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>> all eyes are on capitol hill this afternoon. confirmation hearings for three of president-elect donald trump's top choices for cabinet positions. those hearings wrapping up just moments ago. in the hot seat today the president-elect's nominees for head of the cia, secretary of defense, and secretary for housing and urban development. let us start with mike pompeo, one of two men today hoping to serve on the president-elect's national security team. the kansas congressman is trump's pick to lead the cia. he and other leaders of the intelligence community have a unique challenge. trump is off to quite the contentious start with our intelligence community. just wednesday you might remember he compared them to nazis. here are just some of the highlights from the pompeo hearing. >> the central intelligence agency will play a role for this administration it has for every previous administration. i'm confident the president-elect trump will not only accept that but demand that. >> the president-elect general
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flynn has been quoted as saying the cia has become a political organization. do you believe that. >> my experience is that i have not seen that. >> if you were ordered by the president to restart the cia's use of enhanced interrogation techniques that fall outside of the army field manual, would you comply? >> senator, absolutely not. >> nbc'scally oh, has been following the pompeo confirmation hearings. kelly, good to see you. let's start with some of the technical glitches we saw there. they had to move the hearing from one senate room -- from one building to another. >> reporter: real loo unusual, craig, because there was a full hearing in the normal place where the intelligence committee would meet. and then the lights went out. and it's an interior room. so it was dark. the micro phones were dead, and it was really just the glow of lap taps that kept things going. the lights were out for a lngy period of time. and they decided that the best
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thing to do was to find an available room and move. so nothing unusual, we're told. mechanical failure of some sort but nothing outside of that. but the atmosphere certainly made people think about things like russian hacking and is there something larger going on here when you are talking about a cia nominee. all was well. they in fact moved to the room behind us and just wrapped up and moved now to a closed session which means that the nominee can be asked questions that are not open to the public so they can speak much more more directly and that was the nominee for commerce who just walked by me, mr. wilbur ross now that i see him from behind. a lot is happening here craig. so they are now behind closed doors to talk about matters that are classified. so that's what we've been watching with mike pompeo, who is of course a current member of congress from kansas, has served on committees that have put him in the know on lots of intelligence matters over time. we walked with him in this
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hallway, asked him questions. i was tight lipped, which i guess is is a good quality for someone who might be running the cia. also today, we saw dr. ben carson, who of course was a major figure on the campaign trail and has been donald trump's selection to run the department of housing and urban development. now, that's a portfolio that's different than his professional life in medicine. he was asked about that and said a lot of things that have to do with -- oh, they are bringing a little audio video unit. this is what i love about capitol hill -- it is a living breathing place. if somebody comes by me with loud equipment you will understand. dr. carson says there is a relationship between healthy environment, meaning your living place and medicine. he says that is something he can understand and make a difference. he was questioned by elizabeth warren who got to the heart of an issue that goes to the conflicts that the trump family may possess with their their
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business interests, would hud have any contracts that could possibly go to trump the trump family or any of their enterprises, here is how dr. ben carson responded to that. >> my concern is whether or not among the billions of dollars that you will be responsible for handing out in grants and loans can you just assure us that not one dollar will go to benefit either the president-elect or his family? >> it will not be my intention to do anything to benefit any -- any american. particularly -- >> i understand that. >> it's for all americans, everything that we do. >> do you take that to mean that you may manage programs that may significantly benefit the president-elect? >> you can take it to mean that i will manage things in the way that benefits the american people. that is going to be the goal. >> to the best you understand that.
