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kasie hunt is in d.c. with the latest. good morning. >> reporter: the election has been over for weeks but this morning there are new details about how the russian government may have interfered with this election, specifically to help donald trump win. trump is pushing back, and even members of his own party are threatening they will keep digging into it. after victory laps in louisiana michigan friday night, and even calling to lock her up. the "washington post" reported on friday that the russian helped trump to win by hacking the e-mails, and the trump campaign reacting to the report machine wins dismissing the claim saying, quote, these are the same people that said of
husseins had weapons of mass destruction, and the election ended a long time ago and it's time to move on. but members of trump's own party do believe russia interfered. >> there's no doubt in my mind they hacked into the dnc, and this is about america as a whole. >> and the obama administration demanded to know more about what happened before the inauguration. >> the president has instructed the intelligence committee to conduct a full review of what happened. >> and michael flynn once had dinner with the kgb officer. 2012 republican nominee, mitt romney, is still a potential pick for secretary of state, and
he once labeled russia america's number one political foe, and rudy guiliani has taken himself out of the running. >> he had a lot of terrific candidates and i thought i could play a better role being on the outside. >> and donald trump promising he will make a decision on that critical post by next week. >> reporter: the russian government hacked also into the republican national committee but never released the information they found there, and of course the democratic national committee as well as hillary clinton's campaign chairman, john podesta, we saw a lot of that e-mail before election day. >> thank you for that report. msnbc's kasie hunt, and for more analysis in the e-mail hackings, let's bring in the former executive assistant director of
the fbi, and an msnbc contributor. sean, thank you for being here. distinctions made so far whether we have a russian government involved or a level below that outside of the government, your sense based on what you have been learning? >> my sense from the beginning of this, it was originally involved and my experience going back in the fbi, we know intelligence agencies services collected information against political campaigns and candidates and elected officials for many, many years, and when we saw the mccain and obama campaign be breached by the chinese government. this is not one particular agency. you are talking about nsa, and
cia, and they are identifying what threats there are posed against the united states and u.s. national security. again tphrbgs this particular case you are talking about human intelligence and signals intelligence, and there is a whole host of information collected to helps the community reach their conclusion. >> two sources for the reporting is saying they don't have direct connection at least with that corner office in the government of that higher level, but you were saying you were able to do so and how? >> so from our perspective we identified two different agencies associated with the russian government intelligence agencies looking across dozens of attacks over many years. from the intelligence community perspective they have a broader sense of intelligence and the human piece, those that might be
tied to the government, not just the review necessarily of electronic information, but also those that might have first-hand knowledge. let me take you back to february of 2016, richard, where the director of national intelligence put out the u.s. intelligence communities worldwide threat assessment where they said specifically in february of 2016 russia was assuming a sort of cyber posture, and they were targeting infrastructure and they were conducting espionage campaigns even when they were detected and they were doing this to help russian objectives and they would post disinformation to create influence operations and cause confusion in the u.s. process. that was in february before any of this was even identified or came out. so the u.s. government knew and had information beforehand and then on the backside after reviewing multiple attacks came to the conclusion that this was
a russian espionage campaign, richard. >> and the difference for the rnc reporting coming out, there was a lower level and more routine sorts of e-mails from local republican party officials in several states and congressional staff, not at the same level they are comparing to the dnc leaks we have seen throughout the election cycles, is that consistent with what crown strike and you were finding? >> we don't have specific information about the rnc, but let me refer back to what the intelligence agencies do there, and if they were called in their job is to assess what the damages are and what the motivations are and who the actors are. it's a comprehensive process. this is a comprehensive review. i think what president obama has
asked for is this assessment now, a deep dive into exactly what happened. i think you have to pull all the agencies together to determine going forward, how it happened and why it happened and what to do in the future processes, richard? >> that's going to be coming out, at least the president would like it to be issued before he leaves office in january, that more comprehensive report, sean. we are specifically talking about e-mail servers. there's a second silo, did it affect the election itself, the process and the machines and so far the report is saying no. what do you know about that? >> i don't think there's any indication that the actual balloting process was affected. when you look at the attacks early on, it was about collection of intelligence and when information was leaked, that was from an influence
perspective, but the despairit u.s. election process is such where each place uses different systems and it's not like people are voting at election.com, so there's not one location specifically that is subject to this type of attack. >> clear and present danger, high, medium, low? >> i think that when you look at what happened here, when you have a nation state that is influencing the democratic process, this is a u.s. national security issue, it's not a partisan issue and people should not be playing partisan, and this is about what u.s. needs to do going forward to insure that the democratic process remains pristine, and the integrity is intact. this is an issue that the next administration is going to have to address, and there are other
adversaries out there. >> we are seeing bipartisan interests invest gating this in the senate side. it's happening the way you are suggesting so far. thank you so much for stopping by on this saturday, sean henry. >> thanks. a chill is blanketing much of the country with snow, ice, and a deep freeze. the snowstorm has been blamed for one death so far, and forecasters warn conditions could go from bad to worse. nbc's kristen dahlgren is out there. >> reporter: know is expected to continue on and off throughout the day. some of the roads here still not plowed and interstate 90, one of the major highways only moving about 5 miles per hour, coupled that with cold temperatures, it could be a rough weekend ahead for millions. >> it's like alaska.
