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service members at mcdill air force base in tampa, florida. he'll round out the afternoon with a broader speak about his administration's approach to counterterrorism. it will be somewhat of a final farewell and look back. this is his last planned address on foreign affairs. later, the arrest in the shooting of ex-energy player mcknight. ronald gasser is under arrest as the sheriff provides more minute-by-minute detail of what happened last week. now we're hearing from the owner of the ghost ship, providing a new perspective on the inferno that killed 36 people. we start this hour at trump tower. last hour trump appeared alongside one of the richest men from japan. kristen welker is out there for us. explain what that was all about. kind of a surprise. >> reporter: it was a surprise. it was a surprise that he came
downstairs twice today after his meetings. that second time, that's when he talked about the fact that this company, this very wealthy japanese businessman is going to invest in the u.s. let me read you the tweets and then let's play the sound from the president-elect. he first tweeted out, masa softbank of japan has agreed to invest $50 billion in u.s. toward businesses and 50,000 jobs. in a second tweet he said, masa said he would never do this had we, trump, not won the election. take a listen to what he had to say to reporters. >> one of the truly great men. thank you. >> thank you, thank you. >> reporter: and apparently we don't have that sound. bottom line, he reiterated what i just read in those tweets. this is basically donald trump trying to put the art of the deal into practice and to show that he is going to be a
president-elect who governs like a business leader as well. of course, we saw that last week when he struck that deal with carrier corporation, convinced that company to keep 1,000 jobs here in the u.s. and indiana instead of sending them overseas to mexico. of course, there is still about 1,000 more jobs still going to go to mexico. bottom line, this is trump trying to taut tout the fact he businessman and going to take a different approach to governing. as this comes amid holding ohio level meetings trying to decide who is going to be his secretary of state. >> another talk about boeing, starting with a tweet from president-elect saying boeing is building a brand-new 747 air force one for future presidents but costs are out of control. more than $4 billion, he wrote. cancel order. then he spoke about that tweet with reporters a short time later. >> the plane is totally out of control. it's going to be over $4
billion. it's for air force one program. and i think it's ridiculous. i think boeing is doing a little bit of a number. we want boeing to make a lot of money but not that much money. >> so, explain this whole thing to us. it comes, again, out of the blue, a surprise tweet this morning. >> reporter: it does, kate. and it seems like this is sort of the opening bid in a bargaining session from president-elect trump, that he's trying to draw down that price of $4 billion. boeing responding, saying we're currently under contract for $170 million to help determine the capability of complex aircraft that serves the unique requirement of the perfect united states. we look forward to working with the united states air force on subsequent phases of the program, allowing us to deliver the best planes for the president and the best value for the american taxpayer. now, the reason why you are seeing this deal in play is because these aircraft can only
last for about 30 years. right now the two air force one aircrafts that exist are about 20 years old. today press secretary josh earnest saying, this is something important for the safety and skirt of the president of the united states, the future presidents because, of course, ultimately these aircrafts will come into operation after president obama leaves office. he said, it's also important for the american people. but, again, president-elect donald trump seemingly wanting to lower that price with boeing, delivering what seems to be an opening bid. we'll have to see what his next move will be. transition officials didn't know exactly what steps he'll take next. that's the big question here at trump tower. >> thanks so much. vice president joe biden may not be done with washington just yet. last night biden brought up his plans for 2020 and then today he joked about it with reporters. >> vice president, are we right to take you seriously about
2020? >> i'm announcing right now. >> so, that was the vice president just a while ago on capitol hill joking that he's going to make his announcement that he'll run in 2020 for president. this is all because of what he said last night where he seemed to indicate that maybe he would run in 2020. yell o'donnell joins me live from capitol hill. she was in that crowd. you heard her voice yelling out at the vice president. is he really serious, kelly, about 2020? and fill us in on what he's doing on capitol hill today. >> reporter: what struck us was a small group was with the vice president after he came off the senate floor last presiding. we were talking to him about the end of his vice presidency and someone asked, are you going to run again? we thought that met for senator in dell. he said, i'm running again. we said, what office? he said, for president. a couple went back to him and said, that's news.
