tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC December 19, 2016 7:00pm-8:01pm PST
peep li pipeline. one of the electors in hawaii also broke ranks and voted for bernie sanders. so that's part of the scorecard forever. today's results will be counted by congress on january 6th. but today the electoral college made it official. those people all get votes. hillary clinton gets some votes, but donald trump will be the 45th president of the united states. now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." we've got a lot of breaking news to get to. as you now, it was a day of death and destruction in turkey and germany. >> two horrifying and deadly acts overseas. a truck plowing into a berlin christmas market. multiple people reportedly qu l
killed. >> damage to the truck severe, testifying to the carnage it created. >> they have an individual believed to be the drover in custody. >> at this point, authorities are not ready to say whether this was intentional or an accident. >> the russian ambassador to turkey was assassinated today. >> speaking at a photography exhibit and never saw his killer. >> this was a very targeted message, directed at a russian government official. >> he said don't forget aleppo. don't forget syria. you will not taste security if our regions are not safe. >> this kind of anger bubbling out now as aleppo goes under, and we see the absolute misery of the people. >> there's no way to justify this kind of terrorist act. >> vladimir putin spoke on russian television saying that the bandits will feel russia's response.
>> 12 people dead, 48 injured after a truck ran into a crowd at a christmas market. there was a passenger identified as a polish citizen found dead in the truck. berlin police also said on twitter that the truck may have been stolen from a construction site in poland. they are not yet calling this a terrorist attack. but the white house said in a statement this afternoon, the united states condemns in the strong eest terms what appears be a terror attack on a christmas market in berlin. we have been in touch with german officials and stand ready to assist. the state department says in a tweet that it appears to be a terror attack. the department had issued a
warning of a heightened risk of terror attacking, particularly at outdoor markets. this came four months after an attack in nice, france where a truck rammed into a crowd at a bastille day celebration. also today, the russian ambassador to turkey was assassinated by a man who shouted "god is great", as he fired shots at close range in an art gallery where the ambassador was speaking. he was a local police officer. the 22 officer was the member of the riot squad. the entire event was captured on video. we will show you now an edited version of that video that does not show the moment when the ambassador was actually killed.
after the shooting, the assassin yelled in turkish "don't forget aleppo, don't forget syria." russia has supported the syrian government which has reportedly carried out execution-style killings of citizens in allen mow, a -- aleppo. and putin said this committed crime is undoubtedly a provocation. there's only one possible response to this, the strengthening of the fight against terror and bandits will feel it themself the. turkey's president said we know this is a provocation aiming to destroy the normalization process of turkey/russian relations, but the turkish
government has the will not to fall into that provocation. joining us now, a professor of international affairs and the author of "the lost khrushchev." she is the great granddaughter of nikita khrushchev. malcolm, just give us your reaction to the events of the day in both germany and turkey. >> well, the first thing that comes to mind for me, and i know i have a completely different way of viewing things is were these two events coordinated in any way, shape or form. first we have the assassination in ankara. clearly visible. the officer had planned this and made his way into that location and took a very public way of assassinating this individual and had a very solid political bent.
it was about aleppo. it was about the suffering that he believed that he perceived inside of syria. i no know traveling the muslim world, it is a very, very highly emotional thing to see children killed in syria. and most people seem to forget, turkey is a muslim nation. so they have people who feel the same way that iraqis, saudis all feel when they see these murders. on the other hand, we have berlin, which if it is an attack had to be a highly-coordinated attack for an individual. we call these suicide vehicle as weapons attacks, as they seize a vehicle and use it as a weapon system. israel's had over 50 of these attacks. nice we saw on bastille day had this. but this individual may have killed the actual driver of the truck and driven it down and possibly used it as a weapon system. most importantly, that individual had to be a skilled
truck driver. these trucks are highly sophisticated. very involved gearing and hydraulics on it. this is not something you just hear about a shooting in ang kara and decide to run out and do it yourself, certainly at the christmas markets in berlin. it's highly unusual. >> ammon, your remarks and the possibility of a coordination between the two? >> yeah, i would pick up malcolm's point and take it a little further to say whether the individual, the gunman in the shooting of the russian ambassador in turkey was in any way, shape or form connected to a terror organization, was he coordinated? was he directed? was this part of something more structured than what may appear to be an emotional outburst, if you will, as malcolm was saying was watching neighboring syria, not doing anything, watching his country become closer with
russia that, you know, is perceived by millions in the arab world as an aggressor and decided to act out. that's a sentiment that is increasingly common among a lot of people, both in turkey as well as the broader arab world. so i would be looking at that and add one more incident to all of this, which is that incident that took place in jordan yesterday. that also shows a certain degree of sophistication, because it was a very brazen attack that killed jordanian security officers. killed a canadian woman as well. so when you look at all these incidents, you can then put them on kind of a larger matrix of the threat that is emerging. some of them very crude, some of them very crude in at least appearing to be very happenstance. others much more organized, much more deliberate in the political message that they are sending. >> nina, how will vladimir putin and the russian people regard what happened to the ambassador today? >> well, you cited, in your