>> reporter: even bringing a rare snow event to places like texas where it wreaked havoc on the roads, and in seattle some football fans had a bit of fun, but for others in the northwest it meant headaches. >> it's a sheet of ice with a thin layer of water. >> it's pretty much impossible to get out. >> reporter: from slippery sidewalks in utah to whiteout conditions in north dakota, but for snow removal workers in iowa, there's an upside. >> it's 50% of our business. >> reporter: turning deadly on the roads in sweden, new york, on friday, and one man died after losing control of his suv in whiteout conditions. earlier the same system caused the deadly highway crashes in ohio, michigan, and pennsylvania. >> we have a report of a 10 to 15-car pileup. >> reporter: snow will continue to be a threat across the great lakes region this weekend.
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because of statements like this about minimum wage. what do you think the reaction will be moving forward? >> it's riled up the left certainly. we know he doesn't support a substantial raise in the minimum wage, and opposed over time rules for fast-food workers, and he talked about replacing people with robots because they are nice and don't ask for vacation, and you talk about the carl jr. ads and how they are racy, and now on the right we found out yesterday in the yahoo news report that he had in 2013 when comprehensive immigration reform was going through, he spoke out in favor of it saying legalizing folks here was the right thing to do and all the pressure of
coming up with better border security was a republican concern is not something that should be paid attention to in the business perspective, and that's going to alarm some on the right. >> seems like this may not be consistent at least with those that brought the president-elect to the white house come february, and that's the idea of the ethic. >> richard, what is interesting about what beth just said is that, yes, they are not advocating for the minimum wage, and yes, we are going to see a much more conservative administration coming in, and it sounds like his pick for labor secretary might be a mixed bag of nuts. he said things about the minimum wage, just like the comments about robots being more polite,
and what is interesting, the people that elected donald trump, a lot of them are working class and would be affected by the policies, and it will be interesting to see how it will play out, and how will he approach the minimum wage, if you are advocating for having robots controlling these people, controlling these restaurants, it's going to be a hard thing to go into an administration and starting with so many negative headlines and how they are going to play out. >> and the reality is, robots working at fast-food locations, and we are a couple generations from what is required to make that happen, but makes for a good conversation. let's talk about secretary clinton re-emerging on capitol hill and taking note of the fake news that we have been reporting and talking about, and it is suggesting here that in her
statement that it had an influence on the presidential campaign. let's listen to what she said. >> it's not clear that so-called fake news can have real world consequences. it's not about partisanship or politics, but lives could be at risk. >> secretary clinton reflecting on what happened in washington, d.c., beth, which you know very well, and does it surprise you that she eluded to it and this was a farewell for harry reid but did get in the topic of fakes news and how it influences voting. >> she was referring to a fake news article suggested that allies of hillary clinton and perhaps hillary clinton herself was running a child sex ring out
of the restaurant and a fellow drove up to north carolina to investigate the situation and fired his gun in the restaurant, and her name was attached to the fake news stories that prompted this incident and that's what she was talking about. the fake news, richard, we are talking about that so much right now and it's important thing to talk about, this notion that people are sitting at computers in macedonia or something, publishing fake news that we are all falling for on the fake news feeds. we are starting to suggest that a lot of news out there is not to be believed, and trump tweeted about his connection to the "celebrity apprentice," and donald trump called it fake news, and there's going to be a weapon to physically not take anything seriously that is ever published. >> what is your thought about our discussion on fake news,
kate, are we finally hitting a point of news consumerism where we need to distinguish between established news stories but are not? >> it's such an interesting point that, yes, as the fake news goes orbgs it's going to start coinciding with a line with donald trump, and donald trump supporters, he tweets something off, and he can start making these comments, so fake news is going to start being equated with the mainstream liberal media, and if we are going to see this play out, but the problem with fake news, yes, if people are just seeing a headline on facebook, i saw an interview with the "washington post" saying there are not many views on the actual site, that a lot of it are on facebook and people are sharing and
