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somehow something will happen just to extend -- they're not even praying for cures most of the time. those of you who are doctors in the audience, how many times have you heard someone say, doc, give me three more weeks so i can walk her down the aisle or give me another two months, this is my first granbaby, i want to see him or her born. it's all a matter of hours, days, weeks, months. this is going to accelerate exponentially, in my view, the kinds of efforts we can make right now, things that are at our disposal right now, to extend life. ladies and gentlemen, i believe president obama and my colleagues in the senate, as i said, both parties, are motivated by the same commitment that after whom moonshot was named. president kennedy talked about going to the moon. problem is, there's only one moon and 200-some cancers. here's what he said. here's what he said. he said, we are unwilling to
postpone. we all here are unwilling to postpone. and unwilling to postpone another minute, another day, in doing what we know is within our grasp. it shows the government at its best, mr. president, and shows our politics can still come together to do big, consequential things for the american people. i see my friend, senator hatch, who i worked with for years and years, stood up. all junior senators, senior senators, everyone came together. so, jill and i are proud to stand beside you, mr. president, as you sign this last law of our administration. proud to have served with you, mr. president and your absolute commitment to changing the way in which we deal with our health care system. it's making -- it's going to make a big difference. and this particular bill is going to allow people to live, live longer and live healthier. and, so, most of all, mr. president, i think it gives people hope.
so, ladies and gentlemen, i always kid the president that when he asks me -- when he asks me to join him on the ticket and my daughter came home at lunch, she's a social worker and she said, did he call? did he call? i said, yes. she said, yes, didn't you, daddy? i said, yes, of course i did. she said, this is wonderful. you know how you're always quoting about hope and history rhyming? i said, yeah. she said, this is hope and history. i'm history, here's hope. ladies and gentlemen -- >> thank you. >> thank you. thank you, everybody. thank you. thank you so much. thank you so much. thank you very much. have a seat. thank you so much. well, welcome to the white
house, everyone. it's december, so it's holiday time around here. and we thought it was a good occasion to have one more party. and this is a celebration worth having. i want to, first of all, thank joe biden and jill biden, and their entire family, who have been such extraordinary friends to us. and what a fitting way for us to be able to signify our partnership as our time together comes to an end. it makes me feel very good. i want to thank david and kate grubb for sharing their family story. as david said, we have a lot in common. nothing more than the love of our children, our daughters. you know, when i first met them in charleston, their story was,
unfortunately, more common than we would have liked. and i indicated a number of the people on this stage are people who have gone through tough times or have seen their loved ones suffer, either because of opioid addiction or because of cancer, who have bravely shared their story and channeled their passion into increasing the urgency all of us feel around this issue. and so, more than anything, this is a testimony to them and an extraordinary commemoration of those that they've loved. so, we're very grateful to them. please give them a big round of applause.
[ applause ] we're joined by a whole bunch of members of congress today. and it is wonderful to see how well democrats and republicans in the closing days of this congress came together around a common cause. [ applause ] and i think it indicates the power of this issue. and how deeply it touches every family across america. you know, over the last eight years, one of my highest priorities as president has been to unleash the full force of american innovation to some of the biggest challenges that we face. that meant restoring science to its rightful place, it meant funding the research and development that's always kept
america on the cutting edge. it's meant investing in clean energy that's created a steady stream of good jobs and helped america become the world's leader in combating climate change, it meant investing in the medical breakthroughs that have the power to cure disease and help all of us live healthier, longer lives. so, i started the 2016 state of the union address by saying, we might be able to surprise some cynics and deliver bipartisan action on the opioid epidemic. and in that same speech, i put joe in charge of mission control on a new cancer moonshot. and today with the 21st century cures act, we're making good on both of those efforts. we are bringing to reality the
possibility of new breakthroughs to some of the greatest health challenges of our time. joe's already indicated some of the scope of the bill, but let me repeat it because it's worth repeating. first this legislation's going to combat the heroine and prescription opioid epidemic ravaging too many families across the country. this is an epidemic that can touch anybody. blue collar, white collar, college students, retirees, kids, moms, dads. i've had the chance to meet people from every stage of recovery who are working hard to sustain the progress they're making. and i've met parents like the grubbs, who work tirelessly to help a child struggling with addiction. it could not be clearer that those of us called upon to lead this country have a duty on their behalf, that we have to
