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decisions are made yet. you'll either have a transition period when the replace comes in, or you can have an almost of it already replaced with more coming forward. i think you have to have enough time where people can bring all the ideas in. look, one of the biggest problems with obamacare, it was one-party rule. one-party idea all the way through. i think everybody should have their ideas at the table. and we should find a system that actually works, that empowers the american person to have a relationship with their doctor, and lower the costs. >> cokeman kevin mccarthy, thank you so much for being with us. congratulations on getting sworn in yet again today. and having the largest majority, i guess, republicans have had since 1928. good luck with that. >> thanks very much. that does it for us this morning. stepnie ruhle is going to be picking up the coverage right now. stephanie? >> thanks so much, joe. happy new year. i am stephanie ruhle. this morning, we have got a lot to cover. first thing, ethics under fire. republicans in congress set to gut, you heard me, gut the watchdog that is overseeing
them. and democrat are in an uproar over it. is this draining the swamp? as donald trump himself takes aim at another company. this morning, gm now in his crosshairs. and breaking overnight, deadly storms, five people already killed as a series of tornadoes sweep through the south. >> we kind of saw stuff flying in the air. >> we're going to take you live to that scene, where overseas, a hunt for a killer. new pictures of the terrorist that killed 39 people in turkey. authorities identifying him overnight. we have got the latest. and many airports in absolute chaos. this is a nightmare, one of the busiest travel days of the year gets even worse. u.s. customs systems completely down while people are trying to get back in the country and they're stuck. >> this has to be at least 5,000 people in line right now. this is worst than a disneyland ride. >> all right, that would make me lose my mind. this is kind of making me lose my mind, too. ready for it? the house getting back in
session in just a few hours, and one of the first moves they're actually making is a big surprise. a proposal to undermine, essentially neutralize the office of congressional ethics. you heard me right. it's clearly going to be one of the biggest political stories of the day. we're going to get into it with a very special panel, two friends of mine. megan murphy, the editor of "bloomberg businessweek," and president and ceo of landries n inc. i want to turn to kasie hunt to help me understand, what is congress doing here, kasie? >> reporter: hey, steph. we're talking about the office of congressional ethics. it was an office that was created after a series of scandals in congress. you may remember jack abramoff and his lobbying scandal. one of several that prompted democrats who took back the house in 2008 to run on this drain the swamp idea and put this office in place. and there's already a house ethics committee, but the knock
on them had always been that basically they never took very much action. they were quicker to bury wrong doink, and that something else needed to be done. a lot ofhese other scandals had been found out or criminally investigated. it wasn't coming from the house itself. so this was a move to try to say, okay, we're going to make sure we hold our members accountable. we're going to make an independent panel. it's bipartisan. it's out of the hands of members of congress. and we're going to let them investigate. so in the intervening years, it's come to be a source of great frustration for a lot of members of congress, partly because a lot of times, the office of congressional ethics will say that they are investigating somebody. they will come out publicly and say, hey, we're looking into this. and that, as you can imagine, creates political problems for people who then have to turn every two years and try to get voters to send them back to congress and the rub for people who would defend this is to say, that strips away due process rights for these people. an investigation does not cessarily equal guilt.
