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new york city for meetings today after spending the holidays at his mar-a-lago club, as he's still casting doubt on russia intervening with the election. >> i know a lot about hacking and hacking is a very hard thing to prove. it could be somebody else. i also know things that other people don't know. and so they cannot be sure of the situation. >> we're following the latest on a very busy travel day for millions of americans. unfortunately, we have storms in the south, snow in the north. that's already delayed hundreds of flights. we'll update you on all the travel conditions a little later in the show. but we begin this afternoon with the trump transition. let's get right to kristen welker following the latest from trump tower today. i want to ask about the russian hacking, but before we get to that, we just had some new tweets in the last couple of hours, the last hour, about the election. what are we hearing from donald trump today about the election?
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>> reporter: hey, kate, happy new year. let me read you the tweet that is making headlines at this hour. the president-elect tweeting various media outlets and pundits say i thought i was going to lose the election. wrong. it all came together in the last week. and i thought -- and i felt i would win big easily over the fabled 270, and then in parenthesis, 306, the number of electoral votes he got. when they canceled the fireworks, they knew, and so did i. and, of course, that last part, a reference to the fact that the fireworks were canceled that were planned to go off for secretary hillary clinton if she were to win. this is interesting, kate, because it sort of runs counter to something that the president-elect said during his thank-you tour on december 13th in wisconsin about what he thought his chances were in those final days. take a listen. >> so, i got -- i got the bad news from my daughter, and i said, that's too bad. i go and see my wife.
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i said, baby, i'll tell you what, we're not going to win tonight because the polls have come out and, you know, i always used to believe in those exit polls. i don't believe in them anymore. >> reporter: again today the president-elect thumping his chest about his big electoral victory. while he is huddled here in trump tower. we expect he will hold some meetings today. typically on these quieter days, we do get a few tweets. today certainly no different as he is just 18 days out from his inauguration. >> let me ask you about that clip that we heard at the beginning of the show from donald trump talking about hacking, saying it's very hard to prove. he also said on saturday night on new year's eve that this is all going to -- that he knows more than everyone else and he'll make it clear on tuesday or wednesday what he knows. do we know yet what that is? >> reporter: we don't, kate. really a cryptic message from the president-elect. his top officials pressed on specifically what he was talking
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about. his incoming press secretary, sean spicer, pressed on that earlier today. on the "today" show and really all he would say, all the president-elect will say, is that he's going to reveal more information on tuesday or wednesday after he has an intelligence briefing. this is really striking because he continues to question the veracity of the intelligence assessments, which have found that russia is behind hacking some top democrats and e-mails during the 2016 race. and it's setting up potentially a battle with congress, including members of his own party. republican senators, john mccain and lindsey graham saying they believe intelligence officials and saying they are poised to slam stiffer sanctions on russia if mr. trump moves to reverse some sanctions that president obama has imposed in recent days, kate. >> kristen welker, a little rain here in new york. happy new year to you. thanks so much. let's turn to that deadly attack on a nightclub in istanbul that left at least 39 people dead just after they rang in the new year. as we mentioned, police in
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turkey releasing these new images of the suspected gunman as a massive search for the suspect continues. for more, let's turn to kelly cobiella, following the latest from istanbul tonight. what can you tell us at this hour about this manhunt? >> reporter: well, kate, the deputy prime minister at least is indicating that things are moving along rapidly now. he said to reporters just a couple of hours ago that they had fingerprints and a very good description of the man they believe carried out this attack on the nightclub on new year's eve. they also have these two pictures you mentioned. istanbul police have been releasing these two turkish media. we're showing them again to you. some very blurry pictures. pictures taken from security camera footage, screen grabs, essentially, of the man turkish police say is responsible for this. the deputy prime minister saying they're moving along very quickly and they're trying very hard to identify him now.
