again. he is 74 years old and making it clear in his public comments he has no interest in fading into the sunset yet. that will do it for this hour. mtp daily starts right now. >> if it's wednesday, donald trump pushes the envelope of hour. how far can he go? >> how donald trump is testing the limits of his new powers. plus, surprise selections. >> i know more about isis than the generals do, believe me. >> first flynn, then mattis and trump adds a third general. remembering the attack on pearl harbor. 75 years ago today. >> december 7, 1941, a date that will live in infamy. >> the deadly day that pushed
america into world war ii and on top of the leadership of the world. this is mtp daily and it starts right now. good evening and welcome to mtp daily in washington. we have a lot of politics and we will goet to that in a minute. this is the uss arizona memorial at pleasurepleasure -- pleasure hawaii. half of these men were on board uss arizona. this is the final resting place for the sailors and marines who made the ultimate sacrifice for our country. if you haven't been there, it's an eerie sight. perhaps the only living war memorial. you see the oil rise as the battle ship rests at the bottom
and the oil leak up top makes it feel as if you see the arizona still alive today. ceremonies are taking place in hawaii and here in washington and across the country to honor the men and women. tom brocaw coined these folks the greatest generation. >> to america's world war ii patriots here and watching at home, we will never forget your courage under considerable fire and seemingly insurmountable odds. >> we remember your lost sh shipmat shipmates. we salute your sacrifice and that of your families.
>> december 7, 1941 is one of the dates on which history swing on its great hinge and the world was forever changed. >> if you have a family member who is a member of this generation, cherish this time and day with them today. >> we will have more on those throughout the show. including and in case you missed it, we would like you won't want to miss it as well. let's go back to politics. rump is testing the limits of his newfound power. he pushed the envelope with big corporations and foreign power houses and members of his party and his own base. you know trump is paying attention to the reactions to his tests because he does seem to be testing for soft spots. think of that bayonet holder
poking to see where there is softness. it's as if he said what happens if i tweet this about boeing or that about china or publicly reject u.s. intelligence about russian hacking. how will paul ryan react if i threaten tariffs? is my base going to care if i embrace obama or romney? how about an oil ceo or a wrestling magnet. it may establish the boundaries for everyone they do. how he runs the cabinet and battles china and handles the press and steers the base or it steers him and how he reacts when things don't go his way. my colleague is fond about saying trump has some of the best ears in politics. he is listening when for instance, chine's state media threatens over his tweets. he named a good friend of the
chinese government as his ambassador to china. a good cop, bad cop. you can bet he is listening when the criticism is revenge for something the ceo said. trump said it isn't. "the washington post" is reporting he is taking more shots today while talking to donors. you can bet he is listening when paul ryan rejected the idea of a tax war with companies that lead the united states. the big question is when trump pushes the envelope, who or how do others push back. we have brad todd from moveon.org and senior politics. it is interesting to watch him on these things. i could have thrown the press in there. others are trying to let him establish boundaries to a pound.
>> two things are true. when he is tweeting about boeing or good companies, he is trying to see who is in charge and a power play. you are good to me, i will be good to you. the other characteristic is the uncertainty factor. that benefits him during the campaign where at least on policy it was hard to keep track of where was he or what was he doing? even on climate change on the one hand, you had al gore going to trump tower and his pick to head the epa. those are the two constants of power and uncertainty. >> the whiplash for obama has to be interesting. what president-elect said about president obama and that will be followed boy a mash up of how he campaigned against obama. take a listen. >> i have gotten to know president obama. i really like him. we have a really good chemistry
together. we talk. he loves the country. he wants to do right by the country. for the country. i must tell you, i never met him before this and i never spoke to him before this. i really do like him. i love getting his ideas. >> barack obama has been the worst president ever. >> some people say that was not his birth certificate. i say i don't know. you don't know either. you are a smart guy. you don't know either. >> can you imagine being comfortable if a muslim became president if the united states. >> some people said it already happened. you couldn't agree with that. >> do you think it's appropriate to call the sitting president of the united states the founder of a terrorist organization? >> he was the founder of isis, absolutely. >> the whiplash on obama. >> indeed. it goes to donald trump being a showman. a competitor.
