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all of this as new york and cities across the globe take extraordinary steps to beef up security just one day ahead of new year's eve 2016. let's get right to the breaking news though. russia's president vladimir putin a short time ago saying russia will not be expelling any american diplomats from russia. that's in response to the new round of u.s. sanctions against russia announced late yesterday by the obama administration from moscow's alleged interference in the u.s. presidential election. >> we've been clear all along. there will be consequences. we will respond at a time and place of our choosing and that's what you're seeing done today. >> donald trump also weighing in this morning saying he will be meeting with intelligence officials about the matter next week. we've got the best team of reporters in the biusiness following all the angles with the late breaking details. we start with pentagon correspondent hans nichols. first, mr. putin saying no
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american diplomats will be expelled from russia. remember our conversation here on air yesterday afternoon where the predominant thinking was that we would, in fact, see the same number of diplomats expelled. what happened? >> reporter: chris, that's what american officials were expecting. this is standard tit for tat retaliation. one expels some spies, one retaliates and sends theirs home. throwing a bit of a curve ball, surprising everyone and what he did in some ways was a set-up, the lead-upme. you saw him suggesting the 35 diplomats should be expelled so that this would happen at the last second and playing role of the benevolent president saying that this wasn't going to happen, even inviting children to the party. real quick, pictures in of a plane that russia is going to be sending. i believe these pictures are of a russian plane that will be
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leading towards washington, dc picking up these diplomats. i don't know if it will make a stop in san francisco but clearly trying to send all the signals out there that they're participating, they're going to accept this and not, as mr. eau t putin says, retaliate. >> why san francisco? >> that's where some of the consular officials were. so the 35 officials is the white house and state department said were not behaving in a manner consistent with diplomatic or consular activities and nice way to say the spies and some as well in the dc. >> in terms of timing, what are you hearing about that part of this? why did president obama decide to impose these new sanctions against russia as he'sbouto walk out the door? >> it seemed like it was ready, right? they had been deliberating a long time in terms of what available levers they had, what levers they could pull, what options and went back and said, we're going to expand this executive order that they initially put out for the sony
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hacks in 2015 and add four more people to that. these are the four gru high ranking, the directorate of t russia, equivalent of the cia. in some ways though, the link they're making on expelled spies doesn't necessarily have to do with the cyber as the component of interfering in the u.s. elections. it has to do with harassment of u.s. officials in russia. so the four that were put on those names and five institutions, that was the main cyber response and importantly, craig, they also put out this paper giving u.s. cyber firms inside knowledge on how to defend against additional cyber attacks. clearly, the u.s. was bracing for potential more action from russia. >> quickly here before i let you go, harassment of our diplomats there in russia. what kind of harassment are we talking about here?
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>> there's this picture, video camera picture of u.s. employee going into the embassy being taken down quite aggressively by a russian police officer and mike mcfall can talk about this and followed phone calls, this is, the message was, got to be too much. >> hans nichols, our man at the pentagon, joining us from washington, dc. thank you. let's get some reaction now from president-elect donald trump. for that, live to nbc's kelly o'donnell in west palm beach, florida. kelly o., mar-a-lago is where you are at this point. are we hearing anything new from the trump team in reaction to all of this? >> reporter: nothing new this morning, and we do expect since this is the final business day of the year that the president-elect is taking meetings, doing work to plan for his administration and his inaugur inaugural, but the president-elect has put out a statement since these actions unfolded and it is a notable
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statement in terms of the message that donald trump is sending. he said it's time for our country to move on. to bigger and better things, sorry, i lost it for a second. nevertheless, in the interest of our country and its great people, i will meet with leaders of the intelligence community next week in order to be updated on the facts in this situation. so what's notable to me in this is that there are two messages. one, wanting to move on, looking ahead to his own administration and not wanting to be additional conversation about russia's activities that could have him in some way undermined the process of our election. again, hacks into the dnc and the d triple c. not the actual vote count as far as the administration tells us. so wanting to look past that but at the same time, with the responsibilities he'll bear going into the office saying he'll meet with intelligence community officials to learn the latest on this situation. that is notable because we have