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but so far, no names put to that face. we still don't know who this man is, who they're looking for. at the same time, the interior minister indicated that security operations would be under way. now we know aga fro the deputy prime minister that eight people have been brought into custody for questioning in connection to this attack. he wouldn't elaborate on that. wouldn't say what kind of connection they are suspected of having, whether or not this was some sort of cell operating together or if these are known associates of this particular man they're looking for. he simply wouldn't say. it should be noted, kate, there is a media blackout in this country. a lot of the information that's coming forward is coming forward in sort of ad hoc press conferences, a couple of official press conferences, but not much information coming through. we have heard anecdotal reports of security operation,
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helicopters overhead, search lights and of police activity, but none of that is being broadcast on any of the news organizations in this country. istanbul police have told us this attack lasted more than seven minutes. more than 100 bullets were fired. we also know from the prime minister that the suspect's gun was left behind. he somehow escaped in the chaos into the city and it's not clear at this point whether he's still in istanbul, maybe has escaped to the countryside or even possibly across the border. we don't know his affiliations yet, even though isis has claimed credit for this attack. there's no proof that he had any direct link to isis. if, in fact, there was some link, the border with syria is more than 500 miles long. you can't secure every square inch, kate. so, there is the possibility anyway that someone could escape across the border.
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>> kelly cobiella in istanbul, continuing to follow that. i want to bring in nia bloom, professor of communication at georgia state university. the author of the book "dying to kill: the allure of suicide terror." it's nice to see you again. happy new year to you. wish it were for a better reason that we were talking. this attack, along with the recent attack in berlin right before christmas, not a suicide attack. i wanted to start there since you wrote the book about suicide attacks. do you think we're seeing -- witnessing a change in tactic where these gunmen are holding an attack and fleeing and there are these massive manhunts? >> well, suicide attacks by organizations are very often part of a tool kit in which they've got lots of different kinds of tactics. we saw, for example, a few years ago in india where they go in, guns blazing. so the suicide attack is at the end. so, it could be that this is intended for the gunman to
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continue a rampage or that there are secondary targets. so, there's no requirements that an organization just use suicide terrorism and nothing else. they always combine it with lots of different tactics. isis has been using in its suicide attacks combinations of shooting and then the next team comes in and they've got the bombs. it's a combination tactic. >> although this man that we're getting video images of this afternoon is on the run. i mean, he didn't -- apparently didn't try to take his own life. he ran. >> right. we saw this again also in france during the attack on the stadium. many of the attackers also fled the scene. this isn't new. this is a tactic used in combination. >> isis claimed -- >> there have been 24 -- sorry. there have been 24 bombings in turkey just this year alone with 385 people that have been killed. and so it is likely that there are more bombings that are planned. >> right. isis claimed responsibility for
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the attack,s kelly mentioned. do you think that's credible? do you think it's too soon to know whether he had that affiliation? >> it was very surprising because isis has not claimed most of the attacks in turkey. for example, the attack against the airport a few months ago. so, i was surprisinged at the speed at which they're claiming this attack. in fact, you know, they misrepresented the attack in the claim. they claim they killed 150 christians when, in fact, we know they claimed 39 people. when we talk about the vast majority of people killed being foreigners, those people also tended to include moroccans, jourdainance, and they are claiming they killed many, many muslims. >> just a big picture question for you before we end, as we head into the new year, as we head into a new administration, how strong do you think isis is? >> there is an inverse
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correlation how weak isis is on the ground and how desirable it is for them to project power abroad by having these attacks in europe, in turkey. for the last few weeks prior to the attack, they were putting on all of their networks lots of pictures of kids who died as a result of aerial bombardments they claimed were turkey bombings. now they started doing the same thing with russia. so, my guess is they are trying to attack as many people that are operating in a coalition against them, and we will see more bombings and more attacks. even though on the ground they're losing their ground, they're losing control of territory. we might be able to get rid of isis, but the inspiration of isis is what will stay and be dangerous. >> professor and author mia bloom, nice to have your perspective today. thanks so much. >> thanks for having me, kate. like it is for so many of us, it is back to work in our nation's capital tomorrow. congress returning from the holiday break with a lot on the
