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reports." follow the show online, on facebook. you can do it on twitt twitter @mitchell reports. i'm @peter alexander. hallie, you're up next. >> hi, everybody. i'm hally jackson. we are learning the number of victims in one of the worst fires in california history has risen to 36 people with more victims expected. president obama now reacting. >> we are no closer to finding a cause and we absolutely believe the number of fire fatalities will increase. >> california fire officials there. in the world of politics we have new reaction to donald trump announcing his pick of dr. ben carson for hud secretary. >> we are excited to have dr. carson as our intended nominee for housing and urban development. >> no surprise mike pence likes the pick. coming up why some democrats are calling him disturbingly, quote,
unqualified. plus new candidates for secretary of state. and after an attack in washington, new concerns about fake news and its real-life consequences. we have a lot to get to today. we are starting with breaking news. the deadly warehouse fire in oakland, california. we are learning now that 36 people have died and fire officials expect the number to get higher. it is not clear what started the fire, but they can't keep investigating now because the building itself is just not stable enough for responders to head inside. moments ago president obama released a statement about the fire saying, today our prayers go out to the people of oakland in the aftermath of this weekend's deadly warehouse fire, one of the worst fires in the state's history. an american community has been devastated and many people including young men and women with their futures ahead have tragically lost their lives. joining me now is nbc correspondent gadi swartz.
fill us in on what we expect this afternoon. >> right now at this scene, all work, all recovery work has come to a stop. as you mentioned the building is too unstable for emergency crews to enter. just to give you an idea of how hot the fire was burning, when firefighters showed up on the scene they put up aluminum ladders which actually melted. we are told by some of the survivors of the fire that one of them actually jumped out about ten feet from one of the windows and ran down the street. just a block over. there is a fire station. the fire engine was coming over but they got here and it was too late. this building was completely engulfed in flames. right now the district attorney here has put together a criminal investigation team. not to say a criminal investigation is taking place now. they are starting to prep for that. that's not to say that criminal charges have been filed.
but that gives you an indication as to where things are headed. we are hearing a lot of reports from people that lived inside this building that there were things like propane heating systems, electrical skill lets, electrical wires and an exit -- a staircase that may have been blocked because there were so many electrical wires. a lot of questions at the scene. right now the recovery effort has come to a halt. back to you. >> you look at the warehouse and you have to imagine that in oakland in the bay area there are other similar kinds of warehouses where you have young men and women looking to find a place to live, not pay as much money. is there an investigation into the status of the other locations? what are city officials doing to make sure something like this doesn't happen again? >> that's a really good question. the focus seems to be right now here at what happened at this particular warehouse. there are other warehouses throughout oakland. it's got a vibrant art
community. a lot of people live in the warehouses because they can't afford to live in the bay area. this is an area that's seen a lot of gentrification, an increase in rents. the silicon valley is nearby. these artists live in these. some are licensed. some are zoned for habitation. but some of them are not. from what we have heard people in the art community have said this one was, as they described it, sketchy. this was one where they didn't want to live. they say they came to concert venues and didn't feel safe. some are worried there might be a crackdown that could lead to them living on the streets. >> i know you will stay on top of it up there in northern california. appreciate it. now to politics. a lot happening in that universe as well. the latest specifically in president-elect trump's transition to the white house. we have our team of reporters standing by. nbc's anne thompson live outside
trump tower. nbc's janice fryer live in beijing because we are talking about china today. i want to start with you in new york. we have seen very interesting comings and goings in the last hour and a half or so. fill us in. >> it certainly has been an interesting parade of people here. the treasury secretary designate just walked in a few minutes ago. perhaps the most interesting person on the list is former vice president al gore. he went in to trump tower before 11:30. he was set to meet with ivanka trump who is reportedly deciding she wants to make climate change one of her signature issues. as you know, al gore is the nation's leading voice on climate change. gore just left the trump tower minutes ago. on his way out he spoke to reporters and said, he not only meat with ivanka but also with the president-elect donald trump. now i spoke to al gore during
the campaign. i interviewed him back in may. he was very reluctant to criticize donald trump even though donald trump had said he thinks climate change is a chinese hoax. he thought that the u.s. should pull out of the paris agreement. that's the agreement the world reached to reduce greenhouse gases. those are the gases that cause climate change. al gore has always tried to keep a door open to donald trump. in large part because he thinks he can appeal to his business sensibilities and make the case that moving to a clean energy economy is good for business. it's a jobs creator that creates good will around the world and also creates better air. vice president gore just left here a few minutes ago. by far he's the most interesting name on the meeting list today. >> i don't want to walk away from the topic yet. this is all happening in the last maybe seven or eight minutes here that al gore left
