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just a few moments. and 20 years later, new dna tests are now planned in the case that captivated this nation. will new technology lead to a break in the jonbenet ramsey case? also this morning developing, donald trump's pick for national security adviser michael flynn found to have been sharing secrets without permission back in 2010. i'll talk to the reporter who broke that investigation in just a few moments as well. up first this morning, that senate showdown, that potential showdown over the man who would be the country's top diplomat. president-elect donald trump standing by rex tillerson, telling senators bring it on. >> rex is friendly with some of the leaders in the world that we don't get along with. some people don't like that. that's why i like doing the deal with rex. we're going to have somebody who's going to be very special. >> this morning at least three
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republican senators continued to publicly voice concerns over the state department nominee lindsey graham from south carolina, marco rubio from florida. all of them about the ceo's relationship with russia. those ties under renewed scrutiny since the cia's findings that moscow meddled in the election. just how the president-elect will handle any confrontation also coming clear this morning. he's putting pressure on members of his own party through a campaign-style rally, even publicly embracing house speaker paul ryan for the first time. >> a man who has earned growing praise from our nation's top leaders including condoleezza rice, james baker, dick cheney, majority leader mcitch mcconnel and so many more, and people are looking at this resume and, honestly, they've never seen a
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resume like this before. >> president-elect there heaping praise on his nominee for the state department. nbc's peter alexander outside trump tower for us covering the transition. so looking at the headlines this morning, sir, they don't paint this road to confirmation as being a smooth one. what's the team there at trump tower, what are they doing to try to soothe worries? >> it may not be a smooth one. right now at least since the 24 hours since that announcement, the team is feeling good. they've benefited by what's been a well choreographed campaign of seals of approval. the latest one coming from the former secretary of state james baker who said today he views the tillerson pick as an excellent choice. he said he was one of the first corporate leaders in the world to acknowledge the impact of climate change. he said he wasn't concerned about the ties to vladimir putin.
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that's on top of endorsements from kocondoleezza right. jeff flake, the junior senator, saying some of those endorsements carry additional weight. senator bob corker said he thinks tillerson will do just fine in those committee hearings. nonetheless, it's obvious there is still some serious concern among those republican senators that it only would take three republicans to go against tillerson. john mccain, marco rubio, lindsey graham among them. the more the focus is on tillerson, the better off they and he are. as the focus turns to his relationship to vladimir putin, specifically even trump's relationship to vladimir putin,
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that may make it increasingly challenging. >> peter alexander. some new developments this morning in the story of russia's involvement in our election. the new york times claiming in great detail just what moscow did precisely. how they did it. and going so far as to lay out a time line of when the cyber hacking happened. the feds first learned of it in september of last year. that's when an fbi agent called to alert party about the potential compromise. but the i.t. contractor thought it was a prank. "the times" quoting an internal e-mail purportedly written by that contractor. multiple sources from u.s. intelligence and the white house as well. nine senate democrats now asking for a formal classified report on the hacking before donald trump take office.
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the chairman promises to look into it. >> the hacking piece is -- i don't think we ought to have our hair on fire about that. but at the end of the day, trying to understand what russia is doing not only here in the united states and p but elections around the world is an important thing for us to know, right? >> with me, senator patrick leahy, democrat of vermont, senator leahy, are you satisfied with that response, are you satisfied that the senate foreign relations committee says it's going to in fact look into it? >> i'm glad the senate foreign relations committee is looking into it. but when you look at what really appears from "the new york time times", started to be totally ineffective. i think you have to have an
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independent commission. let the american people know what happened. russia apparently was trying to influence our elections. they have done this in other countries. we should have an independent. look it, american people say hillary clinton gained more votes than donald trump. he's getting the electoral vote. there's enough disquiet around the country. it may not make any difference in who is sworn in this time. but at least have a clear understanding what happened. there were so many things done. mr. trump called publicly for the russias to hack his opponent. they obviously have. how many other races in the united states were affected? you know, we believe in our
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democracy. we believe every vote counts in america. if you have a foreign power, outrageous sins that russia has. some of the human rights -- enormous human rights violations in russia, including killing journal it'ses who may disagree with him. well, yeah, we ought to find out impartially exactly what happened. >> it sounds like, senator, you're calling on the same kind of 9/11-style commission that senator harry reid called on to be created last week. would that be an accurate assessment? >> well, it is. several of us have made that call in the past for an independent commission. of course i want the appropriate committees in congress to look at -- >> do you think -- >> but for the american people, it should be something totally independent, nonpolitical. >> to be clear, you're not saying you third the outcome of