that's how he saw this last year. for me and people like me who saw him as attacking obama and disqualifying him by saying you are saying that our first -- >> now he respects him. >> now he respects him, but i believe it's the competitor inside of him. it is him saying hey, that didn't matter. we are all good now. i actually like you. >> one thing that you are saying, ends justify the means. that's the best way to describe it. he is an ends justifies the means kind of guy on a slew of issues. >> he is. i said on this show. >> do you want the credit? >> you have to take him seriously and not literally. he sells condos. the sales pitch is going to vary from time to time and he will be judged on the results. that gets to the point of ends
justify the means. >> look at how boeing ceo responded. you can't always take his tweets as policy. doesn't that overtime weaken? >> now on the glowing part of the phase. he is testing a lot of these boundaries. what ends up happening. and do people end up acquiescing. >> don't take it all as policy. >> he uses twitter for grand proclamations. he gets on and said hey, i'm saving 1100 jo. days later, it takes a while and
we found out and still comes out to mexico. >> he suckered all of us and his supporters are going you people in the media, you are nit picks. >> this is the most independent president ever elected. they were not with him in the primary. >> not a single and he has a lot more independence and the conservatives and pop lifts play together. >> you don't see them and he does. >> the question will be how they push back.
and how do people respond to him. >> what worked? >> you end up knowing what pushes his buttons. >> pakistan and that read out last week, they worked for them. they congratulated and accomplished their goals. china and taiwan chose to engage. >> two things work in foreign affairs. he will have to have discipline to have consistency. if he does, he will have a successful foreign policy. >> there has been too much with china. >> he believes they need more and if you get him to work on north korea, it looks like his approach are thinking he wants to stick them for a little
while. >> while he is trying to execute diplomacy. he will try to figure out what is he saying. it will be tricky and the thing about donald trump is he is so unpredictable right now. >> you can see how this can be effective and blow up and you can see how both things are likely to happen in the same week. >> i think we will have to learn how to translate into mandarin. i think there will be a new rhythm established with trump and foreign leaders. they will understand that the back channel communications is what counts and they have to realize there is a policy. >> it depends on your personal relationship with him. pure and simple. this side show about the secretary of state is going to matter what your relationship
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first battles against trump and today you saw the house and senate democrats join for a hands off medicare event. trump himself said he wouldn't touch medicare in the campaign. democrats are arguing that his nomination of tom price does not bode well for the promise. democrats who haven't been totally in the minority in a decade, no house or senate or white house say they are ready to go to war when it comes to medicare. >> mr. trump, we are going to hold you accountable. you said you would not cut social security. you would not cut medicare. you would not cud medicaid. you know what? millions of us are going to demand you keep your promise. >> the democrats plan to deliver over a million signatures from citizens with no change. speaker of the house paul ryan
and majority leader mcconnell. this man just elected himself the new chair of the congressional black caucus. he will be the youngest person to chair in 31 years. welcome to the show. >> thank you for having me. >> let me start with the medicare. it's clear that the party wants to be a united voice on this. donald trump the candidate sounded more like a democrat than paul ryan for instance. is this an attempt to drive a wedge between ryan and trump? >> no. we don't care about the relationship between ryan and trump. we care about the millions of people who ri lie on medicare on a daily basis. that's one of the things we put down in terms of fairness and responsibility and trump the candidate is different than trump the president-elect who is nominating people who i think
are inconsistent with our desire to protect the medicare guarantee. >> it goes to the larger question that i know some democratic activists. i have not interviewed a lawmaker that hasn't said they are willing to work with a president trump wherever necessary. they said i don't work with them at all. what do you tell the activists that don't want them to work with trump at all. what do you tell them about why they are long about that? >> i think for the activists, they are taking trump at his word. all the things they said they wanted to do. for the young activists out in the streets, it is driven out of fear and the unknown. as policy makers we have a responsibility to govern the best we can with the hand that we are dealt. that doesn't mean we will be running over to president trump
