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they did the tweeting. he would dictate to them what he wanted to tweet. they would type it out and edit it and send it out for publication. that's not happening any more and i wouldn't expect it to. >> jeff peterson of the "new york times." always great to see you, my friend. >> thank you. kate snow returns tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. eastern. my colleague, steve kornacki, picks up my coverage in new york. good afternoon, steve. >> breaking news at the top of the agenda. dylan roof guilty on 33 counts in the shooting deaths of nine people at a south carolina church last year. the trial will now continue into the sentencing phase. much more for you on what we can expect in that pivotal second phase. also on the agenda, the role of vladimir putin. >> we just don't think russia would engage in hits like hacking american political organizations without the
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highest level of government, and we are considering what responses can be taken. >> two senior intelligence officials with direct access to the information tell nbc news that vladimir putin authorized the hacks to interfere in the u.s. election. but was he trying to elect donald trump or was there some other motive? that is just ahead. and also on the agenda, the trump campaign responds. >> people seem to think that we're not upset about it. we are very upset about it. >> trump transition adviser telling us they're upset by the attacks and with the secretary of state pi-- breaking news outf south carolina. we have a verdict in the trial of the man charged with carrying out that massacre at a miss tortor -- historic black church in south carolina last year.
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dylan roof found guilty of firearms and hate crime charges of nine people in a bible study session in june of 2015. he still faces trial on state murder charges. he could be put to death. we're joined in charleston. obviously you have followed this closely. a momentous development here. not a prisurprising one. now the sentencing phase, will he receive the death penalty. tell us what happens from here. >> reporter: well, the question was whether dylan roof was going to be representing himself in the sentencing phase, steve, and i've just received confirmation from inside that courtroom. the judge asking dylan roof if he, in fact, plans to represent himself, and that answer was yes. that would put, steve, this 22-year-old who dropped out of ninth grade twice, who we have seen be silent and absent throughout these proceedings, in
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a position of having to question survivors, to question victim family members on the stand when he's had, for the past week, one of the best known death penalty attorneys in the country. david brook representing him. he represented the pan am hijackers, he was part of the defense team. he will be representing himself. the judge telling roof he can still change his mind. remember, he changed his mind once on this already. but if january 3rd comes along and he has not changed his mind, he will be representing himself. that is very hard for these survival members, many family members i've gotten to know
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these past few weeks, steve. >> tell us a little about the family members of these victims. we saw a number of them way back when this killing happened, that first appearance in court by dylan roof over a year ago. there was that dramatic moment where you had many of the family members, the victims, stepping forward to say they had forgiveness for him. i understand there are some microphones set up outside there. are we expecting to hear from them in the next few minutes? >> we are expecting to hear from two of the three survivors, felicia sanders and polly shepa shepard. these are the two women whose testimony started the prosecute's case and end prosecution's case. as you remember, they forgave dylan roof publicly after this massacre happened, but in this trial it all started with felicia sanders calling dylan roof evil and saying that he belonged in the pit of hell. we have seen, i guess, a change in that regard.
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the emotional toll of this trial has been hard to bear for many of these families. and of course we will keep you updated if we hear from these two survivors on the ground here in charleston. >> all right, in charleston. yes, we have those microphones set up. anybody who steps forward we'll show you that in the next hour. i'm sure we'll be back to you shortly. meanwhile, as we wait for reaction down there, back to russia. nbc news reporting on vladimir putin and his intimate role in the cyber attacks in the dnc on the clinton report over the election. secretary john kerry, who had been refraining commenting on this story due to his position in the administration, commenting for the first time on the hacks just few moments ago. here's what he had to say. >> it's what we said in october, with high confidence that the russian government directed compromises of e-mails from u.s. constitutions including political organizations, and that these thefts and
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disclosures were intended to interfere with our election process. so the president understood and made clear it's a serious matter. it was a serious matter then, it's a serious matter now as even more information comes out. >> all right, and nbc's ken delaney has been reporting this story. he joins us now with the latest. ken, i want to be absolutely clear what the reporting is here on vladimir putin's role. you hear secretary kerry talking about russian interference in the election. was putin authorizing sort of broad interference that could be hacking democrats, republicans, the clinton campaign or others, or was this a specific signoff of putin targeted at clinton and at democrats? >> that's a great question, steve. and our understanding of this, of course, is imperfect. what senior officials are telling nbc news is this started as a broader campaign.