stand by them. that all too often they feel as if they're fighting this fight alone instead of having the community gather around them and give them the resources and the access and the support that they need. so, today i could not be prouder that this legislation takes up the charge i laid down in my budget, to provide $1 billion in funding so that americans who want treatment can get started on the path to recovery and don't have to drive six hours to do it. it is the right thing to do. [ applause ] >> and families are ready for the support. >> second, the cures act provides a decade's worth of support for two innovative nic e initiatives for my administration. the first is the brain initiative, which we believe
will revolutionize human mind. when i sign this into law will give researchers new resources to help identify ways to treat, cure, and potentially prevent brain disorders like alzheimer's and epilepsy, traumatic brain injury and more. and we're also going to support what we've called our position -- our precision medicine initiative. an effort we started to use data to help modernize research and accelerate discoveries so that treatment and health care can be tailored specifically to individual patients. this spring with the help of this legislation, the national institutes of health, plans to launch a ground-breaking research cohort inviting americans from across the country to participate to support the scientific breakthroughs of tomorrow. number three, the cures act improoufs mental health care. [ applause ]
it includes bipartisan reforms to address serious mental illness. it takes steps to make sure mental health and substance use disorders are treated fairly by insurance companies, building on the work of my presidential task force, and it reauthorizizes meaningful suicide prevention organizations. many reforms were aligned with our administration's work to improve our criminal justice system. helping us enhance data collection and take steps so we're not necessarily incarcerating folks who actually need mental health assistance. fourth, we're building on the fda's work to modernize clinical trial design. so that we're updating necessary rules and regulations to protect consumers so that they're taken into account this genetic biotech age. we're making sure the patients' voices are incorporated into the drug development process.
and finally, the cures act invests in a breakthrough effort that we've been calling the vice president's cancer moonshot. and i think the senate came up with a better name, when they named it after beau biden. [ applause ] >> joe said, beau loved me. i loved him back. and like many of you, i believe that the united states of america should be the country that ends cancer once and for all. we're already closer than a lot of folks think. and this bill will bring us even closer, investing in promising new therapies, developing vaccines, and improving cancer detection and prevention. ultimately, will help us reach our goal of getting a decade's worth of research in half the time. as joe said, that time counts.
in this effort, joe biden has rallied not just congress, but he has rallied a tremendous collection of researchers and doctors, philanthropists, patients. he's showing us that with the right investment and the ingenuity of the american people, to quote him, there isn't anything we can't do. so, i'd like everybody to just please join me in thanking what i consider to be the finest vice president in history. [ applause ] joe biden. [ applause ] >> go ahead and embarrass joe. go ahead. [ cheers and applause ]
>> so, we're tackling cancer, brain disease, substance use disorders and more. and none of this work would have been possible without bipartisan cooperation in both houses of congress. a lot of people were involved, but some folks deserve a special shoutout, that includes senators alexander and senators murphy. [ applause ] representatives upton, pallone and degette. and green. [ applause ]
and, of course, we couldn't have gotten across the finish line without the leadership of nancy pelosi and steny hoyer, who are here. [ applause ] as well as leaders from both houses, speaker ryan, leaders mcconnell and reid, and senator patty murray. not to mention all the members of congress who are sitting here that i can't name, otherwise i'm going to be here too long and i will never sign the bill. but you know who you are. i want to thank all of you on behalf of the american people for this outstanding work. these efforts build on the work that we've done to strengthen our health care system over the last eight years, covering preexisting conditions, expanding coverage for mental health and substance use disorders, helping more than 20 million americans know the security of health insurance,
thanks to the affordable care act, it means they have access to some of the services that are needed. i'm hopeful that in the years ahead, congress keeps working together in a bipartisan fashion to moves forward rather than backward and support the health of our people. because these are gains that have made a real difference for millions of americans. so, this is a good day. it's a bittersweet day. i think it's important to acknowledge that it's not easy for -- for the grubbs to come up here and talk about jesse. it's not easy for joe and jill, i know, to talk about beau. joe mentioned my mother, who died of cancer. she was 2 1/2 years younger than i am today when she passed away.
and so, it's not always easy to remember, but being able to honor those we've lost in this way and to know that we may be able to prevent other families from feeling that same loss, that makes it a good day. and i'm confident that it will lead to better years and better lives for millions of americans, the work that you've done. that's what we got sent here for. and it's not always what we do. it's a good day to see us doing our jobs. so, with that, i think it's time for me to sign this bill into law. gather around here. get over here. get close. all right.