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the election would have been different had the kremlin stayed out of it? is that what you're saying? >> no, i'm saying we ought to find out whether the outcome would have been different. we know the fbi did a very important job in notifying the people of being hacked. and we know that russia had a strong interest in influencing our election. we ought to find out if that is supposition or fact. >> let's pivot here and talk about rex tillerson for a moment. as you know, the senate has not rejected a cabinet nominee since 1989. that's when john toh was rejected as secretary of defense. given the hacking, given tillerson's ties to russia, how likely are we to see history repeat itself in a few weeks? >> there will be some serious questions asked of mr
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mr. tillerson. i don't know him. i'm not on that committee. certainly one question that will be asked because of his close ties to russia, we know from published reports that there's been enormous payoffs to putin and his inner circle. i mean, they stole money from the winter olympics in sochi but they get a lot of payoffs from the oil and gasindustry. did mobile exxon give such payoffs. and if they did, was mr. tillerson aware of it? that's a legitimate question to ask. i am not one who feels that we should suddenly cozy up to russia. they shot down the malaysian play. they've killed journalists. they've been involved in really genocide with the syrian government in syria. these are not good people.
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>> senator patrick leahy, democrat, vermont. good to sea you, sir. thank you for your time. senator leahy just mentioned syria. let's turn our attention to the humanitarian crisis in aleppo. deadly bombing has resumed just hours after a cease-fire deal was brokered. evacuations have been delayed. buses. you can see them there. sitting idly. blocked from leaving the city amid claims the government is once again obstructing 50,000 people are believed to be trapped at least. u.s. ambassador to the united states samantha power blasting syrian president bashar al assad yesterday for the killings. >> is there no act of barbarism against civilians, no execution of a child that gets under your skin, that just creeps you out a little bit? is there nothing you will not lie about or justify? >> nbc's chief global correspondent bill newly joining me now from beirut.
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bill, safe to say the cease-fire has failed? >> yes, good morning, craig. every shell that has landed in aleppo this morning would say that the cease-fire is meaningless. a deal was struck apparently. involving russia and turkey as the brokers. it did look like the battle for eppo was all but over. this morningeople woke up to the signs of shelling, to cluster bombs, to air strikes, to tanks and artillery firing. yet another cruel twist in this war. the civilians who had, in some cases, gathered this morning, ready to be evacuated on buses, had to scatter for their lives. and that evacuation on those buses at dawn has been abandoned. so it does look like the pitiful scenes we saw yesterday, thousands of people fleeing for their lives are being repeated today.
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yesterday, they trudged, bedraggled, in the rain and in the cold, thousands of them leaving behind -- well, leaving a slaughter and leaving the city and their homes in ruins. today, far fewer people trying to flee because the air strikes, at least what we're being told from social media, from activists inside eastern aleppo, the air strikes have been constant. they have been every minute or so. people posting videos. people sending messages saying please help us. it seems very little the world can do. samantha poushwer, the u.s. ambassador at the u.n., was blitzering in her criticism of russia yesterday, but the pun is deliberate, samantha power, powerless to do anything to stop this. the cease-fire for the moment appears to be meaningless. >> our chief global correspondent bill neely updating us from beirut, lebanon, on the situation not far from there in aleppo, bill,
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thanks as always, stay safe. new documents this morning showing donald trump's pick for national security adviser inappropriately shared classified information with four military officers. i will talk to reporter who broke that story next. also, tech titans. silicon valley business leaders meeting with the president-elect at trump tower today. on the agenda, jobs. i'll talk to the congress man-elect who represents silicon valley and the chief technology officer as well. and 20 years later, new investigations into the murder of jonbenet ramsey. what prosecutors now hope to find. i was working in the yard, my chest started hurting
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we're following some new developments this morning on the trump transition.
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nbc news has confirmed from two senior intelligence sources about this "washington post" report that found michael flynn, donald trump's pick for national security adviser, he shared classified information without permission according to these reports. i'm joined by "washington post" reporter craig whitlock who broke this story. craig, let's start with what you discovered. >> yes, we don't need anonymous sources to tell us. we got the actual documents from the u.s. army that summarize a secret u.s. military investigation into then major general michael flynn in 2010 when he was the u.s. army -- excuse me, the nato intelligence chief in afghanistan. the investigation itself is still classified. it's classified as secret. so we don't have the investigation itself, that report, but we have a summary from the u.s. army called an advance information report about general flynn.
