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says they're hiring five dozen more journalists. the jobs are spread across video, print and online, one is focussing on deep dives in a hurry, the kind of coverage we're going to need for the next decade and beyond. for bucking the trend of offering a glimmer of hope that excellence will be rewarded with jobs, the wash post hel wanted sign is the best new thing in the world today, and as rachel says, wherever you live, please subscribe to your local paper. most of them don't have a billionaire owner. they need you. that's our show, now it's time foro'donnell. >> people expect to get everything for free on the internet, and here is an internet-based billionaire who
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comes along and saves the washington post. >> i think they welcome him in the side door. >> thank you very much, ari. >> thanks, lawrence. it was bound to happen, the theoretical obama versus trump presidential campaign is officially unday, and this time we all get to pick our own winner. >> the president-elect's new tweets. >> i'm not sure this is the best way to communicate. >> he wrote, the world was gloomy before i won. there was no hope. [ laughter ] >> and slapping the u.n. as just a club for people to get together, talk and have a good time. so sad. >> we must resist the urge to turn inward, to demonize those who are different. >> barack obama making news by saying, hey, if he'd been running, he would have beaten donald trump. >> i think i could have mobilized the majority of american people. >> president obama says he thinks he would have won against
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me, he would say that, but i would say no way. >> his use of social media in particular is something that's ne never been seen before. i think that's exciting part of the job. >> donald trump has no filter and is able to tweet whatever he wants. >> 140 characters or less is not the way to make any type of policy. 49 days after the real presidential election that produced the surreal results of a former first lady, senator and secretary losing the electoral college to a tv reality star and who happened to be caught on video boasting about his preferred methods of sexual assault, 49 days after that election, the theoretical obama versus trump presidential campaign has begun. and each of the candidates thinks he would bea the other.
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>> i am confident in this vision, because i'm confident that if i, if i had run again and articulated it, i think i could have mobilized a swrort of the american people to rally behind it. >> donald trump, unsurprisie ii tweeted president obama said that he thinks he would have won against me, but i say no way. and this afternoon, trump said president obama -- he has an approval rating of 56%. president-elect trump has a 48% approval rating, the lowest in history.
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he picked the second best of the day to try bury an announcement. his office announced on christmas eve that he intends to dissolve the donald j. trump foundation, the same foundation being investigated by the attorney general of new york, the attorney general says he cannot dissolve the foundation as long as it is being investigat. the surprising fact that donald trump has contributed exactly no money to the trump foundation in the last eight years, donald trump has not produced a single record of him making a single charitable contribution in the last eight years. david fahrenthold's reporting showed that his work involved the i the use of other people's money. joining us now, a professort
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georgia state southern university, and yamiche alcindor. let's go to the obama versus trump presidential campaign. what is your theory of that theoretical campaign? who would win it? >> i can't say who would win it. what i can say is that obama of course is imagining himself as the change candidate, the candidate who really came out in 2008 and blew hillary clinton out of the water, so i think he's looking at himself as someone who be able to cap the hearts of americans. there are large counties that went for obama and switched to trump. that tells me that trump became the hot hand, the candidate that people saw as a change agent and the candidate that people thought were talking for them. and that was the working class
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people and people who really wanted something different in this economy. so i think it's really tough to say who would have won, but i think donald trump has a good backing in that he was able to kind of harness the obama way of doing things and win this election. >> jared, what's your theory on if president obamaould have run for a third term? >> i think he has shown a little of the spirit of the campaign that he had and i think he really wants to put his message out there and compete against trump in the arena of ideas, and i think it would have been a very different campaign, it would have been a lot more in terms of obama's sort of agenda. i think we would have talked a lot more about what has gone on these past eight years and looked at the country in a lot different ways as opposed to how
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trump painted this country. >> president obama seems to think he would have done a better job connecting with those vors who did switch from voting for obama to voting for trump. >> yeah. and i think that's true. look, hillary clinton almost won this election. so he only needed to do a little bit better than she did to win it. and i think he would have done a little bit better. he would not have had the liabilities that she had, he would not have the investigation by the fbi, the media of 40 years. in the minds of lot of people, theyust didn't trust hillary clinton. but president obama's numbers have been ticking upwards. why did the president say this? i think, i would imagine that he is irritated that what was sort of a layup election ended up getting lost by his party. and i think he thinks if the outcome had been in his hands, it would have been different.