those of you who have not attended this before, i have to use all these pens. >> you're watching president obama signing what is known as the 21st century cures act. you just heard him describe it. this is legislation that funds a range of things from cancer research to mental health to efforts to prevent heroine and opioid abuse, accelerates the fda process for trying to get new medicines on the market. my colleague, chris jansing, is at the white house for us this afternoon as he signs this piece of legislation. chris, with just 39 days left in office, this is kind of a rare bill. it had a lot of support on both sides of the aisle. give us the back story. what does it do and what led up to its passage, chris? >> reporter: i think it's appropriate to say this is something of a minor miracle in this day when this there is so much division here in
washington, that there was sweeping bipartisan support for this really exceptional bill that both sides considered to be a major accomplishment for the health and the future of all americans. $6.3 billion, the last bill the president will sign. and i just want to touch on a few of the things we heard from the president. fighting opioid addiction, drug abuse, as you well know, kate, because you've covered this in-depth, now claims more lives in the united states than car accidents. the cancer moonshot, is there any family in america that has not felt directly or through friends the pain of losing a loved one to cancer? you heard vice president bind, who lost his son beau, trying to gain hours, days, weeks, months. now on cocologists believe we'rt a turning point in cancer research.
that it can be beaten. so, this devotes $1 billion to that. the brain mapping he mentioned to cure alzheimer's, epilepsy, traumatic brain injury. and even in the controversy, which is probably the most controversial part of this bill, the fda drug development reform, which some people say it makes too many concessions to pharmaceutical companies. there was concern by people like bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. there is, no doubt, there is a belief that there are things that can be put into place to get drugs to market more quickly. the senate voted on this 94-5. the house passed it 392-26. when you consider the animosity over the affordable care act, over obamacare, the idea they would pass legislation like this involving health care really is something extraordinary. and i think you saw it in the president's words and you heard it from him, this is personally very important to him. he and the first lady very close
to the bidens. they felt it very deeply, the death of beau. he lost his mother to cancer. but he also on the very first day of this administration talked about unleashing american innovation and technology to take on the challenges of health care in the 21st century. and so now in the waning days of his presidency, he's able to sign legislation that he and many of the people who are behind this believe will potentially save millions of lives. kate? >> chris jansing down at the white house. thanks so much. as that's happening, donald trump is having numerous meetings today working on his transition. one big announcement today about secretary of state. when we come back from a quick break, i'll talk to jason miller with the trump transition team.
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we've been tracking the latest in midtown manhattan. last i saw was mark burnett of "the apprentice" fame going in or out? >> reporter: yeah i haven't seen him but he's allegedly here. you mentioned kanye west but kanye tweeting he talked to the president-elect on multitude of issues. jim brown, who runs a tremendous community outreach program. i'm not sure why kanye was there separately. now you have it. on the cabinet front, rex tillerson, the president-elect's nominee for secretary of state, coming under fire from democrats in washington who say the ceo of exxon doesn't have the necessary foreign policy experience. it is worth noting some in the bush -- former bush administration, like bill gates, have said he would make an excellent secretary of state.
condoleeza rice also on that list. you mentioned some tech superstars, cap tins of industry, if you like. bill gates here as well. he spoke to the president-elect, we understand, about innovation. he did briefly stop by the sort of press pool on his way by. take a listen. >> just a quick comment. we had a good conversation about innovation, how it can help in health, education, impact of foreign aid and energy, and a wide ranging conversation about the power of innovation. thank you. >> reporter: i said bill gates earlier. secretary of defense gates, who weighed in for rex tillerson. the other name that is on the tip of everyone's tongue today, rick perry, governor rick perry from texas, could be the pick for secretary of energy. we understand that from the trump camp, but there has been no official announcement. we asked the camp about it this morning. they said to, quote, stay tuned. if history is any indication,
and history being the past few weeks, the president-elect likes to make dramatic announcements in front of crowds. perhaps we'll see that tonight. he's on his way to wisconsin. >> thanks so much. a lot of news to cover when it comes to the president-elect today. let's bring in a member of his team, jason mirl is the communications director for trump transition. nice to see you. i want to start with the big news cal mentioned, the big announcement today of secretary of state rex tillerson being the nominee. by our count, at least four republican senators on capitol hill today out with statements saying they're not ready to vote for him. they have some concerns or questions. the senate could block his nomination, as you know, with a simple majority, with 51 votes. any concern he might not make it through the confirmation process? >> well, everybody goes through the confirmation process. i think what we're going to see with mr. tillerson is here is someone who has a deep understanding of the geopolitical and financial systems of countries and regions all around the world. we talk about his work in the middle east, talk about his work
in russia, in south america, in southeast asia. there isn't a region of the country where rex tillerson doesn't have a deep understanding of the people, why they do what they do, why they think what they do, and he has the experience of actually working with him. might not be the government leaders in every place or it could be the finance ministers or the business leaders who in many cases have actually outlived certain administrations and regimes and had the opportunity last night to speak with rex. we spoke for about 45 minutes or an hour to go through things. the way he understands every region of the world is really quite fascinating. he's someone who understands the threat of radical islamic terrorism. someone who stood up to dictators like chavez. someone who looked mr. .in the face and said no and also found ways to work with him. >> there's where some of the criticism is coming from, right, is his cozy relationship, some say, with vladimir putin. and just to go back to my question. you say everyone goes through the process, the nomination and confirmation process. to my question, do you think he'll struggle to be confirmed?