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you know -- >> if this happens to be an extraordinarily good program that's working for millions of people and it turns out that someone that you are targeting is going to gain, you know, $10 from it am i going to say no, you americans can't have it? i think logic and common sense probably would be the best way. >> so that is the sort of dr. carson we saw on the campaign trail. he has a methodical answer. he works through his responses. and that back and forth with senator warren was trying to get at that issue of conflicts of interest that could potentially happen. also some concerns i've heard from democrats, would he kind of follow some of the social program policies that would normally be associated with the environment in housing and urban development, the portfolio they have. there are concerns there. again, because of the republican numbers, it's expected dr. carson would be confirmed. so no big bombshells in his
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hearing but he is a very notable figure in american life and it was interesting to see him in this setting. since he never held public office he too is one of those experiencing this kind of environment in a very new way. >> kelly o'donnell on the hill for us. we need to get to breaking hughes. pete williams is standing by for us also in d.c. with some news on the inspector general looking into some actions related to once again hillary clinton's e-mails. pete what can you tell us? >> this is the inspector general of the justice department, craig, and what he says -- this is michael whoo wits. says that in response to requests from members of congress, from the public, from other organizations, he's going to do a review of how the fbi handled certain aspects of the clinton e-mail investigation. some of the things that have been criticized by hillary clinton and have been considered controversial by others. first of all the way that the
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fbi director announced in july the findings on the clinton e-mail investigation, disclosing facts about it, publicly criticizing the way hillary clinton handled her e-mails. and then what he calls here certain underlying investigation decisions, and whether they were based on improper considerations. the timing of the two letters that the fbi director set up to the hill. the one in october 30th that disclosed that additional e-mails had been found on the laptop belonging to anthony wiener and then the second letter november 1 s saying well we've looked and we didn't fine anything. other allegations that a justice fbi officials improperly disclosed information about the investigation that wasn't public. allegations that a justice department employee, the head of the office of lemgs lative affairs improperly passed along some non-public information to the clinton campaign and so on. so it says it will not
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substitute the judgment of the inspector general for the judgments made by the fbi or the department but they will look at whether changes should be made and whether the thing was handled right. now at the end of the day what are you going to get? you are going to get a report from the inspector general. but it is an unusual thing to have such a wide-ranging investigation. it's going to be months, i'm sure, in the process. but it does mean now that the justice department is going to be looking at how this whole thing was handled craig. >> wide ranging review, indeed, pete. any idea of a time line, any indication from the inspector general about when we might say something? >> no, they never say in advance because they never know when they start these things how long they are going to take. but they typically take several months. their reports tend to be long. economy of expression is not considered a merit at the office of inspector general. so these things tend to be long. and they are very thorough.
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but it's just very interesting that given all the public criticism here there is now going to be an internal review of how it was handled. >> economy of expression. the inspector general again, word coming down just moments ago that the inspector general at the department of justice is launching this probe into fbi actions ahead of the election. and pete, to be clear here once again, all we are likely to get is a report. typically these don't call for some sort of action, do they? >> well, they can. >> okay. >> i mean, if the inspector general believes -- the inspector general himself has no power to discipline people, but you can hem that people be disciplined or that other actions be taken. impossible to say whether that's going to lead here or whether the inspector general is just going to say that certain practices did not follow the justice deputy's traditions. i gather what the inspector general is saying is it's not for me to second-guess them and say i would have handled this differently.