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it found, as you said, he inappropriately shared classified material with foreign military officers while he was serving in afghanistan. now, the investigation also found that he did not do so knowingly, and so he was not disciplined by the army as a result. this did put his career on ice for about a year. he was summoned back to washington. he was eventually promoted to lieutenant general. but, you know, this is a significant disclosure into general flynn's career because of course during the presidential campaign, he was among those who were leading the chants of "lock her up" about hillary clinton, and any disclosures about his mishandling of classified information is pretty relevant. >> we know the information it classified. is it possible to characterize the nature of the classified relationship or do we not know? >> we know a little bit more. my colleague craig miller and i were able to determine from intelligence sources that the
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material that general flynn was investigating for sharing had to do with the cia's. now, he shared information, he said, with the british and australian forces in afghanistan who normally are allies of course, so that's not a big deal. but he didn't have permission to share this higher level classified information that apparently had to do with the posture of cia forces in afghanistan. that's what he got under a lot of skrut any for. >> what, if anything, have the trump folks said about your reporting? have we heard from them? >> no, and general flynn declined our request for comments. >> is this in any way, shape or form different from what david petraeus did? >> yes. it is different and the nature of what was going -- david petraeus of course shared notebooks he had kept with his biographer paula broadwell who he was also having an affair with. so the circumstances there are
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very different. whereas flynn was sharing cla classified materials with allies in a war zone in afghanistan. so the nature and purpose was very different. >> the secret investigation, any idea when we might get information from that military investigation? >> el with, the u.s. military would have to declassify the information. we're in the process of asking them to do that. that's not an easy hurdle to cross. they would have to declassify the investigate report itself for us to find out more details of exactly what happened and what the end result was. >> craig whitlock, "washington post." fascinating read, sir, thank you for coming on to talk about it. >> sure thing. >> clash of the titans? top executives and more meeting in just a few hours with president-elect donald trump. can they find some common ground or will their election year divide get in the way? we'll talk about that. plus also in a matter of hours, the fed expected to raise key
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in just a few hour, titans of the tech industry will be at trump tower. google co-founder, tim cook, sheryl sandburg. elan musk. all of them among the top execs expected to meet with president-elect trump. mr. trump has been critical of the tech industry for not doing enough to create jobs here at home. silicon valley has been wary of trump. over immigration reform, cybersecurity and the range of social concerns now. joined now by democratic congressman-elect will conna whose district includes silicon valley.
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also, the nation's first chief technology officer as well under president obama. congressman-elect, let me start with you, yahoo!, ebay, tesla, all of them headquartered in your district. how do you think the tech industry has done so far creating jobs in this country? >> i think they've done a lot. they need to do more. there's no question we need to create more jobs here and more jobs in middle america. the jobs many have, going from investment, education, make sure jobs come back to the united states. >> how do you create more jobs, more tech jobs in places like the rust belt, places like iowa? how do you get kids who code to go work there versus san francisco or new york?
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>> there's a great example of google. it was an investment in the right kind of technical skills but for every one tech job created, four other jobs in the service industry are created. so one of the myths in my district, people feel like it's all tech jobs. tech jobs are just 20%. it's creating 4 to 5 other jobs. we need to create that same type of multiplier effect in middle america. >> anice, take us inside the room, these titans of industry. what are they likely to say to him? what is he likely to say to them? >> we hope this is the deal maker trump in the room and he might raise the question, if we do tax reform and allow you to bring back a lot of your cash that's held overseas, how might you reinvest that cash to create jobs all across the country?