>> no. we think mr. tillerson is -- first of all, the president-elect wouldn't have picked him if he wasn't that excited by him. the president-elect brought a number of folks in front of him and mr. tillerson jumped off from the very first meeting. he was someone who was very impressive in person. his bio speaks for itself, all the work he's done around the world. when we talk about getting back to making good deals, not just bilateral deals, that the country will be entering into or renegotiating, tillerson is someone who has done that on the international stage. >> president-elect was supposed to hold a press conference, i believe, thursday, right, of this week about his family business, about how things would work in a trump administration in terms of the corporation side of donald trump. you've postponed that, right? he said last night in a tweet they're going to postpone the press conference. why? >> it takes a while to get everything in order as we make that transition from mr. trump being one of the most successful businessmen on the planet to being the leader of the free world. and we talk about the numbers of businesses. it's not like selling a stock.
i mean, you can't just go and say, here's a real estate development or here's a skyscraper, we're just going to go ahead and put it on the market -- >> will he putting some of it on the market? >> he'll move away from the business and i'll let the lawyers and accountants do that. that's my punt on thap. he's making sure he does it right. the american people who he voted for, a successful businessman. there's so much to go through. takes a little time to get it right. i think people would rather have him get it right than rush through it. >> when will that press conference be, do you know? >> i expect an announcement in january. that's what the president-elect has said, before he's sworn in -- >> that will be a press conference, to put a point on it, because he hasn't had one since, when, july? >> i expect we'll have a press conference at some point here. he's certainly in front of the press and taking plenty of questions all the time. so, he's -- >> occasionally. occasionally stopping by in the lobby. >> lots of folks have opportunities to sit down with him. he's -- i mean, he's one of the most -- >> we would welcome it here at
any time. >> political figures we've seen in our lifetimes. >> there are some prominent republicans that are supporting tillerson. james baker, condoleeza rice, robert gates, former secretary of state, and all have ties to exxonmobil. i wonder because trump ran as an outsider, someone who didn't want to be beholden to special interests. there are critics saying, wait a minute, this guy is the biggest special interest he there is. he's the gas and oil industrying taking over secretary of state. >> let's talk about exxonmobil being one of the largest companies on the entire planet. when we talk about in world stage rex tillerson has been on, this is where he's playing. you mentioned dick cheney, condoleeza rice, bob gates, those people who have stepped up and supported him. i think you'll see democrats who have something positive to say about tillerson. let's talk about the person with rex tillerson as well. not just figuratively but literally a boy scout.
someone who led the national boy scouts for a decade. mean, this is someone who has put his life's work on the line and really does a lot to help people. so, between that and submissions work in africa. this is someone who's been a pillar of the community. >> rick perry, energy secretary. i know you're not confirming that yet but our sources say that's going to happen. people may not realize what the department of energy does. 60% of the budget goes toward regulating nuclear, the nuclear industry. there are research labs, as you know, there's a human genome project falls under energy. he has said in the past he would dismantle or get rid of the department. are you planning to dismantle the department of energy? >> well, i would expect the first thing we haven't made the announcement on that particular position. we're big fans of governor perry. he's someone when leading the state of texas helped with the texas energy revival, the economic revival we saw there. we haven't -- >> whoever it is, will you dismantle the department as it is now? >> we haven't made any comments or plans as specific agencies.