and so that's really the main complaint of people who don't like the office. but the reality is, this was done in the dead of night, in a closed-door meeting of house republicans. it's going to be voted on as part of a rules package today here in the house. but speaker ryan, kevin mccarthy, both say, their aides say that they spoke out against this in the meeting, but at the end of the day, right now, it's looking like thi office is essentially going to be gutted, eph. >> all right. mccarthy was just on "morning joe" and he said maybe the timing wasn't great, but he did support the sentiment. megan, help me, with all that congress could focus on, this, this is the first thing they go after? people who voted for donald trump, their issue is that we're just too focused on ethics, we've got to change these rules? >> it's not exactly draining the swamp. it's kind of pouring more muck into it. i think kasie makes the exact point. people are going to be outraged by two things, one that it was done in this closed-door,
late-night session. it's the first thing they tackle. and second, it's going to be clear that some of the people that advocated this change of gutting this watchdog have been the subject of investigation themselves. i think that's going to stick in the craw of the american people as more information comes out. i think the technical details of this will go over the heads of most people and congress will move on with bigger bang in terms of what they're going to do in coming weeks. but this just how it was done and how it came out a how it actually happened and transpired, really makes one question, as people are saying, prettytupid. let's talk about the headline risk here. ethics, code of conduct. these are some of the main issues that people have fears around donald trump. when you see a headline like this come across, what does that tell you? >> it's a little scary, but at the same time, i'm going to try to take the other side, just because i feel like -- >> actually, you know what, with i'm sorry to interrupt, but mike pence is actually speaking right now outside trump towe let's take a listen. >>e anticipate along with the
announcement of robert light hausser, as the united states trade representative, we anticipate at least one more cabinet announcement in the coming days. and we're also making plans and preparations to be on capitol hill tomorrow in a meeting with members of the house and senate to talk about how we can move forward an agenda to make america great again. we'll focus on repealing and replacing obamacare. we'll look forward to legislation that will give us the tools to roll back the avalanche of red tape and regulation that's been stifling american jobs and growth. the president-elect has a very clear message to capitol hill, and that is, it's time to get to work. and it's time to keep our word to the american people to make this country great again, to make it prosperous again, and we look forward to being on capitol hill tomorrow. say again? [ inaudible ] >> we receive regular intelligence briefings and i'll
be joining the president-elect today for a routine intelligence briefing. but i think over the course of the coming days, the president-elect will be receiving more information about that and other topics on the world stage. okay? >> have you lost confidence in the u.s. intelligence community? >> i think the challenges that america faces on the world stage are going to be met with renewed american strength and renewed american leadership rebuild our military, engaging leaders around the world, as the president-elect has done on a personal basis, is all part and parcel of, i think, a new season. it's 2017. we're just a few weeks away from a new administration taking office. and i think the world will see that with our president-elect taking office, that america will be standing tall in the world again, engaging the world again, and standing firmly for america's interests. thank you all. >> all right. we haven't heard from mike pence in a while. mike pence outside trump tower, weighing in on the state of the world, at least on fifth avenue.
tillman, i interrupted you. you seem to be defending this idea here? >> i feel like you got to defend it, because it's so far out there, that there's going to be a positive to this. one key word. it's bipartisan, okay? and that tells you sympathetic. that everybody is going to be a part of this. but it's hard to believe that they would do this. what they're trying to get rid of is all of the silly accusations where anybody can say anything and you don't have to say who you are or what it's about. and we live in a world today where everybody's after each other. so i think they're trying to clean it up. there's got to be fine print to this that is good for the american public. i cannot believe that they would do this when they're all talking about the conflicts that donald trump has. >> that's not what mike pence weighed in on this morning. we didn't hear mike pence commenting on this, which points again to, well, they made this decision in the dark of the night. hmm, mike gave an update on a lot of things, but not that. >> i don't think it's going to be a surprise to anyone that
congress does things that are good for congress and aren't necessarily good for the american people. so i don't think i'll give them the benefit of the doubt. and it strips away the dependence of this entity. no longer will they be judged by people who are outside, they're not their peers, they're not their colleagues. that was sort of of the essential standard there. without that, they're going to be able to override, they're going to be able to shut down, and be able to stop these kind of accusations. these accusations go from everything from corruption to lobbying issues and also sexual harassment. >> and if you want to be a whistle blower, you cannot make an anonymous call. you can't call the police. >> and they won't be able to take those tips from elsewhere. i think it's a proucfound chang. the way it went down, even senior republican aides and senior leadership saying, not smart. >> okay, don't go anywhere. we've got to actually talk about donald trump. mike pence isn't the only person at trump tower. our own kristen welker is there. kristen, talk to us about the morning donald trump is having.