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congress back in session tomorrow, and even though president obama still has three weeks left in office, republicans are likely to start working on their agenda right
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away. joining me, dave weigel, correspondent for "the washington post." your piece in "the post" today shows what we can expect from a republican congress. the key line republicans are proposing, you say, the most amtious conservative policy agenda since the 1920s. what's on the table? >> well, undoing everything since 1920, not all of it, not social security, but basically the theory of the modern welfare state, the theory that agencies grow and regulate and that is how government should work, that's all being challenged. the plans have been there in a very public way for six years. for example, there is going to be an effort to -- through reconciliation, passed on its own, an effort to make it so no gulation can be implemented by an agency if it costs more than $100 million in the economy. that's the vast majority of regulations. that means congress is going to
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have a whip hand over the -- the way -- not just the way government works but in talking about the affordable care act, that's the way it's been adapted and implemented because congress wasn't in the mood to change it. so, a major change just to the interplay between congress and executive branches is one of the first things they've got ready to go. >> you just touched on this. this isn't necessarily all about donald trump. it's really about the republican agenda and republicans in congress who have been waiting for this moment. >> well, it's -- actually, yeah. it has very little to do with donald trump that works out better in the way he expected, better than 8:00 p.m. on election night. the theory of paul ryan 2012 is this agenda might commend national majority. paul ryan tested that. vice presidential candida didn't happen. instead the party found they were able to win a national election with a very different message than what, say, paul ryan believes, including donald trump saying we don't need to touch medicare. donald trump saying we need to
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renegotiate trade deals. we don't need to defund planned parenthood, things like that. voters went to vote for him and down ballot voted for republicans. they lost two senate seats, six house seats. there was a trump/clinton election that was litigated with very different issues. that's one thing i think they're working through but pretty confidently how they get voters who voted for trump to go along with what they pass. >> sean spicer was on "morning joe" this morning and mark halperin asked him about taxes and the deal donald trump proposed during the campaign. >> during the campaign, donald trump proposed a form of tax reform. does he want congress to pass the plan he proposed during the campaign or are there negotiations going on now that might change that plan? >> well, of course he wants the plan he proposed but he understands he needs to sit down with congress, figure out some additional priorities and maybe some ideas, enhance the plan. he is committed to comprehensive tax reform and working with the house and senate leadership to
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enact that. >> dave, what's the reality there? how quickly do you think congress works with the trump presidency to get some real meaningful tax reform through? >> the first point i make about that, there's not a great public demand about tax reform. it was barely mentioned in the campaign. as republicans infamiliar mousley pointed out for years, half americans don't pay net taxes. they pay sales tax and lots of things. the republicans weren't exactly pining for a tax cut. >> well, some corporate taxes were pining for. >> well, they didn't vote. they just paid for the campaign ads. what you're hearing them talk about there are two different visions of one simplifying the code, two, ending the affordable care act, which transfers a bit more of the tax burden to people making less money. those are the big ideas. then the corporate tax cuts, which have always been packaged on the promise that if you get those rates competitive to even ireland or something, you'll
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have all this wealth run back to the country. they're going to have to sell that. i don't want to be repetitive, but the thing is, this was very, very underplayed in the campaign. i think part of that, democrats are now admitting, the fault of the hillary clinton campaign for thinking the election could be won on donald trump's mistakes. part of that was trump's ability to hand wave away the hard questions about how these policies would be implemented. frankly, his voter -- i covered lots of trump rallies, a lot of us did. it never really came up. the most burdensome thing they saw in their lives was the tax situation. that's not a one to one promise the way the 2009 stimulus package was, right? i think there's going to -- trump did more to say, we're going to bring jobs back and pay for jobs than to say, and we're going to reform taxes and that will trickle down. so, the difference between republicans are ready to sell and what donald trump already sold is pretty vast. >> david weigel, thanks for being with us. appreciate your time. happy new year. >> happy new year to you. thank you. if you have the day off work
