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sam nunn and senator and secretary bill cohen for their distinguished service and eloquent words this morning. general mattis began his long and distinguished career and -- >> the 10 a.m. hour has arrived here in the east and i'm use a respectful gulf whisper. we're going to just dip out of the mattis confirmation hearing as senator reed from rhode island speaks before we hear from general mattis. to set the scene and show you what else is happening on the hill. we do have these two other important confirmation hearings. on the left, the future hoped for cia director congressman pompeiiio, his hearing in front of senate intelligence and on the right, dr. ben carson, who has been put up for housing and
urban development. you see senators from both committees taking their positions. we just wanted to set the scene. we have kelly o'donnell standing by again, as she said an hour ago, her usual position in the hallway outside the hearing room. kelly? >> brian, i've been drifting between where dr. hearing's is and behind us is the building where the cia director designate's hearing is going on. at a time where the intelligence community could not be more at the center of the national conversation, this congressman who has been a part of the intelligence community from the elected official side, he has been read in on what the i.c. has been doing over the years through his role as a member of congress. he was also on the benghazi committee and that for conservatives is something that is considered a check. for those who are democrats and concerned about how that all went down, that is an area of concern. so expect democrats to press him
on things like that. also, the ability to work with this new president. he does not have a long relationship with donald trump and we have seen how the president-elect has at times been complementary and critical and raising questions and doubts about the trustworthiness of the intelligence community, although he also said very directly at his press conference yesterday that he does trust them. but then as we have seen him do would make other comments, even invoking the sort of world war ii era idea over frustration over leaks. and james clapper put out a state to smooth out the reports that were opposition research over time. so part of that will also be on the morale of the men and women who serve secretly, quietly with very little attention for their
successes and plentyf negative attention for their failures in the intelligence community. it is a huge task. he is well known here on capitol hill, but it will be interesting to see how democrats approach the questioning. republican feel good about him as a choice and also to work with the expected choice for the director of intelligence, recently retired senator from indiana, indiana key mike pence indiana, dan coates and they have to build a new level of trust with a new administration, a turning of the page. it will be very important for mike pompeo to answer for those issues. >> this is the intelligence committee. a brief health update. we were looking at members of the committee. and there was senator feinstein. she i think less than 48 hours
ago had a heart pacemaker put in. she is looking fit and ready for this hearing. and there at the bottom of your screen, the kansas republican senator and one-time nominee of the republican party bob dole. we're happy to say he, who has been fighting ill health on and off for months and years, is looking very well today and got to his seat under his own power. so we're happy to see that. you see there mark warner, the vice chair of the committee and he was talking with senator feinstein earlier. also california's newest senator kamela harris and as part of this committee, they're about to get under way. we can see the introductory remarks will be beginning shortly. but as kelly appropriatel reported, a lot of activity today in the senate, as you see
congressman pompeo getting ready to begin. the ben carson hearing on the right for housing and urban development. on the left, the pompeo hearing and we go back to the general mattis confirmation hearing. senator jack reed of rhode island, the ranking member, the democrat we must add because it's armed services, a west point graduate, u.s. military academy west point and then we will be hearing from the veteran four-star marine general, now retired james mattis. >> and the defense investments that have been made for platforms and equipment are in jeopardy. in addition, we must be aware that simply adding additional funding or increasing defense spending at the expense of other government agencies creates other problems and is not an effective long-term solution.