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seen that the president-elect is not taking the presidential daily briefing as given to him by the president, that authority for him to take it. he's not doing it on an every day basis so the fact he's acknowledging he'll meet with them to get the latest information is noteworthy. >> kelly o., i understand that president-elect trump's senior advisor kellyanne conway has also weighed on this to a degree. what's she say? >> reporter: it gives you a sense of how they try to position this as something they inherit but not particularly happy about it and kellyanne conway, who of course, served as campaign manager and now a senior counselor to the president once they take office is saying that even supporters of the president might view the strategy of president obama taking this action late in his administration. here's how she summed it up. >> even those who are sympathetic to president obama on most issues are saying that part of the reason he did this
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was to, quote, box in president-elect trump. that would be very unfortunate if politics were the motivating factor here. >> reporter: so the suggestion that maybe there are politics involved. that sort of leaves that hanging in the air, critical of the obama administration and yet, not making a direct allegation that this is being done to in some way undercut or undermine the new trump administration. nothing in the open that says that, but you see the strategy from team trump is to at least dangle that out there as president obama is taking these steps to deal with the issue and they are steps that in fact, donald trump will have to somehow address in his own way as he becomes president. craig? >> kelly o. from west palm beach, thanks as always. i want to get more reaction now from russia. joining me from moscow, "washington post" moscow bureau chief david philpov.
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the calculation here is simple as thinking that the trump administration is going to be far friendlier to his regime than president obama's? >> reporter: yeah. it's essentially that we'll get the trump administration a chance to prove itself more friendly to moscow and also, at the same time, it makes for the russian people, anyway, it makes the obama administration look like they're, you know, making some sort of crazy moves on the way out that president putin is able to rise above and show he's bigger, better than this obama team. >> in terms of how all of this is playing on the ground there in russia, what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: well, there's a lot of consternation on the part of russians. why is obama doing this? why are they so hysterical? the russians, state media and establishment, made a lot of sharp comments about the sanctions, originally, they
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expected it would be counter measures and then said, come to my holiday party, i'm not going to throw anybody out. the obama administration is trying to cause trouble, a last sort of gesture of disrespect to russia on its way out, hopefully the trump administration will be somebody we can work with better. our guys are obviously making a bet worwith the trump administration. that's the way it's playing out here and looks to people here. >> is the assumption there for the most part when donald trump takes office come january 20th that he will essentially just roll back most, if not all of these sanctions, congress be damned? >> reporter: your point of view on that if you're russian depends on how sophisticated you are and how much you think about this. there's obviously this sort of popular idea that trump is going to come and everything's getting
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better. in the kremlin and upper echelons of power. they realize that trump is a pragmatist. he's a businessman. he's going to be pushing his interests. we hear positive signals but that doesn't mean we think he's going to come in and give us the keys to the fortress. we're going to have to negotiate with him and that's why they temper things and they get better. all they know is they can't get any worse. >> david, thank you, sir. >> thanks for having me. >> i want to bring in kentucky democrat, john yarmuth now. good to see you, sir. president-elect trump responding to the sanctions in a statement that reads in part, it's time for our country to move forward to bigger and better things but nonetheless, in the interest of great people, i will meet with leaders of the intelligence community next week in order to be updated on the facts of this situation. we already know that the president-elect has been very skeptical about this idea that russia interfered in the election despite 16 or 17
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federal agencies all agreeing and saying tha it did. any reason to think that after this meeting with intelligence officials next week he's going to change his mind? >> certainly hope so, craig. i think the disturbing thing about this is that the trump team still seems to view this entire episode as a political issue. it's not a political issue. this is a national security issue. and the comments that he made about that and it sounded like reluctantly take this briefing should alarm everybody and kellyanne conway, the same way. it's like the trump team is totally politically oriented right now and look at steve bannon and reince priebus, the people he has around him are not experts in any particular field except political spinning. so they need to change their perspective very quickly, i think, or else we're going to be in trouble, but again, he needs to think of this as a national security issue, a national