any time soon to do anything. our first line of action is to make sure we protect the things we believe in. equality, anti-discrimination, economic opportunity and public education and all of those things. fair housing. all of those things are important to us. they are contradictory to our values. i don't see it. i have not seen his outreach to offer areas where we can work together. we are preparing to fight and will fight for day one. we don't have room for error and the people we represent are far too vulnerable. >> let me ask you about the leadership. house democrats as a whole did not change leadership. they did not look for a new generation of leaders. the congressional black caucus
did. even as they are technically getting older, why do you think two different messages were sent. it seems that african-american members of congress said when it will lead to a new generation of leaders. why wasn't it heard? >> i think it was heard by house democrats. if you look at our entire leadership team, it has been broadened and we added capable young members and i think they can speak to younger generations in a language they can understand and understand their priorities. just because we didn't change the top three doesn't mean that we didn't have a large amount of change within our body. tim ryan did a great job of guiding the conversation about where we need to go in the future and that leader pelosi
and hoyer and jim clyburn received it and they are embracing the younger generation to help shape our leadership team. >> let me talk about the election and campaign 2016. if you miss it, a message to 49 other states, you can go to your home state in the last race of 2016. the democrat is foster campbell. making the case that he is a better fit with trump ideologically than kennedy is. what's your message to democrats when it comes to the uphill battle in louisiana? >> for democrats, we don't always take the easy road. the things we fight for are life and death issues. the things we fight for when you talk about equality and
anti-discrimination. we are going to fight and continue to fight and i urge everyone to come in. we have a candidate who did a commercial about bringing jobs back and showed a cotton field. those messages in this day and age the country should fight against. foster campbell has a proven track record of fighting for the little man and working people. i think he will be a great senator. >> sounds like you think john kennedy has run a race-based campaign? >> he was pandering on the last commercial and a lot of his ads are border line on flat out racist images. >> what do you say to democrats that say can't win in the south anymore without the republican party having a scandal or a
major split like what happened in the louisiana governor's race last year? >> if you recall the louisiana governor's race, i expanded on raising the minimum wage and he took them to the people and talked to people in a language they can understand. we can't govern and campaign with slogans. we have to talk about what's important to them. how to pay the mortgage and how to get the kids in a better school whether private or public. whether they can afford a bigger house or save for retirement or take a vacation. until we start talking about the issues when people talk about at the dinner people, we will keep losing. i don't think it's just the rust belt. i don't think it's just the problem with white males. i think it's a problem with every person in the country that receives a paycheck. they are not happy in wanting us
to focus on upward mobility. that i think we lost the message on economics. >> democrat from louisiana and the new chair of the congressional black caucus. congratulations on your election, by the way. >> he claims he was smarter than most of the generals, donald trump added a third military man to his roster of appointees. we will discuss what's behind trump's apparent change of heart. on this 75th anniversary of the attack on pearl harbor, senator mccain praised the lasting achievement of the men and women who made the ultimate sacrifice. >> that we were defeated for a moment does not diminish the mobility of the sacrifices made by americans that day for the sake of duty, honor, and country. neither does it obscure the
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state, but he added more people to his team. the administrator of the small business administration. the largest outside donor to the trump foundation. they confirmed the pick to lead the epa. scott pruitt who is suing the epa or on behalf of the state or emissions rules. he doesn't have obvious experience for the epa job and is a recipient of donations from the oil and gas industry and oklahoma is a friendly oil and gas state. trump announced that the longest serving governor in the country in american history, iowa governor will be his ambassador to china as we mentioned. he is a long-term friend of the current president. he traveled four times in the last seven years. the current president spent time in iowa. the lieutenant governor will be the governor until the next election and will serve out the
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donald trump named another marine general johnicle tow lead dhs. the third highest ranking former military leader to officially join trump's team after mike flynn and james mattis. don't forget david petraeus is one of the names trump has floated for secretary of state. picking all of those generals is surprising given what trump said about the military brass. >> who do you talk to for military advice? >> i see a lot of -- when you watch your show and all of the other shows -- >> our military is a disaster. >> i know more about isis than the generals do, believe me.