one thing we've seen from the president-elect so far is he won't be shy calling out -- whether it's taxpayer fraud or abuse or certain deals put together that aren't doing right by the taxpayers. we saw it as he started calling out specific examples. that's what taxpayers can count on, he won't be shy. quite frankly, that's part of the reason why people voted for him. >> let me ask you about kanye west who made an appearance at trump tower. e! news is reporting that he and the president-elect discussed him becoming, quote, an ambassador of sorts. what do you know? >> well, this is one of the -- again, one of the neat things about the president-elect. let's talk about the caliber of people that came into trump tower today. bill gates, former nfl legend jim brown, kanye west, just the -- some of the biggest and brightest -- >> i'm asking is kanye west going to be an ambassador of sorts? >> i think he has a lot of different things he can help out with. the president-elect is pretty creative when he finds ways to put people to use. i think it's more an ambassador
into a number of different communities and, obviously, we've seen mr. west has a pretty huge social media reach. i'll leave that to the president-elect. i wouldn't want to step on his toes. i'm just wondering how come i didn't get invited to the meeting. >> you weren't in there? >> i wasn't in there. that was a bummer. >> jason miller, appreciate you coming in. director of communications for the trump transition. coming up, developing news out of aleppo where civilians trapped in the besieged syrian city will now be allowed to evacuate. we get all the details after a quick break.
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the battle for aleppo may be nearing the end. a cease-fire has been reached that would allow civilians and fighters trapped in the besieged city to evacuate starting at 5:00 a.m. wednesday, local time. this comes after many civilians were killed by syrian forces in what the united nations called a complete meltdown of humanity. we've been following all this. we're joined with more.
it's not the first time we've heard the words cease-fire and aleppo. is this one for real? >> actually, you know, i think it's probably safe not to even use the word cease-fire, to give us a contrast of what we've used in the past. this is more of an evacuation of civilians living there. the russian envoy essentially saying the syrian government and russian military were going to cease operations in aleppo. essentially indicating that the government has reclaimed all of the parts of aleppo they wanted to go after. there may be a few enclaves but for the most part, that's what they meant by a cease-fire. this is not some u.n. brokered agreement or some u.n./u.s./russia deal that's been reached. what we understand from activists and turkish government telling reuters, they're hoping they can create a conduit for these rebels and families, including women and children, to leave the eastern part of aleppo and make their way to another rebel stronghold in the city of
idlib. that's expected to take place wednesday morning at 5:00 a.m. local time. that's not confirmed by syrian government but that's what u.n. officials are saying they're hoping to achieve. >> which would be such better news than what we heard when we came in this morning. first thing i heard is there were forces going door to door and killing people. executing people. >> these are some of the reports we're getting from activists on the ground that we haven't independently verified. the u.n. is coming out and saying this. this is not something the u.n. has been able to independently verify. they're eting these accounts. we're seeing people tweets of what's happening, barrel bombs falling again, buildings being reduced to rubble. unicef saying they have accounts of up to 100 families, women and children, trapped in the rubble of these buildings. they're calling on syria and russia to give u.n. access to assess the situation on the ground. you're right, we're getting reports of men being executed in homes and being separated from their families as they try to
evacuate this area. it is a very dire situation. in fact, you know, there's an account by this woman and her daughter, and they've been tweeting -- >> i was going to ask you about that. how old is she? >> she's 7 years old. you see her tweets. she's 7 years old talking to the world live from east aleppo. this was the last tweet we heard saying, this is my last moment to either live or die. her mother tweeted out last night as well saying she couldn't believe she's still alive based on everything that she's hearing. so, it's accounts like that we're getting that we're getting a grim description. >> we don't know how they are. >> we haven't heard from them in the last couple of hours. if they're able to re-establish a connection, i'm sure a lot of journalists will tweet out to the world. >> thank you so much. let's take a closer look at what the choice of rex tillerson as secretary of state might mean for america's foreign policy and our dealings with the world. joining me now is thomas wright, foreign policy fellow at brookings institution, along with steven, former state department ambassador at large, responsible for russia policy