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there was always a vendetta against clinton. putin did not want to see her elected president. lindsey graham, a republican, says he was hacked as part of this. it wasn't just democrats being hacked. as it evolves, it became a campaign of leaks designed to embarrass democrats and hillary clinton, and our understanding is as of october, putin was personally involved. he was actually directing in some cases how to use the material that was stolen by his intelligence agencies. and this s agais, again, accordo u.s. intelligence officials. >> the question here, this made it to the surface in a way it hadn't before, but i think people have been following sort of the cyber warfares used. while the idea of hacking is not new to 2016, is this something the russian government was developing for a long time and they perfected the ability to pull it off this year? what is the broader sort of back story to this? >> that is another really important point you're making.
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>> hacking of elections that not new. in 2012 there were reports of hacking of election campaigns. the united states hacks political campaigns in other countries, we presume. the difference in this election, according to u.s. intelligence, the russians leaked the material in a way designed to undermine competency of the election and potentially embarrass one candidate. there was an active measure, there was also fake news and media amplification. the russians crossed the line to a covert action designed to destabilize the election and that's a big deal, steve. >> thank you for that. meanwhile, more on this. the revelation that vladimir putin authorized cyber attacks during the election still does not answer the question of motive. why exactly did russia do it? we talked about a bunch of the theories. wu
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one of them, donald trump campaigned to have a more friendly relationship with putin. was russia trying to help donald trump? this is something the cia talked about a closed door briefing a few weeks ago, that putin was hacking and the goal was to try to get trump elected. however, the cia has not said this. this is from outlets of unnamed sources. that same reporting says the fbi does not share the cia's assessment that the russians were definitely trying to help trump. it is also unclear to the extent that russia or anyone successfully hacked republicans. reince priebus insisted his organization was not the victim of any hacking. >> when the dnc was hacked, we called the fbi and they came in to help us, and they came in to review what we were doing and through our systems, went
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through every single thing that we did. we went through this for a month and we were not hacked. >> is that another possibility, then, that the russians wanted to target both parties but they just had more success hacking democrats than republicans? or another theory. maybe russia was targeting clinton not because it wanted to elect trump but just because she was ahead in all of the polls. and if you want to stir chaos in an election, wouldn't it make more sense to go after the one who is ahead and not the candidate who is behind? it has also been proposed that perhaps putin wanted to target hillary clinton personally because of scathing comments she made about him in how he rules russia. andrea mitchell reports earlier today, white house deputy national security adviser ben rhodes indicated that putin being behind this isn't necessarily the smoking gun for determining motive. >> i don't think things happen in the russian government of this consequence without vladimir putin knowing about it. everything we know about how russia operates and how putin controls the government would
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suggest, again, when you're talking about a significant cyber movement, vladimir putin is actually responsible for actions of the russian government. >> this is the first time hacked e hmails have made their way to public view and played this role in a campaign, but is it the first time russia has tried to do this, or have they tried in past elections to do the same thing? have other adversaries tried to do this as well? for that matter, is this something the united states tries to do in other countries? this is a major story. we have reporting that the president of russia was personally involved in a cyber war effort, the results of which loomed large in an american presidential election. but there is also a lot of confusion, a lot of questions and a lot of context to fill in. for that, i want to bring in evelyn farcas, she is a former deputy assistant of defense for
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the ukraine and russia. evelyn, thanks for joining us. let me start on that bigger picture question. ken delaney was just talking about this a minute ago. this is the first time the hacked e-mails made their way in public view on a scale like this, dominated conversation on this campaign, but how common behind the scenes is it for russia, for other countries to be doing this, to be trying to pull off something like this, skm and how common is it for the united states and its part to be doing this in other countries? >> first of all, thank you for having me on. i think it's very common for russia and other countries, china, to hack into u.s. government sites to try to get government secrets on the unclassified or even they've tried to get into our classified systems. and certainly for the united states, it would also be expected that we would try to hack into adversarial government sites, right, their computer
