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schedule earlier in december it was postponed i assume this one he rerch references. it will be 159 days that he takes from the press. "hardball" starting with my colleague chris matthews. let's play "hardball." tru trump's trump. good evening. in washingtons which is the scene of the action. who call shots republican power base in congress which has been raring to go with the own agenda for years or donald trump who takes office 17 days but is governing by tweet. the republicans acted to curtail
office of the ethics under tight sup vision of congress themselves this is until president-elect tweeted following. with all congress has to work on do they have to make the weakening of the ethics watchdog their number one act in priority. focus on tax return and health care and other things that's important. drain the swamp. that went out within the hour at 10:50 a.m. they schedule a emergency meeting at 11:00 a.m. at which time they backed off their amendment leaving the oc in place as an independent body. i'm joined by hallie. would the republicans stop their effort to gut the office of congressional ethics had not
trump tweeted? >> i do think that the tweet in the president-elect in weighing in on this issue starting the night before did have some part in this. i would be hesitate to -- they are starting to become build-up of an outrage on monday when this happened. you saw it build throughout morning. donald trump tomorrow adviser being pressured about this themselves. the dp and outrage tla existed publicly was starting come into play. ewasn't tweeting against the action of gutting the independent ethics committee he was tweeting about the timing of it. he didn't like that it was over shadowing health care you just read in the tweet. although i will say that the
clearly there was discussion about the president-elect reaction with house republicans in the morning before this flip-flop on the oce. did you get reporting they were going to reverse themselves on this until we heard from trump in his tweet, was there a sign they were going to do that? >> paul ryan doesn't like this. he was another leader, kevin mccarthy is striking a different tune. there was no appetite to do this. the idea that donald trump is it coming in this 17 days to drain the swamp and you have members of congress ethics lawyers i talked to on both sides who said this is ridiculous. these are the foxes guarding the
hen house here. >> thank you, hallie jackson. the office was spear headed by the congressman robert good lie of virgin islands. a key criticism leek unanimous allegation members who felt this had been wrongly accused by ethical behavior by the oc. nothing is black and white and i have done a lot of talking with people op the hill today and i get the sense that both members don't like the office of ethics. that said once the word went out that congress is covering up trying to get rid of the watchdog outside that's going to
go after corruption if there's any and it was trump that blue the whistle. >> it was complete disaster. if you try to fix it you have to do it in bipartisan, you have need get leaders on both side for it. paul ryan was against it so was nanszcy pelosi. donald trump gets it. i thought it was sophisticated tweet. don't do it now, you're screwing up my agenda. they have criticism. this thing is out of control. >> i'm going back to the question, see says it's hard to answer the question. i look at sequence and i look at the way things are, when you say at ten:00 in the morning trump blows the whistle and tweet they
can't do this and they are putting out a emergency meeting. >> this what is a home run for donald trump it was a softball he could hit out of the park. i think he killed it. ryan tried to stop it. they had to focus on other things. >> let's talk about how this boomerangs later on. i think kellyanne conway said something smart. people care about what affects them than oe offends them. they said, i heard it from other people too, i have to pick a president so they picked one based on what -- if you kill health care, you kill it for them, that's affecting them. the republicans have the
replacement that's what i wonder how this organized right now. the fact they do this overnight without thinking it through the affect it's are they going to have their act together to replace obamacare in. >> they are going to -- what about those exposed? >> they are going to take care of the people that are exposed. the first process. repeal is going to be easy. >> you have 20 million people without health care. >> they are not going to take the health care away right away. it's going to be fazed out. >> where do you get this from? >> i get it from both sides. >> all i hear is the rumble of the republican caucus that's been raring to go for a long time. they got their agenda and it
says eliminate obamacare. it doesn't say replace, it says eliminate. >> they do that. a lot of people live in the stricts. >> do they know killing would ethics group would like terrible this morning? >> i think the rang arank and file in the room was terrible. a lot of democrats feel the same thing, too. >> you know who going to get blamed on this, the house republicans. >> in one going to talk about it because they did not do it. >> thank you. as i mentioned, yesterday, over the night, reportedly -- how
that reflected on him. let's listen. >> if you did really oppose it why were you not able to stop it in some way. doesn't it suggest you're weak leaders of the conference? >> welcome back. i have my house, wife, two kids, i didn't what we watch on tv. you can put whatever spin you want on it. that's not the way our government is designed to work. i think that's rather healthy. >> donald trump hold accountable. here is schumer. >> we will hold president-elect trump accountable to the values that make america grace.