show, the clip where he spoke about the bandits and they are going to, as he said, to find out who did this. he talked to president erdogan, and they seem to be in agreement that the major reason for this attack was to derail the relationship or reengage relationship between turkey and russia, and they're looking in fact in the russian press at least, there's a lot of information about the gunman and in the russian press, there is information that in fact the gunman was a police officer, but he was fired from being a police officer after the coup that happened this summer against erdogan, and he's already, the gunman is already connected to the orchestrater of the coup. so it is the threat that is
emerging that those who want to derail a relationship between turkey and russia, because turkey should stay on the side of the west, and russia now is an enemy, and therefore, their relationship, if they continue to kcozy up to each other may pose a threat to the west. and therefore the west wants to spl separate the two. >> ayman, i want to go back to this. we haven't established any facts about the assassination as of yet, and it seems to be a story that both possibly the turkish regime and the russian regime would want to be the truth about the assassin. >> i think you're going to see in the next couple hours and days try to pin this person's profile in a way that could fit the narrative of what they wanted to send with an assassination like this. there's a few things to keep in mind,lawrence, aleppo is not
controlled by isis. turkish security forces are pretty professional. many of them not necessarily concryp concrypt conscrip conscripts. he would have been vetted. so there would have been some background that the authorities in turkey would know about this individual, his family. we know that they've already detained some of his relatives and are questioning his roommate, who is also a member of the police force. look. i've been following turkish media for the last couple hours. i've spoken to a lot of turkish people in the opposition as well as those close to the akp party, and both are telling my different things about his background. some of them are saying this is an individual who based on his facebook posts, things that nbc has not independently verified, but some things suggest he may have in the last couple years been an islamist, been somebody
leaning towards al nusra front. that's one of the groups linked to al qaeda. at one point, they're saying this is a person who was a part of the security detail that guarded large demonstrations and events that included president erdogan, so he must have been trusted by the inner parties. it's very hard to identify which part of it is true. but you will siee as we learn more about him, you will get a profile depending on the narrative of who wants to spin what. the turkish government is saying he is linked to the gulenist movement. >> malcolm, it sounds like we're going do spend to spend a coupl trying to sort out the facts
about this assassin while the governments in question have agendas about what they want the facts to be about that assassin. >> yeah, and ayman is absolutely right. each party is setting up the profile of this individual. you know, as a counter terrorism professional, i know, i always look to the individual to tell me what he's really about. like you said, his facebook posts. his family, his immediate family. how he actually carried out this attack. i can tell you one thing for a fact. that man was trained to be a close protection specialist. you can just tell by the way he holds his hands, the way his w profile was before the attack. his ability to shoot in close quarters and defend after the attack. now that does not lean towards him being, you know, certainly the things he said after the attack don't lean towards him being a gulenist, but the turkish government is down on
relating everybody to gulen. the russians appear to have jumped onto that disinformation bandwagon and are also coordinating that. and at some point, someone's getting a concession out of turkey if the russians and the turks both agree that this is what the story is going to be. however, that may not play well within turkey, because they do have a, i mean, the ekp party in turkey is actually, does have a base of islamism. and people are going to be upset about the images and the things that they see, and russia is very well-known for causing the massacre that exists in aleppo by treating it like the city of gross nia and chechnya, bombing everything indiscriminately. so the people on the street, it's very interesting. i want to see in future reporting from ayman and richard engel how that's going to play to the average turk. erdogan has some control over
this narrative, but that doesn't mean the people will buy into it. >> if you really take this and separate it a little bit from the politics, what you have here is a mike crow come. this is what happens when people have a break down and feel that their governments are breaking down, their policies are not representing the will of the people and alliances are shifting all the time. you get a individual who could be disgruntled and deranged because of what he is seeing and no way to identify himself with this very political, heinous act. you get a sense of why radicalization happens at an accelerated rate when these types of wars go in these directions that we're seeing in aleppo and other parts of the region. >> let's listen to what a member
of the russian duma said. this murder is an attempt to blame russia for all the crimes and sins she did not commit. they are completely ignoring the crimes of fighters in aleppo. this is a result of anti-russian hysteria, raised in the west and supported by a certain part of turkish society. nina, your reaction to that. >> that is absolutely what the russian state and those who speak for the russian state actually like to see is that russia is always a victim, and the west is out to get them as they always argue. and so turkey now of understands that. but i also want to underscore what ayman was saying. i think it's very important that in turkey perhaps, even if erdogan chooses certain politics and unites with vladimir putin, it doesn't mean that the country will. and his position could become
even more vulnerable, because there was already one coup he crushed, but there was a month, and there is no such possibility in russia, so we really don't know what the consequences of this kind of development will be. russia can unite together or they will actually divide further apart. >> nina, malcolm and ayman, thank you all for joining us tonight. appreciate it. coming up, michelle obama tells oprah how she feels about the presidential election and who's moving into the white house. and steve clemons and e.j. dionne will take a look at donald trump's reaction at what happened in turkey and germany today. for lower back pain sufferers the search for relief often leads... here, or here. today there's a new option. introducing drug-free aleve direct therapy. a tens device with high intensity power that uses technology once only available in doctors' offices. its wireless remote let's you control the intensity.