one of your first task of the enough administration will be to submit a fiscal year 2018 budget that addresses these issues and goes to the point the chairman made of repealing the budget control act. general mattis, if confirmed you will be grappling with many extraordinary difficult issues. earlier this week this committee held a hearing on civilian control of the armed forces, which was illuminating and instructive. i hope you will candidly share with the committee this morning the actions you will take to ensure your tenure reflects and protects the principle of civilian control of the military if you are confirmed. when he assumes office, president trump will become commander chief of our armed forces. i continue to hope the gravity of the office of the president and the magnitude of challenges
our country faces will lead him to be more conscientious and thoughtful in his comments. he has made statements involving north korea and most troubling have been comments praising russia. they believe you will be the saucer that cools the coffee. i look forward to hearing how you intend to manage your relationship with the department of defense. i thank you for the committee's careful process and i look forward to hearing from the nominee. >> there are standard questions we are required to ask. i would go through those very quickly and point out in order
to exercise its legitimaslative mandate -- >> will i ensure your staff complies with deadlines established for requests of communications including questions for the record and hearing? >> i will. >> will you cooperate in providing witnesseses? >> yes. >> will those witnesses beprire? >> i -- yes. >> have you assumed any duties or undertaken any actions which
would presume to impede the confirmation process? >> i have not. >> welcome before the committee, general mattis. >> thank you, it's an honor to come before you as the president elect's nominee for the position of secretary of defense. i permit my written statement be accepted for the record. >> without objection. >> i want to thank all of you for taking time to see me during my courtesy calls and i thank up for your willingness to consider my nomination. i have testified previously in front of this committee and i've always held it in the highest regard. and based on my past years' experience, i do trust this committee and each member of it and if confirmed, i will demonstrate that trust. i wish to thank former senator william cohen for so kindly introducing me this morning and equally grateful to senator sam nunn for his strong support.
it is humbling for being considered for this position. i thank the prent-elect for putting trust and confidence in me. i was enjoying a full life prior to this nomination, i was not involved in the presidential campaign and was not seeking or envisioning a position in any new administration. that said it, would be the highest honor if i am confirmed to lead those who volunteer to support and defend the constitution and the people. it is only with the advice and consent of the senate that i can be confirmed. i know the senators of this committee are well aware of the many global security challenges we face. we see each day a world awash in change. our country is still at war in afghanistan and our troops are fighting against isis and other terrorist groups in the middle east and elsewhere. russia is raising grave concerns on several fronts and china is
shredding trust along its periphery. increasingly we see islands of stability in our hemisphere, democracies here in europe and in asia under attack. our armed forces in this world must remain the best led, the best equipped and the most lethal in the world. these demanding times require us to put together a strong national security team here in washington. if confirmed i will lead the department of defense and be a forthright member of that team. i will need to be the strongest national advocate for military personnel and their families. i will foster an atmosphere of harmony and trust at the department with the interagency
unter tments and collect committees. i will work to make sure our strategy and military calculus are employed to reinforce security. in addition to ensuring collaboration across government and the adoption of an integrated strategy, we must also embrace our international alliances and security partnerships. history is clear nations with strong allies thrive and those without them wither. if you confirm me, my watch words will be solvency and security in providing for the protection of our people and the survival of our freedoms. my priority as secretary of defense will be strengthen military readiness, strengthen our alliances and bring business reforms to the department of defense. our military is the envy of the world recognizing america's awesome determination to defend
herself. i will endeavor to keep our unique, all-volunteer force second to none. we open our door to all patriots eligible to meet the standards, provide them with the training essential to their success and ensure all service michael phelps are treat-- members are with dignity and defense. civil-controlled military is a fundamental tenet of the military commission. the commander in chief and secretary of defense must impose a strategic calculus in the decision making process and effectively direct its actions. civilian leaders bare these responsibility because of the espirit de corps of our nation.