we will be reporting that. he said, that's okay. then he wanted to keep that door open. today on reflection he continued to stoke the speculation without giving us anything too specific. i asked him, are we right to take you seriously? he said, i'm going to announce. i'm going to announce in there. he knows what this does. he's been in public life for more than 40 years. he's been a candidate for office, run for president. he said publicly he regrets every day that he did not run in 2016, but chose not to after the death of his son. the family needed more time. so, is the door open now? a couple of things. i think he wants to remain a vital part of the democratic party even after january 20th. wants to be a voice for them. . in talking with lawmakers who were in the room with him, that he talked about not getting off the public stage, not going away. what would it look like? he also told us he does not make decisions about running this far out and that he also said that he wants to help the democratic
party win back the senate and help the party. a number of different messages today. again, at every turn he could have stopped and said, my time in public life is over. i'm not running again. others have done that in the past. but not joe biden. he knew we gave him the opportunity again and again. and he is letting that speculation kind of flow out there. now, when president barack obama leaves office, typically you don't see a former president engaged in day-to-day politics but can you with a former vice president and maybe that's what he has in mind today. he's meeting with house democrats. it's part of the farewell tour for this congress leaving next week and certainly for the vice president who will be leaving office in just about 44 days. kate? >> kelly, he's got us guessing, that's for sure. kelly o'donnell on capitol hill. thanks so much. this hour president obama is at mcdill air force base in florida where he met with active duty service members and he's about to deliver a thank-you message to them. he's giving a speech next hour
that will be a look back on eight years of international affairs and counterterrorism. hans nichols is in tampa for us this afternoon. give us a preview. a lot to cover for the president. what are his main points, do we expect? >> reporter: well, kate, if there's one thing we know about president obama is that he believes in the power of words, the power of his own speeches to set policy. this will be an attempt to codify, to bottle the obama doctrine on counterterrorism. yes, there will be a thank you for the troops but look for three main troops. number one, the importance of partnering with local forces. all throughout these most recent campaigns in mosul and raqqah, administration officials at white house and pentagon have been at pains to say that the iraqi and syrian forces are leading. number two, aggressive special forces operations. this is a president who has not hesitated to pull the trigger, to take some risky shots. yes, we all know al qaeda is dead and bin laden is dead and general motors is alive but
that's been internalized at the white house. the third and perhaps most trick qua for the president is an articulation of american values. this will include potentially some talk on torture, the restrictions against waterboarding. that, kate, is really the challenge for the president here today because he's going to try to channel and convince donald trump to follow some of his practices while also making it clear there are clear breaks in policy. it's going to be a delicate task. we'll see whether or not the president can thread it here. remember, we're at mcdill, the head of centcom and head of special operations command. i've been looking throughout this crowd, looking to see special operators. don't see anyone. normally they've got bushy beards. >> that is a good tip. i was going to ask who's in the room there because he's doing several things. i was looking at his schedule. he's sort of touring and talking to people and then he's going to come to that podium behind you. >> reporter: yeah, this will be part rally and part thank you and part articulation of obama policy. but there will be some shotouts.
remember, 2014 he was at mcdill, this very air force base, and 2014 he vowed there would be no combat troops in iraq. this is before really the fight against isis really accelerated. we're in the middle of the campaign, and mosul and raqqah and syria. we look at some of the deaths, at least this year in iraq, i believe there have been 16 u.s. service members killed in iraq. not all of those have been during the mosul campaign. in terms of troop numbers, he's leaving behind more troops in afghanistan. just earlier this summer that he had vowed to do. these are all challenges. these are all problems handed off to the next president. one final note for you, kate, the former commander here, james mattis, tipped to be donald trump's secretary of defense. >> interesting trivia there. one last question. gone t guantanamo bay, another promise from president obama. he said he would close the place down. will we hear him talk about that? >> reporter: he'll likely talk about values and may get into
the aspirational aspects of whether or not they can actually close it. remember just over the weekend, they released one more detainee. they're down to 59 detainees here. this are some of the most difficult ones to find. finding them transfers and, of course, congress has vowed to block any funding for transfers from united states. that turns it into a diplomatic scramble to find countries abroad that will take sometimes, still as the white house acknowledges, very dangerous terrorists. >> hans nichols in tampa with the president. appreciate it. up next, the man accused of fatally shooting a former nfl player, arrested and charged with manslaughter. today, five days after the shooting happened. what took so long? we'll go to oakland, california, where we're hearing from the manager of what was known as ghost ship warehouse employing up in flames, killing 36 people. a fire officials say was preventable. american express on help you take on a new job,