back up we'll fight tooth and nail, that is our challenge, that is our charge, and we rise to meet it. >> joining me now chris murphy of connecticut. we talk about they are getting rid of the guard on the ethics from out said so they get to decide whether they are ethical or not. it's terrible. calling it out, blow the whistle, you look good. >> it was a great deal before there was independent watchdog because members on both side had a deal we won't investigate each
other. it was party trump tweet. he had something with republica republicans shelving it today. when folks are not looking at the dead of thursday night or friday night this could get slipped through sometime in february or march. >> do you think it implies he says do it later? >> yes. >> where does it say that at? >> he said work on the things i ware about. if it you want to do it in the spring or summer, maybe i'm not going to make such ha sting about it. >> did he say that? >> i pay attention to the words he uses. >> let me ask you about the strategy as a democrat, are you running for president. i think you are.
are you thinking about presidency in 2020? >> no, i'm not. >> not at all? >> i'm thinking about stopping the disaster that's going to occur to american in this gets through. >> let's talk about the that job right now. i'm watching schumer, i'm trying to figure out, he has to find the difference between he looks like an obstructionist like mitch oe connel, you don't want to look like that guy. do you want to be that guy. do you want to be pure on instructionist or look for places where they can -- where are they going to go here? >> barack obama entire pledge was going to fix russia.
trump is different, i can fix this. it's results impact people's lives that matter. i don't think it's political benefit to democrat to obstruct everything he does. if you're willing to meet us halfway we'll work with you. i don't see that invitation coming. i don't see that coming to work with us on infrastructure and tax reform. i would be surprise as they show up. i think they are going to shuf some thing through on the reconciliation and pack it in for the year and we have to explain to the people the utter -- to their lives if that's going to happen. >> they went big for trump, is he going to do something for them. is he going to do infrastructure
to put people to work. the chinese when they shutdown the minor, find a way to put guys to work who want to make real salaries. do you think trump is going to do that. >> those coal jobs are -- >> not the goal jobs, i'm talking about the guys for men can women who want to work hard. rebuilding our subwies and highway, is that going to happen? >> not the way he doing right now. he is doing one company by one company basis. that's doesn't deliver the kind of jobs we need. we need -- it's all they at tricks. a lot of over india they sl
better looking airports than we do. amtrak there's not a country that doesn't have a better state-of-the-art station and we're -- the fact of the matter is the fantasy infrastructure that's put on the table. >> why don't you democrats be democrats and create jobs? >> we have put on the table we pu public and private table, i don't think secretary of congress is going to let him do that. >> i think you need too get the word out hold rally and create jobs. thank you. i think you have running for president you have to get
elected first. gitmo bay. what do they tell us how they view the world and where he says inside information on the hacking. the last time we get to see joe biden doing something he does better than anybody as we swears in the new senate. we'll see some of that coming up. it's put up or shut up they are accountable now. if they kill obamacare, he own what's left. if we don't get a infrastructure bill, we'll now. "hardball" here. this is "hardball" a place politics. if you're taking prescription medications,
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totality one side trade. nice. in the past several weeks he tweeted opposition president obama's policy on israel. nuclear capability and of course, praise for vladimir putin. today chuck schumer criticized trump's twitter practices. >> to vladimir putin for ignoring arican sanctions is no foreign policy. we don't conduct foreign by tweet while spurting vital intelligence broefing that layout the emerging threats around the world that should alarm democrats and republicans alike. >> former share of the msnbc
what do we mean. welcome panel of analyst. i think the danger of tweeting there's no deliberation to it. >> it's a reactive medium. you can cause a reaction or you can react to something else. it's full exexposure number one. number two you cannot tell in you're serious -- >> it does not work in diplomacy with north korea. how can kim jong-un going to read that tweet. was this former position of the incoming u.s. administration it's trump falling off. >> let's go back into history.