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civilized order and must be universally condemned. his second statement said our hearts and prayers are with the loved ones of the victims of the horrifying terror attack in berlin. innocent civilians were murdered in the streets as they prepared to celebrate the christmas holiday. isis and other terrorists continue to slaughter yis ychris as part of their global jihad. they must be eliminated from the earth. joining us now, steve clemons, editor at large at the atlantic and a msnbc contributor. there was an oddity at the beginning of the trump statement about what happened in berlin. where he says our hearts and prayers. the white house used the normal phrase for that, which is our
thoughts and prayers. they used that in both of the statements. you get the feeling that with the trump statements, there are people in trump tower who've never had to compose these things who are kind of doing their best to put the proper language in there but also enough trumpist kind of anger to put their own stamp on it. >> what really struck me about the statements was particularly the second statement, where trump was going out of his way to suggest that this was all about a radical jihadi war against christians. he specifically mentioned christmas and repeated the word yis ya christians, so he's trying to put this in his own context, which is context, and there was also something suggesting right away that this is radical jihadist
terrorism, which is the stock phrase i wanhe wants to use abol of this. there is still a lot we're trying to figure out about this. and so you worry a little bit about trump being on a kind of rhetorical hair trigger that could liead to other kinds of hair triggers. >> steve clemons, your reaction? >> what went through my mind was on january 28, 1982, i was riding my bicycle to ucla and i came upon the incident where a young armenian man had assassinated the turkish consul general in los angeles. and at that time, a lot of people developed stories very quickly. it was one of the most traumatic events i saw. but many people jump to conclusion us, and you saw donald trump do that with a man we don't know much about. he clearly doesn't look like the
terrorists we are used to seeing. but there are many grievances that seem to be exploding throughout the world, whether they are in aleppo, whether they are in north africa, libya. there are a lot of things going on. and so the line that will drove people to take horrific acts is no longer necessarily isis or al nusra or some radical islamic movement. there may be other palpable reasons that people are taking actions that they feel are justified. though i don't justify them, it's important to understand where they're coming from, assassinating people or taking on violent issues, and i think people should look back at some of the things that happened in the past, and i just remember this is1982 incident, it's what came to mind over and over again. >> today's events have overshadowed something that happened over the weekend but once again was unlike anything we've ever seen, a unique donald trump production when china
picked up a navy research drone, u.s. navy research drone that they said was basically adrift, and they claimed they were picking it up for safety, to get it out of the way. the united states was already working on getting it back with some levels of cooperation from china when donald trump tweeted china steals united states navy research drone in international waters, riches it out of the water, takes it to china, an unprecedented act. of course a lot of people know that the first time he wrote that tweet he misspelled unprecedented and had to reissue it. then as china becomes more cooperative, the same person who tweeted that when china says they're prepared to give back the drone and they want to give it back, donald trump tweets, we should tell china that we don't want the drone they stole back. let them keep it. now i can't think of a more unhinged set of statements by
someone days away from the presidency. >> i was completely flummoxed when i saw that tweet this weekend. it is sometimes hard to figure out what trump is trying to say. i mean, there was a kind of schoolyard taunt to it, you know, you want to give me back my baseball bat, i don't want did anymore. and he's talking about a drone. it's all policy toward china. since the election has been very, shall we say, improvised as he goes along. there was the call with the taiwanese president, which broke with the very long policy we've had of not having official relations with taiwan but selling them weapons, and we kept this balance which has preserved taiwan's independence without doing it without the cost of war, and he threw that up in the air with that phone call, and it was never clear whether that call was accidental or whether it was a part of a
policy change in his operation kind of back filled to suggest it might be a policy change. so i think there's just a lot that trump himself hasn't figured out yet, it seems, and it's really hard for the rest of us to figure out what he's up to. >> this tweet really does seem like his most off-the-meds moment since the campaign. we should tell china we don't want the drone they stole, let them keep it. let them keep it. i've changed my mind in my bursts of anger. >> he's a seriously reckless leader, and i think we need to get our heads around what that may mean. i think many people have written about this notion that america may be at a point where it doesn't enjoy the super power status anymore. being a super power is mystique, having other countries trust you knowing that you'll be there for your dark days. every country is doubting donald
