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the cost of health insurance without growing the size of government. and earlier president obama met with democrats on the hill about protecting his signature legislation. after that meeting senate minority leader chuck shum her this to say. >> we have a great deal of optimism that the good things that have happened in aca are going to stay. and that our republican colleagues don't quite know what to do. they're like the dog who caught the bus. they can repeal but have nothing to put in its place. that means so many good things go away. >> we have got all the angles of obamacare and the repeal fight covere we'll talk to a congressman who was in that meeting with president obama in just a moment. plus, we're on the ground in pennsylvania talking to trump voters about what an obamacare repeal could mean for them. also happening right now, members of the military holding a ceremony to say farewell to president obama before he leaves office. defense secretary ash carter just gave several awards to the
president. we'll hear from the president himself shortly there. and on the same day that trump will be sworn in as president, more than 1,000 gm workers although a plat a plant be losing their jobs. their shift is being eliminated. we'll talk to some of those workers in a little bit. let's begin on capitol hill. hans nichols is covering the latest developments on the battle to repeal obamacare. hans, what else did we hear from republicans about their repeal efforts today? what do we know? >> reporter: well, kate, we have a great deal of confidence from republicans, both in the house meeting and that senate meeting. and from the vice president-elect, mr. pence, that they think they can tag president barack obama for another couple months, maybe a little longer, with owning obamacare. the question no one knows is how much runway they have there. there's confidence on the republican side. whether or not that's actually backed by reality is a different question. the other line we're clearly getting is that they have to proceed in parallel tracks. that means repeal and replace, but not repeal without something in place.
listen to how paul ryan had to say it. >> we've been saying all along, we don't want to pull the rug out from people while we were replacing this law. the point is in 2017 we don't want people to be caught with nothing. we want to make sure there's an orderly transition so the rug is not pulled out from under the families who are currently struggling under obamacare while we bring relief. >> reporter: that's the latest on the house side. the senate side you saw mr. pence talking about the importance of making obama own obamacare and what that means in terms of the name, the verbiage. they want to continue to stick that with him. again, there are some differences between where republicans want to do on the hill and what the president-elect wants to do. we didn't get a whole lot on immigration. we didn't have a whole lot actually on infrastructure and transportation. kaishgts i wou kate, i would say one note. the president-elect will have a 90-minute inaugural march and then after that will start
signing executive actions. there's a caveat. that's not on the affordable care act. that's rolling back president obama's executive actions. >> i was going to ask you about that. there was some confusion about what the vice president-elect inside that room, about which executive orders come first, second, third. >> reporter: there's always a great deal of confusion when you're trying to report something from a closed-door meeting. the best i can tell, and we asked several lawmakers this directly, did vice president-elect pence say that he was specifically, mr. trump, going to take executive action on the affordable care act. by several lawmakers, they said, no. he was making the distinction between executive action on sort of your reviewing what the president has done throughout his presidency and then what they plan to do on the affordable care act. it's very clear, you're going to need a legislative fix. by legislative fix, i mean a long slough. a lot of reporters will be spending time in the capitol narrating this event. >> yourself included, i imagine. hans nichols up on capitol hill. it's a great place to work, though. i was there for a long time. thanks so much.
want to bring in msnbc's kathy hunt also covering capitol hill. she's kind of gotresident obama's visit covered. ka why did he make the trip down pennsylvania avenue? what's the strategy? >> reporter: hey, kate. president obama came up here. we're told he sounded a little forlorned he wasn't going to get the chance to be in the trenches in this fight to preserve what really is his signature achievement. this, of course, a president who we know maybe didn't have as natural a touch at governing, struggled sometimes, but really loved the campaign trail and getting down into the trenches of this kind of a fight for something that he really believes in. and, of course, you'll remember he came to washington on that wave of hope and change. he spent all his political capital on this health care law. democrats controlled the house and the senate at the time. and, of course, he controlled the white house. they pushed it through without republican support. for the last eight years, democrats have been paying a price for that.