trump tower. we heard this morning there were no plans, in fact, for him to meet with president-elect trump. the meeting was only supposed to be with ivanka trump. we are learning he did, in fact, sit down with the president-elect, called it an extremely interesting conversation. and to be continued, according to remarks he made to reporters just moments ago walking out of the building. as you have talked about you are somebody who covered al gore. you have covered him recently, this campaign season. what do you think he means if you can speculate by "to be continued"? >> well, i think it means al gore has just started making his case for continuing what gore would like to see and that's a continuation of the progress of the united states has made on reducing greenhouse gas emissions and also leading the world, compelling the world to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions as well. you remember president obama and china reached a very crucial agreement about a year ago that
both countries, the two largest emitters of greenhouse gases would work to reduce their own greenhouse gases showing the world that if the two biggest emitters could do it, so could the world. so as far as the to be continued part of that conversation, i think for those in the environmental world, that would certainly come as good news. because on the other side, all those things that the president-elect has said regarding climate change hassed made people in the environmental world very, very nervous about what the next four years would look like. >> thank you very much. we are just getting in e-mail now a bit more from the remarks al gore made talking about the meeting with the president-elect calling it a lengthy and very productive session adding that it was a sincere search for areas of common ground. you have heard the transition team talk about the desire to reach out to people who may not see eye to eye with them on
every issue. folks from across the aisle. this appears to be one example of that. peter alexander, we are watching this develop right now. it's not just al gore coming to meet with ivanka trump and apparently president-elect trump as well. some secretary of state contenders are set to come in this week. rex tillerson for example, meeting with him tomorrow. what do we know about the secretary of state search? >> you're right. what's striking is we were reporting as it was communicated to us we were down to the final four. we were in the closing stages. we were all in on rudy giuliani, mitt romney, perhaps david petraeus's name was included in the conversation. there was some pushback about the idea of another general at the upper level of a trump cabinet, a trump administration. now the new names being floated include the name of the former governor as we look at david petraeus and this man, john huntsman, president obama's ambassador to china for a period of time. we spoke to him, one of the reporters today. he laughed off the idea of whether he would be the best
selection for secretary of state. he was one of the people. it's interesting. his inclusion on this list was striking. he was one of the people earlier on who was more willing to embrace the idea of what donald trump was tapping into, the idea of populism, a movement across the country. admiral james devries, we hear that's not likely to be a secretary of state candidate. nonetheless donald trump recognizes more than anything else as indicated by the long list of name the import associated by what he makes of the selection. >> before we got off the air i got off the phone with someone who said they bring the benefits of mitt romney but without the baggage of never having led the trump movement which still bugs some in the inner circle. >> i covered hunts d man for part of the 2012 campaign. >> you know from covering politics. >> he's a widely liked guy.
he's well spoken. he knows the issues. he's a funny guy and you could see a relationship develop with donald trump. >> before we talk more about the president-elect's diplomatic efforts i want to touch on ben carson. he's the pick now for housing and urban development secretary of state. he accepted the offer. an aide told me he came to the decision after thinking about it for a couple of weeks. there is new reaction from democrats and republicans. it's dividing along party lines. >> that's right. as his name was floated in the cabinet talks he had conversations with armstrong williams who told you and me something to the effect of he doesn't have the experience to run a major bureaucracy like this, like any real department which was interesting given the fact that he had just run for president of the united states. let's put up the statements from republicans now. widely praising him. mitch mcconnell saying i'm confident his life long career of selfless service will be a
positive addition to the administration. lindsey graham saying dr. carson is a smart and talented individual. i'm sure he will be an agent of change in a department that could stand some change. you talk about the divide. it exists and there will be partisan divides that's for certain. nancy pelosi expressing the views of democrats saying dr. ben carson is a disconcerting and disturbingly unqualified choice to lead a department as complex and consequential as housing and urban development. saying he lacks the el are vent experience to protect the rights of homeowners and renters specifically low income and minority communities in this country. >> we are likely expecting more cabinet announcements in the next couple of weeks. in the meantime, there is fallout from the call accepted by the president-elect from the taiwanese leader. josh earnest reacted to this issue and to china overall a little bit ago. listen.