trump and every country's aviefl in the united states is saying what the heck is going on, and every nation is changing its behavior. so fragility around the world everywhere is kind of at a modern high in the last hundred years, if you will, and i think this is going to be a very awkward time. these tweets are reckless. amateurish. you know, add lessant, and you just don't deal with the rising power. i just finished, china was the country that we have been worried about as it rose, which we are sort of contributed to. let's see the rising power of china without engaging in conflict. and donald trump seems to be racing towards conflict with china. and it will have staggering consequences for us and for them. >> so he, he began the weekend by objecting to china seizing a drone, and then he ended it by saying let them keep it, i, as
we close theis segment, invite all trump supporters out there to please tweet us the explanation the trump policy for suggesting china should keep any drones that it takes from the u.s. navy, why that's a good policy. thank you both for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> good to be with you. coming up next, everything were donald trump is, as he would put it, unprecedented. like his plan to use more personal security than the secret service provides. but will that make him safer? ♪ ♪ ♪ how else do you think he gets around so fast? take the reins this holiday and get the mercedes-benz you've always wanted during the winter event. now lease the 2017 gle350 for $579 a month
there are things money can't buy. one of them is secret service protection. no rich person has better personal protection than the president of the united states has with the secret service, but it seems donald trump isn't so sure about that. he intends to keep some of his private security guards when he becomes president. they will be led by keith schiller, who has been the leader of trump's private security guards for 14 years. the secret service has been unimpressed by keith schiller's performance. when a man rushed the stage at a trump rally in march, schiller reacted much slower than the secret service agents. in law enforcement circles his reaction was panned as too slow and the subject of disapproving conversation among agents, according to law enforcement
source briefed on the conversations. one agent described him as the jv trying to keep up in a varsity game. specifically, the source said schiller came from a position on the dais that the agents would have used to evacuate trump if that were to have been necessary. if that had happened, they would have run right into keith. he was about three seconds too late, the source said. secret service veterans told politico there are dangers to mixing private security guards with secret service agents. it's playing with fire said a former secret service eight who worked on president obama's protective detail during the 2012 reelection campaign. having a private security campaign working with secret service increases the secret service's liability and creates greater confusion and greater risk. he said you never want to co-mingle a police function with a private security function. but there could be legal
advantages for donald trump if he continues to use private security at his rallies. especially at his rallies. at those rallies, which have been considered private events, private security guards have greater legal authority for throwing out protesters in some situations than law enforcement officers do. joining us now is chief investigative reporter for politico who wrote this story. fascinating story. as we say with almost every trump story, unprecedented. no one's ever considered this. anyone who had any sort of private security as a presidential candidate, as soon as they got secret service protection dropped the private because they were getting an upgrade. but that's not the way donald trump sees it. >> that's right. trump is extremely loyal. he sort of likes the people that he's comfortable with. he's comfortable with keith
schiller. keith schiller has brought along and built this robust team to do security not just at the rallies as well as personal security for the candidate of the sort that the secret service would provide, they actually did intelligence where they would go to these towns beforehand, before these rallies and try to sleuth out protesters by going on their facebook groups, by going around beforehand and photographing them so that they could keep people out of these rallies. that's the kind of thing that secret service would not do, and that's the kind of thing that advantage in addition to just donald trump's comfort provides, and we understand that because donald trump expects to continue these rallies and to have an outside group, a non-profit group that can accept unlimited donations fund the rallies, he would be able to continue having this private security, additionally, we understand he plans to bring keith schiller into the white house with him as a personal aide who has the sort
of hybrid staff/security function, truly unprecedented. >> and ken, your article explains something that i've been wondering about all year, which is how do they throw these people out of the rallies? if any other candidate or certainly, or president, when they're out there on the road like that speaking. if someone gets up and heckles them and yells at them, no one tries to throw them out, and you've explained exactly the legal grounds on which that can occur pretty much only in a trump rally. >> yeah, that's right. the trump rally, i mean all these rallies are private rallies during the campaign. so the organizer of the rally of the campaign has an opportunity to determine who's an invited guest. most campaigns you have a major party nominee. you have staff who are basically determining who can come in and who can't come in, and they're not as eager to throw people