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security threat and not as a political dynamic. >> trump senior advisor kellyanne conway questioned the timing, but did say she thought that the president's motivation here, president obama's motivation at least was in part to box in mr. trump, do you think that these sanctions in any way, shape or form box in the president-elect? >> they might and i said the same thing yesterday that trump ought to be grateful to president obama because he took the step that president trump would probably have a hard time taking. and it was a step that neededo be done. he took the heat. this could be kind of a bad cop/good cop situation where obama is lplaying the bad cop ad then can salvage the relationship. so i don't think we ought to worry too much about that kind of contention. >> one more here really quickly,
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because it sounds like you've got the same thing going on. but in terms of the perception on the hill, the upper chamber, we've heard from senators graham and mccain, several other senators as well. we know how the senate feels about russia. the lower chamber, are congressmen and congresswoman also as skeptical when it comes to this president-elect and his treatment of vladimir putin and russia? >> well, wei'm not sure they're skeptical. i think what the house members are particularly focused on is the whole question of cybersecurity and this national security threat and i think it's pretty much bipartisan. we've had lots of briefings on it. i know the intelligence committee, other committees are working on it and i think that's what congressional leadership ought to be focused on from now on is a congressional,
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widespread commitment to figuring out how to defend our country most effectively against cyberattacks. this is a national defense issue. that's our first obligation as members of congress, as federal officials. so i think that's what we ought to be focused on and i think there probably will be pretty good bipartisan support for doing that. >> john yarmuth from kentucky. happy new year to you. >> happy new year to you, craig. the clock ticking now on two russian compounds on u.s. soil. white house eviction notice expires less than two hours from now. we'll look at what those are, those two estates. plus an update on the nasty nor'easter. tens of thousands still without power this morning and it could be getting a lot worse. my business was built with passion... but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on
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the united states going after two suspected russian hackers part of the new sanctions with presidential election and cal perry has been tolli following that part of the story. >> lexie is the first one we talk about it. i love the aliases, by the way. m 4g. what is aggravated identity theft and computer intrusion? he hacked ecommerce and took the consumer information, put it on his own server and then sold it. that's why there's $100,000 reward for him.
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if evgeny, and wanted by the federal government. $3 million reward. again, information technology seems like he had more to do with the financial side of things and federal government saying there was racketeering but money laundering, wire fraud, bank fraud. >> that's a long list of things. so this is clrl thesere guys known to law enforcement in this country for some time. >> probably people that we were watching and sometimes you watch these folks and don't pull them off the street because they're providing you with information. >> so these are the guys, in terms of the locations, we know there's one in new york, one in maryland, let's start with the eastern shore. >> this is in the eastern shore. this is in the korsika river. the fascinating thing, it's been well known as a compound that the russian embassy and 12 apartments and families from the russian embassies would go there
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in the summer. it has a swimming pool, tennis courts and in 1992, the "associated press" interviewed locals who said it was obvious to them these were sort of russian diplomats, potential russian spies. >> this was in 1992? >> yes, the "associated press" did a story on this compound and some of the locals said, look, they don't cook their crabs the way we cook our crabs on the eastern shore. that's the giveaway. stab them with a screwdriver and then clean and boil the body. there you go. >> eastern shore. that sounds right. that would raise eyebrows. >> raise eyebrows. >> that's the eastern shore. in maryland, i know there's confusion over precisely where this spot is in long island. >> it's near glen cove for sure. there's been a few reports of multiple compounds out there. the point of this compound, a russian retreat, during the reagan administration, there was back and forth diplomatic spats
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during the cold war and one of the things that they did is remove the parking passes that the russian diplomats needed to go to the beach as kind of a measure of like a warning. >> that was it. >> the point of this is we've known the guys for a while, three decades. we known the compounds. none is really new information for u.s. intelligence. >> these compounds though, it sounds as if the russians were saying, these are recreational facilities. the government now saying, in addition to them being recreational facilities, they were also using these to spy. >> signal intelligence and look at the two locations, so the one on the eastern shore in maryland is nearby the naval academy by that. a good line of sight. this is a good line of sight to the submarine bases in connecticut. that's something they've been saying to nbc news. don't forget about these locations. >> cal perry, always good to have you, sir. unprented measures. new york city says security this new year's eve will be the most
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extensive effort. the steps here and across the globe as well to keep people safe.