>> i think it is hard to determine exactly what the aim was of the president-elect. the vice president-elect and his campaign manager when asked about this over the weekend indicated that these were courtesy calls, that was a courtesy call and the president-elect was returning the call. >> janice, when you listen to the white house press secretary, look at the reaction from the chinese government and chinese people how do you see it playing out and what have you heard where you are? >> reporter: well, china has warned donald trump that he is risking confrontation over this call with taiwan. a front page editorial in the people's daily here which makes all of the major policy announcements for the party said the call could mean -- for u.s.-china relations and for the u.s. itself. there is a sharpening of tone here. initially officials were quick to try to veer it towards the
need to protect stable relations. they haven't always been warm relations. there have been disputes between china and the u.s. over things like currency, trade and the south china sea. donald trump's tweets today over those thorny issues have amplified the sense that the china-bashing rhetoric we heard during the campaign may actually be forming his new china policy. >> janice stayed up all night for us in china. peter alexander here on set and anne thompson, thank you very much for being with us. today that brings us to the microsoft pulse question. do you think president-elect trump's controversial call with taiwan's leader jeopardizes u.s. relations with china? what do you think? a foreign policy bent today. head to pulse. msnbc.com. we wantr thoughts as we have so muchore in the next 50 minutes or so. coming up, a stand off with a gunman at a washington pizzeria sparked by a fake news story about hillary clinton.
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today in charleston, south carolina, a jury is back for a third day of deliberations in the murder trial of michael slager. he's the former police officer who shot and killed walter scott as scott was trying to get away from a traffic stop last april. the jury telling a judge they were basically deadlocked. this happened on friday. the saga continued throughout the weekend. here we are now monday afternoon. joining me from charleston, gabe
gutierrez. we have msnbc's chief legal correspondent ari melber to help break it down. gabe, fill us in on where things stand. friday afternoon it looked like, as you phrased it, we were in the bottom of the 9th headed for a mistrial. where are we now? >> reporter: good afternoon. if it was the bottom of the 9th friday there are definitely extra innings today. we got news this morning. we expected the jury to come back and come into deliberations this morning. they sent several questions to the judge and told the judge unlike what we thought on friday that this was an 11-1 deadlock, according to a note sent to the judge a majority of jurors were still undecided and the defense attorney for michael slager andy savage seized on that and asked the judge for a mistrial but the judge didn't do that. several questions the jury sent to the judge this morning, five questions. here are three of them.
why was voluntary manslaughter offered in addition to murder? that was the first question the jury had. they asked what is meant by imminent danger? and also, is the idea of self-defense apply the same for a police officer as an ordinary citizen? clearly the jury is still dwrapling with -- grappling with many of the issues. we heard on friday that it was hopelessly deadlocked. that there was a lone juror that said to the judge he could not in good conscience convict michael slager. it appears now at least several more -- we don't know exactly where they are falling whether it be murder or manslaughter. a lot of people here at the courthouse wondering how long it could go on. >> do we have an indication? we don't know, right? >> reporter: they are at a recess now. they left the courthouse for a few minutes. they are expected back at 2:00 p.m. we should get an update then. we don't know. >> thanks, gabe. ari, following up on what gabe is reporting here, to a
layperson, i think there might be the person of when a jury is undecided versus when they appear to be deadlocked. that's an important distinction. >> it is. it's a legal distinction. you would expect a jury to come in undecided. they may lean a certain way but don't have a 12-0 unanimous decision. a jury is a group. it is more than the sum of the parts. it is whether that group can, by the end, come to consensus and that must be in the criminal cases unanimous. they obviously have gone back and forth on that. in their own words friday afternoon they said they were basically done. they were deadlocked all according to the foreperson based on one holdout. there is still, of course, much to be learned about what it all means. that's one person's description of the jury. the other point i would make in plain english here is the officer's lawyer here is asking for a mistrial now. again, asking today and having it reject d. that means they are worried