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you might see a discussion about trade deals that say if we're going to think about ways to change the model, how might we emphasize protections for u.s. tech industry that are facing nontariff trade barriers when they ship services around the world? a conversation about immigration and talent. to say if we want to produce more high tech, high wage jobs and we need access to global talent, how does the high skill immigration portion fit into the larger deal the president-elect might wish to carry forward on immigration? hopefully the dialogue today son areas where they might come to common ground and that would advance hopefully the country forward as we keep this open mind on this president's posture not to focus on theater but to focus on the substance. hopefully the later. >> how would you characterize the existing relationship between the president-elect and these tech leaders? >> i don't want to speak specific folks in the room but a number of folks, including
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myself, signed on during the campaign, quite vocally, for secretary clinton. and so there's a moment during the campaign where you have a view and a debate about where you want the future of the country to go and expressing that view. but we've had an election and now we're into governing or preparing for governance. my hope is the conversation is more about the governance and moving forward than it is the past. >> congressman elect, he just mentioned immigration there a few moments ago. when it comes to room for negotiation on this particular topic, where is that room? where is that sweet spot? especially when it comes to these highly skilled foreign workers who come in through h-1-bc visas? >> it's value. i think some are concerned about the rhetoric of a muslim register or the anti-immigrant rhetoric during the campaign. that's an area which continues to be a concern. when it comes to skilled workers here, i think there has to be a
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recognition that there are abuses. there do have to be re rm to. we do have to develop local talent. and we also need certain workers here who are going to create jobs. that has to be a comprehensive look. we definitely need to stand up against some of the rhetoric of the anti-immigrant sentiment coming out of the campaign. >> anice, while i have you here, i want to talk to you about this "new york times" article -- >> yeah. >> that's gotten a lot of attention today about how precisely the dnc was hacked and the fallout as a result. first, how woefully unprepared the dnc was, and secondly, this idea that if we are going to respond to a russian cyberattack, that we might not know about it. if we don't know how does that deter future attacks? >> look, we clearly in this country need to have a more vigorous debate about cybersecurity. i think both sides of the aisle
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understand we're facing a new threat and we've been working on these issues for the past several years but we need to do much, much more. organizations like the dnc are relatively modist in their i.t. budgets and scope. they don't have the re, sos to monitor the network and keep the information secure and safe. we've had a dialogue in the country. what is the role of government, how do we ensure that we beef up the security. it is a challenge. this question about the offensive use of responses, how to do it, under what circumstances, is very much an open debate that the country hopefully will grapple with in the months and years to come. >> i hope you'll come back, sir, thank you. congressman-elect will conna, three types the cha times the c. i know you ran for that seat two other times. congrats to you as well. ohio governor john kasich
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has vetoed what would have been one of the most stringent anti-abortion laws in this country. it would have banned abortions once a fetal heartbeat is detected sometimes as early as six or seven weeks. kasich did sign into law a bill that would ban abortions after 20 weeks. the governor cited cases in two other states where similar legislation was declared unconstitutional by the federal courts. a controversial marriage proposal is making the rounds online. here it is. dewaun mcpherson reached out to the mobile, alabama, police department to help set up a fake standoff at a gas station. his girlfriend shows up expecting to go on a date. she arrives instead to see police officers with their guns drawn. her panic quickly turned to joy when mcpherson pulls out a ring. she says yes. she learned that police were holding unloaded stun guns. a lot of folks on twitter and facebook are expressing their outrage.
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it seems to be the worst kept secret on wall street today as the stock tries to surge further. the fed widely expected to announce a hike in a key interest rate. it would be the second hike, just the second hike in a decade. with the first happening last december. joined now by msnbc's ali velshi. ali, in the immortal words of former fed chairman william mcchesney jr., you know mr. mcchesney. >> of course, everybody does. >> the feds role is to take the punch bowl away just as the party is coming alive. >> i hadn't actually heard that one before. i think it's fantastic. i often say the fed when it raises interest rates, it taps the brakes on the economy. when it lowers interest rates, it hits the gas pedal. the only tools they have. give you the punch pole or take it away. what the team has determined is
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the economy is plodding along well enough that you can raise interest rates which taps the brakes a little bit and it won't do too much damage. unemployment is getting lower. wages are starting to tick up after so long of that recession. so they're prepared now to raise interest rates just by a quarter of a percentage point. the hope is you're not getting any more drunk but you're not really going to feel it. >> what might that mean for folks who borrow money? >> all right, depends. if you've got a fixed rate mortgage or fixed rate on your car loan, it means nothing to you. it you're taking a new car loan out or go for a new mortgage, you'll notice the 30-year fixed has gone up in the last month about 4.8%. if you have good credit. if you're buying a new car today, the loan will be higher. if you have credit card debt, it's probably going to be about 25, a quarter of a percentage point, higher. for borrower, costs may increase. makes it more expensive to borrow so you sometimes think twice about spending as an individual or a company. >> what about investors who have
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been enjoying quite the nice ride? >> we talked about the dow getting to 20,000. it's not there right now. generally when you increase interest rates, it slows the market down because what it means is interest bearing investments become a little bit more attractive. i would say this has been the most telegraphed worst kept secret going so you're not going to see much of market reaction. anyone who sells stocks because they thought the interest rates are going up and surprised by it shouldn't be investing in the market. as the stock market loses some appeal. that does not mean the stock market goes down. it just means investors think about other places to get their money. >> traditional savings accounts. >> that's a bit a win. you get a fraction of a percent. a cd in some cases might get you up to a percent. that will all go up today. if you're a saver, you might even get a full percentage point. >> i'm going to swipe to this last headline from cnbc. there it is. fed expected to raise interest rates but won't tell market what it wants to hear. what's that? >> market wants to hear what donald trump's economic plans are going to do for the economy.