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systems? but to influence elections, as far as i know, the united states government does not hack into foreign government's electoral systems or try to influence their elections. that's highly unusual. that's a real information operation. certainly if you then take the information and make it public the way the russians did. what the russians have done is really on a whole other level of risk taking, of adversarial, very offensive operations against the united states, against our democracy. first and foremost, they were trying to very clearly make the american public have less confidence in our democracy, and then from there on, as you mentioned already, there are a lot of unanswered questions. but i think we should be very concerned that the russians did this, and we should be very clear that they did because the russians have said unanimously that they did. whether they did it to help donald trump or not is not as significant as the fact they did it. and our government needs to
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retaliate. we need to deter russia, we need to stop russia and other countries from doing this again. and i would also add that when president obama gets that report that he's asked for from the intelligence agencies detailing what the russians did and to whatever extent they can determine the impact, he should make th sure that's released before he leaves office as well. for $15 million we spend on the security committee, we need to know. >> you're making a distinction there between operations that have been taking place for a long time, other countries, russia, others, trying to get our top state secrets, trying to get into our information systems and take the most sensitive, potentially compromising, potentially damaging information and secrets they can from us. what kind of retaliation -- if that's already happening and this is another step above that, what specific kind of retaliation does this require that the fact they're already
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doing that doesn't require? >> the fact that they're already doing that certainly merits retaliation. i think we were used to a certain level of retaliation or at least being defensive. >> so the stuff they were already doing -- >> hacking in. >> what was the retaliation in place already for that? >> i would imagine most of it is defensive, and i'm not an expert on the exact cyber defenses and things that we do. but when it comes to the next level, this level, because it's offensive in nature, we really need to take some swift action to make sure that the russians realize this is unacceptable. because their intelligence agencies cannot be meddling in our elections. what does that mean? >> is this more sanctions? >> it could be anything from sanctions to publishing. since we hack in, maybe we have information on vladimir putin's finances, for example.
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it could be publishing information that the russian government doesn't want us to publish. it could be sanctions. it could be yanking divisions of i.t., their network which they run. they kind of pretend it's a normal media outlet, but in fact it's russian government propaganda, much of it quite false, in fact, if you just look today on the stories that they're carrying. there are a number of things that we could do. we could obviously also covertly or clandestinely do something to disable part of the russian military computer system. that might be a little bit more escalatory in nature. we need to do something publicly. it's not just the russian government that's watching, it's the chinese government, any government that wants to meddle in our elections using cyber
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abilities. as we mentioned in just the last hour, secretary of state john kerry delivering an impassioned plea. he talked about the issue of hacking but he also delivered an impassioned plea to the syrian government to end the fighting in aleppo. >> the assad regime is aiding and abetting. the assad regime is carrying out nothing short of a massacre. >> tens of thousands of civilians still trapped in aleppo. we're getting an update from inside that battered city. plus, among the new hacking revelations, donald trump's team staying focused on the transition. next we're going live to hershey, pennsylvania, the latest stop in his thank you tour. that's going to be tonight. stay with us. freshness, you've got a few more tricks up your cozy sleeve. because with every touch, tug, or tender hug you release a
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just two spots remaining right now in donald trump's cabinet. some questions looming, though, like will trump use one of those spots to appoint some democrats? recent presidents have made a show of including at least one member of the other party as a gesture of unity. is trump going to follow suit or is it going to be all publicans in the cabinet? controversy now over john bolton. that's donald trump's potential pick for secretary of state. bolton worked in george w. bush's state department, served as u.n. ambassador briefly. he remains an ardent defender of the iraq war. if picked, bolton would be
