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the agency he would lead. he's also lobbied for energy companies and publicly doubted climate change. we have reaction from both sides of the aisle. in georgia, a manhunt expanding as officials search for a man in a fatal police shooting. said to be armed, dangerous, and on the loose for over 24 hours. >> we want him to turn himself in peacefully. we want a peaceful resolution to this situation. if he turns himself in, he has nothing to fear from us. jury foreman in the walter slager trial is speaking out why there was a mistrial in the case against the former police officer who shot an unarmed black man. we're learning more about the jury and what it took to get to that point. >> the majority of the time, it wasn't any racial attention or anything like that. of course, it came up. we discussed it, but it wasn't, in my opinion, one of the major
deciding factors. dylan roof motioned for a mistrial because of the emotional testimony from one of the witnesses. we'll have the judge's response and what the latest is in court there. good morning, i'm tamron hall live from our msnbc headquarters in new york. this morning, donald trump facing backlash on two fronts. democrats and environmentalists are blasting the president-elect and his latest cab thinet selection. he announced his intent to nominate scott pruitt as his pick to head the epa, the same agency pruitt is suing and has sued multiple times. the suit claims president obama's clean power plan seeks to limit carbon emissions would trample state's rights and drive up electricity rates, threaten reliability of the nation's power grid and, quote, create economic havoc. senator bernie sanders called pruitt a climate change denier.
chuck schumer said he stands with big oil and climate deniers and house democratic leader pelosi said for the sake of the air we breathe and the planet we'll leave our children, the head cannot be for polluter of oil. >> the critics, pruitt, great qualifications, his record in oklahoma. and this morning, donald trump in another war of words with a private citizen. the head of the union at the carrier plant he visited. it started with chuck jones claiming the president-elect lied his expletive off when he claimed 1100 jobs were saved at the plant and while he's grateful, the number was actually 730. after the union, making that point, the president-elect
tweeted, chuck jones has done a terrible job representing workers. no wonder companies flee countries. the union head talked about threats he's received as a result of this. >> i've been doing this job 30 years and i've had a lot more serious threats than what people are making right now. got a little bit more thicker skin than i did many years ago. >> kristen welker joining us live from trump tower here in new york. let's first start with the epa. sued the epa multiple tiemes. how can he lead this agency if confirmed? >> reporter: they are trying to cast this, tamron, as someone going to bring back jobs and industries like the coal industry. this is the clearest sign yet that president-elect donald trump is going to try to scale back and reverse all of those executive actions that president obama put in place to deal with climate change which a lot of
democrats and environmentalists cheered but a lot of republicans and those in the coal industry, for example, were opposed to and that's part of the reason you had the support for donald trump in places like ohio and other areas in the rust belt. so that's how the trump team is trying to spin this but there's no doubt the reaction and the backlash has been swift, it has been strong. in addition to the reaction that you read, tamron. one more from ed markey who said denying the science of climate change and carrying water for big oil make him unsuitable to lead the epa. i think some will not pick a fight on every nominee certainly but this could be one of them where we see very robust pushback, tamron. >> this also puts him slightly at odds with the latest comments from the president-elect to the "the new york times" about where he stands regarding human involvement in climate change. >> reporter: that's right.