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for those who have criticized the men and women of this organization, and the strategy, decisions that we made relative to that, tough. i don't care. i'm sure you see the emotion in me, because it's not fair. it's not fair for him to be called you [ bleep ]. we saw you sell out to them you [ bleep ]. punk. that's the tone of what we're calling our elected leaders for standing up and simply saying, let justice prevail. >> that was jefferson parish, louisiana, sheriff newell normand, visibly angry at a press conference this morning,
after the shooting death of mcknight. he also says the suspect ronald gasser has been arrested and jailed on manslaughter charges. blake mccoy joins us. blake, it was quite a press conference. the sheriff didn't lead with what we would consider the news of the day, the chargings of the suspect with what the sheriff described as a dramatic road rage incident. what did we learn? >> reporter: he was very defensive, lashing out at members of the community who criticized that decision not to file charges after the shooting last week and to wait and give this investigation more time. he was very clear and said, you know what, sometimes justice takes time. we live in this society now where we want justice right now. he says, sometimes these investigations take a little time. since then, the reason we're seeing charges now, he says they've been able to interview 160 witnesses. most of theme people didn't
stick around after the shooting. they had to use a license plate reader to track these people down and figure out exactly what happened. they contacted 70 businesses to see if they had surveillance video that caught any of this road rage. none of the surveillance video captured the actual shooting. they also recreated the scene multiple times. he said that's why this took time. that's why they couldn't just file charges last week. what we understand about what happened is apparently mr. mcknight cut off mr. glasser on a bridge. about four miles of road rage took place after that with them swerving, chasing each other. it was at an intersection they came to a stop, mr. glasser became boxed in by cars. mr. mcknight pulled up next to him and got out of his vehicle, approached mr. glasser's car, was apparently yelling at him through the car windshield. we don't know exactly what happened at this point to cause mr. glasser to pull out his gun, but mr. gasser fired three times killing mr. mcknight in that intersection. that's what we know right now about what took place.
and manslaughter charges have been filed today. mr. gasser is in jail on $500,000 bond. kate? >> blake mccoy, thank you. we're following the latest developments on the deadly warehouse fire in oakland, california. at least 36 people were killed as authorities continue to search that building. derick almena defended himself on the "today" show. here's a part of that interview. he was asked about a resident who said he knew it was dangerous and profited from it. here's his response. >> profit? this is not profit. this is loss. this is is a mass grave. i'm only here to say one thing, that i'm incredibly sorry. i'm a proud man. no, i'm not going to answer these questions -- >> are you worried that you -- >> i would rather get on the floor and be trampled by the parents. i'd rather let them tear at my flesh than answer these ridiculous questions. >> that tense interview with matt lauer and tamron hall.
steve patterson joins us from oakland. steve, what is the latest in the investigation and whether they think they might even recover anymore bodies? >> reporter: yeah, kate, first thing's first. this is the first time that overnight the death toll did not increase. so, it's staying steady at this point at 36 victims. 26 families have been notified about their loved ones who died inside that fire. there were ten positive identifications that were made overnight, pending next of kin. they're 85% now through that warehouse. so, the hope is, with just a few pockets left to go, that the death toll will not rise any further than it already is. which now means we can start turning to the investigative phase, which is now fully under way. the atf working in concert with investigators from the da's office, trying to find out if there's any criminal activity. if there is, who is to blame. corresponding with that, there's a lot of focus, a lot of
attention on mr. almeda. this is the guy that was leasing from the owners, would cover the costs by accepting rent from the tenants who were in the building. also hosting events in that space. both of those activities he did not have a permit for, so, of course, they're going to focus on him as part of this investigation. we just spoke to a few tenants. i spoke to a tenant myself who is a survivor in that fire. says that mr. almeda was not a bad person. he was someone that accepted him and let him stay there in a situation in which he needed a place to stay. listen to this. >> i came here out of need, you know, and he -- out of all the places i tried to find, you know, he was the only place that took me. and it didn't matter that i had dogs. it didn't matter that i had all of my art supplies that, you know. it was like, great, you know, bring it.