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the goal of the report is to say, was the way this was handled at odds with normal justice department and fbi practices? >> to be clear here pete again this is the result of what sounds like a tremendous amount of lobbying by members of congress. is that safe to say? >> he does say explicitly that the decision here follows requests from chairmen and ranking members of congressional oversight committees, the committees responsible for reviewing what the justice department does. and then as michael horowitz says here, various organizations, and members of the public. >> last question before i let you go, pete. the inspector general -- the incoming trump administration, is this something that they could on day one put an end to? this review? >> no. >> okay. >> inspectors general are politically independent. that's the way the law is set up here. they are independent from the
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cabinet officials that oversee them. so assuming jeff sessions is confirmed as attorney general, he can't pick up the phone and tell michael horowitz knock it off. i'm not saying that he would, but your question is could he, and the answer is -- i guess he could make the call but the inspector general would go ahead anyway. >> thank you sir. i want to bring in casey hunt now. of course casey you spent a great deal of time covering the clinton campaign. have we gotten a response from them yet to all of this? >> we are going to reach out to the clinton campaign to see what they have to say about the process of this internal investigation. i would suspect it would be welcome news to them. this is an issue they focused on intensely starting really from that comey press conference. he came under a lot of criticism. there was a lot of unhappiness with how he handled this from the very outset. when he took that unprecedented
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step of going in front of cameras and while he cleared her of any potential charges and said they were not recommending prosecution, the president conference itself then evolved into comey going very aggressively after hillary clinton's actions in this e-mail issue. and so they were unhappy from that point. of course it did clear it away for them, but then of course it came back up just weeks before election day. and you remember i was sitting in the washington -- in our washington newsroom and a seemingly innocuous e-mail came across from a source of mine on capitol hill that essentially contained this letter from jim comey saying actually we are going to reinvestigate this evidence. it took everybody by surprise on both sides of the aisle, and the clinton campaign as well. and they launched basically an all out war against jim comey from that point forward. and it wasn't closed until a
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couple of weeks later when comey sent another similarly innocuous letter saying actually we looked at all of this. it's mostly duplicates, there is nothing to see here but the results is that we spent the final weeks of this election focused on this issue and it's something the clinton camp believes is a significant part of why she lost this election. we'll also say of course this was decided by such a small margin in a few states, wisconsin and michigan, blue states we weren't expecting to go for trump. so there be could be any number of things that could have turned the tide the other way. >> right. >> but this is -- you cannot overstate how much this dominates clinton campaign, the former clinton campaign officials' thinking about what happened in this election. so i'm sure they are going to be watching this very closely. i would also popt out, craig, and i was going to suggest we may want to show this to our viewers in the next hour or so if we can, that clip of senator angus king questioning jim comey
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on the hill just a couple of days ago. >> days ago, sure. >> where he asked is there an investigation going on? is the fbi investigating donald trump's ties to russia. and comey said as you know we never reveal details of an investigation. and senator king, he is an independent but caucuses with democrats said there is some irpy there referring to this very incident. >> the senator from maine there. you are right. that was a line of question that had a lot of folks with their eye browse raised. we heard from pete williams a couple moments ago casey the impetus for this appears to be a number of congressmen and women reaching out. i he no you spend a lot of time there on the hill. >> yes. >> do you have any sense of these kong leaders, how many we are talking about? how many names? >> well. i have to tell you we are just starting to do the reporting on this.
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we will have a chance to ask some democrats and others. it's possible in this case there may be -- technically committee chairman, or in this case probably ranking members since republicans control both houses of congress the ranking members on potentially judiciary committees would be people i would potentially reach out to. but you can't overstate the depth of answeringer of jim comey's action from democrats on capitol hill across the board. this is not something they feel comfortable with. i think there was a lot of surprise. jim comey of course was one of president obama's appointees. he is someone who works hard to cultivate bipartisan respect and to try to keep the gs agency out of politics. but i think that the way that he approached this particular issue really burned a lot of bridges with democrats. i think we'll try to get to the bottom of exactly how thistime came to the inspector general's attention and which members of congress may have been active on it. but it's safe to assume there is a deep, deep frustration and
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anger at comey over this on capitol hill among the democratic party. >> casey, we'll let you make those phone calls. come back to us if you can later in the hour. i'm joined now by senate minority whip dick durbin. just to bring you up to speed here senator, breaking news, doj inspector general says he is going to review, quote, how the fbi and justice department handled certain aspects of the clinton e-mail investigation, including fbi director james comey's news conference in july and his two letters to the hill in late october and early november. are you one of the lawmakers who called for this review? >> no. but i welcome it. and i can tell you why. i supported jim comey when the president named him to the fbi. i have a high regard for his service to our government at many different levels before. but this action that he took in the weeks before the election was unprecedented. the department of justice and