he's taken to twitter it, sounds like. >> reporter: it's another tweet storm, steph. it started this morning, taking aim at gm. let me read you donald trump's tweet and i then i'll read you the response we just got from gm. here's what the president-elect tweeted. he says, general motors is sending mexico-made model of chevy cruz to u.s. car dealers, tax-free across the border. make in usa, or pay big border tax. so that was the tweet from the president-elect. this was how the company responded, just moments ago, steph. tweeting, general motors manufactures the chevrolet cruze sedan in lordstown, ohio. all chevrolet cruze sedans sold in the u.s. are built in gm's assembly plant in lordstown, ohio. gm builds the chevy cruz hatchback for global markets in mexico, with a small number sold in the u.s. so the company pushing back, really just a matter of moments after we got that tweet from the president-elect. this is yet another example of
mr. trump doing business, talking about domestic policy, on his favorite mode of communication, through twitter. last night, he took to twitter to take aim at north korea and china. it's a sign that he's really starting 2016 in a very similar -- 2017, i should say, in a very similar way that he ended 2016, which is with these tweet storms. but political analysts speculate thatehind the scenes, he may, in fact, be having more complex conversations with these companies and, of course, foreign entities, as well. he will be holding more meetings here at trump tower today, as he continues with his transition. >> i'm not sure that's the case. if gm is right and he's not getting the basic facts right about where they make this car. but tillman, you and i have spoken about this in the past. this is the ceo president-elect. listen, he's gone after boeing, we've seen it with lockheed and we've seen wit carrier. and you take this as a positive, this kind of action? >> i do see it as a positive. first off, because he tweeted
about them today and didn't say nice things when they ask him about it later today. he's going to say, they're the best company in the world and they're so wonderful and there's no better company than general motors. he always says something later in the day. but the bottom line, you shouldn't be able to bring the ca back in without a huge tariff. you shouldn't take jobs to mexico. i have 60,000 employees, okay? you should do as much as you can in the united states of america. but the reason they do this is because they try to break the unions. and they say, if you don't do this, we're going to take the jobs to mexico. okay? there's always a reason that we go to these other countries. because we try to make it easier on the rest of our labor force here in the united states. >> okay. well, you're talking a little bit about theory. let's talk about practicality. and donald trump doing these types of things, it moves markets. you have a president-elect during this month who stands up and talks about a company, and it immediately affects their stock performance, at a time when he' not getting reviewed. he doesn't have to necessarily
disclose, and he hasn't, what he's doing. look at donald trump's transition team. look at the people around him. you have anthony scaramucci, carl icahn, gary cohn, steve mnuchin, wilbur ross. you have professional investors that are sitting in trump tower that are potentially privy to information that moves markets. and in terms of investing, it is all about when you get information. it's about timing. this is an issue, but it's unprecedented. maybe it's not illegal. >> we'll see if any of those jobs held gm stock. let's look at the facts of this situation. we're not just talking about gm. all car manufacturers, many car manufacturers, ford, fiat, volkswagen, gm, have moved manufacturing capacity to mexico. and yes, it is cheaper labor. yes, they are not bound to the same union rules and regulations. these are also highly efficient, highly automated, highly sophisticated plants, where hundreds of thousands of cars are produced. a large portion of which go into the north american market. this is a problem, if he's going to make these kind of tweets, if he's going to call them out by name and target ceos like he did
with boeing and lockheed, it is going to cause instability and it is going to cause volatility, and it is going to cause markets to move. but most importantly, it's going to give those industry captains pause to say, how do i make investment decisions for the future? how do i know where i want to deploy my resources, deploy my investment, if i have a president who's such a loose cannon that he announces not only the nuclear policy, but really targets companies individually, in a tweet, at 6:00 a.m. on a tuesday morning on january 3rd. this is the environment we're in. there are a lot of people who are pretty nervous about that. >> and it's never happened before, to think that a president is talking about companies. and you're so right, it moves markets. >> yeah. >> and who's reading what he night tweet the night before? it tells them what they need to do. it's scary. >> there's got to be seo that figures out an algorithm for this. arbitrators that go in -- >> they already have. there are arbitrators that have set up models to respond to donald trump's tweets. but let's talk about who's sitting at the table in trump tower.