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number two to rex tillerson, that is, if trump confirms tillerson as secretary of state. bolton is facing opposition within his own party, especially officials that worked with him in the bush administration. that includes condoleezza rice, bob gates, former national security adviser. tillerson himself may be expressing concern for bolton being his deputy. he remains in the running for that post. trump is going to be speaking in hershey, pennsylvania tonight as part his thank you tour. one of the states trump is visiting. i don't think he's visited a blue state yet. interesting news here, though, on the john bolton front. that name obviously remains a lightning rod when it comes to foreign policy. a lightning rod in foreign
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policy. >> we are in hershey, pennsylvania and this is one of those that donald trump put together, a must-win of those states that have so long been held in democrats' hands. that's part of the thank you tour that he is doing. when you talk about john bolton, he has been a lightning rod in foreign policy circles for a number of years. bolton was part of the bush administration, a rarity at that time, back years ago. when we see the decisions being made by donald trump in foreign policy, we do see there are different camps inside the trump transition and the trump sphere of advisers. there are those who believe john bolton is the kind of neo strong voice that he would like to see, especially when it comes to israel and the middle east. at the same time, you have prominent voices who have said to the president-elect, including condoleezza rice were
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told, and bob gates, former defense secretary, who has refused to pick tillerson as secretary of state, someone without diplomacy or experience. looking for someone who does have government experience, but those sort of wise minds of the party of times gone by were saying bolton is too much of a reach, too much of a controversial figure. but there are others inside trump world who think that kind of disruptive personality, that sort of combative tone, are what we're ciega cross the cabinet picks who have very strong views in opposition. john bolton is one of those names. when it comes to building a foreign policy in a trump administration, that deputy position will be important and we don't yet know if donald trump feels that he's willing to take that risk. we've seen him take other risks,
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but some people in his counsel have urged him not to do that on this deputy position. steve? >> kelly, thank you for that. sorry, by the way. i know we had some audio difficulties there. that fuzzy thing on the microphone is supposed to be a bit of a wind guard, but when it's 18 degrees and gusty like that, there are only so many things you can do. do not envy kelly having to stand out in that wind today. i want to bring in former chair of the dnc and nbc's kasie hunt. let's start this question of john bolton. the name kind of entered the mix a few weeks ago, and it caught people by surprise because you have donald trump campaigning against the bush doctrine, campaigning against the iraq war, and you have john bolton out there saying the iraq war was the right thing to do. do we have a sense of what it is that attracts trump to bolton, poteially? >> i think it's less about iraq
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and more about iran, to be honest. the policy and the potential dismantling of the deal that president obama cut with iran could be one of the first things this administration does, basically without the consent of congress if they go about it in the right way. my sense is that there are some forces inside the trump campaign, potentially outsiders like sheldon adelson who are pushing for bolton to have more of a role. at one time we picked tillerson at the top, but don't worry, you have your guy. if you want to tell us how to approach this, you can go ahead and get in touch with him. >> we mentioned two cabinet spots. we'll see if they get confirmed. right now there's two left. there has been a member of the other party who has been included in these in the past couple administrations, so far all republicans. as a democrat do you look at it and do you think it's important that trump use one of these last two spots?
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i know the name heidi heitkamp has been mentioned? >> we hope he doesn't pick john bolton or heidi heitkamp. i think it's irrelevant. i think trump is such an outlyer that the idea of having a democrat and appearing bipartisan doesn't make any difference whatsoever. >> we had the latest news here in terms of the russian hacking. n brks krr nbc news is reporting vladimir putin authorized this. probably not a big shock that vladimir putin authorized it, but it is a big piece of reporting. it's interesting to see this news play out here, because on the one hand you've got major piece of news of what russia was doing, trying to affect this country. on the one hand, you've got republicans saying democrats are only pushing this because they want to delegitimize the trump victory. you've got trump who doesn't seem to want to acknowledge the possibility of this.