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the fed is very conservative. it is not going to be bet on what trump might or might not do. it will evaluate it when he does or doesn't do it. >> what time do we get word? >> 2 p.m. >> just a few hours. good to have you, thank you, sir. it's been 20 year since death of jonbenet. now investigators believe new dna testing could lead to a break in the case.
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chilling video of roof firing a gun in the backyard using a wooden board as target practice. also introduced disturbing new evidence, this, an apparent hit list of predominantly black churches that was found in roof's car. all of them from charleston, south carolina. emmanuel ame topped that list. he is said to have visited that particular church eight times. juror deliberations continue in the retrial of the florida woman accused of hiring an undercover cop to kill her husband back in 2009. this, after jurors told the judge yesterday they were deadlocked and could not reach a verdict. the case garnered widespread headlines with this video showing a staged crime scene where police tell depi li to that her husband was killed. prosecutor also provided a video
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of deplito telling an informant and an undercover cop she wanted her husband dead. the original verdict was thrown out on appeal in 2014. prosecutors and police in boulder, colorado, are planning a new round of dna testing in their efforts to solve the 1996 murder case of jonbenet ramsey. this comes after recent investigation by local news organizations revealed the interpretation of previous dna testing was flawed and does not support the decision by the district attorney at the time to clear family members of all suspicion. the news organization findings include dna evidence found in jonbenet's underwear originally logged as being from an unknown male may be from multiple people. i'm joined by lisa bloom, trial lawyer, legal analyst as well for avo. always good to see you, lisa, thank you for your time this
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morning. >> good morning. >> 20 years old. the case is 20 years old. how much of a difference could this new testing even make? is this a crime that we thinker gets solved? >> well, it certainly is a remote possibility this is going to make any difference. we also know dna testing is getting more and more sophisticated. really every day. it is far more sophisticated now in 2016 than it was in 1996 or even in 2006. it certainly is worth a shot. if they want to subject it to the more advance techniques, perhaps it's going to help break the case. >> also claim the district attorney's approach to this case at the time showed signs of a phenomenon known as confirmation bias. remind viewers and listeners what this is, what confirmation bias is. >> confirmation bias is when an investigator has a theory of the case and then looks for evidence to support that theory and discounts evidence that doesn't support the theory. of course, what they're supposed to do is gather all of the facts
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and evidence in an objective manner and let the facts lead them to their conclusion. >> while you're here, let's talk about this dylann roof trial. we continue to watch and read a lot of the disturbing evidence that's being presented here. we're supposed to, again, today, be hearing from one of the survivors in that church. one of the things that continues to force me to scratch my head about this case in particular, why are we doing this? for whom does this benefit? having all of these people relive the worst day of their life. is it all about the death penalty here? >> well, i think it's all about accountability and i'm sure it is absolutely horrible for the participants to read the evidence of this man's vicious racist murders is awful to have to look at. but the bottom line is the state is asking for the death penalty against this man. he's entitled to a trial.