and there was not a pressure for anything. he didn't tell me, oh, do this. he would ask me, oh, can you help me do this? i would gladly do it if i had the time. he knew that. >> reporter: by the way, jose in that interview barely escaped that fire. he was locked in his loft space in that first floor. had to kick the door open in order to escape, guiding somebody out. doesn't know if the person he was helping guide out even made it out of the fire. he calls almeda not just a manager but a friend. now you hear both sides of the story as investigators do their work to determine whether or not there was criminal activity. that work will continue on the scene here. kate? >> steve patterson in oakland. thanks so much. the question that keeps coming up during this investigation is a pretty simple one -- how could this have happened? how could so many people be living together and hosting parties in a building that, frankly, wasn't zoned to be
residential? joining me now is erik johnson. he's executive director for the oakland housing authority, which provides subsidized housing to nearly 16,500 families out in oakland. mr. johnson, appreciate you being here. >> thanks for having me, kate. >> just to be clear, for our viewers, it is not your job to oversee all housing in oakland so you would not have had oversight over this warehouse. but our reporters have heard it was an open secret that this place existed. they knew it as the ghost ship. did you know about it? >> we didn't. we had absolutely no contact with this property whatsoever. really didn't know about it. it isn't the kind of property that we would get involved in or that we would even provide assistance for in terms of the living. and if we were, what happens in our programs is we send out an inspector that does a housing quality standard inspection for all the units assisted through h.u.d. funding and we're primarily funded through h.u.d. in the section 8 program. so, we would not have passed it. we had no knowledge of it and
the living situation there and the overcrowding and the illegal -- allegedly illegal conversions. it will be interesting to watch that as it comes out. and our district attorney is going to do a thorough investigation. it will be revealing. >> well, here's the thing i think people outside of the bay area maybe don't understand. i was looking up some figures. the average rent for a one-bedroom apartment in oakland is just under $3,000 a month. "usa today" says the bay area gained 500,000 jobs in the last six years. that's the tech boom. and only added a little under 56,000 housing units. so, that's a gap of almost, what, 150,000 people who are looking for places to live. and you must deal with that every day. you have a housing shortage. >> you just nailed the biggest problem with this region. i'm going to tell you something. we just had an election and we had an election where they talked about a lot of issues. enterprise community partners
did a survey where they asked what are the top tier issues. 59%, 6 out of every 10 americans, said affordable housing was a top-tier issue. that's right up there with immigration and tax reform. if you go to the age of the people who were at this party and living in that unit, in that warehouse, 18 to 34, everyone in this country is being impacted by affordable housing but particularly in larger cities. oakland has been in the forefront in a bad way in terms of two years of rent increases. we were in the past the affordable neighborhood in the bay area. in the past some reports of rent increase up to 75% in 18 to 24 months. >> wow. >> to keep pace with that -- i've never seen that. i've been doing affordable housing since the '80s. i've never seen such a rapid rise. it gets back to the issue of the same time that large employers can expand their housing campuses in the bay area. some of the most profitable companies in the world are
located within commute distance. >> my clear, miguel alma gar on the "today" show talked with the man who managed the warehouse and his partner. i want to play another clip of that interview. >> you say the building wasn't up to code, but did you then make modifications to the building that maybe shouldn't have been done? >> this is -- this is where mike is -- >> i got that. we can't talk about that. you can't say that kind of stuff right now. >> his partner wanted to stop our interview, but almeda wanted to go on. >> did we modify? that's the question he. did we make changes, like, i would like to say we made improvements. >> allison says the family did the best they could. >> we didn't have enough money to do the things that needed to be done there. and there was nobody helping us in the ways that we needed. >> so, this place was cited for multiple violations of codes.