carl icahn doesn't have to disclose what he's doing. come on now, this is extraordinary. if you're the ceo of a publicly traded company, you either want to hide out or get on one of his counsels. if you're out there, you're a sitting duck. >> this could be the biggest trade of all, the trump alg rumt rhythm. a little bit of breaking news down in the south where they are bracing for another round of mother nature's fury. parts of the region could see more piercing rain today after vicious storms tore through the area late yesterday, unleashing tornadoes and triggering punishing floods. five people have already been pronounced dead. and we're going to get more details from you shortly. we're going to take a break. next, we'll show you the new video of the man turkish authorities killed -- turkish authorities say killed nearly 40 people in istanbul and officials are close to identifying who he is. but first, i get to give you a positive one. and from my friend, tillman. it was a rose bowl for the ages.
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welcome back. i'm stephanie ruhle. you're watching msnbc. we're going to take you back to that news that broke overnight. massive lines at miami international airport on one of the busiest travel days of the year. i was there, thank goodness i missed this. what was it all about? really caused by a four-hour outage for u.s. customs and border protection. and it wasn't just miami. the same scene you're looking at right here played out at airports across the country. but i want to take you live to miami, where nbc's kerry sanders is. kerry, please tell me this is over. >> reporter: it is over. the doors, as you can see, well, nobody coming through right now. we had a flight in here a short time ago from brazil. people came through, nobody complaining. but for the folks traveling during this computer glitch, what a hassle. these are international flights. so you're probably flying, you know, eight, nine, eleven hours. you get to the foreign airport
two hours early, then you land and get off and find a line that stretches for four hours. if you've been through customs, you know there's really nowhere to sit. so you sit on your luggage and waiting for the computer glitch. the most important thing is that customs and border patrol says that this was not a case of hacking. they haven't identified what the problem was, but they know that the system went down. and it impacted all those international points of entry. miami, we had about 8,000 people here who were held up. and remember, a l of people making international flights come here, clear customs, and then make another flight for a connection. that all got messed up more them. it happened in atlanta, up at jfk, it happened up internationally in boston. it happened in l.a. just about anybody who's going through customs coming to the united states had to deal with this. and if you had global entry, that was not a secret way around the mess, that was also down, stephanie. >> it was just a mess. all right, thank you so much, kerry sanders in miami. i've got to take you overseas now.
breaking this morning, police are close to identifying the gunman they say killed a total of 39 people last weekend at that terror attack that took place in a nightclub. officials have also released this selfie video of the gunman walking around a book fair in the city just days before the attack took place. nbc's kelly cobia joins us now from istanbul. this video is everywhere, so why can't they find this guy? >> it's a big city, first of all, stephanie. we're talking about a city of 14 million, more than 14 million people, it straddles two separate continents, asia and europe. this is a big international city, one of the biggest in the world. having said that, police are under incredible pressure to find this guy. when you think about the circumstances surrounding this attack, it happened on a holiday. there were multiple warnings that there could potentially be some sort of attack on westerners during this period. or on celebrations during this period. you know, there were reports of
some 17,000 extra policeman on the streets of istanbul. and a police station next to the nightclub. so police are really under pressure to find this guy. they've put out alerts at the ports, the airports and the borders to be on the lookout for someone who looks like this. and they have madeome arrests, according to t according to the deputy prime minister, eight -- sorry, not arrests, detentions. they've brought these people in for questioning in connection with to the attack. but third day of a manhunt. and no updates as to whether or not they're any closer to finding their suspect, stephanie. >> all right. thanks, kelly. megan, tilman, i know you're not terror experts, but my wow is, this took place saturday night and this guy is still at large. just a few weeks, the berlin attacker made it 600 miles to italy before he was shot and killed. what does this tell you about, are these guys getting better at it? is it an issue of the soft borders in europe zblm the borders are soft in europe,
okay? i don't know if it is from turkey, but everywhere else, you can move around anywhere, just like we move around the states, in the united states. it's still hard to believe that we haven't got than guy yet, when his photo was posted everywhere. so he's got to be held up somewhere. but i bet you they still nail him in the next 24 to 48 hours. >> i agree. it's a matter of time. but it is worrying how he's either had help or in the safe house or just incredibly lucky. they're going to have to find him and nail him. it's worrying how far he's been able to get on from this horrific attack. >> cold-blooded killer with a machine gun. >> whether it's isis or isis inspired, donald trump has said, he's going after isis hard in his first hundred days. looks like it's going to be pretty complicated. we've got to take a break. next, trump says he knows things other don't know about the hacking of the election. what exactly could he know? especially given that he's not a man who uses computers? and does it include anything about russia?