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russian president vladimir putin rejecting calls to retaliate the united states for imposing the new sanctions against his country. in a statement, the kremlin said although we have the right to retaliate, we'll not resort to irresponsible kitchen diplomacy but will plan our further steps to restore russian u.s. relations based on the policies of the trump administration. continuing to downplay findings that russia interfered, he announced he'll be meeting with the intelligence community next
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week to be updated on the facts of the situation. a fragile cease-fire continues to hold in syria despite several reports of clashes between government and rebel forces just minutes after it went into effect brokered by russia and turkey, the six year war. although the u.s. is not involved in brokering the deal, the officials cautiously welcomed it and pursue a political solution. a small plane shortly after takeoff at lake erie, the columbus dispatch reporting that the plane was piloted by the chief executive of a columbus beverage company. his wife and two sons along with two neighbors were also on board. they were reportedly flying back to a hangar at ohio state university. some 140 miles way after watching cavaliers game in cleveland. so far, the coast guard said
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there are no signs of debris. and happening right now, at least one death is being blamed on a major winter storm that's pummelling the northeast. the victim was a driver whose car skid off a snowy road into a tree. the storm has buried six states from pennsylvania on up to vermont and maine in as much as two feet of snow in some parts. tens of thousands are without power in maine right now. that nasty nor'easter also bringing an icy mix and dangerous winds as well. people in maine, new hampshire, and vermont all being told by officials to stay off those treacherous roads. meanwhile, police here in new york city as well as cities around the world and they've all ramped up security for new year's eve celebration, the stepped up efforts are in response to terror attacks in berlin. and in nice this past summer.
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nbc's stephanie gosk is live where millions usher in the new year and watch the ball drop. how was the nypd increasing security this year, steph? >> reporter: well, you mentioned berlin and nice and if you look behind me right now, you'll see that the security barricades going in, craig, but they'll take very important steps over the next 24 hours in response to those vehicle attacks in berlin and nice, learning lessons from those attacks. deadly attacks. and that includes blockading these streets off, not just with barricades and with police officers, but with vehicles and sand trucks. these enormous trucks that we've now seen in place here in the city regularly from the pope's visit to the thanksgiving day parade and now there will be 65 of them here and around times square to block off the streets on top of another hundred or so vehicles. so you can see just how serious
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they are about that particular threat. of course, they have a number of other things they are concerned about as well. if you look right behind me, you'll see this is a trash can. it says it's closed for events and there's a trash can right next to it that made it plastic. that's in response to fears of bombs in trash cans. the nypd as well as law enforcement agencies around the world have to consider all types of different threats but after a year like this with the kinds of attacks that we've seen, everyone is on high alert. >> stephanie, it's not just new york city as we understand it that's on alert. what else is going on in countries in some of the other cities worldwide? >> reporter: a lot of cities taking cues from some of these threats and attacks we've seen, particularly in places like boston, chicago, concerns about those vehicle attacks means they're bringing in things like concrete barricades and fences to protect their celebrations.
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police chiefs in boston said this is sad but this is the reality of the world we live in. and out in pasadena, they're take new measures they've never taken before. of course, that's where the rose bowl and the rose break will be held over the weekend. >> stephanie gosk from times square, these are the obvious visual measures we know about. there are lots of unseen measures that law enforcement, of course, taken in cities all over the country in the world. thank you, happy new year to you. we are getting some fresh reaction from american officials after that surprise move from vladimir putin not to retaliate against u.s. sanctions. we'll have more on that right after this.