i mean, he has publicly denied that climate change is real. he's questioned the science of it and that's why you have so many democrats and you have so many in the environmental community saying that he's just not suitable to lead the epa and as you pointed out, tamron, at the top, he's suing the epa. so the question is, how can he be a good steward of the epa when he's in fact locked in a fierce battle with them right now? those are some of the thorny questions the trump team has to answer now. >> donald trump said he's open to the consideration that humans have had an impact o our climate and what we're experiencing different than what he said on the campaign trail but that's the latest word we've heard from him which is counter to what pruitt apparently believes. let's talk about the new battle between a private citizen and donald trump. here you have a union leader. granted, he's a leader as far as the union is concerned but a
private citizen who said he's received some type of threat because of what the president-elect has said on twitter. >> reporter: that's right. i spoke to chuck jones earlier today. he said he's dealt with a whole lot worse, but at the same time, he stands by his allegation that the president-elect is essentially inflating the number of jobs he saved at carrier corporation. i tell you, carrier corporation confirms that, tamron, president-elect trump can take credit for saving about 800 jobs but 300 jobs were already set to stay in place and as you know, the president-elect has been saying he saved 1100 jobs. so chuck jones is saying, hey, you should get credit for saving those jobs but don't inflate the numbers. and what makes this so striking, a couple of things, tamron, this was the president-elect's first big win and now he's locked in a battle with the very people he essentially said he's trying to help and it raises the broader question. is the president-elect going to
have these tit for tats on twitter? a lot of supporters say it's time now to shift away from twitter and really get into the mode of governing and they argue this undercuts his seriousness as president, tamron. >> he said to "time," it's a modern form of communication, and that's one direction. it's another when yo talk about a private citizen and that's why i think some wonder what the line would be. the president-elect will leave for ohio state university where he will meet victims of the november 28 attack there and with first responders and 13 people were injured at osu when student abdul artan crashed into people and slashed several with a knife. he was stopped when fatally shot by an ohio state university police officer. nbc's chris jansing joins us live now from the campus in columbus, ohio, with more on how
that will play out today, chris. >> reporter: yeah, we don't even know how many people are accepting the invitation now. students here at the ohio state university center that didn't know donald trump was coming to town. it's the first time we've seen him in this role as consoler in chief, if you will, but at least one professor emeritus said he's refused the invitation and doesn't see how it helps. i want to talk now to the editor of the student newspaper, the lantern, the campus editor, nick role. you said people are surprised, actually, that he's coming. why? >> yeah, i think it's because, you know, yes, there's this attack on campus but that's not necessarily something that's going to elicit a visit from the president-elect. and it was a private event, so we had to work really hard to get those details confirmed, even publicized that it was going to happen. it's not open to the public and those details were hard the fish
out. >> reporter: what's been the reaction, if you could, the campus of 60,000 students say sort of what people are thinking about it? >> well, i think it's similar to any kind of visit by trump either, proposed to come here once for another private event but ended up being cancelled. but, you know, he did visit the columbus area and every time that happened, i think in a divisive campaign, you're going to have people on both sides and a lot of people up in arms against that. after a campaign that was critical of islam and refugees and the attacker being both a muslim refugee, i think that's added to the anxiety of people who are already not happy he was coming. >> nick roll, thank you so much and to his point, tamron, actually there's going to be a
religious group with a news conference concerned about donald trump's comments following the attack here saying it was caused by stupid politicians and lax immigration laws. that's going to be a continuing topic as he continues on what is going to be after he comes here his thank you tour to take him to des moines, iowa, tonight and two stops tomorrow in baton rouge and grand rapids and next week in hershey, pennsylvania. tamron? >> thank you very much, chris. aassive manhunt in georgia, a man accused of shooting two police officers and killing one of them has been on the run. kerry sanders is in americus, georgia, with the latest. i understand there's a big development happening right now. >> reporter: we're about 26 hours into this chase for the suspect. i'm going to step out of the way to sort of show you what's happening. the suspect's name is lembrick. he's accused of shooting two
police officers, killing one leaving the other in critical condition, just a short time ago, the authorities may have gotten a lead on him being holed up in this neighborhood here. we're back quite a distance from where several s.w.a.t. teams arrived from different cities at the sheriff's department and moved in and around various streets of this neighborhood where, for those who know the americus area, were on martin luther king boulevard at the corner of allen and martin luther king. the authorities brought one resident out of the area, an elderly woman. she didn't seem to know too much of what was going on. the authorities said they were trying to get her to a safe distance. it's believed that the suspect here is armed and dangerous. he's posted on facebook a good-bye message so it's unclear but treating this as if he may be suicidal or suicide by cop where he'll do everything else to know he'll be taken down.