under president clinton, now a senior fellow at the council on foreign relations. gentlemen, thank you for being here. appreciate it. tom, let me start with you. what does the selection of tillerson tell us about donald trump, the president-elect's world view? >> well, i think rex tillerson is a type of person donald trump would have chosen if he wanted to try to cut a deal with vladimir putin and with other major countries. he sort of rejected the people, the typical foreign policy experience or have a track record on american foreign policy and went for somebody who he saw sort of as a pragmatic businessman who could sis down one-on-one with some of these other leaders. and that, i think, is the advantage for him, but it's also the problem because it sort of raises the possibility that donald trump may see america's alliances and commitments as tradeable assets to be negotiated away with russia or with china as he sort of indicated on sunday in his comment with the taiwanese
president's call. i think this nomination raises serious questions. not about rex tillerson, per se, as a person, but how he fits into donald trump's foreign policy and what the trump administration will look to accomplish in the coming year. >> steve, you've spent a lot time studying russia. what do you make particularly about the russian component here? tom just brought it up, the idea he has these close, close ties to vladimir putin. >> yeah, i think the question here, the problem that mr. tillerson's going to face in his confirmation is not just whether he's a pal or putin's or received a medal from him. there's going to be a sharp focus on the question of conflict of interest because mr. tillerson's company had to put one of its biggest projects on hold, biggest projects in russia and worldwide, on hold because of sanctions the united
states and its allies imposed on russia due to its aggression in ukraine. the issue is going to be can he approach this issue in an open-minded way, understanding all of america's interests or will he be swayed by the particular material interest that he and his company have in getting sanctions lifted. >> right. if those sanctions were lifted, exxon would stand to make a boatload of money, right? >> a boatload. the estimates run as high as $500 billion in that project. so, this is not small change. and senators will be asked to, you know, to vouch for a guy who's, by all accounts, a boy scout personally, but who is going to be unavoidably looking at a huge material and personal gain from a decision that he might make as secretary of state. >> i would like to try to get to
a couple other regions of the world. of all the cabinet selections, tillerson seems to be the most idealogically opposed to iran. others have different points of view. he said in an interview earlier this year on cnbc, he said exxon would certainly take a look at investing in iran because, quote, it's a huge resource-owning country. where do you see iran and the u.s. relationship with iran playing out? >> yeah, iran was always going to be one of the most difficult issues for the trump administration that would divide them internally. president-elect trump has said he wants to basically pardon with russia in syria, even though that would empower iran in syria. most of his cabinet appointments are opposed to that and want to take a much tougher line. rex tillerson is part of that power struggle now. he presumably will be more on trump's side of being cautious about pressing iran. but i think these are sort of issues that are going to have to
resolve very early in the administration, but there's really no indication where they're going to come out at the moment. >> steve, china, over the weekend trump suggested he could throw away the one china policy in an interview he did on fox news sunday. china reacted yesterday expressing serious concern over those comments. i wonder china and more broadly, what you think the world looks like under a trump administration? >> well, you know, the issue for when you pick a ceo as secretary of state is whether you're picking somebody who's got a broader conception of american interests. we've had business people in high positions before, secretary of state, secretary of defense. nobody without prior government experience, though. and, of course, we're looking at the same thing with the president. so, the issue is going to be whether you're talking about china, russia, iran, other
areas, how the business interests are brought to bear in trying to advance a much broader set of national interests. in the case of china, you know, the chinese are trying to wrestle with this question as to whether or not this is going to be -- the united states is just going to approach china policy as a business problem, whether there is -- how geopolitical competition is going to factor into it. when they look at rex tillerson, they don't see anything that gives them any clue on that front. >> thank you both for being with us. appreciate it so much. >> pleasure. >> thank you. up next, tensions running high in a pennsylvania courtroom where bill cosby and shiz lawyers are battling prosecutors to limit the number of accusers who will be able to testify at the comedian's upcoming sexual assault trial. we'll get a brief on that after the break. to do the best for your pet, you should know more about the food you choose.