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primer. everything you need to know to get your day started. we begin with the deadly storms taking place in the south. at least five people were killed overnight in alabama and florida. and in washington, congress is back to work today, but before returning, house republicans voted to scrap an independent panel, created to look into alleged misconduct by lawmakers. the full house will vote on that change later today. and three days and no sign of 6-year-old david puckett. he was last seen wandering away from his home in colorado on new year's eve, wearing just a light jacket. his family says he has a slight learning disability. and terrifying moments in southern california, when an suv stalled on the 110 freeway early sunday morning, when another car slammed entitle, causing the suv to simply burst into flames. the drivers were pulled to safety, but their conditions are unknown. and scary moments in the sky. i want you to look at this. this is my worst nightmare. when an airport baggage handler got trapped inside the pressurized cargo hold of a
united express flight from charlotte to d.c.'s dulles airport. he was freed uninjured after the plane touched down. that right there, i always thought snakes on a plane is my worst nightmare. that is, right there. >> how did that even happen? did you know that was possible to have someone in the baggage hold, trapped, in there. >> i don't want to indict this guy, but it doesn't just happen, okay? he was either sleeping or taking a break. you don't end up when they shut the cargo hatch and you're on the plane. that's why he is not talking. >> so there you are, baggage handler. the worst thing ever in your life happened and tilman just said it was your own dang fault. my friend, tilman fertitta is here with us for the hour,s well as megan murphys, the editor in chief of "businessweek." now we've got to talk donald trump yet again. president-elect trump remains skeptical, skeptical about russia's interference in u.s. presidential elections. saying he would reveal inside information about the country's alleged hacking as early as today. but now one of his top advisers
is walking that claim back. >> he didn't say that -- he didn't necessarily say he'd announce it. what he's saying is that we'll find out, he'll find out. i think it's all very contingent on what these intelligence officials reveal in their briefing, anderson. >> okay. >> and everybody should be very happy that the president-elect is open to receiving that briefing. >> what they say? well, they've said over and over, they believe russia is tied to it. i want to bring in former independent presidential candidate and former cia counterterrorism officer, evan mcmullen. evan, first, congratulations on an noble run. good on you. president-elect trump says he knows things other people don't know. what kind of things could he know? that >> that's a great question. i don't think much, candid. i'm very eager to see what he says today. as you said, he said he knows things that other people don't know. he would reveal them on tuesday or wednesday. so it's time to hear what he knows. i don't think he knows much. but the game he's playing here is trying to push back on
overwhelming evidence, in my view, that russia did try to influence our election. people talk a lot about the hacks, but it's not just the hacks. it's rt america, their cable network in the united states, which has been promoting trump for a year and undermining our democratic institutions during that time period. it's their support for the white supremacist movement in the united states. it's the employment of all of these trolls online that promote donald trump and attack his opponents. it's these things that they do in the open, they do them in europe and now they're doing them here, russia. it's not something that vladimir putin is even trying to hide. but yet, donald trump is denying it, which makes it so bizarre. and of course, now claiming that he knows things other people don't. so let's hear what those things are. i'm very curious. >> i want to share some of the things donald trump has been saying in the last few days, because many who actually support his policies, who think he could do a good job, are looking at the things he's saying, over and over, or on twitter, and they're saying, what are you doing? what are you talking about?! and here's specifically some of the things he said about cybersecurity.