in the meantime, the police officer who was taken to the hospital but in a reward money up to $70,000 that may have been enough to have picked the phone up and saying, i think the man is here. we don't know the details. the authorities have told us that there is a body cam video from yesterday when this suspect allegedly took his pistol and fired at both police officers. they reviewed the video but no reason to release that video especially if they believe they have the suspect cornered and maybe taken into custody here shortly. tamron? >> thank you very much, kerry. we'll have much more on these developments and i know you'll
keep us updated. in reno, a 14-year-old boy in critical condition after being shot by a school police officer in front of dozens of his classmates. the shocking confrontation caught on video as students grabbed their phones and started recording it. now questioning whether the shooting was necessary. stephanie goff has more. >> reporter: this morning, cell phone video posted online shows the troubling scene at a nevada high school as it unfolded. students in reno scattered as a 14-year-old boy wielding two large knives lunged at classmates. another video shows the student scrambling and then. a campus police officer fires one shot. he appears to clutch his neck. >> we have all units. shots fired with a student down at high school. >> reporter: the teenager is hospitalized this morning in
critical condition. the officer employed by the school district placed on routine administrative leave. authorities say his use of force was appropriate. >> the officer gave verbal commands to drop the knife, ultimately firing his service weapon, stopping the threat. once the threat was stopped, the shooting officer immediately began to provide medic aid to the student. >> reporter: the attorney for the boy's family said their priority is to focus on the teen's condition. the question to the shooting saying in a statement, there are many questions to be answered as to what happened and what could have been done to avoid the use of lethal force. we believe options were available that were not pursued. worried parents waited and authorities in the process of interviewing students in the attack to find out what sparked the incident. preliminary information points to an altercation with a teen and another student.
his son dj is friends with the boy who was shot. and also concerned. >> got a really good kid, a good heart. anybody's kid that gets shot, it would hurt because, you know, this doesn't have to be their friend. anything senseless at school just doesn't make sense. >> reporter: that friend of the student who was shot said he was regularly bullied here at school and he thinks that he might have been acting in self-defense with those knives. tamron, still took the knives to school and police looking very closely at what happened and the build-up to that fight. there are obviously a lot of questions that remain unanswered there, also, looking for anymore video and photos that students or faculty may have from yesterday. >> stephanie, thank you very much. and developing news in the
dylan roof federal trial, in the last hour, the judge denied the defense for the mistrial. they requested the mistrial this morning after a witness, felicia sanders' testimony yesterday, that should be, quote, in the pit of hell. those indicated a preference on sentencing. yesterday, family members wept during raw emotional testimony and sanders who survived the shooting and killed that day said she watched her child stand up to roof and pleading with him to stop. the defendant refusing to look at me saying, i have to do this. y'all are raping our white women. y'all are taking over the world and said, that's when he put about five bullets in my son. i watched my son come into this world and i watched my son leave this world. mariana atencio live and we
anticipate new emotional testimony. it is a surprise move by the defense though to try and ask the the judge for a mistrial. >> reporter: that's right, tamron. and i have a copy of that motion for a mistrial right here. this was filed by dylann roof's lars a lawyers and based on felicia sanders' testimony. she is one of five survivors of the church shooting and called dylann roof evil on the stand. i want to read to you her exact quote about roof. she said, he is evil, there is no place for him except the pit of hell. roof's lawyers saying those kind of statements do not belong in a courtroom. judge richard denied that motion for a mistrial but he did tell jurors it was their responsibility, not the victims' families to determine the kind of punishment that roof
deserves. the eighth witness on the stand now and the tcharleston police officer, he was tasked to retrieve the video showing dylann walking into the church and walking out and released to the media after the shooting in that manhunt that ensued. and finally, one interesting thing that's also in this motion, tamron, that i want to mention to you is that it's stated here, dylann roof's mother was admitted yesterday to the hospital. she needed emergency medical assistance. we're trying to reconfirm what condition and in fact, if she was admitted to the hospital but just states how emotional and difficult this trial is for everyone involved. tamron? >> marianna, thank you very much. days after the mistrial, the jury foreman now speaking out. he was the only african-american juror and told matt lauer and me this morning on "the today