about losing. they are worried about a guilty verdict and asking for a mistrial basically to try to lock in the tie because that's the best they think they can get at this point. strategically they are worried one or more people holding out might change their mind under deliberations or under instruction on the law which they have now gotten and that they will end up losing and get a unanimous guilty verdict. the other big point we learned today is the questions about the murder and manslaughter charge show that the jury is still thinking about both of the charges. murder obviously much more serious. that's the malicious intentional taking of a life. manslaughter is something we would liken more to an accidental or partially justified taking of a life. that's why we see manslaughter convictions in car accidents. those are different charges and the question suggests they are thinking about potentially either of them. >> before i let you go, do you make anything of the fact that it now appears more than one
juror is apparently unable to make a decision versus a couple of days ago when it was just a lone juror? what's your sense? >> it's hard to say. in literature sometimes they talk about the unreliable that ray tor. that just because we are hearing something doesn't means the the truth. we are hearing what those 12 people think from the foreperson who writes notes to the judge who reads excerpts. as a journalist we feel better after the verdict comes down. we try to interview and hear from multiple jurors and put the story together. we are getting bits and pieces. is it possible more than one person is now up in the air in contra distinction to what was written on friday? yes. is it more likely that the 11-1 is roughly where they are because they committed it to paper? i think that's more likely. the other note on friday was from the holdout and the foreperson wrote this person has issued. we want them removed because they disagree. that's not how the system works.
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the celebrations may be short-lived. joining me now from standing rock is msnbc's cal perry. it has been cold. it has been intense over the last 48 hours or so. what's the mood like today and what are protesters bracing for to come? >> reporter: i'll show you. the celebration is over and the weather has moved in. home made shields and gas masks. the vets are marching down to the bridge where the authorities are. they are going to try to take the bridge. john, chat with us. talk us through what we are seeing and what we are likely to see in the last hour. >> we are seeing the worse case scenario. we are here peacefully and we want the outcome to be peacefully. but like them gearing up for the worse worst case scenario we have to as well. any personal protection we are allowed to use. >> reporter: my understanding is the vets are going to put
yourselves between the authorities on the bridge and the native american tribes behind you. >> that's correct. even though we don't have shields our body, our frepresen is shields to protect the elders, the natives. everybody here peacefully. we are just here for a barrier. >> reporter: thank you for your service. hallie, this morning when that statement came out from the energy company, the entire mood changed. it was a celebration yesterday. today people are gearing up for what they are thinking could be a battle. >> cal, put it in perspective. you are talking about a statement from energy transfer partners, one of the owners of the pipeline if built essentially dekraaiing the decision by the army corps of engineers. people would go, wait a second. the army corps is blocking the pipeline. isn't that good? why are the protesters out there and still as you are showing us preparing for a potential confrontation? explain that. >> yeah.
so this energy statement from energy transfer partners came around midnight. it was a political statement. i think we can put it up. they basically said this is doing what the administration does. they called out the administration on a negative anti-energy policy. they said they will continue the construction of the pipeline. they said as far as they are concerned the announcement by the army corps of engineers changed nothing. for the sioux tribe here this is an issue of national sovereignty. i was talking to some of the elders in the tribe. they said, listen, when we go buffalo hunting 57bd kill the buffalo, we float it down the river because it is too heavy to carry. we take it out of the river at the camp. that's the prime example of why you can't have the oil pipeline cross the river. this is their food supply, water supply. that statement by the energy transfer partners hit hard in camp this morning because for so many especially the elders in the tribe this was as they prophesized. they said we have been betrayed by the government for hundreds of years.
we just don't believe what we are hearing from the army corps of engineers and that energy statement from the company reinforced the idea. >> all right. cal perry, thank you very much for the report from standing rock. stay warm. let's see what you are saying today about the microsoft pulse question. do you think president-elect donald trump's controversial call with taiwan's leader jeopardizes u.s.-china relations? most of you say yes. 12% of you say no it doesn't. you have another 90 minutes to weigh in. head to pulse.msnbc.com. up ahead, families in liberated neighborhoods of mosul, iraq, faced with new dangers as they try to get back home. we'll look at the continuing threat from isis even after the terror group left the area.