>> i'm not an e-mail person. i'm not an e-mail person, myself. i don't believe in it. because i think it can be hacked. i don't care what they say, no computer is safe. the security aspect of cyber is very, very tough. the whole, you know, age of computer has made it where nobody knows exactly what's going on. the old days were better. you write something down, put it an envelope, you hand it to somebody and that's it. >> "the old days were better"? tilman, you've defended a lot of things in terms of donald trump's policies, but the age of computer? like, what are we talking about here? >> first off, there is no evidence -- okay, and i sure hope he knows more than we do, because he is the president-elect. but i agree with evan, there is nothing that's going to come out today that is going to enlighten any of us, okay? everybody has said it is the russians. the russians hack everybody.
the russians have hacked my company, okay? 400 restaurants and it is an issue all over america with the russians. it is 100% the russians and nobody else. the chinese just want to be in your office. the russians hack you. >> okay, then, evan, you're a former cia guy. you have to be speaking to people inside some of these agencies and to tillmman's poin those who say this is 100% russian interference, what are they telling you? >> they're very concerned about deeper issues, and the deeper issue is that donald trump and his team continue to defend russia, even in the scenario where it's clear they tried to influence the election. of course, we don't know what impact it actually had or not, but it's hard to imagine that everything they did had no impact. but either way, that's the main tension here is between donald trump's desireo align his administration i our country with the very foreign adversary that is attacking our democracy. the very system that ensures our
basic rights in this country. that's the deeper question, and that's the deeper source of tension between the intelligence community and the national security community and donald trump. and we need to ask ourselves, why is donald trump defending vladimir putin in russia in this scenario, so consistently? it's pretty much the only thing he's been consistent about through the entire election and post-election. >> does paul ryan and mike pence have to k theelves this question? they've aligned themselves with donald trump, who's basically saying, uh, intelligence, m-intelligence. >> everyone makes the fundamental point here, which is where do other republicans go and where does the intelligence counity go tt every evidence is showing, yes, is there proof that it impacted the presidential election of other races? no. is there not only proof, reams and reams of evidence that they actively tried to destabilize
our democracy, absolutely? and are they going to continue to align themselves with someone who of our greatest traditional adversary, someone, his own running mate, mike pence continually sayss a real threat, a real oblem, and someone we need to take a harder line on. and donald trump, every time he's asked the question about vladimir putin, simply walks away and actually has dumbed down his rhetoric and says, we should be back in an age where you should simply be delivering hand-delivered notes to people. it's not the world we live in. >> indeed. >> it's extraordinary. it's extraordinary. evan, thank you so much. >> thank you. a pleasure. >> i'm not letting you two go anywhere. we've got more show to cover. next, donald trump taking on gm in a new tweet we talkeabout earlier. we'll dig into it deeper, opening up more questions about wh he and his team are doing before they get into the white house. ethics and conflicts of interest with the team trump always tell us he can't not have any
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welcome back. we're talking this morning about the house majority leader, kevin mccarthy, who defended republicans' decision to gut an ethics watchdog group, even if he doesn't like the idea of pursuing it on day one. >> i can't want to put politics with it. that's why i thought this wasn't the best time to go forward with it. but the reforms do not change the entity. the public still registers a
complaint. they still do the work with the ethics review. and it still goes forward to ethics, whether they should dismiss it or review it. >> i want to bring in former ambassador, norm eisen, who is also special counsel and ethics adviser. that is his jam, to president obama. megan and tilman are still here with me. norm, we've been talking about ethics for weeks, and now this in the middle of the night. if the republicans succeed in basically neutering the office of congressional ethics, is there any watchdog, at all? >> thanks, stephanie. and happy new year. this is a terrible destruction and the watchdog will have its teeth removed and its bark muzzled by these changes. what my friend, kevin mccarthy said, is not right. this is a dramatic change, removing the ability of the watchdog to make criminal complaints, taking away its ability to speak publicly, no more whistle blower complaints.