>> i think under the leadership of barack obama and hillary clinton, the generals have been reduced to rubble. to a point where it's embarrassing if are our country. >> it relationship accepted that military service is the best asset in politics, but there is such thing as too much military might in one executive branch? joining me is joanie ernst and member of the armed services committee and homeland security as well. we will talk to you about both of those. welcome to the show. >> thank you very much, chuck. >> explain the experience of what you believe is the civilian military split that we cherish in this country and what is your -- when do you think he is walking up to the line on that and where don't you? >> the one thing i would woint out is to everyone he mentioned as nominees, they are civilians.
they were civilians. they served honorably in the united states military. we see a number of members coming forward. they have great management skills and they are very well respected by peers and colleagues. i think it's brilliant on his part, mr. trump's part to look at these fine gentlemen for leadership positions in the federal government. they are civilians. we have to keep that in mind. looking at general mattis for secretary of defense, he is a civilian and has been out for a number of years. >> three years. >> a number of years. >> we made 7 the buffer before. why are you comfortable with three? >> i don't know why 7 was a magic number. that was the compromise between the senate and the house. what is the right number? i think we have to look case by case and what does that person bring to the equation? it's our job as congress to do the vetting process and make
sure it's the right person for the right job. >> let's talk about general kelly. on homeland security i top the go to that first. immediate reaction? >> general kelly is a very wise selection for mr. trump. he served as commander and has a lot of wonderful experience in protecting our homeland. he is bringing great people into the administration and i think general kelly will do a phenomenal job. >> what's interesting about this pick is it's the least partisan homeland security department we had. i say partisan before we had former elected officials or people that served in traditionally jay johnson with democrats or with republicans. this is an a political appointment. shouldn't this be the way it is and almost always b someone
totally removed from politics? >> this is about protecting our citizens on the homeland. that's what general kelly is bringing to this position. he cherishes america and its citizens and he had that perspective of working to protect our homeland whether from drug trafficking or otherwise in his position from south com. he is a very wise selection and someone both republicans and democrats will do a fine job. again, we have to vet them carefully and i look forward to sitting down with him. >> you are not ready to commit yet? you feel wait until they spent time? >> yes, i would say that of every nominee that we see coming forward. i would rather discuss some of those issues. what are the personal feelings and the feelings in this position and what did they bring to the aspect of that seat?
what qualification do they have? >> they may or may not have to do with executive orders that president obama may resint or daka or the so-called undocumented immigrants in this country when they were kids. lindsay graham has a bill to protect them if the executive order gets rescinded. do you want the executive order rescinded? >> i have de it clear through my campaign when it came to daka the children brought here didn't have a say in that. for many this is the only home they have ever known. >> you would like to see president trump keep that executive order? >> that certain part of it with the original -- those they call -- the first scenario. the expansion of that that president obama did, i am not fond of, no.
>> if he rolled back that one and kept the other? >> i would be accepting of that, absolutely. they are great young men and women in our country. i would say they are probably many of them that don't fully realize they are not united states citizens. >> two more questions. one has to do with the ad that made you a national name. let's just say you were cutting other things. let's make it clear. donald trump said something interesting in the interview with time. he was talking about deficit spending. in order to get jobs going and the country going, we are 1%. the hint being he is on the deficit spending. this could be something i feel like a lot of conservatives got here because we ran on some
fiscal conservative policies. where are you on this? >> exactly. i think we need to manage our budget and spending carefully. i don't like the idea of deficit spending. moving forward, we have to take a serious look at this. how much is too much. we are $20 trillion in debt. i would encourage mr. trump to slow down a bit on this. there are wiing we can look at the federal government and find ways of waste and abuse that we can get rid of. his intentions with infrastructure is very important. i think we need to look at ways we can say it. you going to support things that are not paid for? >> we will have to look at it. we will have to look at it carefully. i don't want to deficit spend and i don't like doing that. the best way we can overcome this is to grow our economy. >> final question, your governor
has been nominated and he has long ts with the president of china. tell me about kim reynolds and do you expect her to run for a full term? >> do you encourage it? >> absolutely. >> you are not going to be run something. >> i will not be running, but i admire her and i am thrilled she will be the first female governor and she brings a lot of talent and energy and compassion into that seat. >> i will leave it there. you were the first woman elected to the governor or senate. >> absolutely. thank you. >> thanks for sharing your views. up ahead, what donald trump said he is doing to avoid conflicts of interest. as we head to break, survivors of the pearl harbor attack reflect on the word hero. >> we are not the heroes. they are the heroes. they gave their life for the united states.