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the politics of how this plays out in this country have been interesting to watch. >> i do think you're right. i think in the last week and a half or so, we've seen a shift in this conversation. it's coming out in little dribs and drabs as to why that's happening. you've seen even senator mitch mcconnell pushing back against administration efforts to put this out ahead of the election. they wanted to put out a bipartisan statement. this is something we heard from the intelligence community, from the obama administration. but as this has evolved, i think the concern has real deepened and you can start to pick that up from republicans, whether it's the way mitch mcconnell -- if you listen to every word that comes out of his mouth, it very careful and he has said this needs to be a bipartisan issue. senator lindsey graham acknowledged he was briefed because his campaign was hacked, also, as it turns out, by the same group that hacked into the
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e-mails. graham doesn't use e-mails, so there's no way he could be hacked. >> there were republicans initially included in this. there were things called d.c. leaks a few months ago. i look at this and i still have trouble coming up way motive. i know the reporting is out there the cia apparently thinks this was specifically designed to help trump. i wonder, were they trying to elect trump? was it that clinton was the frontrunner and if you want to stir chaos you go after the frontrunner? >> trump has said things about putin that no american has said since the cold war started. this and trump business dealings are a land mine for them. right now trump is untouchable. we've just gone through two years of hell. nobodyants to revisit any of these issues. sooner or later after confirmation and after all this is over and after he settles in to the white house, this is
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going to be one of the things that matters a lot. there is a long history among very important senators who are in very important positions on the republican side who are not going to like this. and the cia has a lot of credibility. it doesn't matter what donald trump says. they have more credibility and they always will. >> i'm wondering if this will trump geopolitics, no pun intended. are people calling into question that donald trump won this election? yes, it may be about putin preferring trump, but also, putin has a track record of trying to sow doubts across russian democracies. this is not the first time russia has tried to impact an election in a big way, and i think that's what russians are trying to remind donald trump of, mccain, mcconnell.
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>> you looked at getting into this race. ko keith ellison, the senator from minnesota, is in it now. now we hear tom perez is getting in the race -- >> and there may be two more. we may have six really great candidates. >> do you have a candidate in this race? is there someone you want to see win this race? >> i have to see who is in the race first. i basically said i'm not endorsing anyone until after the holidays if i endorse anybody. we've got three people. we've got keith who represents themselves. tom perez, now the labor secretary. at least hogue was the head of naro, the only person who has done national organizing. then we've got this guy we've never heard of until today. yesterday i spent an hour on the phone and he is incredibly impressive. he's sort of the demographic
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profile. he's 33 years old. his name is pete -- >> you have to get the name before you tag him on my show. >> he's 34 years old, two tours of duty in afghanistan, i think, and he is openly gay. and he's smart as hell. so if he gets in, we're going to have six great candidates. >> so neutral right now. kasie hunt, howard, thank you both very much. that massive data breach at yahoo. more than a billion accounts were hacked. this is the second breach in two years. now a second question about buying yahoo. plus, dylan roof guilty on multiple counts. a look at what comes next. will he get the death penalty? that's next. about making movies. i'm victoria alonso and i'm an executive producer...
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time now for a check of the headlines at the half hour. the russian government denying a u.s. news report that vladimir putin was involved in that campaign to interfere in last month's presidential election. two senior intelligence officials with direct access to the information saying that putin personally directed how hacked e-mails from the dnc in the clinton campaign as chairman sam podesta should be used. the report that russia wanted to see donald trump elected president. dangerously cold temperatures gripping much of the northern united states. some places seeing wind chills of 30 degrees below zero. this as a blizzard warning now in effect for parts of upstate new york. some places could end up seeing more than a foot of snow there. returning to our breaking news from south carolina. this happening within the last hour. a federal jury finding dylan roof guilty of all 33 counts of