we korean war they thought they were coming to get out thinking we were going to be strategic. we were going to take off give it back. they were not democrats, get the communist out of there. the older world seems to take our actions as strategic and thoughtful and deliberate. what makes of trump he gets up in the morning you know, i smell trouble so i'm going to blow the whistle on it it. >> the impussiveness of it is -- how they read it matters. folks in the white house are having an interesting time trying figure out, we get up at 4 or 5:00 in the morning, the
first thing we have to be concerned about is what did the president tweet. >> kellyanne conway gets up and goes to the morning shows today, she goes to give response for trump. we don't need this panel we're going to move ahead and cut her off a bit. the next thing trump is tweeting in the other direction. how do you coordinate this. >> she didn't know. she vamp. she didn't say much of anything because she couldn't say anything. she had no idea which way he was going to go. now we know which way he went. that's a terrible position to put someone in. the other thing about twitter because it's clipped imprecise nature it can be ambiguous.
trying to make sure everybody understand what i'm saying and what you're saying, that's -- >> the old day when you had report before we had western union and people speaking on that, the editor new what you meant. we doesn't know what these -- what's nice mean? >> what d you say to chinese, nice. screw you, it means. what do chinese -- what did he mean by nice. >> part of it for the chiensz and the north kor rens that he
tweeting about. when the president does tweet nice in response to something the chinese have done or said it goes to your point about how easy it would be for the white house to decode that. because you can't take it at face value because you don't know precisely what it it means. >> you talk about an industry if you will that's about precision. >> imagine being an ambassador where the chinese foreign minister calls you in and said what is this "nice". let's watch a recent commitment by the president-elect and decide if he is going to meet this within the next 24 hours. >> i know a lot about hacking and hacking is hard to prove so
it could be something else. i know things that other people don't know i. what do you know that other people doesn't know. >> you'll find out on tuesday or wednesday. >> i aed kellyanne conway about that statement. >> is that still a go what president knows about hacking? >> a key is that president-elect in addition to the comments he made, has agreed to have a intelligence briefing and will have that here at trump tower this week. >> what do you make about that? >> you may wie cut the rest the first two word was the -- that was the answer.
i don't know. >> if you go back to the clip he said he is going to have the briefing. >> he says he knows things. >> i think he is going to put it together in context. >> you're getting solve on me. coming up is joe by din doing -- he is unbelievable. you're going to watch joe biden here is he. this is "hardball" a place for politics. tom! name it tom! studies show that toms have the highest average earning potential over their professional lifetime. see? uh, it's a girl. congratulations! two of my girls are toms. i work for ally, finances are my thing. you know, i'm gonna go give birth real quick and then we'll talk, ok? nice baby.
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or shut up. in their march to power they made promises they will be forced to deliver on. there's little room for failure if they hope to satisfy their consequents and deliver on polled promises to restructure the tax code, job creation, rebuild a crumble infrastructure. has infused them in their hostility and disregard for the government. they must lead rather than ridicule. well said. as republicans did president obama. they are two separate questions. here is what schumer said in his first floor speech he gave today as democrat leader. >> mr. president it is not our job to be a rubber stamp.
it's our job to do what best for the american people and those struggling to get there. >> i wanted to start around the room here, doesn't trump andhe republican party that represents him whether they like it or not have to do big things if the next six months. our experience if a president doesn't get it done in the first session, before august, he ain't going to get it done. instra structure, replace obamacare, do things that meet the promises he made. >> all presidents have to deliver especially this president. when you look across the variables he performing 20% below obama, president bush. >> who do you mean? >> in terms of favor blt rating
and competence on foreign policy, the economy, trade was was the only -- >> so you believe polls. >> i don't -- >> you're point is he is not convincing the people now thae he is going to get something done. >> right. the question is what is the deliverable? is it populous agenda and bringing back jobs or is the deliverable the america agenda leadership reform that wasn't what this election was about. >> that's a jerry ford republican platform. >> we see him make moves towards that traditional republican tradition. >> what is that going to do? >> the wall in mexico.