commenting about it with their friends and not clicking on it. it's going to be interesting how does facebook handle it in the future and will they be able to prevent this in future elections and it will be interesting to see how it plays out. >> i will focus on the non-fake news from you both. thank you for stopping by today. >> thank you. dr. ben carson said he did not want to be part of the trump administration, and one housing advocate says it's scary that carson has been nominated to head up hud. little dakota's nose was quivering in fear.
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carson said his mother kept them out of public housing to avoid danger, and we have the former commission of housing under president obama. that you were one of the first to congratulate carson, and he didn't feel like he was qualified. what is your sense? what do you think brings him to the table as being qualified for this job? >> it's interesting, if you look back at hud secretaries going back through the decades and it's rare to find somebody leading hud with housing experience, and i think jack kemp is well known, but i challenge anybody to try and think hud secretaries that walked in with that kind of experience, so i don't think that on its own is a
disqualifier. >> what do you think does qualify him, though? >> you want somebody who is going to be focused on housing, who is going to have leadership skills and at least has the ability to pick up this information quickly. i am going with the view that, you know, we have a new president come into the white house and he has the ability to pick his cabinet to run these various posts, and barring something outrageous, they are going to get confirmed. dr. carson, he's a medal of freedom winner, and he was chair of neurological surgery, pediatric surgery at johns hopkins university, a very complex department and won one of the highest awards that very few have won. >> some of the critics including
pelosis and t pelosis and others have made concerns known? >> dr. carson clearly communicated to me his commitment to help with hud to lift people out of challenging situations, and get them into safe sustainable housing. i encourage you to keep in mind hud supports multi-family and single family and health care nursing homes and help provide financing for all those vehicles and have grant dollars. here's a guy that did grow up in a poor family, and had over two dozen brothers and sisters and a mom that gave birth at age 13, and you are walking in with somebody who has the academic skills to consume a lot of
information, and he has leadership skills proven through some of the posts he has had, and give the guy the chance to do the job because this president is going to pick his cabinet and we have a history of other hud secretaries have not had -- >> don't look at experience but look at skills for this position. what do you think he should do day one? we have communities which, again, dr. carson knows well, like detroit, like baltimore, like ferguson, where house something a very important issue. what should he do day one to help to fix those important places across our country? >> hud is a very complex agency to run, by the way, so he's coming in with a big task on his hand. i would highlight a couple of things, and first i think he needs to surround himself with the talented people in the
deputy secretary rolls, and the assistant secretary rolls that will have to go through confirmation. second, i think he has to have a clear vision for hud that has to be stated, to your point, he is coming in with not lot of experience but is coming in with leadership, and he needs to focus on the right outcomes and we need to give confidence from lenders and realtors having financial concerns, and think of flint where you have intersections between health and housing affecting communities and i am hoping dr. carson can bring his medical skills and experience growing newspaper a poor family to focus on the communities in need, and he has an opportunity to do so, and i
am saying give this guy a chance to take his academic ability and other leadership roles he had in the past. >> it's complex times in the housing market, no doubt. thank you, david stevens, for stopping by on a saturday. appreciate it. in a moment, the chilling words of dylann roof, and why he felt compelled to kill african-americans. >> well, i had to do it because somebody had to do something. ♪ gaviscon is a proven heartburn remedy that gives you fast-acting, long-lasting relief. it immediately neutralizes acid and only gaviscon helps keep acid down for hours. for fast-acting, long-lasting relief, try doctor-recommended gaviscon.