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big travel day today. besides ice and snow, threats of tornadoes are slowing down millions of people at the end of this long holiday weekend. janet sh janet joins us from dallas with the weather problems out there. >> reporter: hi, kate. we had weather here early this morning in houston. what we saw were lightning strikes, severe storms. those forced a ground stop in both cities. these are major hubs for american and united airlines in
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dallas and houston. while those ground stops were lifted a short time later, that set the tone for the day and the ripples impacted the rest of the country. not a happy new year for many travelers trying to get home after the holidays. wintry weather making the first days of 2017 tough going in some places. in seattle for the first time in nearly half a century, a blanket of white covering the city on new year's eve. a cool way to ring in the new year for some, but slippery surfaces creating hazardous driving conditions, and slowing operations to a crawl at sea-tac airport. that same storm moving east this morning with the possibility of near blizzard conditions in the northern plains. in the upper midwest, they're expecting freezing temperatures and a wintry mess of snow and ice. and the south is in for a soaking. up to 5 inches of rain possible in some places. in minnesota, terrifying moments for these drivers. one car stranded on the side of
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the road. a second skidding out of control. forcing those in the first car to run for their lives. a reminder from state troopers on the dangers of winter driving. >> and for people who did not travel early this morning or this afternoon, there is more trouble ahead tonight, kate, because this system is moving along the gulf coast, impacting places like louisiana, mississippi, alabama. let's take a look at the current misery map, as it's called, for air travelers, where we saw houston and dallas, the worst places this morning. now it's kind of shifted to the east. if you're going through atlanta, that could be troublesome over the next few hours. that is to say nothing, kate, of people driving home this evening. add to the mix, these flights are 100% full with holiday travelers. and people starting business travel again. once something is canceled or if you miss a connection, it's going to be hard to reschedule. kate, back to you. >> not painting a rosy picture for us this afternoon, janet, but it's reality. janedown in texas, thanks so much.
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two days into the new year and the war of words continues between singer mariah carey and the producers of the annual new year's rocking eve show from times square. >> everyone seems to agree mariah carey's performance didn't go as planned but there's dispute this morning over why. they say it was faulty equipment while the sound producer says the only issue she had were nontechnical. 2017 already has its first controversy. ♪ after what's being called a disastrous new year's eve performance that instantly went viral, now a back and forth over just what caused the mariah carey mishap. >> all right. >> reporter: the main dispute, whether or not her ear pieces and monitors were working. >> we can't hear, but i'll just step throughout motions. >> reporter: a rep for the singer says they weren't. she's taking out ear piece as
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emotions started playing. others say monitors were off. >> get these monitors on, please. >> reporter: they say the show's producers knew she was having audio problems but sent her on stage as planned rather than cutting to commercial to try to fix the problem. >> i'm trying to be a good sport here. >> reporter: dick clark productions released a statement saying, in part, an initial investigation has indicated dcp had no involvement in the challenges associated with miss mariah carey's performance. and calling it defamatory, outrageous and frankly, absurd. earlier in the show before her performance, carey said she had trouble hearing host ryan seacrest. it's just the latest lip synch snafu. remember when beyonce admitted to lip synching at the inauguration. or when ashlee simpson was caught on "saturday night live" back in 2004.
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>> that was amazing. >> reporter: as for this incident, abc would not comment but just about everyone else did. one viewer tweeting, mariah carey gave 2016 the ending it deserved, tbh, to be honest. she took it in stride tweeting with an expletive that stuff happens. there was also speculation that the version of emotions was just the backing track version, not the full vocal version that played for "we belong together" so that could have also thrown her off. back to you. >> okay, thanks so much. it was amazing. coming up, president obama set to deliver his farewell address next week. his speech's main source of inspiration, 200 years in the making, from a name you definitely know. just like the pe who n them, every business is different. but every one of those businesses will need legal help as they age and grow. whether it be help starting your business, vendor contracts or employment agreements.
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hello again. happy monday. happy new year. i'm kate snow. take a look at top stories this hour. in turkey, authorities say the gunman in the deadly nightclub shooting is still on the loose but close to identifying him. 39 people were killed. dozens more were injured. isis has claimed responsibility for that. president-elect trump back in new york city after spending the holidays at his mar-a-lago resort in florida. he's working with vice president pence to fill his last cabinet positions. the sentencing phase is scheduled to begin tomorrow for dylann roof, the 22-year-old convicted last month in the deadly south carolina church shooting back in june of 2015.