they lost midterm elections in 2010 and 2014. and now they're facing a situation where the first priority of this incoming republican administration is to dismantle it. the president's message to democrats inside the room was, don't rescue republicans from the damage that they're going to do to this law. president obama urged them, and we're we've heard from leaders that this seems to be the plan, that they should stand by this idea that if obamacare is ripped away, there will be people who are damaged by that and that republicans will have to start to take responsibility for that instead of, right now, democrats basically owning how people feel about what's going on with their health care. whether it's due to the affordable care act or not. so, that's the bet democrats are making. of course, it's easier for republicans to repeal obamacare, to take those bottom pieces out of the jenga puzzle, watch the markets collapse, than it is for
them to put it back together. that's why you're hearing democrats talk so much today about what is the republican plan to replace the affordable care act. they say they want to repeal and replace it. mike pence was just talking to reporters a few minutes ago after a meeting with senator mitch mcconnell. he says that the policies themselves are going to be rolled out over the next koufl weeks, but the process is already starting here on capitol hill. exactly what that looks like is a very, very difficult puzzle for republicans. fiscally this health care law is built in a very careful way. you take away the unpopular parts of the law, like the mandate for health insurance. it makes the parts that people really like, the protection for pre-existing conditions, makes it all collapse. kate? >> i like that jenga puzzle analogy. i was playing jenga over the holidays. >> reporter: it's a great game. >> for more i want to bring in democratic congressman joe crowley from new york. he was in that meeting. all that video we are playing
has you prominently featured walking down the hallway next to president obama. it's my understanding you invited him to come up to capitol hill today. you introduced him when he got there. give us the atmospherics. if we could have been in that room and witnessed it ourselves, what would we have felt and heard? >> kate, i wasn't really aware of the historic nature of the visit myself for the outgoing president to come visit our caucus and to say farewell to us and to give us advice and thoughts as he exits, but i think what this is about is an opportunity for the president to say thank you to us. we've been partners over these last eight years, to help bring about change, positive change, for the american people on a myriad of issues he talked about, including the affordable care act. and things we still need to fight for like civil rights, ensuring immigrants are properly early cared for in this country, and a myriad of issues, like big banks don't get back the power they had before to really sleight main street. so, it was really remarkable to have him there and to hear his
advice and be pumped up by him as well. >> pumped up, so there was an energy there? >> there was certainly an energy. a lot of yes, we cans, yes, we dids. and, you know, fired up and ready to go. so, in terms of understanding what's ahead of us sxbing ready for that. >> let's talk obamacare for a second because obviously that is one of the first things, at least, on the republican agenda. look, republicans have the votes to strip some of this stuff, to basically dismantle, as kasie was just reporting, some of obamacare. they campaigned on doing this. they're going to try. how on earth do you stop them or do you even try? >> well, look, they've always been looking for political leverage on this issue. i think sometimes when you campaign on something, it may not be why the people voted for you. i think this may be one of those issues. i think the american people think obamacare is popular. it's positive. and so, i think their big -- if
i were them giving advice, be careful where you tread. once you make a move on this, you then own it. we have done all we can and we will continue to do what we can to defend this and protect it. but once they move on it, they will own it. if they simply repeal, like go to repealing, they've done 60-plus times, without replacing, and once one person who now has affordable and quality health insurance loses it, it's on their backs, on the republican backs and no longer on democratic backs. >> i'm not surprised to hear you say that it's on them because that has been a theme today. not just from your party, democrats saying the republicans are going to own,utou saw the tweets earlier today from donald trump, where he brought up who's going to own it as well. he said, republicans must be careful in that the dems own the failed obamacare disaster with its poor coverage and massive premium increases, like the 116% hike in arizona. also deductibles are so high that it's practically useless. don't let the schumer clowns out of this web. massive increases of obamacare
will take place this year and dems are to blame for the mess. aren't you democrats also treading on thin ice here? i mean, you could be blamed if you don't help fix it or help replace it with something. >> quite frankly, kate, over the last six or so years they controlled both the house and the senate. they've never taken an opportunity once to try to help improve what was a good law and make it a better law. help make health care better in the united states. they never tried to do that. what they did do is have 60-plus times to repeal the entire act. never offering a suggestion of how to replace it or how to fix it. you know, that doesn't sound like legislating to mean. so, if they're going to whine and complain about it now that they have control of the house, the senate and the presidency, boo hao. boo hoo. we really feel bad for you all. >> americans are going to get caught in the middle. those with health care plans might be impacted, even if we have employer health care plans, certainly people who have
obamacare will be directly impacted. i wonder about the politics here. moving forward, how do democrats handle this if it's going to -- it's going to upset the apple cart for a lot of people? >> i can tell you that this weekend and weekends to come, we're going to be taking action. we'll be holding events in our districts, talking to our constituents, talking about what will happen when -- when they do repeal obamacare. what will happen in republican districts to people across this country who now have affordable and quality health care. 20 million people, when they lose that opportunity, what this means, not only for them but for the entire country. it will be all on republican hands. we have no legislative power at this point. republicans controlled by the house, the senate and the presidency. what we can do now is play defense. we'll be able to sit first in that action. we'll defend what we have created, what we helped create and what we think is in the best interest of the american people. >> democratic congressman joe crowley from new york. great to see you. thanks so much. >> thanks, kate same to you.