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>> i would jump in really quickly and say hillary clinton in some ways was running on a third term of obama. a lot of the policy, a lot of the things that he wanted to to. so it's really tough to think that obama, while he diddan't he the same flaws as hillary clinton, the message did not rile up as many people as he needed. that tells me that obama would have a tough time just on his record. >> the clinton campaign's own analysis says it was the comey letters. there would be no comey letter factor in anyone but hillary clinton as the nominee. barack obama supremely talented performer out there as a campaigner. as josh says, you just needed to do a little bit better, and that little bit better could be
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measured in how many letters from the fbi enter the campaign. >> i think that's exactly right. and when you really look at the entire arc of the trump campaign, his main message that he gave to voters was this idea of corrupt hillary. and that was the narrative he had there and he colored hillary clinton with, i think we'd see a lot different result. >> all right, i'mle ca calling, officially calling the obama versus trump campaign for barack obama. yamiche, we're going to leave you out of the voting. we understand your position. i want to get to a problem that developed over the weekend for the trump campaign, and i have a problem actually reporting on this story, this is carl palladino, the extreme racist from new york state who's a
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friend and supporter of donald trump, very rich supporter of donald trump, i cannot read the things that he said about both barack obama and michelle obama, deeply racist, ugly things that the trump transition team eventually came out and condemned. but josh, we haven't heard anything from donald trump about this. and donald trump is pals with carl palladino, and donald trump finds time to tweet about alec baldwin's performances on "saturday night live" and smaller things than that. >> yeah. the fact that the transition issued a statement condemning the remarks is more than they usually do. so you have seen carl palladino cop-o come out and say he didn't mean to send the comments to the press. he's an elected official, a member of the school board in the stiff buffa-- city of buffa.
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he is accountable to voters. he is going to come up for election if he wants to keep that seat. so he felt the need to walk this back. i don't think we will see trump tweet about how upset he is with palladino. the trump people are not amused by this and don't view this as a politically constructive thing. >> where will his seats be at the inauguration? >> that's the bigger question of it, too, right? it's this behavior by carl palladino is sort of indicative of the ugliness that trump has loosed out into the mainstream of america. it's been there for decades. you've heard things in private. these are the kinds of things that people said, the type of things that they would pass around on the internet. and you look at what palladino said, you have to think that trump has some responsibility for changing the course of this
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country andle all allowing this under the surface. >> and yamiche, donald trump took christmas eve to get out of the problem called the trump foundation. the only thing is that the attorney general of the state of new york is saying no, you are not legally allowed to dissolve that foundation as long as it is under investigation by the attorney general. >> it's a problem that's going to continue to plague donald trump. you mentioned the reporting from the new york post. and this is just an example of the conflicts of interest that donald trump has. this charity, the fact that he was not using his money, but other pe other people's money, and he's saying that all the money was used for charity and some of it may have been used to pay off lawsuits. these are just examples of the problems that donald trump will have moving forward. also his real estate holdings, his hotels, whether he's going to set up a blind trust.
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whether his children will be able to be confidantes while running the business. there are so many conflicts of interest, and this is one that's not going to go away. >> thank you all for joining us tonight. coming up, the one thing president obama says he was not afraid of. and how donald trump plans to use twitter once he's in the oval office. and how thrilled his future press secretary is about that. ♪ ♪ lend him a helping hand. ♪ put a little love in your heart. ♪ ♪ take a good look around... ♪ ...and if you're lookin' down, ♪ ♪ put a little love in your heart. ♪ ♪put a little love in your heart.♪ ♪ in your heart. (avo) the subaru share the love event is happening now and will have given ninety million dollars to help real people like these.
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tower. and donald trump himself was not in trump tower. he's currently in florida. up next, what one of president obama's closest advisers asked him about his mental health.
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interviewing someone you know with is difficult. it's a bit fake. you're asking questions you know the answers to, but it also might give you access to parts of the heart and mind of the person you're interviewing that other interviewers may not find.