taking control of investigations and the people are being investigated have the ability to end the investigation. that is a total transformation. and it is terrible for oversight in congress. >> all right. well, then, let's talk about your reaction here. you were part of the bipartisan group that, again, yesterday, sent a letter to the president-elect, encouraging him to put his assets in a blind trust. let's be honest, putting his assets in a blind trust, is that letter basically confetti in trump tower at this point? >> well, i wouldn't assume that the bipartisan outcry over mr. trump's failures so far to do the right thing, follow the precedent of the past four decades and set up an independent trustee to sell his businesses, now a bipartisan outcry over this terrible move on the hill to eliminate the
office of congressional ethics. i wouldn't assume that trump is just going to be able to tear up that letter. the people are going to be very upset about this, including the ones who vote for him. he already has the worst approval ratings of any president-elect in this transition honeymoon period. i think that in trump tower, they're wrestling with this. of course if the president-elect were smart, huld speak o this morning against what they're doing on the hill, wha the republicans are doing on the hi. the problem is, that uld call attention to his own ethics crisis. still, i think they're struggling with it. that's a good thing. >> i don't know. megan, do you think they're struggling with this at trump tower, or are they laughing at us? they've got the law on their side? >> we just said, this has been unprecedented, what he's done with his businesses in four decades. let's grapple with reality here. he's not going to sell his businesses. he's not going to divest his businesses. he believes, and he is right, that he was elected in part because people view him as a
successful busess person. how true that is, or not. thats a big part of what american people identify with him, from the planes, to the hotels, and have pushed him forward. whether or not he's going to put entitle a blind trust, who knows. is it going to give it to his sons, to ivanka, who knows? but he has been able to stonewall people like me, who very candidly told you last year many times, the american people would not stand for this, with these potential conflicts stretching from indonesia to canada to everywhere else where he's got interests. they have, and they don't seem to have that push that is really going to force him to make real changes here. i think it's going to be pretty minor, what he eventually announces no terms of putting it in some sort of family structure. >> first thing, we have to discount everything norm said, because it's so partisan. >> what?! >> that's the first thing we have to do. >> and so is donald trump. >> okay. he's the president-elect, okay? he is going to have conflicts of interest, okay? he is no more putting it in a blind trust. that is the smartest thing anybody said, megan, what you
just said, okay? that's why we elected him president. is because he's a true chief executive officer and he knows how to tell people what to do. he needs to put one of his kids in charge of the business, who comes to no meetings at the white house, ever, okay? but you are not going to stop him from talking to his one son that is running the business, okay? we are all smoking something. it's his business, it's a family business, a blind trust means, you have a trustee that can just sell it. it's never happening. get used to his little conflicts. he isn't going to do anything major. >> we're going to say "little conflicts" when just is week at his new year's eve party, he was praising his business partner from dubai who was there? throughout the campaign, he's got projects in indonesia, that business partner, who, by the way, carl icahn, also involved in that project. his business partner in indonesia, he might run for president. this is the world we're now living in and you're saying, you
get what you get and you don't get upset? >> i'm not saying, you don't get upset. the media will watch him. but he is going to have some conflicts. you can't help it. that's why we elected him president, stephanie. >> indonesia is a tinderbox of instability and the future of that country in that region, as you rightly identifd earlier, that whole aipac region and what's going on there, we have a project that's going on there where it sn't even broken ground yet as far as building it. we have a president-elect who's now going to be building hotel resorts. one is the most luxurious six stars near bali. these are not little conflicts. these are geopolitical really important things where he has some leverage and they have leverage over him in terms of the policy decisions he can make on a foreign policy level, on an economic level, as well. it is something he has to deal with. >> ian bremmer has said, 2017 is going to be the riskiest year in terms of geopolitics since world war ii. this is a complicated thing. it's not just, well, you voted for a ceo. >> let me make myself clear. he should not develop anything
new with a foreign country, okay? do whatever you want to do in the u.s. he absolutely should shut it down with any foreign government whatsoever. >> norm? >> stephanie, three things. number one, this is not partisan. there is an outcry from some of the most conservative watchdogs in the country. peter schweizer, who wrote "clinton cash," john pudner, the tea party leader. they oppose what trump is doing with these enormous conflicts. tilman, these are not small. number two, this is a constitutional violation. he's getting foreign cash flowing in from foreign governments all over the world. and that violates the constitutional prohibition on emoluments. that just means, no foreign government payments. number three, if trump doesn't voluntarily act, i disagree that they're not struggling. how many times have they kicked over this press conference? now it's supposedly scheduled for the 11th?