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this morning. russia will not be ousting any american diplomats for those new u.s. sanctions that were announced thursday. but reserves the right to retaliate perhaps at a later date. ron allen, what are you hearing from u.s. officials regarding the surprise? >> reporter: well, we're hearing more surprise from the u.s. side, a bit of surprise that the russians didn't retaliate by expelling diplomats, american
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diplomats in exchange for the 35 that were expelled from the united states. that would have been perhaps the obvious thing to do, to have a response back and forth but vladimir putin is taking the high road, if you will. playing mr. nice guy which probably in russia plays very well. he's essentially saying that the united states did these awful things but we're not going to retaliate, we're going to wish them a happy new year and wait for the incoming trump administration which has been much more friendly to vladimir putin. so that's what's happening there. here, i'm sure they are expecting and braced for and prepared for any kind of response that the russians might strike with. be it cyber and covert or be it out in the open like expelling of di lo mploms and that was al threatened. i think the most interesting part of this is the part that we're not seeing.
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remember, president obama said yesterday in a statement that the sanctions were not the sum total of what the united states will do, has done or may do in the future. and russia has that capability as well. these are things we might find out about only in the aftermath, after something has been done in cyber space but i would think now both sides are on warning. but clearly, the russian strategy seems to be let things stand where they are at least publicly, take the high road. and down played this. but of course, there's a lot of pressure from congress, both sides of the aisle for tougher steps against the russians. >> ron allen from the white house on this friday morning, ron, thank you, sir. i want to bring in democratic strategist richard goodstein.
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and let me start with you. president putin's decision to not retaliate. how surprised are you? >> i would find it odd he's taking the high road. it was he and his country that purposely undermined to the extent that they could the u.s. presidential election and tried to tip the scales to donald trump. so the notion that somehow he's deciding not to expel u.s. diplomats, maybe it's admission of guilt but the suggestion it's the high road, somehow he's the good guy out of this? i find a bit twisted to be perfectly honest, as equally twisted is donald trump's response, nothing suggests seriousness about an issue when you, other than appearing with don king, right? but trump seems to be in either denial or this notion that was 400 pound guy sitting in his bed maybe responsible and now it's sort of saying, well, computers aren't reliable.
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there's something very odd going on here, and i go back to what john podesta said on "meet the press." what did the trump campaign know and when did they know it about all this stealing? hacking is a nice term, it's stealing of u.s. documents. >> you're not one of the folks that believes that russia isn't involved. you aren't one of those folks. >> no, you're good on that. but what i will say, there are two ways donald trump can play this and one, the republicans really criticized obama because they thought he was weak on foreign policy. but look at what obama has done. he's pushed with a strong fist and america is back in play, you're not going to hack us. here's what i'm going to do. now, if donald trump when he takes office, if he takes the sanctions away, then that makes it look like he's starting off making america weaker with our foreign policy. there's another way that donald trump can also play this. and this is by bargaining.
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maybe he says, i'll remove some of the sanctions if you remove your military presence in something like maybe the ukraine. >> and we know mr. trump is certainlytransactional. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell don't think the sanctions go far enough. he said this a statement in part, the obama administration for eight years attempted to reset relations with russia and sat passively while russia expanded its sphere of influence. sanctions against the russian intelligence services are a good initial step. however, late incoming and almost sounds as if senator mcconnell would like even more done. what response will he have after he assumes office? will it have the kind of political capital to roll back any or all of these sanctions if he wanted to? >> i think you could forecast a few things, craig. probably there's going to be a
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proposed resolution, if not proposed by republicans or democrats to keep the sanctio in place or make them harder and we'll see how republicans in congress line up, especially if donald trump says, no, no, no. that's not something he wants to do and what do you think the response would have been from republican leaders had president obama imposed these sanctions back in october when it became public that the russians were behind this hacking? you think they would have been even handed saying a little late but better late than never? trying to tip the scales. how dare you? i think president obama is trying to do what he can and the notion of somehow boxing donald trump in, he's talking about repealing all of these obama executive orders on day one. he can repeal this one if he's such a tough guy, we'll see. >> noelle, it seems like the situation with president obama would have been damned if you do, damned if you don't. richard raises a good point there. had he done something back in
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late october, he would have been seen as rigging the election and waits until now and you've got a bunch of congressional leaders saying, too little, too late or just too late. >> i think the one person upset he didn't do it sooner is hillary clinton. i mean, he could have really made it possibly benefitted from that. we'll never though. but i think that that is the one complaint a lot of republicans are wondering, why didn't you do this a while back? but needless to say, it's done. it's done now and removing the sanctions, that's going to be the burden of donald trump and i really do not think that donald trump, the first thing he's going to do is remove sanctions unless he uses it as a b bargaing tool. >> thank you. happy new year to both of you. the covert measures that the
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united states could be taking. this covert stuff, what you need to know about protecting yourself from foreign hackers. that's next.