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spoke to us on the "today" show. >> officer slager said he feared for his life. fired to protect his own life after he thought walter scott gained control of his taser but so many people have seen that video, that cell phone video, mr. montgomery, that shows mr. scott being shot in the back as he ran away. when you got into that jury room after the trial, how did you deal with that? >> at first, we looked at the evidence that has been presented and looking at the video, of course, the video was something that's very shocking. so not knowing everything that we know now, of course, we can speculate but after seeing the video and the evidence, we understand just a little bit different now. >> you personally when you prepared and started deliberating, were you prepared to convict officer slager? >> at that point in time, yes. at that point in time. >> what charge? >> initially, it was going to be murder. but after, we looked at the evidence and read the laws and
looked at the things presented to us by the judge, we had to come to find out he didn't do anything malicious. he had manslaughter, a brief disturbance and reason for that moment based on the law, that would be classified under manslaughter. voluntary manslaughter. >> it was reported one lone juror held out but you say that was not the case. this was the evolution of a number of people, what happened inside that with the jurors. >> that's why i'm here to correct that and speak up for jurors with me in the jury room because i come to find out that the media misconstrued that particular letter when that was submitted on that trfriday becae one individual but yet we had five other individuals undecided and so because of that, we went and the judge, i believe we could have deliberated a little bit more to see if we could sway that particular juror and get those undecided to make a
decision. >> you're referencing a letter sent to the judge on friday where the jurors said he or she could not in good conscience consider a guilty juror. how did that juror explain that letter to you? >> he had his own convictions and i leave that right there. >> you're the only african-american on that jury, correct? >> i was. >> 11 other jurors all white. do you think race played any role in the deliberations and the outcome of this trial? >> due to the society we live and race will always be a factor, but at that point in time, i think some may have had that in their mind but the majority of them didn't have anything in reference to race that may have played a factor in the decision. >> walter scott's mom said after the mistrial, said it's not over until god says it's over. what would you say to walter scott's mom? >> at this point in time, i believe justice shall come forth and whatever the outcome is, is what the outcome shall be.
i played a small part in this particular part of it but whatever the outcome will be, that's what the outcome shall be. >> gabe gutierrez joins me with charleston, south carolina. the question is what's next in this process and also, apparently, slager is to be retired now? >> reporter: yeah, hi there, tamron. what's next in the trial is the local prosecutor that said she will retry this case and i want to point out something very interesting coming out in your interview as well as craig's interview as well last hour. we begin to see that insight of kind of the roller coaster inside the jury room. he, montmontgomery, mentioned t there were five jurors on friday when people thought it was an 11-1 deadlock and six during the interview with craig, but also told me that the final breakdown
of the jury was actually 10-2. 10 for voluntary manslaughter and two not guilty. so it shows the deliberate process here and grappling with this issues while the rest of the country was looking at this case, so yes, the question is, what will the local prosecutor do the next time this case comes up and also, if michael slager is tried on federal civil rights charges at some point next year, the trial has not been set? >> thank you very much. up next, donald trump said on the campaign trail he would deport all undocumented workers including dreamers. now trump's stance seems to be changing. i'll speak with a prominent dreamer, activist for bernie sanders, erica andiola. on what president-elect trump said.
president-elect donald trump appears to be softening his stance on immigration at least when it comes to dreamers, undocumented immigrants who were brought to this country as children and time magazine's profile as trump with the person of the year said the following about the deferred action for childhood arrivals known as dacca. he said we're gog to work something out that's going to make people happy and proud. they got brought here at a very young age, they've worked here, gone to school here. some good students and some wonderful jobs and never never land because they don't know what's going to happen. dreamer and political outreach director for our revolution, erika andiola. thank you so much for joining. >> thank you for having me. >> the dreamers are great and the rest should be deported asap, narrative coming from hell no @real donald trump. and what do you think with the tweet? >> i think that it's a positive,
i think, for a lot of dreamers afraid of losing our dacca work permits we fought so hard for. it's hope but also a warning and the gop continues to use the the narrative with the dreamer and the valedictorian to criminalize the rest of our communities and my example, i have dacca. i can lose it. i hope that doesn't happen but my mother is one of the priorities because in the deportation proceedings for donald trump and we have families and they cannot ignore that. i can see that coming and i can assure you we're going to do, 'rgoing to fight that narrative hard to make sure they put us in the same pedestal with the valedictorian and the good immigrant. >> the latest incarnation from the trump team is to focus on so-called criminals, they want to focus in on sanctuary cities