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bill cosby back in court today. this is a pretrial hearing about whether 13 additional accusers should be allowed to testimony in his sex assault trial, now set for next summer. prosecutors want to call at kusers to show that cosby had a pattern of drugging and assaulting women. the defense is hoping to block all their testimony, arguing the other accusations are irrelevant to the original 2004 incident in this particular case. we should note cosby has denied all allegations of sexual assault and has only been charged in this one case. for more, i want to bring in msnbc chief legal correspondent ari melber. it's a story that i feel like we cover a lot on this show. we try to keep track of what's happening. last year, cosby was indicted on these allegations from 2004. help us understand the importance of the hearing today about whether 13 additional women could testify. >> this is the hearing and issue that could actually decide bill cosby's guilt or innocence.
that's because it will determine whether this is a he said/she said case or he said/they said case. in most criminal cases you cannot bring in accusers or evidence of other bad that is not the subject of the incident here. the 2004 incident. there is an exception to that and the prior. we will put it up on the screen when they allow it. they make evidence admissible for other purpose such as motive, opportunity, and intent and knowledge and identity. all of those are examples of things where instead of saying maybe this is a bad person, we found someone to say something negative, specifics go to the type of pattern of conduct alleged in the incident. >> you were talking about this and can they say all 13 or the judge can say no, just two or three or none? >> the answer can be zero to 13.
prosecutors want as many as possible. up to 13 women to tell their story. each of these women have details that support the kind of conduct here's one of the cases that goes in the prior bad act know they were in a weakened or compromised state. this was a gruesome case of someone saying i am your friend. this is the kind of they think is common wealth versus mason.
there is no disagreement with the sexual misconduct. that's not the point. the point is not whether they think this was bad, but does it go to the evidence of the underlying claim. the judge does not include that other allegation regarding the older foster sister. we always mention as did you in the lead, bill cosby denies all allegations and the reason you limit it is because it is prejudicial to the jury to hear too many things that won't be disproven at trial. >> tomorrow we think a judge might decide tomorrow? >> they decide to rule as early as tomorrow or later.
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>> what's your theory? >> my theory on the case is there is a lot of pain in this country. a lot of pain in wisconsin. for the last 40 years, the middle class has been disappearing. we have massive levels of income and wealth inequality in kenosha and wisconsin and vermont. companies shut down and moved to china and mexico, paying people a fraction of the wages they are paid in this country. there are enormous economic problems facing the middle class this this country. the media doesn't talk about them. most politicians don't talk about them. we are here today to have a frank discussion of where we
are, how we got here and where we will go in the future. >> that was former presidential candidate bernie sanders at a town hall in kenosha, wisconsin. i want to bring in senator nina turner and political analyst and supporter of bernie sanders. nice to see you again. after the election. we can finally breathe a bit. we heard sanders say trump's win was based on the economic anxiety in the middle class. you agree with him? >> i do. you saw it in, on higho, the state i am from. where president-elect trump won by eight percentage points. the struggle is very real and people are hurting and although the unemployment rate is down, the great recession, we are pulling out and crawling out by every measure, but when you talk to everyday people, they have to work two and jobs. >> they haven't felt it. >> they haven't. perception is reality. for most households, they have not felt it. >> senator sanders does not
believe that many trump supporters are racist and sexist. he thinks they voted for trump because he was anti-establishment. >> i agree with that. we know the data shows us the same people who voted for mr. trump voted for president obama both in 2008 and 2012. all of those folks cannot possibly be racist. that being said, it's an easy convenient narrative for us to point the finger at mr. trump. he is responsible for the native rhetoric. we have to solve this as americans. i encountered democrats. donald trump was anti-trade and
anti-tpp. with bernie sanders, how do you see it playing out in the trump administration. do you think trump does the things that your boss wanted to do? >> he is going to have to. the people who did vote for him, they voted for that type of change. he is going to have a day of reckoning. when you are in the seat, it's a different reality. mr. trump is going to have to come face-to-face with the reality. she oh,s it to the working poor and the barely middle class to follow-through on the promises he made. >> nina turner, always great to see you. hope you get time off around the holidays. >> you too. >> that is going to do it for me. i will see you back here at 3:00 eastern time. you can find me on snap chat and twitter. my colleague steve will pick up the coverage from here. >> good afternoon, everybody. live in new york, the countdown continues. 38 days now until donald trump
is sworn in as president. topping our agenda, picking a fight. >> the secretary of state is the person who should be recognized as the person who is a leader in terms of our security, our values and our interest. in terms of the president-elect's nomination, the coziness with vladimir putin is alarming and should have eliminated him, frankly. >> it's official, donald trump nominating exxon-mobil ceo rex tillerson as secretary of state setting off alarm bells with democrats and big name republicans as well. this is already shaping up as the first major brawl of the trump presidency and we will break it down for you. also on the agenda, role reversal. >> the president-elect indicated his intent if