we have breaking news to get to on the trump transition. i want to get back to nbc's hans nichols on capitol hill. what do we know? >> reporter: we know dan coates, outgoing senator from indiana, former ambassador to germany, is the leading candidate to lead the office, the distriburector national intelligence, the dni job. we reached out to senator coates. he's leaving office here from indiana. have not heard back from him. you know, this is the job that is currently held by james clapper. the important thing about this job, it's a management job. you are overseeing 13 different intelligence agencies. you're a member of the cabinet. the cia director reports to you and you really need to assess the intelligence and present that clearly to the president. to give you a sense of the stakes of this, on friday we expect james clapper, the current odni head, to be one of the people briefing president-elect trump on the russian intelligence. mr. coats could have a challenge ahead of him if he is, indeed,
nominated, indeed senate confirmed. he'll have a challenge ahead of him navigating both mr. trump's politics on intelligence and making sure the intelligence agencies that report back up to him have his confidence and that they know he is going to be their advocate. kate? >> that's one way of putting it. it's been -- how do i say? kind of a contentious week with donald trump tweeting constantly about intelligence officials and intelligence, you know, workers, people who do this for a living. not real happy with him right now. >> reporter: and importantly, vice president-elect pence at that meeting today on the house side almost seemed to give mr. trump a little pass suggesting, well, intelligence officials have been wrong on certain issues. in the past, it's been pence who has tamped down some of the anti-intel official rhetoric we've seen from the president-elect. one thing about mr. coats, though, he is very well respected. he was an ambassador to germany earlier in the bush administration. long-time indiana political family, then came back to the senate. was in the senate, i believe,
for about another -- at least another term. and then his term, of course, was the one that evan bayh tried to take back but then todd young in somewhat of a surprise victory won that seat. so, republicans won't be losing a seat because of this. they get what, by all accounts, is a seasoned senior statesman in senator coats. kate? >> hans nichols with break news on capitol hill. thanks so much. let's turn back now to the democrats and coming off that interview that i just did a moment ago with representative joe crowley. i want to bring in fill up rutgers, national political correspondent for "the washington post." it struck me that he was talking about how democrats are going to play this with the affordable care act and i asked him, you know, don't americans kind of get caught in the middle of the politics here? what's your assessment of what democrats can do and what they need to be careful of moving forward? >> yeah, it's a great point you just made because there's not a lot they can do legislatively in the congress. they have minorities in both
chambers. what they're left with here is a political public relations war. it's like a campaign all over again. and we're going to see it intensify in the coming days leading up to the inauguration and weeks that follow. democrats are going to be out in the country and in washington, too, trying to make the case that there's a lot to be lost by changing the affordable care act and that it's the republicans' fault. it's sort of a blame game we see going on here. and it's really politics, a pr fight. >> what exactly so many trump voters said they voted on. they don't like the politics. they want to drain the swamp. you reported yesterday the dnc is creating kind of a war room. tell us about this. >> this is say typical function for a political party but the dnc is in mruction, they have an interim chair, donna brazile, but immediately standing up a war room. they hired a number of operat e operativ operatives, some from the clinton campaign, to staff this effort to take it to trump.
they'll be fighting the affordable care act and also trying to shine a spotlight on the russian hacking situation and the intelligence issues and just really try to be a foil for trump at every turn and hold him accountable for things. it's the same kind of posture we saw republicans take with president obama these last eight years. the democrats are out of power and they're going to resort to political campaign tactics to try to win the day on these issues. >> phillip rutgers with the washington post. great to have you with us. we'll be speaking with a republican congressman later in the show. up next, military honors for the commander in chief. you're looking at live pictures right now. that's defense secretary ash carter speaking in arlington, virginia. the armed forces are honoring president obama today as his final term in office winds down. we'll bring you the president's comments ahead live. jack be nimble, jack be quick, jack knocked over a candlestick onto the shag carpeting... ...and his pants ignited into flames, causing him to stop, drop and roll.