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the fbi have basically said, particularly in the closing days of an election campaign, take care not the try to influence the outcome of an election. when jim comey announced he was going to initiate an investigation based on anthony wiener's computesers and such, he really opened the door again to the whole conversation about this investigation on e-mails. that to me was unprofessional. why did he do it? the only excuse that's been given publicly was he was afraid that an fbi office in new york would leak the information if he didn't say it publicly. now what does that say about the fbi? it does need an inspector general's work. i support what they are doing. it's long overdue. >> to be clear, you know, at the end of this investigation, there is a high likelihood that what we will have will be a volume nows report that won't really obviously change the outcome of the election. what say you to that, this idea
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that this is just sour grapes? >> we are talking about the integrity of the department of justice and federal bureau of investigation. it's that basic. and i think it's well worth our effort and time to have the inspector general do his work on this. i support it completely. whoever is president of the united states -- and i don't expect anything we talk about today to change the outcome of this last election -- whoever is president of the united states, and attorney general and head of the fbi should be respected and they must earn that respect with their conduct. >> let's pivot if we can and talk about what is happening on the hill right now, the senate, the upper chamber taking that first major step last night toward repealing obamacare. at this point, what recourse do democrats have to stop republicans from dismantling the affordable care act? >> let me tell you what happened in the last eight or ten days. what looked like an easy dunk shot for the republican majority in repealing obamacare has started to cause real problems
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within their own caucus. five different republican senators have finally said publicly it is a mistake to repeal it if we don't have a replacement. we have been saying that not for just a week or two but for six years. all of their criticisms against the affordable care act and they don't have anything to put in its place. so 30 million americans with health insurance stand the rick of losing their health insurance protection with repeal and no replacement of the when we get back on this issue in a week or two i hope cooler heads prevail on the republican side and they stop the repeal effort. if they want to make it a better stronger more effective program sign up democrats and republicans to discuss of the. if it starts with repeal it starts on the wrong foot. >> do you get the sense from your republican colleagues that they actually have a plan that they are working on and we just don't know about it? or do you get the sense from members across the aisle that they just don't have anything yet? >> if they had a good and effective plan we would have heard about it a long, long time
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ago. they really don't. they despise obamacare. not one of them voted for i. they were angry with this president for his victory. and they know, though, despite its problems -- and there have been some problems with it -- 30 million people now have health insurance and in addition to that we have the lowest percentage of uninsured americans in history. we are bringing down costs in some areas. we need to do it across the board. but this is a good basic plan that protects families across america and they don't have a replacement. >> confirmation hearings continue right now there on the hill. you participated in the confirmation hearings for senator jeff sessions from alabama to become the country's next attorney general. we heard from senate minority leader chuck schumer who says he is going to oppose his confirmation. how are you going to vote? what are you basing that decision on? >> first i've known jeff sessions for my entire career in congress. over 20 years. we have worked on a few things together.
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we've been at odds on many things. i could give his speeches. he can give inmoo. we have reached that point in our relationship. and i listened carefully and sfad for virtually all of the hearing we had in the first day. but it was interesting because during the course of the hearing the story was unfoaling about this doesier of unconfirmed allegations against the elect. yesterday i asked michael mccasey. i said does the attorney general have the authority to stop an investigation in the fbi? and he said yes. well that raises a new question, one that i'm going to pursue with written questions to mr. sessions -- senator sessions at this point. will he continue or impede any of the investigations underway relative to the russian involvement in this last election? i want his answer, yes or no, straight up. >> based on the man that you have known all those years what sense do you get? do you sense he is the kind of guy that would impede that investigation? >> i worry about it. i worry about it because of the
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political atmosphere and environment around here. i have never seen anything like this. a president-elect who is questioning the veracity of our intelligence agencies? >> someone who refuses to go through regular briefings about dangers to america around the world? there has never been a president-elect like this. when he names a cabinet, you i think have an obligation to ask the hard questions. are you willing to say no to this president if what he asks for is wrong? >> senator from illinois, dick bushin, minority w.h.i.p. senator always good to see you, sir. thank you. >> thank you. >> we are going keep following the breaking news, doj inspector general reviewing the fbi's hamging of hillary clinton's e-mail robe ahead of the presidential election. that news coming down just a few moments ago. this is msnbc. we'll take a quick break and be right back.