>> y're kidding me. is he going to do something about illegal immigration? he going to ignore the issue he got elected on? >> he has suggested that the wall is not a big priority. >> what about illegal immigration? you would think it's supporters people who came out to support him, people are willing to forgive him. >> four year we have a illegal immigration like we had in 1976, if thae continues, i don't think so. >> in the democrats dna to do stuff and the republicans not to. that's why mcconnell was
successful -- picks for the cabinet it's incredibly establishment cabinet. trump is not an establishment player. he is going to be in line with bernie sanders than mitch mcconnell. >> bernie say redistribute wealth. >> trump is not for entitlement, trade is another one. the hill likes china, he likes russia and not china. it's going to be trump care soon. so trump is not going to go along in it's going if he is going to be edged way, do you remember dan rou stan cow ski, he doesn't want to be responsible for a failed health care program --
>> the crowds went after him and tried to turn over his car. >> i don't know that we know yet whether he is going to cave or work with the establishment because it depends on who he talks to last. the infrastructure is tax cut democrats are never going to go for that even so someone got in hisse h his ear. >> does he bloelieve that he ca ignore the issues he ran on. doing something being reproducing jobs in america, that pay good salaries those are the big three. that's was the perfect storm that got him elected.
failure to deal with immigration, and third, no jobs for anybody because of trade. i want an answer. does he believe he has to make good on the main three thrusts he got elected on? >> just answer the question. >> he is talking about the wall as a metaphor now. so he going to do something about it but it's not going to be that wall. >> is he going to have to say i delivered on my promises. >> i think gentlemyes, he will. if he doesn't, because he made all the promises, the republican party is in the process of realigning itself around the -- that is certainly one of the
things he is looking at. for a lot of the republicans that's -- >> i think he smart to leave social security alone and medicare alone. regular people are not like medicare. and they like social security. leave it alone. >> they are giving they. >> roundtable stick with us. this is "hardball," the place for politics. but every one of those businesses will need legal help as they age and grow. whether it be help starting your business, vendor contracts or employment agreements. legalzoom's network of attorneys can help you every step of the way so you can focus on what you do. we'll handle the legal stuff
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russia, especially after that warrant came out. >> i'm waiting for hillary to run for governor of new york. that's my prediction. they're not going out as losers. >> trump talked on 2 campaign trail about how he didn't need big donors, he specifically singled out the koch brothers, we thaubs at a dunderstand thato just before christmas, david koch, donald trump had a conversation and trump asked him why he and his brother didn't engage in the presidential campaign to help donald trump. >> so he wants the money. >> so in my lunch at mar-a-lago during my vacation -- >> aren't you an insider. >> -- trump just met with the heads of the mayo clinic, cleveland clinic and hopkinsnd his priority number four is to reform the v.a. and he'll be spending his first night sleeping in the lincoln bedroom. >> that's a scary bed, by the way. >> it is. >> it's an antique, and there are ghost there is.
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us about who's in charge. is it trump who blew the whistle on congress's plan to gut the office of congressional ethics or the media who blew the whistle late last night and earl will think morning. or was it the people getting their word tocongress, getting good and mad, that ty don't like the idea of congress giving top legislative priority in this new year from freeing themselves from outside ethical vigilance. i can't remember a time when people were as they are now -- so violently opposed to any sign of government corruption. the term "lobbyist" has become taboo so has any sign a member is engaged in breaking congress's ethical rules or trying to cover up such violations. it's about cleaning the swamp. the close working relationship among those who helped senators and members of congress raise reelection money and then return once they're safely in office to lobby those same senators and members of congress on behalf of their clients. by raising his voice in protest against the way things are in washington, the way they're usually done, donald trump has not only shown his ability to move the republican party but
also that he retains the instinct on how to move it. people in the country don't want to see politicians gets themselves free of tough outside oversight. they don't. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" starts right now. tonight on "all in." republicans back down from their first vote in the new congress. >> why is this the most important thing for congress to be focused on right now. >> it isn't. that's the whole thing, it's not. >> tonight, the emergency meeting republicans held to reverse their plan to curb ethics oversight. then, 17 days from inauguration, why the president-elect is attacking one american car maker and appla applauding another. plus, washington's top democrat draws a line in the san sa >> with all due respect, america cannot afford twitt