if the senate consents and the full congress passes an exception to the seven-year requirement, i will provide strong civilian leadership of military plans and decisions and the department of defense. i recognize under the constitution it is the congress that raises sustained and supports our armed forces through annual authorizations and appropriations. for many years i have watched you in action and testified before you. i look forward to collaborating closely for the defense of our nation. i am mindful of the extraordinary privilege it is to be nominated for this position. i will hold service members, civilians and their families foremost in my thoughts and work to give the department the best chance for victory if you confirm me. finally on a personal note, i have worked at the pentagon twice in my career. a few people may know i'm not the first person in my family to do so. when the wartime spring of 1942 my mother was 20 years old and
worked in military intelligence, she was part of the first wave of government employees to move into the still unfinished pentagon. she had come to america as an infant and lived on the banks of the colombia river in the pacic rthwest. little could she imagine in her youth that more than 90 years after she immigrated to this country and 75 years after she first walked through the doors of the war department one of her sons would be sitting here before you today. thank you. may i take your questions. >> general, i neglected, would like to introduce members of your family who are here with us today? >> thank you, senator. they're safely west of the rockies as well right now. [ laughter ] >> very quickly, our uniform military leaders have said -- have testified before this committee that the budget control act has put the men and
women serving in uniform at greater risk. do you agree with that? >> i do, sir. >> i believe that we are in serious trouble in afghanistan as the taliban is able to mount greater and more serious attacks on capitals across that nation. do you agree that nation? >> they have made advances and eroded some of our successes, chairman. >> and the afghan -- the a & a is sustaining unsustainable over a period of time losses. >> i need to review the actual casualty figures and recruitment, sir, but i believe that's correct. >> do you believe that we have a strategy that will allow us to regain control of raca? >> i believe we do, sir. however, i believe that strategy needs to be reviewed and perhaps
energized on a more aggressive timeline. >> it seems to me that some of the actions we're taking, 50 troops here, 200 there, smacks of mission creep. do you think that there is some aspects of that? >> chairman, i'm not current on this issue. if confirmed, i will get current very quickly. >> i just returned from a trip to the baltics, georgia and ukraine. they are incredibly worried about our commitment to them. and one of the major priorities that the baltic countries have is a permanent u.s. military presence, not a base, but a permanent military presence in the baltics. do you agree with that? >> chairman, once the new national security team is confirmed, i want to sit down
with them and come up with a coherent, integrated strategy that uses diplomacy, military -- >> i understand but i'm specifically speaking of the baltics. >> i do, sir. >> on a trip that i took with senator graham and senator klobuchar we want close to the front lines where president of ukraine where we took part in various ceremonies with these brave ukrainians, 10,000 of whom have been slaughtered by vladimir putin and his invasion of crimea and ukraine. i know you can appreciate the fact that there was a ceremony where the president of ukraine gave their highest award to the mother of a young man who had just been killed by a russian
sniper a couple of days before. it's always very moving and it brings home graphically what the russians have done in ukraine and crimea. crimea in blatant violation of the budapest agreement for which they recognized crimea's -- what do you think we ought to do about russia, general mattis? do you think we maybe ought to have sanctions against russia or basically sit by as we have for the last couple of years and watch their aggression -- by the way, including their precision guided weapons against hospitals in aleppo. the list goes on and onf the atrocities that have been committed by vladimir putin while we again try a reset. i've watched three presidents
commit themselves to new relationship with vladimir putin. all three have been an abysmal failure. should we ignore the lessons of history in our relationship with vladimir putin and what should we be doing? >> chairman, history is not a straight jacket but i've never found a better guide for a way ahead by studying the history. since yalta, we have a long list of trying to deal with russia and we have a short list of success. we should recognize he's trying to break the north america eye lines and we take the diplomatic, military and alliance steps, working with our allies to defend ourselves where
we must. >> you are a distinguished student of history and as we're all aware that following world war ii, a world order was established, which has held for basically the last 70 years. do you believe that that world order is now under more strain than it's ever been? >> i think it's under the biggest attack since world war ii, sir. that's interest russia, from terrorist groups and with what chan is china is doing in the south china sea. >> and that would argue for us making sure we're adequately prepared to meet these challenges. >> i think deterrence is critical right now, sir, absolutely. and that requires the strongest military. >> do you think we have a strong enough military today in order to achieve that goal? >> no, sir. >> i thank you. senator reed. >> thank you very much.