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which to me tells me the vast empty gap that is in the party right now. >> and also for the dnc chair. people were really -- there were democrats who were really wanting, you know, to have vice president joe biden to take that mantle. because let's be clear, he's a popular politiciapolitician, heo them. >> sounds like you're in. >> well, i'm a fan of joe biden. but i have to say, it's just too soon. i think democrats need to really refocus figuring out what kind of looking into the mirror, figure out how they will move forward and also how are they going to fight against donald trump when it's necessary. >> i was going say, we haven't heard yet, medicaid will be an interesting fight. what do you tell your clients because it may be going against the president? >> donald trump will end up working a deal with the congress on this subject. >> you think he will? >> well, i think both sides will not quite get everything that
they want. i think once you appeal obamacare, we'll have allege mo a little mock comedy in the locker room and that will be a good basis to move forward. we had an election where medicare was not a big issue and we won a lot of things. >> i was at the press conference today with leader pelosi, chuck humor and senator sanders. and it is the fight that they are spoiling for because it wasn't something that was on as a policy that voters voted for to privatize medicare. >> the trick for republicans is to put wins on the scoreboard. and then they will feel a whole lot better about how you fuse the populism and conservatism together. but we need wins on the board. >> democrats almost i think what brad is trying to say if you're going to do medicare, can you wait. democrats almost want to force the issue early.
>> absolutely. i think that they want to be able to -- democrats need some wins, too. after the surprise loss. but what i'm going to find fascinating about the democrats is what do they actually decide to go off of. we mentioned medicare. republicans in 2010 going after the health care law and he repeated it in 2014, they used it as a medicare attack. democrats said boy, politifacts says this argument is wrong, it was to actually keep up medicare. republicans used that into a big attack. but you never know and it will be interested to see what issue they sgi to fight on. >> democrats were successful in 2005 and 2006 when george w. bush made privatizing social security part of his go did, to. and they won -- years later, they won the house and it was a fight that they won. so i wouldn't be surprised that medicare would be it. >> medicare politics has changed. gross overspending and deb in the obama years made the
medicare sensitive voter aware that both sides, they have risk with both sides. they don't position either side has medicare as the number one priority. >> i don't want to say you won the argument on medicare, but you didn't lose it as badly as you used to, i would argue in 2014. is that fair to say? >> a lot of it was the fact that or course voters were pretty savvy and they saw the washington overspending and president's other priorities as a big threat to medicare about. so it was not a partisan issue, it's an issue about the issue. and i think democrats thought that they would have that base forever. right now near seniors and seniors are the most reliable run votes. >> we're still in the phase of the president-elect. remember the big republican meeting where they were going to decide their strategy to go after president obama and didn't happen until president obama's inauguration. so we still have a ways to go and i'll be fascinated what the democratic party looks like.
>> yeah, we don't know yet. i'll leave it there. excellent panel. appreciate it. after the break, the lessons we've learned in the decades since pearl harbor. with my moderate to severe ulcerative colitis, the possibility of a flare was almost always on my mind. thinking about what to avoid, where to go... and how to deal with my uc. to me, that was normal. until i talked to my doctor. she told me that humira helps people like me get uc under control and keep it under control when certain medications haven't worked well enough.
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died in wars. after world war ii, the u.s. moved away from the isolationism that defined us between the two wars. there was the marshall plan. we defended europe and japan which helped them rebuild their shattered economies. in short, we made the decision that free market economic competition should replace military competition. for decades we americans did very well. and then increased automation at home and cheaper labor abroad has slowed our economic growth and that's created a restless and often scared workforce that has become a soft target. ronald reagan used to argue that freedom, democracy and the free market would end tyranny and raise our common humanity. he wasn't entirely right, but he wasn't entirely wrong either. so let's think twice when we made line foreign governments, impose tariffs or threaten trade wars. the system has worked pretty well for tens of in millions here and across the globe.
over the last 75 years. just something worth considering on this most sacred of anniversaries. and once again, like i said, if you have a member of the greatest generational live today, spend a little time with them, ask them about today and what it means. that's all for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more. chris matthews picks up our kump right now. good evening. the news before "hardball." we start with new developments on donald trump's cabinet. sources say he's turning to oklahoma attorney general skoco pruitt to run the epa. and he's also picking john kelly to head up the department of homeland security. he wants linda mcmahon to lead the small business administration. she of course co-founded world wrestling entertainment and ran two unsuccessful senate races up in connecticut. and he's also chosen iowa govern