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he'll certainly be convicted of having done it. he's admitted to that. the question, is he going to be put to death for his crime? >> based on what you heard as a koppco compelling argument made for death? >> i'm anti-death penalty but this case challenges even me. this is a man who should be considered among the worst of the worst. those are people who are candidates for the death penalty. he planned his crime. he went into a church. he murdered nine people. you know, if anybody's going to get the death penalty, it's probably going to be dylann roof. >> to watch that video as well of his interview after the fact. >> laughing. >> laughing. laughing about it. lisa bloom, always appreciate your insight, thank you. >> thank you. >> for weeks, we have been watching folks parade into trump tower to meet with the president elect including yesterday's diversity theme gathering. two greats right there, mr. louis, mr. brown. what goes on behind those closed
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leaders and titans of industry, art, sports, science, are reaching out and want to find ways to help. i mean, today is an example. in my office, the great jim brown, kanye, that's right. i like kanye. ray lewis. we've had so many people that come up and they want to be a part of what we're doing. >> still weird to hear donald trump name drop yeezy, really is. touting his meetings with many influential african-americans. football legends jim lewis, ray brown. they said they want to work with trump, rebuilding urban neighborhoods specifically. i'm joined by the executive director of the national diversity coalition for donald trump. good to see you, sir, thanks for
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coming on, bruce. >> merry christmas. >> merry christmas. so ray lewis, jim brown, kanye west. this is what they said after the meeting. >> what we believe, what the trump administration is, if we can combine these two powers coming together. forget black or white. irrelevant. the bottom line is job creation, economic development in these urban neighborhoods to change the whole scream of whheme of w kids see for their future. >> you've been in a number of these meetings. >> right. >> what goes on in these meetings? walk us through how they work, how long do they last, any specific promises made? >> first, i heard you say what goes on behind the doors whatever, but what goes in public obviously is what we do in meetings, et cetera. this has been an ongoing communication dialogue with all different diverse groups from all over the country. from day one since last year.
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i was excited to see the very folks who historically didn't vote for donald trump in the campaign during the election time are actually being, reaching out. president-elect has proven he is the president of all people and he's concerned about all communities, all backgrounds. even the ones who talk really ugly about him. he's reached back to them and said, come on, let's get this thing going here, let's get america rolling. >> we just played that background clip. were you in the room for the jim brown or kanye west meeting? >> i was in the meeting with jim brown and ray lewis. i was sitting to the left of president-elect trump. i have to say, it was very, very awesome. jim brown represents america, i can, which has been going on since 1988, mentoringship in a lot of the communities. president-elect was so excited, he had another meeting with bill gates, kept bill gates waiting. was very, very engaged, very
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understanding. really, really was just totally, totally on board with the, you know, the vision of jim brown and trying to help a lot of these communities. it was tremendous. >> to be clear, jim brown, he said this yesterday, he didn't vote for donald trump. he told me in louisville, muhammad ali's funeral months ago, he wasn't going to vote for donald trump. but he did meet with him yesterday. this urban renewal plan that we keep hearing people talk about, have you seen it? do you know much about it? do you know how much he is going to ask the republicans to spend on it? >> well, i'll tell you like this. for example, if you go to jim brown's website, "america i can," first of all, there are a lot of organizations out there that are, you know, doing -- need help and assistance. but what better way for the president-elect trump to look around, you know, institutions that are already in place without trying to reinvent the wheel but just like, hey, guys, you know, what can we do in a trump administration that we can
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help, you know, enhance a lot of these great initiatives that are already in place? such as america i can. >> it sounds like you're saying he doesn't have an urban renewal plan yet but he's going to be looking at best practices, is that what you're saying? >> oh, absolutely. another thing, too, craig. i just want to say one thing on this. when i was walking around the 14th floor, i have to say, the trump transition team is absolutely incredible in terms of how organized they are. you would think they've been there for years and years. but for a team that's been put together in a month, it was incredible. >> incredible it may be, diverse it is not. take a look at this picture here. this is the top 12 line of succession. all of them white men. not a whole lot of folks that look like me and you there with the exception of course of the hud secretary. how is that diversity? >> well, first, i can't see the screen so respectfully, i'm sorry. >> well, you know it's all white guys. >> no, we have women, we have a lot. let me make this clear,
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president-elect trump, his whole heart is going after the best talent, trying to do what's best for the american people and putting all ethnic backgrounds in front in terms of who is the best candidate, whether it be male, female, black, white, whatever. this is a people, this is an america thing. he is the president. he's going to be the president for all americans, no matter what color. so putting bits and pieces apart for the cabinet together, you know, it's going to be really great. we're very, very excited. >> always good to see you, thank you for being with me. >> thank you, thanks for having me. >> and we will be right back. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do? drive three-quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement™, you'd get your whole car back. i guess they don't want you driving around on three wheels. smart. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, we'll replace the full value of your car.
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