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weather, and lake-effect snow could add up to three feet around lake erie. after a dramatic and emotional week, south carolina jurors head for the first time the confession of dillylann roo. here's nbc's gabe gutierrez with more. >> reporter: dylann roof chuckled as he recalls the horror at the church. now for the first time a look at what prosecutors showed jurors on the third day of roof's federal trial where he is accused of 33 counts, including hate crimes. he told fbi agents the trayvon martin case woke him up and -- >> what i did is so miniscule of
what they do to white people every day. >> he thought it would chose this because he thought it would resonate. when the bloodshed was over, he quietly walked out, gun in hand. >> there was nobody out there. >> he was adding if officers had been waiting for him, he would have shot himself. police arrested him in a traffic stop and he was surprised when he was told nine church members died. >> you were under the assumption you killed four or five people, right? >> yes, that's true. >> but your numbers doubled, it was nine. >> and officers found a journal with a swastika inside saying, i would love if there was a race war. roof's defense team is to avoid
the death penalty. after roof's confession he told the 21-year-old his plan to start a race war did not work and the people of charleston were coming together, and his last words to roof, you failed. gabe gutierrez, nbc news. >> thank you for that. joining us now a state senator and msnbc political analyst. the questions i might ask when we see that happening, and we also understood based on what is reporting from the law center, and where we are at and where we are going, because when we look at pictures like this it is -- it is absolutely horrifying to even remember that particular incident. >> it is, richard. it's gut wrenching and chilling and trying to hold back the tears just now listening to how and watching how dylann roof was
cold-blooded and calculated, and it was deliberate, and for somebody as young as he is, really believed it was okay to try and start a race war and okay to walk into a church, and it's never okay to gun innocent people down for any reason, but to go to the place of worship and be welcomed into that place, and then to shoot nine people and just have such a cavalier attitude about it is chilling in every way. it reminds me of the 1915 birth of a nation really depicted a lot of things dylann roof was saying about blacks and how many they kill, and most crimes are interracial and he didn't have his facts right, and that incident set this country back in so many ways, and he didn't get what he was looking for, but
we seed of hate ingested into this country, and we have to address that and it's bigger than dylann roof. >> i want to talk about a high-profile case, and you have been talking about it yourself, and monday the judge declared a mistrial of the officer that killed al black man. >> when i first got inside the courtroom, you know, i came in with a very open mind, you know, and so often times due to my color i was going to go and do x, y, and z, and when we got in there, my made a judgment based
on factual -- >> he said he did it to separate race from justice, and do you agree with that approach the way he is saying he addressed this issue? >> well, i certainly don't want to second-guess him. he and his colleagues sat on that jury and heard evidence that many of us are not privy to, and the perception and public opinion, seeing the officer shoot him in the back, it doesn't make a lot of sense, and don't believe your lying eyes, and it's how do we rebuild the trust and accountability and transparency that is necessary for law enforcement officers to do their jobs. there is no doubt, that camera is not lying, and walter scott was shot in the back, richard, and yet we have a mistrial in
this case, and it just kind of defies not only logic, it defies the emotions that are being whipped up, the emotions people are feeling over this kind of case and cases like this in this country. >> you said with regard to emotions, you felt numb all over, you said it's the ton of bricks one feels on their heart and head knowing we have been here before. that's what you tweeted when you heard about this. can you tell us more about what is going through your mind? >> yeah, richard. in this country, the history and legacy of racism and discrimination, the fact that i think, you know, the urban both ice cube said it best, our skin is our sin. the whole notion that african-americans are somehow more criminal than anybody else, and black on black crime is a false equivalency, most violent crimes -- nobody likes violence. african-americans are not saying
bring more violence to our community, and i served as a councilwoman and i walked the community with my elders that have a deep-seeded respect for law enforcement, but at the same time are asking for justice and accountability. in this country, african-americans, for the most part and i am talking about implicit biases, and many people in the country hold when it comes to that african-americans and other people of color that the shadow of skin is still there, and so there was no surprise. nobody was surprised in the african-american community that this police officer got away with it. richard, we have to do something about it. it was a ton of bricks and it's still heavy on our hearts and minds. what do people have to do in this country to prove -- to prove that we are equal to anybody else in this country, that we love like everybody else in the country, and we want justice like everybody else in their country?