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the judge overseeing the case ruled today's competency hearing -- in today's competency hearing to determinehether roof can continue as his own attorney. he ruled that will be closed to the public. the judge will allow him to interact with witnesses during the sentencing phase. president obama and the first family arrived back at the white house today after their vacation in hawaii. the president also announcing he'll be giving a farewell address in his home city of chicago next tuesday. ron allen is at the white house today. what do we know so far about that speech? >> reporter: it's going to be a big occasion for the president, at the mccormick center in chicago before a hometown crowd of thousands, no doubt. it will be a celebration. in an e-mail to supporters, the president described it as a chance to say thank you for this amazing journey and to celebrate the way you've changed this country the past eight years. the reality, of course, between now and then, a lot is going to
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happen. congress is going to convene tomorrow, republican congress. president-elect, as you just pointed out, has just about assembled his cabinet. confirmation hearings will be starting. by next week, a whole lot of things will be happening here in washington already, primarily, largely aimed at undoing what he has done for the past eight years. it will be interesting to see how he comments on that a week from now. basically, it's a farewell address, a tradition that dates back to george washington. a moment, perhaps the last moment for president obama to talk directly to the american people to tell his side of the story, to thank supporters and to say where he thinks the country should go. of course, all this brings to mind that old adage that elections have consequences and the consequences are pretty dire. >> we understand on wednesday he's headed to capitol hill to meet with house and senate leaders, to talk with some of them about trying to stop republican efforts to repeal obamacare. what more do we know about that?
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>> reporter: exactly. this is arguably the president's most significant domestic accomplishment and something he cares deeply about. especially the aspect of bringing health care, allowing some 20 million people to get health care who never could, working class people, poor people. he's trying to salvage what he can working with democrats. this is going to be a long process. the republicans have made this their number one priority, to repeal and replace it. the repeal is probably going to happen very soon. the replace, that remains to be seen exactly how that will happen. the president is trying to line up strategy with democrats, who on the hill, leaders on the hill, to try and see what can be salvaged of this -- of obamacare. not just the people who have health care but aspects of the law that provide health care for people who have preexisting conditions, for young people who are on their parents' policies. we've heard all this before. this is a very complicated law, however. it remains to be seen, exactly what the democrats will be able to do to salvage aspects of it, to keep it going. but the bottom line, of course,
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this has been the target for republicans for the past seven, eight years or longer, health care reform, what's it going to look like. now republicans are in the driver's seat. it's their number one priority and the president is trying to fight to the finish to do what he can to keep what he can of this law on the books. >> ron allen at the white house today. thanks so much. happy new year to you. ron just talked about president obama's speech in chicago, that farewell address. in a post on medium, the president began by citing george washington, saying is that he set the precedent for a peaceful democratic transfer of power. joining me now is alan liktman, distinguished professor of history at american university. doctor, nice to see you. president obama talked about that very first farewell address by george washington all those years ago. what's the historical significance of that speech? >> it not only has great historical significance. george washington also speaks urgently to us across the
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centuries. george washington focused on some critically important things that resonate today. first, he warned against the spirit of faction and discord and warned how that could rip apart a democratic country. secondly, he warned against foreign meddling in the affairs of the united states and indicated how that could be a real threat to american democracy and american sovereignty. people should listen to what washington had to say all those many years ago. >> probably doesn't surprise you that president obama would be invoking that or maybe even be inspired by it. >> absolutely. look, there was only one father of our country. washington was really the only figure, even of his time, who stood above the partisan fray. and always had his mind on what was for the good of the country. a very, very rare trait in any politician. we certainly haven't seen much