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happening right now in arlington, virginia, all branches of the armed forces giving a military-style fra fraertwol their commander in chief, barack obama. it including marches troops, a live band, a 21-gun salute. defense secretary ash carter, who's speaking right now, joint chiefs of staff chairman general joseph dunford are hoeing the event. joe biden is there as well. joining me now colonel jack jacobs. happy new year. i don't think i've seen you since the new year. >> no, no. just briefly in the hallway.
happy new year to you. >> we've seen a lot of great imagery over the last half hour. talk about the importance of this ceremony. it's right at the end of obama's term. >> yeah, but it doesn't always happen. in the past, presidents have had farewells from the troops but they haven't been this staged or alternately the president has gone to a military installation that had a lot of troops on a parade field where they passed and review. this is held inside. it's only with the old guard and marines from eighth and i street, the honor guard. it's a very closed event and a closed atmosphere. >> let's pause and listen as the president delivers his remarks. >> thank you. thank you. please be seated. well, good afternoon. turns out these are easier when you're talking about somebody else. in moments like, this i think of
all the times that i've stood before our men and women in uniform. commissioning our newest officers, presiding over promotio promotions, presenting the commander in chief's trophy to the best football team in the military. i will let you argue over that one. i have never taken sides. secretary carter, i could not be more grateful for your gracious words, but more importantly, for your outstanding leadership, across, as you noted, more than three decades and nearly all of my presidency. you have always given me, ash, your best strategic counsel. you've made sure that we were investing in innovation for the long term and the strong force for the future.
as a physicist, ash is also one of the few people who actually understands how our defense systems work. and i know that our troops and their families are immensely grateful for the compassion that you and stephanie have shown them over the years. so, to you and your family, on behalf of all of us, thank you for your outstanding service. [ applause ] >> general dunford, would you have relied on you as commandant of marine corps, our commander in afghanistan and now as our nation's highest ranking military officer. i thank you and general selva and the entire joint chiefs for the unvarnished military advice you've always provided to me, for your dedication, for your
professionalism, for your integrity. because of you, because of this team, our armed forces are more integrated and better prepared across domains. a truly joint force. which is why, as a white sox fan i can overlook the fan that you love the red sox. moreover on a personal note, outside of your professional qualities, you are a good man. and i'm grateful to have worked with you. and thank ellen for allowing me to do this. [ applause ] >> to members of congress, vice president biden, who along with jill, has known the love and the pride and the sacrifice of a
military family. to deputy secretary work, service secretaries, distinguished guests, dedicated civilians from across the defense department, my national security team, most of all, our men and women in uniform, i thank you for this honor and for the warmth and respect you've always shown me, the support you've shown michelle and our daughters during these past eight years. and so, although i recognize that the for mformalities requie me listening to praiseirected in large part to me, i wanto turn the tables. i am ill commander in chief. so, i get to do what i want to do, and i want to thank you. of all the privileges of this
office, and there are many, i will miss air force one, i will miss marine one, but i can stand before you today and say that there has been no greater privilege and no greater honor than serving as the commander in chief of the greatest military in the history of the world. [ applause ] >> when i took office, i noted that presidents, and those of you in uniform, swear a similar oath. to protect and defend this country and the constitution that we cherish. and by stepping forward and volunteering, by raising your right hand and taking that oath, each of you made a solemn pledge. you committed yourselves to a life of service and of
sacrifice. and i, in turn, made a promise to you, which to the best of my abilities i've tried to uphold every single day since. that i would only send you into harm's way when it was absolutely necessary, with a strategy and well-defined goals, with the equipment and the support that you needed to get the job done. because that's what you rightfully expect and that is what you rightfully deserve. i made that pledge at a time when less than 1% of americans wear the uniform. fewer americans know someone who serves. and as a result, a lot of americans don't see the sacrifices you make on our behalf. but as commander in chief, i do. i've seen it when i look in the eyes of young cadets, knowing that my decisions could very well send them into harm's way.
i've seen it when i've visited the field, in bagram, in baghdad, far from your families, risking your lives so that we can live ours safely and in freedom. and so you've inspired me. and i've been humbled by you consistently. and i want every american to know what i know, through years after year after year of continuous military operations, you have earned your place among the greatest generations. the list of accomplishments that joe and ash so generously mentioned, they're because of you. it's what i tell my staff. i'm the front man. but you're the ones doing the work.