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the first chief technology officer under president obama and thanks for coming back and joining me. i know you've read over this report. there are some familiar hacking terms in the report like phishing, malware. what caught your eye? how sophisticated was this particular hacking operation? >> well, let's start with maybe the troublesome part of the repo report, the least sophisticated methods of attacking were deployed to take these systems down. essentially, the notion that, in this case, the russian intelligence service identified maybe a thousand people targeted them and tried to send them personalized messages to convince them to click on bad link that would allow them to install the malware which allowed them eventually to pull and exfiltrate the sensitive documents later used during the campaign season, and what that
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means basically is that it takes very little effort to get us to potentially do something that puts our own digital assets in a vulnerable position. it didn't require a sophisticated arsenal. it was just a more thoughtful targeted approach and that's what you hear as spear ishing. went after the people and hope a couple click the bad link and unfortunately, a few did. >> they got us with a phishing scheme? >> yeah, and essentially, a lot of cybersecurity today unfortunately this is social engineering variety. you'll hear expressions and terms that might for the average listener be confusing and sophisticated and technical but what this basically means is someone convinced you to do something you shouldn't have and revealed information about your passwords and then allowedhe attackers to gain access to the systems that you otherwise would have privileged access to and once in, installed a little bit more sophisticated tools to move
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up and within the networks to get more senior level access and eventually to pull out the information that they wanted which resulted in some of the information leaks we saw through the campaign. >> how do we know? bau because again, as you're aware, there's still a fair aunt of skeptici on the part of the president-elect but how do we know for sure the russian government was behind these hacks. are there digital breadbreadcru perhaps? >> this report covers one of the two things, first, how. how did this work and was there a common set of tools used to be linked back to an actor? what we do see in the transparency of this report is clarity around the tools that were used that were consistent across these attacks and then an assertion from the intelligence community linking these particular tools to the russian
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intelligence service. my presumption is that president obama's team will release more detail before the end of his term as he suggested we would but what we want is the bipartisan investigation so that we have both sides of the aisle looking into the evidence and diving into the second piece linking these particular tools and those who deploy these tools to the russian government more formally. i think intention of this was to understand the how and the linkage perhaps as a discussion we'll get to moving bard. >> i think officials named these potential hackers, we talked about two of them a short time ago. these are guys wanted by the fbi, known to larw enforcement n this country for some time. were they major players or big players? >> i don't have the intelligence to know exactly what level of sophistication they were. as you noted, the named individuals that were the individuals sanctioned under the
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executive order included leade inhe russian intelligence services which is really a broader statement about their involvement but the individuals themselves in addition to the russian intelligence service were added in as having a particular effect in terms of their role in ecommerce and some related challenges but it's hard to know exactly how important they were on the global stage. look, cybersecurity is bigger than just our elections. i would say the bulk of cyber attacks today are about intellectual property and competitiveness. you might see a heck of a lot more commercial impact less to do with what you would traditionally think of as a military operation. so foreign countries stealing intellectual property to make it harder for our u.s. firms to be successful and global markets, that's the bigger threat many are anxious about and the actors that were named maybe more involved in some of the commercial activities which have put the american economy at
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risk. >> aneesh, the u.s. says we could respond with our own covert cyber-retaliation. i suppose there's a chance we might have already done that, but if we haven't and we still do launch this covert cyber-attack, what might that look like? >> in 2015, the defense department did engage in sort of a strategic review about its role in cyber-strategy at large and made the comment that cyber options generally, defense capabilities are part and parcel of our operational strategy moving forward. my instinct is it might have to do with our ability to look at or engage some of the military operations so that they know on their end that we have capacity. but there is very, it's hard to speculate beyond what might be done country to country and i think the bigger opportunity is to make sure we've got the
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broader deterrence discussion on the table so we can really capture the broader area where these are of concern. >> aneesh chopra, thank you, sir. always enjoy your perspective. happy new year the year to you. >> thanks for having me. new york city is about to party like it's 1899. i'll take you inside the transportation triumph a century in the making. will your business be ready when growth presents itself? american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open.com.