what needs to happen to make housing safe for the people in your city? inspect them.eed to, one, secondly, when we do inspect them and find ehs, emergency health or safety issues we abate it within 24 hours. that's the way we operate with housing we inspect in the private marketplace and units we own and manage. the question we have here is, who's responsible for this warehouse and was it reported? i think that when you finish the investigation here we're going to learn who knew about it, who didn't take action. >> so, do you have an answer to that right now? that's what a lot of families -- 36 families want an answer. >> yeah. and i think that building and safety departments in the city should be contacted, do the inspection and enforcement. >> erik johnson, executive director of the oakland housing authority. great to have your perspective. thanks. up next, clash on capitol hill. house republican leaders, including speaker paul ryan, signal they will not support trump's threat to heavily tax companies that take their jobs
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different terms to describe what they want to do to try and keep american jobs here in the united states instead of having them go overseas. house speaker paul ryan was pressed on this earli today. take a look at how he framed it. >> we think the real solution is across the board tax reform. i think tax reform is the answer to that problem. >> it would be a real surprise to see some republicans actually come out and vote to put u.s. tariffs on companies that could be viewed as a tax on american consumers. another brewing issue, how to handle repeal and replacement of obamacare. mitch mcconnell telling reporters today it's going to be the first thing out of the gate for the senate when they come back in the new congress convenes in january. but it's not clear they would have any democratic votes that they would need to replace it. that could cause a problem for those 20 million people who rely on the president's health care law for insurance. can kate? >> kasie hunt at the capitol. after the break, donald trump takes his victory tour to
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in just a few hours president-elect trump will make another stop on his post-election thank-you tour. tonight he'll be in fayetteville, north carolina. the trump/pence ticket won that state, by the way, by about four points in november. my colleague chris jansing joins me from fayetteville. what are republicans in north carolina expecting to hear tonight? >> reporter: all about the military. this is a town that's all about the military. ft. bragg, 53,000-plus, the largest base in the world. a pretty big deal here because general mattis, who is the nominee for defense secretary, is going to be here with the president-elect and vice president-elect. and with me here now if anyway
yetvil fayetteville, head of the republican committee, dallas woodhouse. good to see you. not a huge crowd but quite a few people turning out here. what do you think they need to hear from the president-elect right now? >> i just think they're excited to see our president-elect. i think he's gotten off to a great start. north carolina has done well with things like school choice and the president-elect has nominated a fabulous education secretary. as you said, we'll have a great defense secretary. so, these people are just excited. we had a great political season here in north carolina for republicans. we now -- >> reporter: but you didn't win the governorship. >> no, we lost. >> reporter: but what are the chances the governor ends up in a trump administration? >> you know, they're talking tomorrow. >> reporter: give us some inside information. we know you've got it. >> i don't know anything. i'll tell you this, the governor did great things with tax reform in north carolina. we did one of the most aggressive tax reform packages that could turn our economy around. he could help mr. trump with
that. because we've had so many natural disasters, he would be excellent in fema, homeland security, energy. he has an extensive energy background. >> reporter: what are you hearing, fema? >> i don't have any inside information. i'm a believer in pat mccoy. congratulations to governor-elect cooper. >> reporter: this is the third time donald trump has come here. twice, obviously, during the campaign and now here today. the first time famously there were about a dozen people who were ejected. someone who sucker-punched a protester. >> those were rabble-rousers. >> reporter: i will tell you that today a couple times people were shouting, lock her up. should that be put behind? what we saw from the president-elect in his first stop in this tour in ohio is it sounded like a campaign stop. should this be more, for lack of
a better term, presidential, more for the military? >> that's for the president-elect. he won and he gets to hold his event. these people here, i don't think they're looking to hear anything. they've been inspired by this race and i think they've already seen the change that was promised in the campaign with solid appointments, with a direct -- we're going to put america first, keep carrier here, we're going to fight. one of the thing trump really resonated on was the idea we're not winning. that resonates in a military town, are we going to take the fight to the enemy? are the enemy the people that steal our jobs or hurt us from overseas? we want strong, tough leaders. we'll have that in president trump. >> reporter: good to see you again. >> sorry the weather is bad. come back when it's sunny. the grill down here, great steak, fries. >> reporter: great promoter of fayetteville where he used to be a tv reporter. by the way, kate, maybe i'll get