how many mothers have to lose their sons -- i'm not just talking about police officers here, but we would not be america today without african-americans. just everybody, conscience-mined people are tired of this. walter scott was shot in the back. i mean, really. >> when you think about hope in 2017, 2013, '14, '15 and '16 were tough years on this topic. what do you hope will change in leadership about how you can start to remove some of the bricks? >> we have to come together and we have to speak truth, and confess our since, racialism is in the dna of america and get down to understanding somebody else's experience and treating everybody as equals, but that is a conversation, that is
america's burden. leaders carry a heavier burden, but it's everybody's burden from the corner store to the white house, we all carry that burden of making sure that we come together and get a deeper understanding, but first confessing that racism and discrimination exist. >> nina turner from the great city of cleveland. thank you for stopping by. always a pleasure. >> thank you. the power of donald trump's tweets, why corporate america could be concerned about his character comments. and it was a pizza place that became the target of a fake news attack, but there's plenty of blame to go around.
we're going to invest a new state of the art innovation center in michigan, and we are going to put a center in place. >> the detroit news reporting this move will generate 100 new jobs for the state there. joining us is rick newman, a columni columnist. what is your reflection? will we see this being repeated by fortune 100 companies saying we will keep jobs in america and create jobs in america. >> i don't think that's easy miles per hour the skeptic in me wonders if the company was already planning this and decided to jump on trump's rally and get publicity for creating new jobs. i think we should start by perhaps giving donald trump a little credit for focusing something is that a little bit of a problem, and the offshoring
of jobs is a real problem and he clearly has been true to his word so far by focusing on it, and president obama may be saying, man, maybe i should have thought about it. we end up with a policy with trump sort of selectively picking off companies, and probably looking for areas where we could get in, and make a deal, as he loves to say, and then find a way to declare victory in some public way. but we have to watch what is happening underneath. >> one of those things we need to watch are the bilateral trade agreements, those going by the wayside. >> i think there's lot of other things going on that we are not talking about, such as new technology and automation. and the manufacturing jobs, do we get more of them or not get more of them?
it's quite possible -- trump could do this for four years and the number of manufacturing jobs could still decline because the one thing he is not focusing on is automation, and there's more incentive to find machines and other tools that can do the job cheaper than workers can. companies have been doing this for years and they will continue to do it, and it's easy for trump to rail at the chinese for taking jobs, but it's not easy to rail at robots. are we going to get more manufacturing jobs or is the trend going to continue as they decline. >> why is only manufacturing being number two -- >> because that's what trump is focussing on. manufacturing employment in the -- manufacturing production has continued to go up. we make more stuff than we used
to but with fewer workers. that tells you, maybe the work is not going to china but it's the jobs going away and a lot of them being replaced by machines. >> we have what is happening on the ground operational, and we have what is happening with trade deals and then we have what is happening in the stock market, and the stock market going, we love what is happening right now. 20,000 is the number we thought might happen in 2016, and it's maybe going to happen in 2017. >> what the markets are trying to figure out is just how much of a boost our corporate earnings, and how much of a boost are they going to get from what trump said he wants to do. the thing he wants to do is big tax cuts and rolling back regulations. the markets are trying to guess where it's all -- markets are trying to guess what is going to be happening in a couple of months. we have had a lot of people analyzing saying we think there's room to run in the stock market, and don't take it as a
predecktion from me because i will be proved wrong on monday, but the rally could still have legs. >> normally the market likes surety, not stuff that is not predictable, and there are headlines and reporting that says, hey, corporate america, not feeling so good about what the future might bring in 2017 because they don't have any data, but the market is saying something totally different? >> there's no such thing as certainty in the markets. we have more on certainty than we have had in a long time because of the populist movements happening here in the united states and other countries, and the market with tax cuts over certainty without the tax cuts, and that's what is happening right now. >> yeah, the tax plan, a lot of folks watching that. president-elect trump wants to make america great again, but two say he could threaten the
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