and you and i both know one of the criticisms was nickname deporter in chief, he deported more than 2.5 million people that were removed under immigration orders according to government data he deported more people than any other president in history. how do you reconcile those numbers and the obama administration and blocked comprehensive from donald trump's newest words are as it relates to his potential immigration plan and again, i say this because we don't know. >> exactly. the fact is the deportation machine exists and the worry we have is that that deportation machine is going to be amplified and going to be used against the most vulnerable. and the deportation machine and awaiting deportation and some people have been deported. we want to protect our entire
community and fight for our dacca and for dreamers, but at the same time, we cannot allow him to use us to create legislation or to continue to expand the deportation machine. we have families, we're not here by ourselves and we are here actually for them and to fight for them but we're ready and on the tweet, all of us are here to stay. with that in mind, we fight for sanctuary cities, dwofgovernmenr governors to create the state and most of all, to create a sense of unity with the community. we can protect each other. >> when you say all of us are here to stay, even when we hear democrats and please correct me if i'm wrong, i've not seen even a plan from their leadership that would qualify as all of us are here to stay. >> not at all. that is a main issue we started fighting against with the obama administration, the sense of
families versus felons. our communities get criminals all the time. you can't put people into a bucket of criminal label without understanding that both the criminal justice system and the immigration system need to be fixed, and for us, democrats have already started that narrative and it will be up to us to tell our own stories and people to understand that, my mom is not a criminal. she's going to be priority number one for donald trump but she's not a criminal. so we need to rethink that and reassess how we continue to talk about our stories, even as dreamers. >> when the president-elect said we're going to work something out, what do you or what would you propose as a way forward to working something out? >> i mean, i don't know what he's thinking. i guess the silver lining of this perhaps is that they don't take daccas away but when it
comes down to legislation, put anything out for dreamers, you know, we're going to see as things come up but what i can say is we're not going to allow for us against the rest of our communities, but we'll see. we'll see what happens, but i can tell you is we're ready to fight. >> thank you very much. greatly appreciate you joining us. i want to take your audience to something that happened now. joe biden speaking at nyu law school in washington, dc discussing the election. let's listen in. >> this has been a very tough election. it's been ugly. it's been divisive, it's been coarse, it's been disparaging. it's more of a battle of personalities than it was ideas in my view. and as vice president of the united states, i traveled 100, 200,000 miles traveling to meet with virtually every head of state in the world and i've been
scott pruitt, president-elect trump's choice to head the environmental protection agency has an ongoing battle with the e rks a, tpa. pruitt is currently suing the epa over its plan to regulate methane emissions and on his bio, web site, he said he's a leading advocate against the epa's activist agenda and in may, posted an op-ed with luther strange saying global warming has inspired one of the major policy debates of our time.
that debate is far from settled. scientists continue to disagree about the agree and extent of global warming and its connection to the actions of manki mankind. this all comes as a pulitzer prize winning investigation that pruitt sent multiple letters under his name written by energy lobbyists and attorneys to different governmental agencies including the epa and president obama. this morning, this was a release by the statement from the trump team saying my administration strongly believes in environmental protection and scott pruitt will be a powerful advocate while promoting jobs safety and opportunity. oregon senator jeff merkley who serves on the senate committee. thank you for your time. >> you're welcome. >> let's go for the obvious question here. you're suing the epa. you've sued multiple times. how can you effectively lead the agency? what do you think is behind this
selection from the trump team, the president-elect leading it? >> there's no way that this individual scott pruitt is a protector or defender of the environment. quite the opposite. he's worked against every clean water, clean air strategy. he has taken on, if you will, trying to break up and oppose rules regarding mercury, a neurotoxin that builds up in the bodies of our children, strongly affecting their development. he's turned his office into a straight extension of the fossil fuel industry. you might as well nominate the koch brothers. to argue it's in favor of environmental protection or to serve that purpose is really a big lie. >> you'll need republican allies to block this nomination. when you look at the 2014 "new york times" investigation that alleges multiple letters under pruitt's name were actually