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big news for new york and its 60 million annual visitors. a project so long in the making, its first delay was because of the great depression. the second avenue subway opens to riders this sunday a noon and i got an exclusive look from the man who helped make it happen, new york governor andrew cuomo. it's the ride nearly a century in the making. workers putting the finishing touches on the second avenue subway. someone told me the governor was hands on with the project. >> absolutely. >> it's the largest expansion of the subway system in 50 years spanning more than 50 blocks and costing roughly $4.5 billion, it's designed to look and feel unique. >> it's very open, it should give you the sense of says. you're not claustrophobic. >> lots of art. why? >> even if a child never walks
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into a museum, the daily experiences, living in the state, they should be exposed to art that gives them that aspect, that perspective and that creativi creativity. >> beyond the fine art is function, noise reducing ceiling panels, column free platforms and low vibration tracks for a totally different transit experience. i joined the governor for the inaugural ride. >> you feel how quiet this is? that makes a difference for the riders. it also makes a difference for the people who live in the buildings above. >> there's a lot of talk about infrastructure. what can other cities learn from what you guys have managed the put off in new york city? >> first, it's not about one project. this is one project, but this is really a component of a larger system. we're doing trains, subways, new stations and new airports at
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laguardia airport. you want to redesign an entire system. >> the completion of this project has been a long time coming, first proposed in 1920 and delayed in the '30s, '40s, and '50s, skepticism high after restarting in 2007. >> i said, we're going to make the deadline just to show you that we can make the deadline and we're going to do it right. >> this was also about showing people that government can do big things. >> government can do big things. if you don't believe it can, then we defeat ourselves. >> this is fascinating. these are the bones of the subway system. >> this is what takes the time, all the crossover tracking. all the signals. >> the new line has another message, not just for the city but the nation. >> e pluribus unum out of many, one. we are no one race, or one religion. but new york is the laboratory
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for the american experiment and democracy. >> i also asked governor cuomo if he plans on riding the second avenue subway all the way to the white house. here was his response. this kind of project and that kind of speech there, those are the kinds of things you typically see in presidential campaign ads. >> good thing we're in the subway station. >> no 2020? >> i'll see you tomorrow and back here this afternoon at 3:00 on msnbc. steve kornacki picking up things right now. >> thank you for that. some breaking news. obviously, we have been following this all morning on msnbc. the response from russia, vladimir putin ruling out retaliation against u.s. sanctions. this as the feds are just an hour away from closing two russian compounds here on american soil. major cities around the world
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are on high alert as we get ready to ring in 2017. trying to keep the public safe and winter's fury. millions of people feeling the effects as a nor'easter dumps more than 2 feet of snow in some places. it's not over yet. it could definitely impact your holiday travel plans. we will tell you about it. good morning, everybody. i'm steve kornacki in for tamron hall coming to you live from our msnbc headquarters here in new york city. we are following breaking news. russian president vladimir putin making a dramatic and a surprising announcement just a few hours ago on the kremlin's web site. he says he will not expel any u.s. diplomats or close any u.s. facilities in retaliation for those new sanctions imposed by president obama and those include expelling 35 suspected russian spies and families from the united states. they have been given until this sunday to get out of this

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