thank you, general, for your. and service. your comments indicated that despite misgivings about jcpoa, there's no going back and that was enough to simulate the european's action as well that we have to essentially stay the course. is that still your view? >> sir, i think it is an imperfect arms control agreement. it's not a friendship treaty, but when america gives her word, we have to live up to it and work with our allies. >> there also is, as i pointed out and as you recognized and pointed out much more eloquently challenge arising from the non-nuclear aspect, of iranian -- interference with shipping. there was an incident this week of provocation. how do you apply appropriate
pressure to the iranians to contain their behavior in these areas without jeopardizing the solidarity of the european and world community and the during the of the jcpoa? >> chairman, once the new national security team confirmed, we'll work together but i think to publicly display what iran is up to with their surrogates and proxies, their terrorist units that they support, to recognize the ballistic missile threat, to deal with the mayritime threat and to publicly make clear to everyone what they're doing in the cyber realm all helps to constrain iran. >> thank you. general, if you are to become the secretary of defense, you will be a critical component of the intelligence community. you produce intelligence to the defense intelligence agency, you
can consume intelligence because it is the basis of most every recommendation or decision that you would make, and we are in a very unusual -- unique situation where we have the president-elect disparaging t intelligence community, questioning its conclusions and questiinits motivations, suggesting perhaps that there would be some actions taken, perhaps bordering on retribution for intelligence hanalysis that is being done, we presume, i certainly presume, based on the trade craft and allegiance to the facts and the best judgment that they can make. do you believe if you observe behaviors such as that, disrupting the intelligence community, disparaging it,
undermining it, ignoring it, again, i could go on, do you feel you have an obligation to the country and constitution to inform the committee of those actions? >> senator, i can tell you that in my many years of involvement in the military, i had a close relationship with the intelligence community. i could evaluate their effectiveness at times on a daily basis and i have very, very high degree of confidence in our intelligence community. >> and if you see that community being undercut, not debated about their conclusion but undercut or somehow ignored or selectively being listened to or ignored, again, do you feel you have an obligation to make us aware of this so that we can exercise our responsibilities? >> i'll be completely transparent with this committee, sir, but i would not have taken
this job if i didn't believe the president elect would also be open to my input on this or any other matter. >> thank you. you have talked about the situation with respect to russia. one aspect of that is operations in syria. there has been some discussion of -- on and off during the campaign of cooperating with the russians in syria. do you think there's a possibility of that, a likelihood of that or would that be a good approach? >> russia, to quote the chairman's opening statement, has chosen to be a competitor and whale we should look for areas of cooperation, even in the worst years of the cold war,
president reagan and secretary schultz were able to work with russia to reduce the weapons. we also have to recognize reality and what russia is up to. there's a decreasing number of areas where we have cooperation and an increasing number of areas where we will have to confront russia. >> i've known you for 30 years. i'm so excited you're willing to do this. i'm concerned with readiness and u.s. influence. a year ago you stated our influence in the middle east is at its lowest point in four decades. and i agree with that. we had also confirmation
testimony last november that said continuous combat operations and reduced overall budgets have driven readiness to historically low levels. and i look and i see senator cohen and senator dunn, i spent time with both of them, i admire them so much. but this isn't like it used to be. right now we have one third of the army briga combat teams are ready to fight in all types of warfare. the current air force is the smallest and oldest in the air force history yet only half of its fighter squadrons are ready to fight in intensity combat. and general mattis, your marines, the aircraft, their combat, marine aviators are an historical lows right now in terms of flight time. same thing with navy. we have the requirements for 308 ships and we only have 274. so this is not like it used to
be. and i would only say this, i really believe that we'll have to relook at the priorities that we have in this country. and i enjoy quoting president reagan when he first came in, he said, quote, starting by considering what must be done to maintain peace and review all the possible threats against our security, then a strategy for strengthening peace and defending against those threats which must be agreed upon and finally our defense establishment must be evaluated to see what is necessary to protect against any and all potential threats. the cost of achieving these threats is totalled up and the result is the budget for national dense. do you think he was right at that time? >> yes, sir, i do. >> yeah. i look forward to that.
thank you for being willing to do this. >> thank you. thank you, general mattis, for also being willing to do this. you and i have had a chance to work together in the past and we also have had a chance to visit. i would like to first briefly talk about the overseas contingency operating fund and the joke that is being -- the cruel joke that is being played on the american public that we have not been able to come together in an honest way and confront the needs of our military and confront the needs of our domestic national security in a bipartisan compromise to allow us to quit putting base military funding in a fund that doesn't have to be paid for. and it's gotten worse every year, you know. and it's such a hypocrisy.