that will probably be canceled, too. they are trying to find a way to deal with these enormous problems, because they know they're going to be scandal, and that's what people are saying bipartisan. >> or, norm, we're struggling with it, and they're playing us. we're out of time, but i have to ask you, tilman. you said, no new projects. what do you think he should do with the hotel in d.c.? as all of these foreign dignitaries when they come to see the president, should they stay there? >> he should 100% hire a management company that has nothing to do with trump to run that property. it's a conflict. he should hire a management. that is too close to home. >> foreign dignitaries are the only one who can afford that hotel. it's about 700 bucks a night. norm, thank you so much. we'll take a break. >> thanks, stephanie. next, target number one for republicans as they return to capitol hill, obamacare. but is that a smart move? american express open cards can help you take on a new job
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obama care, this was his signature. what can he do here now? >> this is the one silver lining for him. it's going to be harder than people think to repeal and replace obama wear. one, parts of it are very popular and, two, parts of it are embedded in places where republicans simply do not have enough votes to overturn key parts of it. so, look, are they going to gut a wide portion of his legacy? of course. is obama care going to be number one target? yes. but actually, this is something that republicans have to be very careful with. they've had seven years, they have no alternative to replace it in full detail yet. the american people don't like their health care fooled around with. there may be parts of obama care they hate but people like having health care as well and it could be something that becomes a little bit of an albatross around their neck. >> 20 million people could lose their coverage. tillman, you said to me before obama care as it is just doesn't work.
but donald trump did not have repla replacement. >> it'less expensive for healthy employees to buy themselves out it have. you can pay a fine and not have health insurance. it is so expensive today. i'm going to get you the pact for next time i come on. i bet you i have fewer employees today that have it. >> is that a good thing for your workforce if they don't have health care and a catastrophic injury happens. >> it's horrible for me. something happens to them at home and they come to work and say it's workman's comp so my workman's comp claims are up that i'm paying for 100%. how about that one. >> you think we can just scrap obama care and there is an
actual plan here? place? >> no, there isn't a plan. everybody should be treated the same. every single american citizens it should be like a 1% of this or half percent of this that comes out of everybody's check and everybody has the same health care from the same company, the federal government. if you want to pay up to move up the list or whatever -- >> welcome to britain. welcome to europe, which is exactly the system they have in europe that all the republicans say no way. >> it is not working obama care. i have less employees that have health insurance today. >> you no what is working today? the market. i want to give you a quick look at it before we go to break. wall street, first full day of trading in the new year and the dow is up tapping at that 20,000 mark once again. this is what i want to share with you which i just love. after donald trump's attack
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if you thought the rose bowl was exciting to watch, you can watch tilman tonight. coming up more with halle jackson. >> hey, good morning, everyone. i'm halle jackson. a bold move to defang the ethics watch dog and a new care on obama care. turkish police close to naming the suspect of the massacre. >> plus tornado outbreak. more than a dozen twisters touched down in the south. more than four people dead with this threat of severe weather not over yet. and offing the oversight, the enough congress set to get sworn in just two hours from now and already facing fire from democratic members. house republicans voting secretly and