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hate crimes and other charges for killing nine people at a historic black church in charleston in june of 2015. that same jury will reconvene in january, then they will be charged with determining if roof should be put to death. he also faces a state trial on murder charges. joining us now to talk about this is john burris. he is a civil rights attorney. he's been involved in high profile attorneys, including the rodney king civil suit. being found guilty today not entirely a surprise as momentous as it is. the question, to the extent there is suspense here legally, is will he receive the death penalty? what is your sense of where this will go in the second phase of the trial? >> in the second phase of this, the death penalty phase, there are really two aspects to it. one is aggravation, and that is what the prosecution will present. they'll have all these family
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members to testify and the impact it's had on them. the defense will put on what's lled mitigation. what they'll then try to do is put on evidence to suggest he shouldn't be killed, he was a misguided young man, any number of things, his family, his friends, all these things to try to suggest he is a person that should not be put to death. in a case like this where the defense lawyers are putting on the case, they will generally try to put on some kind of mental defense. not saying he was crazy of some kind but some kind of psychological defense. however, he has fired his lawyers and that would suggest he does not want that type of defense. frankly, what he's going to be faced with, unfortunately for him, is all these family members testifying on the impact it's had on him, the church members, et cetera, et cetera. he will be placed in a position to try to cross examine him which i don't think he's competent to do. on the other hand, is he going to testify himself? in the beginning he did not want to have the death penalty but he was prepared to plead guilty to
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life imprisonment. the question, what is he really going to do here? it's going to be on him. ultimately he may play and the argument may be that there is a juror or two who will not impose the death penalty. we saw this in a case in boston. that can always happen in a death penalty case. not as likely here, but it is the question of the prosecution putting on that case, hammering home the fact that this is a young man who knew exactly what he was doing, he planned it, he carried it out, and he should be put to death. the defense would then have to put on some litigation to say he's misguided, he's very youthful, he didn't get the kind of training that he needed. >> our reporting that you're alluding to there that he intends, dylan roof does, to represent himself in this sentencing phase, not to have a team of lawyers doing that. but in terms of -- and the other element here, i think, to keep in mind, the same jury, the same folks who sat through all this evidence the last couple weeks, they will be making this
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determination when they reconvene in january. is there anything about how dylan roof conducted himself in the courtroom, about how his lawyer handled this case, which is to say he was not aggressively challenging witnesses. he walked up to the survivor, apologized to her, dylan roof's lawyer did. is there anything about how dylan roof and his lawyer conducted themselves in this phase that might have any bearing on the determination made in the next phase? >> not really. the defense lawyer took the view, look, it's outrageous, we know it's outrageous, he did it. now let's get down to the real aspect of this case of can we save his life? being cordial and friendly and all that can help to some extent, but i don't think it will really matter when you get to the evaluation of the evidence. this jury has already seen and heard a lot. they're going to hear a lot more. many of the testimony they've heard will be impact statements where the family members will talk about the impact it's had on their lives.
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i don't think mr. roof is prepared to hear that. his defense lawyer would have been able to handle it, but i don't think he'll be able to do any kind of examination. i doubt he'll examine these witnesses at all. the best he'll do is maybe give a statement himself where he'll talk about his own life and things of that nature. but he may not even do that. i think he's resigned to the fact that he is going to lose, and he may get the death penalty. he doesn't want a mental health defense. they tried that at the beginning of the case, he then fired them. they made reference to the fact he's going to do it this time and he then fired them again. it seems he doesn't want that type of defense. >> john burris, i appreciate the time. >> thank you. to syria, the latest evacuation of aleppo. hundreds of civilians and fighters leaving that country as part of a deal to end four years of fighting. but tyiactivists say tens of thousands of people are still in aleppo and they may be in danger. history is being made with the
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defeat of the rebels in aleppo. secretary of state john kerry says it's time to end the conflict once and for all. >> it is imperative that key actors step up and do their part. i call on the entire international community to join in exerting pressure on all parties to go forward with the process that has been laid out for some period of time now, to abide by the cessation of hostilities, to bring an end to the cruelty start nging in alep which lays the groundwork to take steps particularly in aleppo. >> dan rivers is inside that city and has more. >> reporter: after four long years, the battle for aleppo is finally over. the rebels are boarding the 25 buses behind me to be taken out of the city into the countryside.