it is one of the reasons everybody in america is so disgusted with us that we can't be honest with the american people about the needs of our country and come together in a bipartisan way to meet them in a way that is responsible in terms of the way that we budget and spend money. tell me how you intend on addressing this important issue going forward. >> senator, the need for our country to maintain a self-and secure nuclear deterrent, a concisive conventional force while maintaining an irregular capability is misunderstood and i kn it is by this committee. but how to then translate that into budgetary management. we will bring forward from defense what we think we need, for overseas contingencies, for the base budget but i believe my desired end state would be everything is in the base budget
except for something that legitimately pops up that couldn't be anticipated. but at the same time, we are not in a position there to dictate that and the bottom line we will come to you with what is necessary and then support this committee and the congress in justifying it and making certain we have your confidence we're spending every dollar for what we should be spending it on, something we cannot do right now, i'm aware of. but that's my goal in this effort and i don't have a solution for what the chairman described as a self-inflicted wound of the budget control act. i don't know how to get around this in a way that puts the congress really back into its oversight role rather than salami slices of cuts where you don't actually exercise your judgment. i'm much more comfortable with you doing that than some arithmetic. i think i'm with you. i share 100% of your goal, ma'am.
i can't tell you i know how to get they are other than giving you my best military advice. >> i want to talk about women serving in every occupational specialty and you and i had a chance to talk about this at length. i'm particularly proud of the work done on this in my state. since 1999, the sapper leader course at fort wood has been maintaining complete live gender neutral standards, determining who does and does not graduate. it's a rigorous physical requirement. despite the rigorous official demands, over the course of the graduates rates since 1999, the graduation rates for women and men have both been at about 50%. understanding that none of us want any standards diminished and that we've got to maintain the highest physical standards
for the specialties in which men and women are going to serve, can you address for this committee how committed you are going forward to having both men and women serve alongside each other when they are capable of doing the work for our country? >> yes, senator, i can. i think you hit on the point that no standards -- the standards are the standards and when the people meet the standards, then that's the end of the discussion on that. i would also add that what we're talking about here is somewhere north of 15% of our force is made up of women. the reason we're able to maintain an all-volunteer force with very, very high recruiting standards is because we go to males and females. that same application of that human capital has got to show that where they can best serve, that's where they go. >> thank you, mr. chairman. general mattis, let's talk about
israel for a few moments. would you agree that the united states shares common values and strategic interests with israel? >> israel's a fellow democracy and i think israel's security is very, very important to the united states. >> are there any other democracies in the middle east? >> no, sir. >> would you agree that the threat of iran's regional belligerence and nuclear ambitions are a shared threat both to the united states and to israel? >> i agree and i would add also to our arab partners in the region. >> and i think you said that we are going to -- we're going to have to live with what the administration has done with regard to the energy agreement with iran. are you confident that we can monitor the situation with regard to possible violations? do we have that capability? >> i'll have to get in and look at the classified data if you
confirm me, senator. i believe we can have it. i just can't respond authoritatively right now if we've got those processes in place. >> in your opinion, what did the united states' failure last month to veto the u.n. resolution with regard to israel do to our bilateral relationship with israel? >> sir, i'd have to get back and look at that. i say that because i've read what's in the newspaper and what's going on in both tel aviv and washington and new york, but i do not have a very authoritative view of that right now. i think we have got to restore a better relationship with israel and with our arab allies. i think there's a sense on their part that we're indifferent to the situation they face, the