we now should do everything we can to support the 75th governor of north carolina roy cooper. >> that was north carolina governor pat mccrory conceding the governor's race to challenger roy cooper who was up by more than 10,000 votes. mccrory was looking for a recount. he's now the first sitting north carolina governor to lose a re-election bid, partly because of backlash of the bathroom bill he signed. new details in the trial over the charleston church shooting in which nine people were killed. dylan roof no longer wants to represent himself. in a letter to the judge he requested to bring back his defense team for the guilt phase of the trial. opening statements are set for wednesday. now to italy where the prime minister is expected to resign after voters rejected a constitutional referendum to change up the country's senate. so what does this mean?
put it in perspective. the proposal's loss means more trouble for the european union already struggling to bat back a rise in populism. we have been talking about that on the international front for a while. opposition to the prime minister's democratic party already called for a referendum on italy's use of the euro. in iraq as isis fighters are driven out of mosul's surrounding cities they are leaving behind a hidden and deadly threat. bombs, booby traps and pressure switches are inside homes, under ground and even in place where is kids play. nbc's foreign correspondent lucy cavanaugh joins us now from erbil. tell us about it. >> reporter: you know the use of bombs and explosives is nothing new. governments and militants have been doing it for decades including in iraq. isis really is taking it to an unprecedented level. they had come deered plastics and fertilizer factories to turn
out tens of thousands of bombs. experts who study this say this is completely unprecedented. we were able to visit a village on the outskirts of mosul, one of the most contaminated areas where an ngo called the mines advisory group is working hard to try to make it safe enough for civilians to return. look at how one of the staff members described the scale of the problem. >> how many mines do you think are laid here by isis in these districts? >> there are hundreds and thousands. >> reporter: what we saw in this village was bone-chilling. isis has innovated, created bombs experts had never seen before and they planted them everywhere. they were alongside roads, hidden inside farmlands. there was a children's school that was completely surrounded by a minefield. far more frighteningly the militants left mines inside homes as well.
nbc news obtained footage showing what one looked like. there was a pressure plate on the floor attached to a wire that went to a bigger bomb inside of a refrigerator. there is no military purpose for something like this. that bomb designated for civilians. >> what are ordinary people doing to try to, i don't want to say combat this but to get out alive? >> reporter: they don't have many options. a lot of the folks have been driven out from their homes by isis for more than two years. they have run out of money. they can't afford to pay rent elsewhere. the desperate residents are rushing home only to find booby traps. as iraqi forces push through they are clearing some of the mines enough to make it safe for soldiers to go through. there are no resources to make the areas safe for civilians. time is running out. these folks survived the war. now they have to survive the
peace. >> lucy, thanks. coming up, president-elect donald trump promising to keep his campaign pledge of gutting obamacare, even though it's been successful in states like kentucky. up next, dr. john torres takes us to the glbluegrass state whe some folks aren't thrilled their health insurance might be taken away. for lower back pain sufferers,
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dr. john torres headed to kentucky, a state that voted for donald trump but where a lot of folks who rely on the affordable care act are concerned. right? >> exactly. what i did is basically went to kentucky, went to talk to people on the front line because representative price said he wants to provide better treatment options for doctors and patients by repealing and replacing obamacare. i spoke to both on the front lines who will be affected by the decisions to find out what they think about the issue. they say getting health insurance through obamacare allowed them to afford to quit their day jobs and pursue their dream -- running a small family farm. but with six employees to pay and 14 month old hazel to look after, money is still tight. >> one more big ticket item on the expense column, i think it does pose the risk of sort of making us have to say, hey, we can't keep up with this.
let's leave it behind and go back to working for employers that can provide health care. >> reporter: kentucky signed on for the affordable care act three years ago. the uninsured rate in kentucky was slashed in half, dropping from 20% to 7.5%. over a million people in the state rely on some form of obamacare. >> do you mind if i listen to your heart? okay. >> reporter: in louisville, kentucky's biggest city, dr. barbara casper is on the front lines. she's seen a big change in patients since medicaid was expanded there and a state-run exchange was launched. >> people come to see the doctor. they get colonoscopies and their mammographies and they get blood pressure checked. so it's been a huge help to patients to not just come in for ep sodic care when ill but to try to prevent things. >> reporter: donald trump bowed on the campaign trail to
dismantle obamacare. >> folks, we want to end obamacare. we want to go to a plan that's so much better. >> reporter: his pick for health & human services secretary, georgia congressman tom price, a doctor and fierce opponent of obamacare is a sign changes could be coming. price believes obamacare limits treatment options for doctors and patients. >> i am concerned our patients will go back to the way it was before where they couldn't afford medication. they couldn't get their preventative care. they couldn't get the care they needed. >> reporter: government officials say people enrolled in obamacare will be covered through 2017. what happens beyond that is unknown. >> our ability to stay healthy is essential to our business succeeding. i think that's the same story people are telling all over the country. >> reporter: this was a snapshot into a state about to undergo a big change. the main concern isn't so much the repeal but the replace.