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this has been a tortuous negotiation which has seen resumed shelling behind that enclave. finally those differences have been smoothed out between the different vested interests in this conflict. turkey, russia and iran have finally come together to make this happen, and there will no doubt be a huge sigh of relief across the city and across the world as finally the fighting and suffering that has pun punctuated this war to bring people inside is over. the war is far from over. the siege of aleppo is over. back to you. >> dan rivers in aleppo. thanks for that. all the focus of russia's
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here is a question from a new poll. how much did russia tip the scales in the u.s. election? 59% say they had no effect. russia's interference had no effect on the outcome, but look at this. people who say it did have an impact, pretty one-sided, about a third of all people, 32%, say the impact was to help donald trump. 1% said all the hacking, all the sbirc interference there helped hillary clinton. this raises the question if far more people think it helped donald trump than hillary clinton, what are things said about putin? is donald trump too accommodating when it comes to russia? 50% of people say yes, he is. is he too confrontational, 15%. does he have it about right, 14%. probably won't surprise you to find out more democrats say he's too accommodating on russia than republicans, but still, half the
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country say he's too accommodating when it comes to russia. 59% say those hacks didn't have an impact on the election. it doesn't mean they're not a big deal, but just in terms of the impact on the election. still ahead, is verizon having second thoughts now that yahoo has revealed another massive data breach, this time involving more than a billion accounts. there are reports that verizon may want out of its $14.8 billion deal to buy the tech giant. see me. don't stare at me. see me. see me. see me to know that psoriasis is just something that i have. i'm not contagious. see me to know that... ...i won't stop until i find what works. discover cosentyx, a different kind of medicine for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. proven to help the majority of people find clear or almost clear skin. 8 out of 10 people saw 75% skin clearance at 3 months. while the majority saw 90% clearance. do not use if you are allergic to cosentyx. before starting, you should be tested for tuberculosis.
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yahoo stock falling more than 6% today after the company revealed a second massive data breach. the company disclosing yesterday that hackers stole information on more than a billion user accounts back in 2013. this comes less than three months after yahoo revealed that a different set of hackers were able to steal information on more than 500 million users in 2014. ali joins us with a closer look at what happened. half a billion in '14, how is it we only find out years later? >> this is a big problem, and some of it is we don't know. we don't know when they found out. this definitely has been discovered since. as you said, in september they found the 500 million. these are the big ones in the last little while. sometimes they hang onto this information because they don't know what's happening with it.
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it's billions of names that are sold for nothing on the internet, and until someone starts doing something with it, you don't know. we don't know, and yahoo is the worst in the world at this. there is no company that can mess this up bigger than yahoo ca can. friend finder, millions stolen from friend finder. ebay lost a lot of people. 150,000 out of that billion that yahoo is talking about are federal government employees, many of them department of justice, cia, national security bhit house. so the kind of information you don't want is out there. maybe some of these people are operatives. we might learn where they live, so it's very dangerous. e-mails phone numbers, dates of birth and the security questions. which means if you are one of these people, and even if you're not, if you're using the same stuff all over the place, change
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the pass words and use different security questions. it gets confusing but there are pieces of software that can help you get through it here's another problem. yahoo is being bought by verizon. verizon going, i don't know if it's worth it at this point. they learned about the half a billion, now a billion more names. it's not that yahoo isn't a perfectly good run company, we've known that for a while, but if people get their identity stolen, they'll sue. they have to make good, so verizon is saying is it worth it to do that? that's why the stock is down, because verizon is thinking whether they want it or not. thanks for that. appreciate it as always. right back after this. llac xt5.. what should we do? ...tailored to you.
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time is something that cannot be bought. it cannot be wagered with god, and it is not an endless supply. >> well, that was sportscaster craig sager just a few months ago. over the summer, he was honored with some espy awards. craig sager has passed away after a several-year battle with cancer. he's passed away at the age of 65. if you're an nba fan, if you've watched nba basketball at all over the last quarter century, you know exactly who craig sager is. if you watched any major sport, chances are you saw craig sager at some point. he was a sideline reporter, he
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interviewed coaches, he interviewed plays. he was known for his colorful wardrobe, but he was known for also for his incredible love of life, for the work he did in the broadcast news field, the sports reporting field and, of course, for a courageous and very public battle with cancer that unfortunately ends in craig sager's passing today at the age of 65. somebody who by sports fans and non-sports fans will be missed dearly. i'm steve kornacki in new york. "mtp daily" starts right now. if it's thursday, president-elect donald trump is accusing intel agencies of playing politics, though this time in the face of nearly incontrovertible evidence. tonight a u.n. intel bombshell ties russian president vladimir putin

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