security situation that they face. >> and we certainly don't need to send the signal that we're indifferent to their situation, do we? >> the greatest generation came home from world war ii whether we recognize it or not, we're part of this world, sir. we're going to have to remember that lesson. >> and i realize this was a foreign policy question but you're going to be part of the national security on foreign policy team. let me say that one of my greatest concerns with regard to our failure to veto this resolution and therefore to let it be adapted by the u.n. security council is that people will argue that this establishes international law. and somehow this congress and this new administration are going to have to send the signal that we do not recognize that with regard to the israeli presence in certain sections of
jerusalem, we do not recognize that resolution as international law and we are in a tough position there. if you'd like to comment on that, i'll be glad to hear your thoughts, sir. >> sir, i think ultimately we're going to have to promote peace between the palestinian and the israeli authorities there and that's going to take time to build that kind of trust and we should be a partner in trying to build that resolution between those people. >> when one speaks of israel maintaining its qualitative military edge over neighbors in the region, what does that mean to you, general? >> sir, it has to do with the technology of the military equipment provided. i would only add that we also have improving relations between israel and some of those neighbors and where we can work
in terms of partnership with both israel and the arab neighbors, we can strengthen everyone's security and stability in the middle east. >> do you believe their qualitative military edge needs to be revitalized? >> i'm not aware that it's not vital now, that it's not fully formed right now. >> and with regard to the traps, of course secretary cohen has insulted every member of this committee by suggesting we don't readily understand that, as i understand it, this occurs when a rises power tries to meet the power of an already existing and established power. do you think that is a risk when it comes to our relationship
with china particularly in the asia pacific region? >> sir, i believe that we're going to have to manage that competition between us and china. there's another piece of wisdom from antiquity that says fierce, and interest -- i say we would have to engage in terms of alliances, engage economically and maintain a very strong military so our diplomats are always engaging from a position of strength when dealing with a rising power. >> thank you very. good luck to you. >> thank you, mr. chairman, and welcome, general mattis. thank you for your willingness to continue to serve this country. i have read that in 2005 as commander of the marine corps
combat development command that you asked researchers to, quote, unleash us from the tether of fuel and explore ways to improve the efficiency of military vehicles in order to reduce the strain that energy put on supply lines because you not only when you commanded the first marine division during the 2003 invasion, that you had also seen what happens when our troops outran their fuel supplies. so can you speak to why you think this is important and will you as secretary of defense continue to support the military's effort to pursue alternative and more efficient sources of energy to reduce our reliance or conventional fuel supplies? >> yes, senator. we will take advantage of every advance in terms of extending our legs, extending our energy efforts and certainly there's a lot of progress that's been
made. i've been living in sill icon valley for the last couple of years. you can understand my interest in what they're doing out there in the private sector. >> thank you. i think our military is much ahead of the private sector and much of government and those are lesson that can be shared that will benefit the private sector as well. chairman mccain talked about the threat that russia poses and listening to your responses it sounds like you also believe that russi poses a threat to the united states and to the -- i think you said the transatlantic alliance. today for the first time since the fall of communism, american troops arrived in poland as part of the european reassurance initiative. how important is it for us to continue these initiatives to reassure our european allies that we will continue to support
them? and how concerned are you that some of president elect trump's statements with respect to continuing to support nato, to support our allies in europe has undermined our ability to continue this initiative and will you support the e.r.i. continuing as a second? >> senator, i do support eri. nato, from my perspective, having served once as the nato supreme allied commander, nato is the most supreme in history ever. it was put together by a generation coming home from a war to defend europe against soviet from incursion.