better weather going on to iowa and michigan, as donald trump continues this tour this week. >> chris jansing, let's hope for that. appreciate you're reporting. appreciate the interview. very interesting. as chris mentioned at tonight's event in fayetteville, trump is to formally announce general james mattis. joining me is kevin barron, msnbc national security analyst, executive editor of defense one. let's talk about general mattis. you and i saw each other, you were taking a tour here the other day with your kids. we were talking a little about him. how much are he and trump going to be able to shake up and reshape the pentagon? >> reporter: so, you know, the rhetoric about general mattis has come around and centered a little bit where people are looking more closely at his record. just yesterday at defense one we ran a piece by derek shalay, the top guy at pentagon for -- the right-hand man to the secretary of defense. he gave his experience of here's what the pentagon people think
of general mattis. in short they thought, this is kind of an obama guy in the sense that, you know, this is a general who worked with the presidential administration he was tasked to work with. he knows the value of diplomacy. he's an expert in the middle east. centcom commander, a warrior diplomat that knows the region. don't expect to see huge swings of policy from this guy. it depends on what trump you believe. what do you think is coming. if you think it's the trump who campaigns saying, we need to go after isis immediately, we need to ratchet up the war, i want a 30-day plan. i don't know that general mattis is going to be giving some sort of massive increase to that campaign. that would surprise everybody. if it's the trump we're seeing post-election surrounding himself with, frankly, very establishment people, very insider people, you'll get, as derek was saying, not that much of a difference. an extension of the war until something new comes along in the first year. but really, you know, this is a
guy who has fought in iraq, who has known the region for years, he knows the complexities of the middle east, he knows the pentagon's plan of action right now, using local fighters to fight, keeping america out of entanglements beyond what's necessary. i think we'll see incremental things from him instead of massive change within the pentagon. >> it's interesting. you were also saying he's got this mad dog label attached to him because trump keeps calling him that. that's not really the name they use around the pentagon. >> mattis has two nicknames. more publicly and recently he's known for mad dog, mainly for a lot of reasons, one of which is for his very colorful statements he's made as commander over the years. but way back when he was known as chaos. that's his call sign. only recently, as will come up, chaos for a while people thought, same reason, he's a tough guy. chaos is just a happy acronym from his staffers who said, the colonel has another outstanding suggestion with a wink and a nod, like, here comes the colonel. it was a tongue-in-cheek thing.
i know mattis a little bit. i know him more than some, less than others as a reporter i've kept in touch with him in the last year and the recent month. i think he's going to be a guy who knows the press well, knows washington well, knows how much he has to communicate what's going on. the idea of any off-the-rails mad dog is not true. this is a guy who is welcomed into washington salons even when he disagrees with everything washington is doing. he has that kind of respect. >> quickly, guantanamo, hans nichols mentioned at the top of the hour that may come up in president obama's speech next hour. as we know, president obama campaigned on, i'm going to close it down, it's shrunk and trump credit sidesed that decision and called for bringing back waterboarding on the campaign trail. so, what happens to guantanamo bay? >> it's not shut down. not going to shut down. the obama team blew it when they let congress pass a bill and
congress signed it preventing the transfer of those detainees to the united states. but i think, honestly, it's a little bit of a shiny rabbit off to the corner. how much america needs guantanamo versus just needs other ways to detain anyone from the war on terrorism, if they want to pick them up rather than have local forces. guantanamo was a product of the war in iraq. when there were 150,000 troops there, ten years, carrying on a large conflict. that's not what's happening now. this is a small conflict, bit by bit. so, i think you will hear this in the speech to come, a lot more about law and order and surveillance and guantanamo. hopefully you'll hear more about the special operators there who are doing the job and will keep doing the job when trump comes to office of killing, fighting and putting themselves on the line in the middle east. >> kevin barron, msnbc national security military analyst. thanks for being with us. >> good to see you. up next, speaking of the military. we're waiting for remarks from president obama. in a few minutes he's expected
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>> well, president bush gave his speech at ft. campbell. that was appropriate because president bush was the big army president. he famously deployed well over 100,000 troops to iraq and afghanistan. conversely, it's very appropriate that president obama is at mcdill, the home of special operations command because he's the special operations president. his most notable success, of course, was the bin laden raid. he's very happy with how that went. he's very happy that's part of his legacy. so, because he has so many fewer troops deployed, only 15,000, as he'll say in the speech, rather than the 180,000 that were deployed when he took office, he's had to rely more and more on these special operators. >> as we mentioned, you worked on the issues in iraq. i mean, that was sort of your focus under both presidents bush and obama. what do you think happens now in this transition to donald trump, president-elect trump in iraq specifically? >> well, in iraq specifically, we still expect the war in iraq to mostly be wrapped up by the time inauguration.