out, and when they do, they enlist the local law enforcement, who is typically paid over time by the campaign as a contractor to provide the security. and they are particularly leary abo about throwing people out who are seen as expressing their first amendment rights, donald trump, the security don't feel that kind of restrictions, but donald trump himself who engages in a very direct way with protesters during his rally, screaming "get them out." at one point in vermont in january of this year, he actually told his security to take away their coats and throw them out in the cold without their coats, so it's something that he really takes an interest in. and he has these people around him, including keith schiller who one source on the campaign described him at most important man you've never heard of, those are the people providing the service for him. >> great report in politico. thank you very much for joining us tonight, really appreciate
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and tremendous potential, and i actually think she made that statement not meaning it the way it came out, i really do. because i met with president obama and michelle obama in the white house, my wife was there. she could not have been nicer. i honestly believe she meant that statement in a different way than it came out. >> no, she didn't mean it in a different way. here's what michelle obama said tonight about the next president. >> as i've said time and time again. words matter. and they matter most to our kids. our young people. and the words that we say moving forward, all of us, it matters, which is one of the reasons why barack and i are so supportive of this transition, because no matter how we felt going into it, it is important for the health of this nation that we support the commander in chief. wasn't done when my husband took office. but we're going high.
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here's more of michelle obama with oprah winfrey. >> was there a time when you thought this period would make or break you? when did you feel the most tested? >> you know, i think i tend to push the challenges. this is a defense mechanism that i've had throughout my life. you know, the bad stuff i just don't hold onto. you know, so if we were to sit here and you were to read through some of the bad stuff, i'd be like, oh, yeah, i forgot all about that, ooh, yeah, i
think i was kind of mad then. but i think the way i handle things, and i, you know, we as women do it. we as black women better be able to do it, because there's so much that comes at us every day in subtle ways that could tear your soul apart if you let it. but my mother always taught me, girl, you better keep it movin', you know, you got to brush it off. and i think i've grown-up doing that. so the challenges, yeah, there are times that, you know, frustrated me, you know. this past election was challenging for mow ase me as c.
>> your reaction to this interview. elements of michelle obama that we hadn't seen before. >> yeah, i thought it was prerey honest, straightforward, it was a full sir equcircle, if i may. the michelle obama we saw eight years ago was clear and now battle tested. very honest and wanting to give us hope as she's leaving the white house. >> and maria theresa, very frank, very clear answers to oprah's questions. >> that was refreshing. she was also sending a reminder to congress. she was very straightforward, saying you did not work with my husband when he was president, what that did was undermine the institution. we don't want that to continue. we want to make sure we are part of the transition. melania has an open door with us. she's trying to change business as usual and like she said, when
they go low we go high. >> one thing she did say about the transition in 2008 was that the bushes themself tves as a couple were very gracious, very helpful. that was the most positive part of the transition tor the obafo obamas. >> what we are seeing is the peaceful transfer of power as they experienced were the buith bushes. she said we have to try to help, try to make him a better president if we can, but also reminding us that we need to be hopeful. we need to have open heart and really treat each other better. >> thanks to the precedent set by hillary clinton, first lady the nladys get asked if think plan to run for office. >> there was a precedent, it was more that when people saw her on
the campaign trail, lawrence, people loved her. like they listened to her, saw her as a guiding light. i think right now she is the mother of the democratic party, anything she says, not only in this healing manner but a welcoming manner, opening it up to other individuals, not just the progressive movement, saying this is where we want our future to be. sh she has incredible clout. i think she is the mother of the democratic party. >> do you expect her to retire or be out there doing fundraisers n fundraisers for democrats? >> i would love to see know tus for popotus. but i don't think that's going to be happening. >> i think she wants, i mine, just when oprah asked her, what do you wish for the future of this country, and once again, she was very much saying i want people to have open hearts and be hopeful and i think that is
the way she'll move forward. >> thank you both for joining us tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you, lawrence. >> thanks, lawrence. >> >> msnbc's live coveragen continues into the 11th hour with brian williams. that's next. s tonight, the death toll has risen in berlin after a tractor trailer drives into a crowd of christmas shoppers, igniting new fears of terrorism. and the assassination of a russian ambassador carried out on camera in front of reporters. how will putin respond? breaking tonight, the so-called red phone to russia. the white house warned the kremlin not to interfere in the election just days before the vote. and a definitive answer from the first lady about whether she would ever consider a run for the office. "the 11th hour" begins now.