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of that in our own time. >> as president obama gets ready to leave the white house, does he have 18 days left there, how do you read his legacy? what do you think we'll be talking about, historians will be talking about decades from now? >> i think his legacy is absolutely split down the middle. on the one hand, one can say all kinds of positive things. he might have saved us from a great depression and a financial collapse. saved the automobile industry, put forward regulations designed to prevent another meltdown. of course, passed the affordable care act, something that's elude the presidents for decades. he might have asserted a nuclear arms race in the middle east. he's opened up cuba. on the other hand, he has forgotten what the great iconic democratic president franklin roosevelt always taught, and that is, you not only have to be an innovator of policy, have you to be a party-builder. that's where obama has fallen
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down. during the obama years, the republicans have played hard ball and obama and the democrats have played whiffle ball. obama came in, the democrats had the presidency, the house and the senate. what do they have today? nothing. the republicans control the presidency, the house and the senate. they'll have the supreme court. they have most governorships, most state legislatures. as lyndon johnson, who was, of course, a great politician, once said, you have to have the election certificate if you're going to be a statesman. and that's why the obama legacy is so divided and is going to be a subject of enormous controversy among by brotheren, the historians, for a long time to come. i hope they realize they have to play hard ball with the republicans or they're going to get rolled over over and over again. they can't follow the mantra, we're going to work with donald trump because nothing donald trump wants to do is in the
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interest of the democrats. >> you made a lot of headlines this year when you predicted donald trump would win this election. a recent headline in the washington post called you an internet sensation. that's what they call you, sir. tell us a little bit of how you predicted the win. >> i predicted the win by ignoring the pundits and the pollsters and ignoring the day-to-day events of the campaign. i kept my eye on the big picture as gauged by the keys to the white house, my historically based prediction system, that has been accurate since 1984, and is based on the proposition that elections are primarily referenda on the strength and performance of the party in power. based on that, i could see the many vulnerabilities, pasting in the midterm elections, pesky third-party candidates, a contentious nomination struggle, the lack of a follow-up in the second term to anything like the affordable care act or anything
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in foreign policy like the dispatch of osama bin laden in the first term. keep your eye on the big picture. and look not at campaigning but look at governance and you'll be well guided in understanding american politics. >> happy new year. thanks so much. >> happy new year to you. coming up, a whole new chapter in the quest for work/life balance. in france, the new right to disconnect law now in effect. imagine this, you walk out the door from work, no more work e-mails. i thought i was managing my moderate to severe crohn's disease. i didn't think there was anything else to talk about. but then i realized there was. so, i finally broke the silence with my doctor about what i was experiencing. he said humira is for people like me who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn's disease. in clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief. and many achieved remission. humira can lower your ability to fight infections,
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irresistibly planters. all i can tell you is we're going to do a good job, okay? taxes will come down, regulations are coming off, we're going to get rid of obamacare. >> that's some new video in today of donald trump on new year's eve, promising to scale back regulations and repeal obamacare when he takes over the presidency. as we've been reporting, president obama will travel to capitol hill on wednesday to meet with democrats to discuss how they can fight efforts to repeal obamacare on the other side. for more of what's ahead in 2017, i want to bring in susan del percio, and former governor howard dean, msnbc contributor and former dnc chairman. happy new year. >> happy new year to you.