perhaps, the fight in mosul will drag into february or march, but for the most part, we expect the iraq battle to be finished against isil. now, of course, there's politics to follow in iraq and still a military fight in syria. but in iraq, we should have most of the military piece wrapped up. >> douglas, senior national security fellow at new america foundation. nice to have you with us. thanks so much. >> thank you, kate. up next, an exclusive interview with the creator of one of the most widely shared fake news stories this election season. it was a made-up story about a murder/suicide involving an fbi agent and the clinton e-mail leaks. stay with us for that. world ugly and messy. they are the natural born enemy of the way things are. yes, ideas are scary, and messy and fragile. but under the proper care,
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behind me. this is clearly not abc news, but it's such a good mock-up, it looks real, and the debate continues over how much impact these stories have on the outcome of the 2016 election. jacob soboroff sat down with the creator of a widely shared, fake news story in the lead-up to election day. jacob, tell us about it. >> so justin core is a 40-year-old man who lives in huntington beach, california. lives with his wives and kids and he created one of the most widely shared news stories, it was a murder suicide, with connection to the hillary clinton campaign. it was one of the most shared stories of all stories, fake or real, in the run-up to the election. what's behind this, how does he create this, how much money does he make? i went to his house to find out. take a look.
so here's national report, it looks like the website of my former employer, the huffington post. >> that was intentional. >> what was the most controversial, biggest story for you guys? >> we did a series of stories on ebola. probably got about six million page views. >> that's huge. you must get a kick out of that. >> it's very addictive. >> so you feel like you've stopped cold turkey? >> yeah, i do. i'm good with that. i think it's kinda disappointing that it took prdonald trump to focus on this -- >> you seemed disappointed. did you vote? >> yes. >> who did you vote for? >> hillary. >> read that one. >> the motive behind the killing is still being investigated, but police say brown was a high le respected agent with the fbi and
very well liked in the community. >> is any of that true? >> not a single thing. totally fiction. >> three days before the election, half a million people saw this post. two days after the election, over half a million people read an article about an fbi agent that killed his wife and himself because of pressure from the clintons. how much money did this post make you? >> around $8,000. most of that, again, goes to the writer. >> 8,000 bucks in your mind, is it worth it, if 1.6 million people saw this, believe hillary clinton was involved in the murder-suicide agent of the fbi. >> this is one that i would probably take back. and even to add to that, google close said all the accounts that were running on the site, so even that money is gone. >> do you feel like the work you did affected the results of the election in any way? >> i do not.
i'm glad you're here now talking about it, but you should have been talking about it years ago. >> he tells me he's officially sworn off fake news, didn't want to get back into the fake news game, but he couldn't help himself. too little too late in the eyes of a lot of people out there. >> wow, that was fascinating. jacob, thanks so much. we'll be right back. card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing. and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... which adds fuel to my bottom line. what's in your wallet?
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special operations command, to thank them for their extraordinary service. and so to you and your families and to the extended family of american service members, let me say that our nation owes you an unbelievable debt of gratitude. we are grateful for you and we will be praying for you over the holidays. so -- [ applause ] >> as you know all too well, your mission and the course of history was changed after the 9/11 attacks. by the time i took office, the united states had been at war for seven years. for eight years that i've been
in office, there has not been a day when a terrorist organization or some radicalized individual was not plotting to kill americans. and on january 20th, i will become the first president of the united states to serve two full terms during a time of war. [ applause ] now we did not choose this fight, but once it came to us, the world saw the measure of our resolve. the most solemn responsibility for any president is keeping the american people safe. in carrying out that duty, i have sent men and women into harm's way. i've visited troops around the
globe. i have met our wounded warriors. and i've grieved with gold star families. i know better than most that it is because of your service and your sacrifice that we have been able during these eight years, to protect our homeland, to strike crippling blows against terrorist networks, and fortify our friends and our allies. and so today i'd like to reflect on that work and talk about the foundation that we will leave for the next administration. i came to this office with a set of core convictions that have guided me as commander in chief. and i believe that the united states military can achieve any mission, that we are and must remain the strongest fighting