because of you our alliances are stroer stronger, from europe to the asia-pacific. because of you we surged in afghanistan, trained afghan forces to defend their country, while bringing most of our troops home. today our forces serve there on a more limited mission because we must never again allow afghanistan to be used for a safe haven in attacks against our nation. it's because of you, particularly our remarkable special forces, that the core al qaeda leadership that attacked us on 9/11 has been decimated. countless terrorist leaders, including osama bin laden, are gone. from south asia to africa, we have forged partnerships to go after terrorists that threaten us. because of you, we are leading
the global coalition against isil. these terrorists have lost about half of their territory. they are leading their leaders, towns and cities are being liberated. and i have no doubt, this barbaric terrorist group will be destroyed, because of you. you've shown that when it comes to fighting terrorism, we can be strong and we can be smart. not by letting our forces get dragged into sk terectarian cons and civil war, but with smart, strong, sustainable principled partnerships. that's how we brought most of our troops home from nearly 180,000 troops in iraq and afghanistan down to 15,000 today. that's how even as we've suffered terrible attacks here at home, from boston to orlando. no foreign terrorist organization has successfully planned and executed an attack on our homeland these past eight
years. because of you, the world has seen the awesome reach of american armed forces. and some of the first few weeks of my job, when somali pirates took captain phillips, later on when they kidnapped jessica buchanan, it was you that went in and you that risked everything. and you that brought these americans home to their families. the world has seen your compassion to help you deliver in times of crisis from an earthquake in haiti to the tsunami in japan. think of ebola and the countless lives this armed forces saved. in west africa.
it was you that set up the architecture and set the example for the world's response. one woman in west africa said, we thanked god first and then we thanked america second for caring about us. that's the difference you make. you continue to make in the lives of people around the world. as you know well, with service comes great sacrifice. and under 15 years of war, our wounded warriors bear the scars, both seen and unseen. in my visits to their bedsides and rehab centers, i have been in awe, watching a wounded warrior grab his walker and pull himself up and through excruciating pain, take a step and then another. or hearing troops describe how they gram with post-traumatic stress but summon the strength
to ask for help. as a military and as a nation, we have to keep supporting our resilient and incredibly strong wounded warriors as they learn to walk and run and heal. as they find new ways to keep serving our nation, they need to know that we still need your incredible talents. you've given so much to america and i know you have more to give. and then you have not seen the depths of true love and true patriotism until you've been to dover. when our troops receive our fallen heroes on their final journey home. until you have grieved with our gold star families who have given a piece of their heart to
our nation, a son or a daughter, a father or mother, a husband or wife. a brother or a sister. every one a patriot. every single one of these american families deserves the everlasting gratitude and support of our entire nation. today after two major ground wars, our armed forces have drawn down. that is natural and that is necessary. after reckless budget cuts of sequester, we need to keep improving the readiness and the training and modernizing our forces. so, let me take this opportunity while i still have it to appeal to our friends from congress who are here. we cannot go back to sequestration.
there's a responsible way forward, investing in america's strengths, our national security and our economic security. investing in the reform and the equipment and the support our troops need, including the pay and the benefits and the quality of life and the education and the jobs that our troops and our veterans and all of your families deserve. make no mistake, even with the challenges of recent years, and there have been challenges, our allies and adversaries alike understand, america's military remains by far the most capable fighting force on the face of the earth. our army, tested by years of combat, is the best trained and best equipped force on the planet. our navy is the largest and most lethal in the world, on track to
surpass 300 ships. our air force, with its precision and reach is unmatched. our marine corps is the world's only truly expeditionary force. our coast guard is the finest in the world. and we're also the best because this military has come to welcome the talents of more of our fellow americans. service members can now serve the country they love without hiding who they are or who they love. all combat positions in our military are now open to women. and joe bideen an and i know wo are at least as strong as men. we're stronger for it. that's one of the reasons our military stands apart as the most respected institution in
our nation by a mile. the american people -- [ applause ] >> the american people look up to you and your devotion to duty and your integrity and honor and commitment to each other. one of my proudest achievements is that i have been able to, i think, communicate through the constant partisan haze, along with so many others how special this institution is. and the esteem in which our military is held, has held steady and constant and high throughout my presidency. and i'm very grateful for that.