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>> governor, let me start with you. donald trump is back in new york. he's tweeting how he knew he would win the election that day. there's lots of talk about democrats going through the stages of grief. i wonder if i can ask you what stage you're at with 18 days until inauguration? >> i've long been through that. i'm worried about the future of the country but we have to do what we have to do. i think one of the things that lichtman just said, we have to fight and play hard ball. i made that case to president obama eight years ago. you know, i fought these guys for four years when i was dnc chair. they don't mind playing hard ball. we haven't done it. and i think now we need to. >> susan, donald trump said saturday, this is getting a lot of attention, that he knows a lot about hacking. in fact, he said he knows more than other people do and he'll reveal more on tuesday or wednesday. it was all very cryptic. this morning on the "today" show, sean spicer was on, and he
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was asked we trump doubts so many intelligence agency's reporting russia was behind the hacking. >> what we're really trying to figure out is how certain are they of the intelligence, number one, and number, two how proportional is the response to what happened. what he's not going to do is politicize intelligence and decide to shoot from the hip before he has a complete picture of what's happening. >> as a republican strategist, does that make sense to you? why are you laughing? i'm smiling because we're at the point again where donald trump says something and his team explains what he really meant. and then we go forward and we find out, it's something completely different. my guess is that he will get this briefing, he'll -- donald trump will modify his position. he'll say as president-elect, i've learned some things. but he's basically buying some time until he becomes president to handle the situation with russia. which does make sense politically. it's just part of the theater we see. >> you think he'll modify and say, yes, in fact, russia is -- yes, i agree russia was behind
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it? >> he may not say that exactly, and it won't be until he's president, but i think we'll see something very close to that. >> howard, trump today tweeting about election night. we mentioned that. on new year's eve there was this tweet from him. happy new year to all, including to my many enemies, and those who have fought me and lost so badly and don't know what to do. what do you make of the rearview mirror of donald trump? >> i don't know what to make of donald trump. as i say, i've guessed wrong about him every time i've had a chance to guess, which is a lot on this station. so, i don't know why he's the way he is. he is the way he is. he keeps wanting to litigate all his pasts. the problem is this stuff is going to count in about 18 days. so, when he goes through all this stuff, he's going to be the president of the united states. >> this stuff being tweets? >> all this -- it's not just the tweets. it's the vengefulness, the pettiness, it's the nonsense that this isn't true. eventually, you can't do that because people are not going to respect you.
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as the president. and he needs people to respect him who didn't agree with him, not just who did agree with him. >> he's trying to build respect in the past week for people who have been on vacation and maybe haven't been watching every single day, he took credit for the consumer confidence index surging in december. he also the other day made a big show of announcing that he had met with sprint and sprint's going to bring some jobs back that were set to go overseas. he's claiming these victories, and to what howard just said, seems to be trying to win people over with these look what i'm doing. is he claiming victory for things he really doesn't have any right to be claiming victory? >> he's -- he's in campaign mode. that's clear. every little inch that he can get, he will take. and then he has to face looking forward, that what happens when the first jobs report comes out and he's president, and it's the numbers he hopes for, that's fantastic. but the american public is not looking at 5,000 jobs. we're looking to see 250,000 jobs. but this is -- this is fine for the president-elect to do.
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it's his style. it's the way he goes. >> howard, you talked about fighting. you said you agree with our former guest, allan lichtman who said democrats have any chance e president's trying to do on wednesday, which is fight the appeal of obamacare? >> i don't know. you know, when the republicans figure out what that means, it's going to be a huge problem. and you're going -- you know, donald trump wouldn't be where he is without the votes of a lot of working class people who are really benefitting obamacare. and if they lose their health insurance, they're pretty well screwed. if all the small business people lose their health insurance. they're pretty well screwed. and so, i think what's -- the strategy is on the republican side is get rid of it without making it effective until after the congressional elections in 2018, and buy some time that way. but i think what they're going to try to do legislatively is crazy. the one problem is in the senate. we have 48 votes and there are going to be nervous republicans
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who have to run for reelection who are not going to have to face reelection knowing they've stiffed them for health insurance. >> susan and howard, thanks for being with us. happy new year. appreciate it. after the break, amazing video of flowing lava in hawaii. so amazing, in fact, that some tourists wanted to get a closer look, and it almost killed them. that story up next. will your business be ready when growth presents itself? american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at find but the best place to exprstart is in the forest. kubo: i spy something beginning with..."s" beetle: snow. kubo: no.