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the concern over fake news in this country just got real. now new questions about intentional propaganda. we are talking about this after a 28-year-old, according to police, filed an assault rifle inside a popular d.c. pizza shop this weekend and the suspect told police he was self-investigating a conspiracy theory that made the rounds online. so-called pizza-gate is a false
claim that the restaurant housed a child sex trafficking ring organized by hillary clinton and her campaign chief. msnbc's jacob soboroff joins us with more. you were already cavanau that are 100% false being spread throughout the country. it is not just this one. i know you were out there this morning, i was watching "morning joe" and i saw you were standing outside. we were supposed to be out there tonight before all of this happening.
>> here is a little bit about how bad this problem is. the 19 most shared fake news articles were shared more than the 20 most shared news articles than the legitimate organizations running up to the election including our own, nbc news. today, james alafontes, shared some thoughts. >> what happened today demonstrates false and -- i hope will take a moment to contemplate what happens here today. >> when he talks about consequence is one thing bad enough to talk about bullying and harassment based on fake news. the impact of public safety and the election of the president and the united states, it is entirely different story.
>> jacob soboroff out in los angeles for us. setting us up nicely for today's daily debate. we are looking at the impact of fake news and how it could affect the elections going forward. our adam goodman and so gentlemen, fake news, should it be censored? adam, we'll start with you? >> i don't think anyone likes the reality of fake news. what we should be concerned about are some of the prosed remedies. president obama just talked abo about curators and appointed in the same of the rolling stone as a beacon of impeachable credentia
credentials. so concerns of the remedies is number one. what is really going on here, halie, we are seeing traditional media and conventional media under the gun. parking lot of this as a political -- we saw a lot of that over the last twelve month in the presidential campaign. >> there are echo chambers that are being created on the right it is feeding information to people that are no different than extremist groups popping in information that what isis did to extremist groups and they are leading to violent behavior, we cannot allow this anymore. you tell people there are a threat and people need to go out and do something about it. this is no difference. we have taken information and here is the danger and you should get involved and do
something. now somebody actually done it. this is not the first time we have seen this type of behavior, we have seen it many different tim times. fake news is no longer just about election results but jeopardize americans everywhere. >> how much of an impact you think fake news had on the outcome of the election we just had in november? >> minimal, halie, can i get back to the last comment about this is all coming from the right. this is not about just the right or left. you can talk about what's happening on social media of the campaigns of the protests at trump rallies were orchestrated by the left. it is getting news and information when they want it. i think one of the biggest issues we all have is where we get it from and who do we trust. i this i the default has to be the american people, that's
where we come down. in terms of the campaign itself, what drove that campaign was not misinformation. it was an abundance of information where i think both candidates ended up trusting the american people to make the right call. >> halie, the misinformation come fs from the right. you cannot argue that the right bark is the source of information and under scores the trump information and trump campaign got us energy from. there is a reason why stephen bannon is sitting in the white house as a chief strategist and the reason for it is that he's been able to take on the right and permeate this misinformation campaign to this day and we cannot allow this anymore because this is destroying our democracy. >> adam, last word to you. >> last word, i think what we don't want is a whole monitor, blocking or guiding access and
news and information, i think we need more access than ever before. it is a brand new world and i trust people are going to make the right decisions given the information they can drill their hands around and use. >> adam goodman. >> i think we need to do something. >> all right, the daily debate continues, we'll continue this debate as well online and the coming days, thank you very much for being with us. we got a lot more ahead on msnbc including a few minutes here. activists in north dakota, we were just live with hold a news conference to talk about the army's decision to block the dakota pipeline, we are following the latest from out west. stay with us. american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next.
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