because you remind us that we are unid as one team. at times of division, you've shown what it means to pull together. so my days as your commander in chief are coming to an end and as i reflect on the challenges we have faced together and on those to come, i believe that one of the greatest tasks before our armed forces is to retain the high confidence that the american people rightly place in you. this is a responsibility not simply for those of you in uniform, but for those who lead you. it's the responsibility of our entire nation. and so, we are called to remember core principles. that we must never hesitate to act when necessary to defend our nation, but we must also never rush into war becse sending
you into harm's way should be a last and not first resort. it should be compelled by the needs of our security and not our politics. with need to remember we must not give into the false illusion of isolationism because in this dangerous times, oceans alone will not protects and the world still seeks and needs our leadership as the one in this indispensable nation. we have to remember our military must be prepared for the full spectrum of threats, conventional and unconventional. from 20th century style aggression to 21st century cyber threats. and when we do go to war, we have to hold ourselves to high standards. and do everything in on yur pow
to prevent the loss of innocent life because that's what we stand for. that's what we should stand for. we have to remember that as we meet the threats of our times, we cannot sacrifice our values or our way of life. the rule of law and openness and tolerance that defines us as america. that is our greatest strength and makes us a beacon to the world. we cannot sacrifice the very freedoms we're fighting for. and finally, in our democracy, the continued strength of our all-volunteer force also rests on something else. a strong bond of respect and trust between those in uniform and the citizens that you protect and defend. at a time when too few americans trulunderstand the realities or sacrifices of military service.
at a time when many political leaders have not served. if some in the military begin to feel as though somehow they are apart from the larger society they serve, those bonds can fray. as every generation learns anew, freedom is not free. and so while less than 1% of americans may be fighting our wars, 100% of americans can do their parts, at the very least, to support you and your families. everybody can do something. every business, every profession, every skooshlgs every community, every state, to reach out, to give back and to let you know we care, to help make the lives of our troops and your families just a little bit easier, everybody can do something. and that's why michelle and joe
biden have mobilized more americans to honor and support you and your families through joining forces. and that's why even after we leave the white house, michelle and i intend to keep on looking for ways to keep rally our fellow citizens to be there for you, just like you've always been there for us. so, we can't say it enough and we can't show it enough. thank you for your patriotism. thank you for your professionalism. thank you for your character. in representing the very best of the american spirit. our nation endures. we live free under the red, white and blue because of patriots like you. it has been a privilege of a lifetime to serve with you. i have learned much from you.
i'm a better man having worked with you. i'm confident that the united states and our armed forces will remain the greatest force for freedom and security that the world has ever known. god bless you and your families and god bless the united states of america. [ applause ] >> president obama with a reflective, at times emotional address, a sort of farewell address to the branches of the milita. a ceremony to honor and thank the president that he turned the tables and said he wanted to thank everyone in the room. colonel jack jacobs remains with me. that was something. i thought i saw a tear at one point in the corner of his eye. this means a lot to him. >> yeah, it's the -- it should mean a lot to him. the military has carried the can
for the united states, certainly for the last 13 or 15 years and during the entiretive his presidency. but i think sometimes you don't realize that the end is in sight until an event like this and you do realize that it's just two weeks to go. and i think that his -- his reliance on the military establishment to keep the country free, i think that did affect him. that's why you see the emotion you did. >> he said at one point, one of my proudest achievements i've been able to communicate through the constant partisan haze how special this institution is. and he praised every aspect of the military. at the end asking every american to support the military, even if only 1% or less serve in the military forces. what did you make of -- it wasn't quite a catalog of his success, but there was a little bit of talk about his legacy there. >> yeah, there was.