nations with allies thrive and nations without allies don't. i would see us maintainings strongest relationship with nato possible. >> and some of the comments that heard -- have you had a chance to have discussions with president-elect trump and how confident are you that he recognizes what you just sd about the imrtance of those relationships? >> senator, i have had discussion with him on this issue and he's shown himself open, including asking questions to go deeper into the issue and i'll work with the other members of the national security team
once the senate confirms them to carry these views forward. >> thank you. you talked about -- i think senator inhofe raised the issue of our troops and the importance of the national guard being part of the one force that we depend on. readiness is also a concern for the national guard as well. in new hampshire, for example, our national guard has experienced a 32% decline in structure since 2007, much more than many states that are smaller than we are. and they've had trouble with training rotations, resources, equipment, other aspects of readiness. can you commit to us that you in addition in trying to address readiness with our active duty forces, that you also look at the guard and reserve and try and ensure that they also have access to what they need to be
ready for deployment? >> senator, i share the chairman's view that we have shrunk our military capability and one of the things that that forces on us is the awareness, if not just a strategic recover never, there's also an operational reserve. they have to be ready on very short notice. it's a reality when we have shrunk the military we have and not reduced our strategic commitments. we can't deploy without having them at a high state of readiness. mostly in equipment and training. there's some things they don't do because they're not on duty 365 days a year, but as an operational reserve and strategic reserve, they'll be critical. >> thank you, general. >> thank you, mr. chairman. thank you, general mattis, for your past service to this
country and thank you again for your willingness to step forward and serve us once again. i was happy to see your responses to the advanced policy questions confirm the importance of nuclear weapons, which you describe as fundamental to our nation's security and your statement that, quote, we must continue with the nuclear modernization plans of all three legs of the triad, unquote. you brought up an important point that there's a broad recognition that the legs of the triadd have different strengths. the bombers are visible and therefore they have what i call signaling value. the submarines are highly survivable and the icbms are the most responsive leg and they can be launched at a moment's notice. you mentioned what you called the targeting challenge of our
icbm force and what that targeting challenge poses for our adversaries. could you explain that further. >> ma'am, in my review of the triad that you brought up here, senator, i looked at each one of those legs is it necessary. i haven't had access to the classified data but i had a fair amount of background on this and some of the aspect, of why we have a triad have not changed. in looking at each leg of it with the icbm force, it's clear they are so buried that any enemy that's going to take us on is going to have to commit two, three, four weapons to make sure they take each one out. the icbm force provides a cost-imposing strategy on an adversary.
we are trying to set such a stance with our triad that these weapons must never be used ever again. the deterrent value of the icbm force is that an enemy would have to basically used three or four times as many weapons to take out each individual one. that's the targeting challenge the enemy faces against the icbm force. >> in your answers to questions about whether we are deterring hostile activity in cyberspace, you say no. and you continue on to state, quote, to be deterred, our adversaries must know they will suffer consequences from cyber attacks that outweigh any gains they hope to achieve. if they choose to act as adversary, we will treat them as such, end quote. i completely agree and believe that more costs must be imposed
on those who are responsible for cyber attacks. this gets to the issue we've discussed in great detail on this committee, which is the lack of an overall policy to respond to cyber attacks. when we discussed this in our recent meeting, you made a point that i believe is also very important, which is that the lack of a policy is potentially destabilizing because adversaries unaware of our boundaries may take a provocative action that forces the united states to act militarily. i believe you characterized it as, quote, stumbling into a conflict. essentially we don't want to find out what constitutes an act of war in cyberspace the hard way. can you elaborate on that point for us? >> senator, i believe a lot of crises and wars have started from miscalculation. while it's important to make
sure what we stand for, i think in an area such as you're bringing up, cyber, that our adversaries know what we absolutely no not tolerate. by make that clear, you're much likely to have someone stumble into a situation where now wie'e forced to take action. putting in a policy like this is not something the department of defense can do a loan. from our treasury department to commerce and homeland security, we need to get a lot of people in a room and put this policy together. i realize it's a new domain but that doesn't give us an excuse not to address it on an urgent basis. >> thank you, sir. i look forward to working with you on that. this committee has been focused on cyber. we are looking for a policy and i look forward to developing one with you. and i invite you to come to nebraska and visit and would
love to be there when you're there. >> senator gilibrand. >> i want to continue the line of questioning previously. do you plan to roll back the role of women? >> senator, i've never come in the preformed agenda of anything. i come in assuming the people before me deserve respect for the job they did and decisions they made. >> i ask specifically because in previous speeches, one from the marines memorial club on april 16, 2015 you were asked specifically about whether we should open infantry positions and special forces combat jobs to women and you said you did not think it was a good idea. you said when you mix, you know, when you mix arrows, when you
mix affection for one another that could be manifested sexually, i don't care if you go anywhere in history, you will not find where this has worked, never has it worked. and then on a previous space, april 23r, 2014, you said the idea of putting women in there is not setting them up for success. could we find a woman who could run fast enough, of course we could. could we find a few who could do the pull-ups. of course we could. that's not the point at all. it's whether or not you want to mix arrows. so in both of these question-and-answer sessions, you said you did not think could you do it. you have changed your view on this issue? >> senator, i was not in a position to go back into government when i made those statements. there are many policies that have been enacted over many years, including the year since i've been on active duty, i'm coming in with the understanding that the lead the department of defense.