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that's what happened with david axelrod. he has worked with them up close and looked deep into their eyes and in most of them saw at least a touch of insanity. that's what made him ask his friend barack obama why he's not nuts. that's the way david axelrod actually put it. he said to the president, i want to know why you're not nuts. david axelrod uses stronger language thank i do for the same phenomenon. i looked in the eyes of politicians hoping to see a real person there and almost never did. i didn't think they were insane, that's david axelrod's word for it. i thought they were shallow and vain and needy. they share many characteristics of actors but don't have any talent. one of the differences is to
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examine the attitude tooward losing. most politicians simply cannot imagine the day after losing. they fear losing more than anything else in life, more than losing their marriages, and that fear controls everything they do, everythg. that fear turns them into robots, reading from teleprompters, index cards, playing out the script of their lives, written by that fear. that fear drives them to extremes, the kind of extremes that david axelrod thought were necessary to win the presidency. that's why he wasn't sure senator barak obama had the right stuff to run for president. >> i don't know if y remember this conversation i had with you when you came to my office right, the, you got back from hawaii, you were about to make
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the decision to run, you came in unannounced, and we talked for a long time. and ile to told you, i'm not su you're pathological enough to run for president. i didn't think you had that pathological need that so many people who run for president do. and i don't know why that is, because your dad abandoned you, basically, when you were 2 years old, and your mom, i know she was very loving, but you were separated from her for long periods of time. and if you were just looking at those facts, you'd say, yeah, thisfy fguy's going to be a rea needy person. why, why didn't you turn out that way? >> look, you don't know, it's hard to get outside of yourself completely, and evaluate all the factors that contribute to your character. some of it is just temperament. now that we've been parents and
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you're a grand pa, you start noticing, there is an essence of each kid that, barring really severe trauma, expresses itself. that's who they are. and so there is something in me, obviously, that is very calm and generally pretty happy. and pretty buoyant. then david axelrod on his pod cast took us to a place where presidential interviews never go. >> did you feel, did you feel, i mean, this is a weird question to ask, because you're president of the united states, but did you feel loved as a kid. >> i did. >> and why? was it your grand parents? >> my mom was, she was eccentric in many ways. she was -- >> kind of a hippy, right? >> yeah. but she always insisted on shaving her legs, but she was,
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she was somebody who was, was hungry for adventure and skeptical of convention, but sh she loved the heck out of her kids. what i did learn is that unconditional love makes up for an awful lot, and i got that from her. now part of going back to the question about politics though -- >> you never feared losing. you didn't like it. you're competitive. >> i am. >> i've -- >> you know, you know what it was, david, and i think has remained true is that it's not that i didn't fear losing. it's that i feared more being dishonest or being a jerk or losing respect for myself. i feared that more than losing. >> most politicians don't have an honest answer to the
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question, what do you fear more than losing. president obama went on to tell david axelrod that having gone from 15 minutes of national fame as the first african-american president of the harvard lawr law review, to being a back bencher in the state of illinois, gave him experience with the rhythms of ups and downs, and that helped balance him when he was shot out of a can canon, as he put it. >> by that time, i was fully formed, had a good sense of who i was, had a good sense of what was important and what wasn't. >> president obama talked about the people who have helped keep himself real, the people who don't call him mr. president. >> look. you know, i was also married to a woman who was not going to put up with any foolishness.
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>> mm-hm. >> and, you know, michelle, i can't underestimate the degree to which having a life partner who is so grounded and so strong and steady and fundamentally honest helped. >> sometimes brutally so. >> sometimes brutally so, but it, she has been balanced for our family. >> yeah. >> and i, no doubt, contributed to me feeling calm, because here's what i knew about michelle. the same way i knew about my girls or high sister or my best friends. their relationships with me never depended on my successor outward success. they didn't, my best friends from high school don't operate any differently with me now than they did -- >> and they're around a lot.
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you have them here a holot, yea. >> they do not call you mr. president. >> they do not. >> we leave you to imagine kellyanne conway's exit interview four or eight years from now. up next, what donald trump's been up to this weekend. per roll more "doing chores for dad" per roll more "earning something you love" per roll bounty is more absorbent, so the roll can last 50% longer than the leading ordinary brand. so you get more "life" per roll. bounty, the quicker picker upper at planters, we put fresh roawhich has its, guys, know anything about this missing inventory? wasn't me! the cheeks don't lie, chet...
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