and i think the -- that he left it up to both biden and carter to talk specifically about the majority of the accomplishments of the military had in the national security sphere during the last eight years. he paid attention, the president did, to a couple of things of some interest. the things, i guess, which meant the most to him. humanitarian work in west africa, getting osama bin laden. that was the very first thing he mentioned. of course, was the singular military achievement that he had during his presidency. he didn't talk necessarily about the drawdown. he said at the beginning of his presidency that we would be out of iraq and, by and large, out offing off as well. as you know, we're not. he made it a point himself of saying, though we've drawn down from 115,000 or so to 15,000, we still have 15,000 in iraq, so we
have a significant presence still in the region. he did focus significantly on the way in which we're fighting our wars. that is, using special forces and special operations forces rather than conventional units. we do know that going forward, that's exactly the way we're going to have to fight with special forces and special operations forces, kate. >> as we watch the troops now march in review, colonel jack jacobs thank you for being with us on an interesting day. still to come, cal perry sits down with trump voters who are weighing in on the battle over obamacare now that repealing the affordable care act is potentially a reality. what are they saying now? with directv and at&t, stream live tv anywhere data-free. join directv today starting at $35/month. no extra monthly fees. ♪
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e. opposition to obamacare helped propel donald trump to victory. a lot of formerly blue states. than includes pennsylvania when you remember went red for the first time in 28 years. primarily because of places like adams county where trump beat hillary clinton by more than two to one margin. that is where msnbc's cal perry has traveled to. and cal, we're really interested in this question what have they think about the idea of repealing obamacare now. >> reporter: yeah, you know, most people here pro-trump, this was a pro-trump area. we saw romney do well here four years ago and trump do even better. we've been talking about premiums, how they are arising. we've been talking about medicare and medicaid. but the overall tickaway for me has been the support that trump
has found on this issue, on flogging obamacare as sort of an example of how federal government is letting people down. take a listen to ryan fox for example who talks about how this issue in particular propelled him to vote for donald trump. >> certainly solidified my position because the hope is something will be done, not just for us, but -- more obligation for our country to provide health insurance that's affordable. we have to protect people with preexisting conditions, children, elderly. now we've got to figure out how to fix the ground work that's in place to make it truly affordable. >> reporter: now listen, you have medicare, which is going to look after people over 65. that age should be lored which will help save the federal government money. you have medicaid, just looking at people who fall through the cracks or make below the poverty line, but for here in southern pennsylvania, it's the economy. it always has been the economy. and that's what people have been telling us. and this was, this part of pennsylvania was a major stop not only along donald trump's sort of campaign route, but it
was stops on his sort of thank you tour. we saw that in hershey, pennsylvania, and this issue, obamacare, and pinning it to the democrats is playing big here, kate. >> all right, and nobody's worried, cal, about what replaces obamacare eventually? >> reporter: you know what, honestly, people are not thinking that far ahead. they view and they equate obamacare going away as a victory for the republican party and as a reinforcement of why they voted trump. >> let's talk about what could happen on capitol hill. i want to bring in chris stewart of utah. congressman, nice to see you. i know we kept you waiting while the president was speaking, thanks for your patience. >> happy to be with you. >> let's talk about obamacare. obviously republicans have the votes to repeal, at least many parts of it. what about replacement? what are you thinking when it comes to -- what comes next? >> well, that really is the key. and i can tell you having talked to hundreds of people back home and frankly many, many people around the country, obamacare
has hurt people. it's hurt working families, but it's not enough for us to just say okay, let's make obamacare go away. we really do have an obligation to assure people that we're not going to take insurance away from people. especially people with preexisting conditions, for example. that's a terrifying thought for families. if you have preexisting conditions in your home, and you wonder, am i going to be able to get insurance. another thing we're going to preserve, which frankly was a republican idea to begin with, and that's the idea of keeping children on their parents health insurance until they're 26. there's some bipartisan agreement that i think we're going to find after that, it may be a little more difficult, but things we can do. allowing to be able to buy health insurance across state lines. decreasing the use, i was a small business owner and i tried to get my employees to look at that. i think that's an idea whose time has come we can assure the american people who are not going to leave them with no options. >> as you know, your opposition is saying that once you take one
piece of this apart. you could create chaos in the markets and the insurance marketplace if you disrupt what's happening right now with the ekts changes. what do you say to that? are you worried that you create chaos in the interim? >> it's the last thing we to want have happen. we've already experienced what chaos is like, haven't we? over the last few years, as this plan was implemented and not very well. and we really want to avoid that. and one of the ways we do that is to do it in a measured approach. like i said, we don't come out on february 2nd and say well all of this is just gone. we need a couple of years, and we recognize that we need a couple years to in phases, bring on the new plan. and show the american people, this is how it's going to help you. show working families, this is how this is going to give you more options. more choices. and i think once we're able to do that, the american people are going to say thank you. thank you for helping us with this. >> so let me ask you though just in terms of how you do it all. the freedom caucus.