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large crowd checking out the volcano on the bill island of hawaii on new year's eve, they saw this big collapse of a la va delta into the pacific ocean, 26 acres of the island actually collapsed. the lava was clearly visible as it fell into the water sending huge plumes of smoke of steam into the air. check this out, park rangers say before that happened, five visitors walked past a rope closure line, hoping to get a closer look and had to be pulled back from a section of the cliff. that happened minutes before that section then fell into the ocean. do not pass the white line, people, it's there for a reason. in france, switching gears, it is now legal to avoid work e-mail outside of business hours. i'm not making this up. law went into effect yesterday. we are joined from london, hey. >> hey kate, good afternoon, the law says this now in france, if you are a company or firm with
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50 employees or more, you must say how those employees are going to spend time and crucially when away from their phones. with their families, relaxing, taking time, just to breathe. it is a law that has been brought in by french lawmakers who one, for example, describing the cell phone as like a leash. and electronic leash that ties workers to their jobs, the entire time. increasing stress. so there is back and forth in france already they have a limits of the working week. they think that this will actually prove workers productivity by giving people a chance to be creative and to think creatively and to spend time relaxing. so when they are at work, they can be fully functioning, kate. >> all right, thanks so much. here to discuss this more is clive thompson, it is a come um nis with the "new york times"
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magazine, author of the book "smarter than you think:how technology is changing our minds for the better." in the commercial break, true confessions of how much time we took off and away from the office. are we too plugged in and what he just said, would it actually help productivity if we unplugged a bit like the french? >> absolutely. i've talked to lots of scientists who have studied this. experiments where they get people to, you know, check e-mail maybe only a couple times a day or radical, don't check it all week long. just talk on the phone. and they discovered that people get the same amount of work done, and their stress levels are way longer. >> french workers already have a 35 hour workweek, it's sort of different in france, right? >> well -- >> work here. >> for the blue collar -- the white collar, they work more than 35 hours, they have to get paid overtime. they get hit hard too. could it work here? it could because it has. boston consulting group, hard driving folks.
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they got pushed the limit with e-mail, and they started working on predictable time off. which is what they called it where you could not e-mail. and it worked so well that their work hours went down by 11 hours a week and they still got all the same amount of work done because it turns out that most of that e-mail isn't useful. it isn't doing anything. people cover your butt e-mails. if you shrink that down, you get the same amount of work done and less stress. >> how do you enforce it? how france is going to enforce. how would you enforce this rule of nothing after work hours. >> it's not easy. there's no penalties set up for it, it's more like just to push this conversation to force the company to have a policy. >> so that employees can say, i was abiding by the law. >> exactly. >> now the thing is, if a company has a policy, they usually discover it's easy to enforce because everyone likes it so much. i've talked to the companies, no sending of e-mail before 7:00 in the morning or after 7:00 at
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night. you can read it if you want to, but you can't send it to other people. it takes sometimes several weeks. you have to slap people in the wrist label the. once that get that feeling of knowing they're at home and they don't have to check their e-mail because there's no crazy e-mail from manager or co-worker. they love it. >> i sort of like that idea, although at nbc news, i don't think there's any way -- >> makes it hard. >> for the rest of the world, that makes sense. like i don't call people after 9:00 at night usually out of courtesy. >> if you set up than policy, it's an emergency. they know to pick up the phone. >> right. >> it's not someone sending another e-mail. did you read this memo. >> that's what this stuff is. >> thank you so much. interesting to talk with you. it's an interesting idea. i like it. that's going to do it for me this hour. i'm going to see you tonight on your nbc station for nightly news filling in frl lester holt. after that maybe a break for e-mail. you can still find me on snapchat, twitter, or instagram.
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ari picks up coverage from here. >> sounds like more than 35 hour yourself. >> maybe. >> thank you so much. good afternoon to everyone at home. i'm live in new york. 18 days to go until donald trump is sworn in as president. topping the agenda right now, hacking and the questions that still remain. >> until we have the information and that he can make a complete and full disclosure as to what needs to be taken next, he's going to wait. >> president-elect trump and his team appealing for more time when it comes to russia, trump implying that he knows some things that others don't. what questions are the trump team claiming are still outstanding? also on the agenda, manhunt in turkey. >> i was shot in the hip. the bullet travelled to me and lodged in my knee. probably the luckiest person in the whole thing. i found myself fortunate. i was with nine people, seven of us were shot. >> turkish police currently on the hunt for the gunman who oped


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