if someone brings a problem, i'm look at it. i'm not coming in looking for problems. in that regard it's all about military readiness. i'm looking for military readiness and what we can do in that regard. >> do you plan to oppose women serving in these combat roles? >> i have no plan to oppose women in any aspect of our military. in 2003 i had hundreds of marines who happened to be women serving in my 23,000 person marine division and this is ten years before i retired and i put them right into the front lines alongside everyone else. >> so you no longer believe that arrows is a problem when men and women are serving together? >> i believe if we are going to execute policies like this, we had better train or leader so they can handle all things that come from a policy that's decided in this town.
that's our responsibility to train our young leaders who are going to be dealing with facts that perhaps their fathers did not have to deal with. >> in your book "warriors and citizens" and the interviews you did afterwards, you were talking about the disconnect between civilians and the civilian elite's view of the military and the military's view of itself. and you cite various policy debates that you think there's a disconnect and two that you cite you said in recent policy debates such as those about allowi allowing homosexuals to serve openly, assigning women to combat units and other items -- >> senator gilibrand from new york is questioning general mattis right now and we wanted to tell you what's been happening at the pompeo hearing. this is the congressman from
kansas. he was introduced by the veteran senator from kansas, bob dole. they've had a power failure and they have moved hearing rooms. there are three senate office buildings, russell, dirkson and hart. they were in the hart building. they have now moved over to dirkson. we wanted to let you listen to mike pompeo. he graduated first in his class from west point, went on t harvard law school, became law review editor, was in the private sector and now represents his district in kansas. donald trump has put him up to run the cia. >> it has been a true honor. and finally, i want to thank my patient and patriotic wife, susan and my son, nicholas, each of whom i love dearly. the two of you have been so selfless in allowing me to
return to public service, first as a member of congress and now a confirmed working with warriors to keep america safe. having been a member of the house committee on intelligent i stand my job if confirmed will be to change roles to information provider. the director must stay on the side of collecting intelligence and providing analysis to policy makers, including this committee. i spent the majority of my life outside of politics, first as an army saofficer, a litigator and returning to duty is something that is in my bones. i'd like to briefly sketch some of the challenges i see facing the united states, address trends in intelligence and describe what i see as the cia role in addressing each of those. this is the most complicated
threat environment the united states has seen in recent memories. we must ensure those and they inspire cannot expand their reach and slaughter more innocent people. we have had the rise of extreme imand sectarianism and furth further -- iran, the world's largest state sponsor of terror has become an even more embolden and disruptive player in the middle east. russia has reasserted itself aggressive and doing nothing to aid in the destruction and defeat of isis. as china flexes its muscles, they are pushing new boundaries and creating real tension. north korea, too, has dangerously accelerated its
nuclear and ballistic missile capabilities. we all rely on intelligence around the glop to avoid strategic and tactical surprise. foreign governments and liaison services are vital partners in preventing attacks and providing crucial intelligence. it's important we all thank and appreciate the foreign partners who stand with us in helping make sure we all have the intelligence we need to keep america safe. if confirmed i intend to advocate for a strong and vibrant intelligence community and foresee neutrality in that community. there are four long-term trends pa paramount. >> military trends can weaken the fabric of our comment communities.
second, as with the proliferation of nuclear weapons, the united states must continue to wisely maintain a decisive advantage. third, the effects of dislocation and poor governance present critical challenge for the cia collection and analysis. and finally, the cyber threats have grown digitally. it will be the mission to ensure the agency remains the best in the world at its core mission, collecting what our enemies do not want us to know. in short, the cia must be the world's premiere espionage organization. one emerging area is the cyber domain. russia,