the house freedom caucus. there's reporting that they're insisting on the timeline. threatening to vote against any replacement if it's not guaranteed before the midterm elections in 2018. so, they want a replacement plan before those midterms. there are 40 members in that caucus. are you worried at all about kind of how you get this all done if you don't have the support of all your members? >> well, i don't know if i'm worried, but we obviously want to be careful and we want to be thoughtful about this. and there are members of freedom caucus and frankly others, including myself, that look at this and go is a two-year time period appropriate. do we need more time than that? i think we'll figure that out though, i really do. i don't think this plan falls apart at all because some people want a two-year and others prefer a three year. i'm certainly we're going to find an answer that satisfies both and once again, primarily that helps the american people. >> can i play a quick clip if i
may of chuck schumer earlier today. i want to get your response to this. >> okay. >> republicans are plotting and soon will be executing a full scale assault on the three pillars that support the american health care system. the affordable care act, medicare, and medicaid. the republican plan to cut health care wouldn't make america great again, it would make america sick again. and lead to chaos instead of affordable care. >> that's the argument they've been making all day. your reaction? >> well, with respect to the senator, it's just not true. we have no plans at all to decimate medicaid or medmedicar we simply do. we do because we promised the american people that we are going to repeal obamacare. we have an obligation to do that, we promise them we would. but as long as we give them a better option, which we're going to be able to do, then they're going to reward us for that. and we're going to do it in a
way this isn't chaotic and they'll be appreciative. the senator is trying to make this very political. he wants to stir up emotions. use these kind of words and it frightens people and i wish that he wouldn't because we don't to want frighten the american people. we want to assure them right now. >> congressman chris stewart, republican of utah, nice to have you with us. thank you so much. on the same day that trump will be sworn in as president, more than 1,000 general motors workers in ohio are going to work their final shift. the company is limiting their jobs, saying there is not enough demand for the cars assembled at the plant where they work. the announcement came the day after the november election, nbc's ron mott is talking to workers in warren, ohio, what are you hearing? >> reporter: hey there kate, well this is trump country. at least this particular election cycle. that is not a traditional voting block for republicans here. just about every local and statewide race in drumable, county, went to democrats at the
top of the ticket, republican. you can see back here on this billboard, they built the chevrolet cruise here and donald trump took a shot at general motors yesterday for building the hatchback version down in mexico. he says build a car in the u.s. or pay a hefty tax. today we spoke to the workers, both had seniority, they will not lose their jobs on january 20th, but they want to hold donald trump to his campaign promise of bringing jobs and restoring jobs and keeping jobs right here in america. here's just a sample. >> i would hope donald trump would come here also and i would love to shake his hand for even getting involved because it's been a long time. that we really haven't had a lot of help. >> simply because of his message. we want to make sure that he pulls through on this message delpis this area. the rust belt is what put him in office. and we're going to hold him to
that. >> reporter: now barack obama got a lot of credit for oofbl saving the auto industry in america as we know it. during the bailout in 2007, '08, '09, these folks decided that this particular election cycle was about jobs, they read the message donald trump put out there. resinated with workers and voters and elsewhere in ohio, and people in the rust belt are going to hold him to it going forward. >> so, 16 days to go, ron, would you sigh the mood is optimistic? do you think he'll come through or are they weary? >> reporter: i think they are optimistic about what he's been saying all along about this long campaign about jobs and american jobs first. and yesterday, if you interpret his tweet, he could be sort of saying to general motors, why don't you shudder that plant and bring that line -- that hatchback model to this particular facility? just to give you a sense of the scale here. they used to have 50 some odd thousand workers here kate. it is down to 4,500 and that
number is going to dwindle further when donald trump raises his right hand and sworn in as the 45th president of the united states. they want to see him here and as one person said, not on twitter. come to warren, ohio. >> well there you go. and that does look like a lot of empty asphalt behind you. thanks so much. appreciate it. that's going wrap up this hour for me. i'll see you back here tomorrow afternoon as usual, 3:00 eastern, noon pacific. and find me on snapchat, twitter, instagram. i am tv kate snow. steve kornacki picks up our coverage right now. hi steve. >> thanks for that. good afternoon, i'm steve kornacki live here in new york, 16 days away from donald trump's swearing in as president. topping our agenda, their top priority. >> the first order of business is to repeal and replace obamacare. and that was our message today and it'll be our message on capitol hill. >> vice president-elect mike pence on capitol hill today reiterating the