written by energy lobbyists and attorneys, these letters eventually set to the epa and the president. when you are challenging this nominee, what are you looking for as an answer to that? is there an acceptable answer to that? >> yes, imagine this. special interests brings you a thousand word letter and you change maybe two dozen words and put it on your official letterhead and make the position of the state of oklahoma. that is not the role of the ag to fight for fairness for citizens. instead of fighting for citizens and for children, he's been fighting as a lobbyist essentially using his public office as a lobbyist for the oil and coal industry. so this has to be fully vetted, explor explored. we are to determine if if someone is of fit or unfit character in office. that's the role we were charged
with and in my mind, clearly unfit. >> are you prepared to block this nomination? >> absolutely. >> how will you get? >> i felt like that was clear but i wanted the audience to hear it one more time. you could not have been more clear in your first answer. with that said, how do you get then some republicans on board? >> hopefully in the course of the committee examination, there will be a number of republicans who say we're very unkfbl with this. there was a time republicans fought on behalf of our children and our citizens, we fought on behalf of clean air and water and we still have some members who believe in that vision. and so that is my hope that the hearing will awaken the remnants of that sense of responsibility to our citizens and our planet and will have a bipartisan opposition to this nomination
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boost®. be up for it.™ hillary clinton will attend a portrait unilin for retiring senate minority leader harry reid and also attending that event joe biden who was given a more than two hour long emotional tribute on the senate floor. kasie hunt joining us from capitol hill on what to expect with secretary clinton arrives there. >> reporter: hey, i think you can expect this to be a focus on harry reid. hillary clinton and her campaign feel like he really helped her this election season in the primary election and also in the general election but still will be her first political appearance of any kind since that emotional concession speech you just showed a little bit of video from a moment ago, so it will be interesting to see if she branches out at all or stops
to talk to reporters. and it will be interesting during the election and changed up her look and gone make-up free, clearly something of a free, clearly something of a deliberate way. chance a lot of colleagues up here will get a chance to talk to her since that devastating loss. joe biden as well reflecting today at an event hosted by nyu but here in washington, d.c., talking about how this election was more of a clash of personalities than policies. he was embarrassed how the election was conducted. he got an emotional sendf from his colleagues here on capitol hill. it was a very sharp contrast with the way the campaign was conducted. you had republicans and democrats giving emotional tribute it is to vice president on the floor of the senate. >> kasie, thank you very much. i know you will update us later today when that event starts. in donald trump's behavior
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we're back with our daily briefing on politics. here to talk with me mark murray. good to see you today. >> good to see you too, tamron. >> let's start with what you call trump's good cop/bad cop. what do you see the signs of it? >> let's take the issue of china. last week donald trump ended up having some very provocative tweets aimed at china, kicking at the country. then that was kind of the bad cop. the good cop was that donald trump has picked ambassador to be china terry branstad, iowa governor, who has very friendly relations with the leadership in china. another example of this good cop/bad cop dynamic is the issue
of climate change. on one hand donald trump brings al gore into trump tower. there are nice words about climate change. on the other hand yesterday you have donald trump's pick to be the new epa administrator. that is the attorney general of oklahoma, who is somebody that environmentalists are not fired up about. you know, one part of the good cop versus bad cop strategy is normally you have two employee employing this. you have donald trump both good cop/bad cop on these issues. >> it's interesting. let's talk about this epa selection here. the list of controversies facing some of his cabinet members or cabinet selections, does this seem to be one of the -- perhaps at the top, along with jeff sessions maybe? >> tamron, i think you put it really well. the jeff sessions and the scott pruitt pick for epa administrator are ideal logical cks. where scott pruitt in as epa
administrator, he might have been ted cruz's choice had ted cruz ended up winning the republican nomination. so, this is what you end up getting with a republican and a conservative presidency. >> thank you very much, mark. we'll see you foam world ugly and messy. they are the natural born enemy of the way things are. yes, ideas are scary, and messy and fragile. but under the proper care, they become something beautiful.
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and leonardo dicaprio, he speaks one of epa's strongest critics to head up that agency. >> saddening choice. >> this is certainly a four-alarm fire. this is really the worst case scenario. >> an end of an era. in a rare display of bipartisanship, the senate pays tribute to joe biden after his 40 years of public service. >> he doesn't break his word. he doesn't waste time telling me why i'm wrong. he gets down to brass tacks. that's joe biden right there. unbowed, unbroken, and unable to stop talking. good morning, i'm peter alexander in today for andrea mitchell. we have plenty of politics to follow. we have to begin with breaking news. this is from georgia where a standoff has been under way for much