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>> we continue to to the breaking news out of the justice department. pete williams reporting the doj
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is now investigating the fbi's handling of hillary clinton's e-mail investigation ahead of the presidential election. brian fallon is on the phone with me, brian fallon of course was the press secretary for hillary clinton's campaign. brian, thanks for joining me here on the phone. just first of all your general reaction to this news that the doj has now launched this probe into the fbi? >> hi craig. thanks for having me. my reaction is that it's entirely appropriate and very necessary. but also not surprising. because the deviations from the protocols at the fbi and the justice department were so glaring and egregious in terms of their handling of not just the e-mail investigation into secretary clinton, but just in general, the amount of leaks that were coming from the fbi throughout the election, and even post election. is something that it was i think most observers and former
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officials of the justice department realized, cried out for an review. it's not surprising this is happening. it will reasonablebly be several months for then to conduct their investigation but i would expect that it would entail interviews at the highest levels including talking to jim comey and asking him directly how he would justify the deviations from doj protocols that traditionally bar someone in his position from talking openly about a case as he did on multiple elections and on intruding on an election schedule as he did sending that letter out. i would expect they would interview the attorney general, soon outgoing attorney general to ask him why they wouldn't have been more aggressive in containing jim comey from doing
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this. >> it's on record that jim comey did all of it because he was afraid of a leak coming out of the fbi office. they are going to be reviewing five suggests. this allegation that the department and fbi agents disclosed none authorized information. fancy talk for leaking. and the fbi director should have been recused from participating in certain investigative matters. why would the director -- why should he have been recused? >> i think in any case of this nature with this high a profile they will inspect it from any number of angles. and i think that in general they will probably want to also look into why their director's explanation that he feared leaks coming out of the new york field office was a sufficient basis for him to take this drastic
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step alerting congress to something that ended up up bog a nothing burger in terms of that batch of e-mails found on anthony wiener's communitier. it took them a mere week after obtaining a search warrant to conclude that's e-mails were largely redundant. why he wouldn't have taken that step before he sent a letter to congress given the explosive exact it had, i think it should have done good afternoonly. the inspector general out of all of these agencies is going to be one of these places where hopefully they have a shining moment over the next four years because no matter how the trump administration seeks to run these agencies with the controversial cabinet picks they are appointing these inspectors are independent and their job is to follow the facts wherefore they lead, do oversight and due diligence.
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jim comy -- he is the one person who has the ability to hold him to account. he has not sat for any interviews. he has not publicly answered questions. he put out one memo, leaked out one that he sent to his internal department seeking to justify his action as couple weeks ago. he has otherwise not face his critics or publicly defended any of the steps that he took. i think that the inspector general's review will give a lot of people opportunity to have those questions answered and restore confidence and the tarnished reputation of the fbi. we need the fbi to be independent, to not have a reputation for behaving in a partisan matter. i think all of that was called into question in the way they handled this matter in the closing weeks of this campaign. >> brian, have you had the opportunity the talk to hillary clinton since this news broke? i know it's been 20 minutes or so. >> no, i have not. i just learned this myself.
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again, i think those of us that were following this matter in real time always expected there could be some clamoring and some need for some entity, likely the inspector general us a office to do an after the fact review. as i mentioned craig it's not just the letter that was sent 11 days out but there was an incident two ooeks after the election where certain media publications were publishing details of rank and file agents in the new york field office wanting to launch -- get subpoenas issued over allegations from that notoriously debunked clinton cash book. they wanted to launch a full scale investigation into the clinton foundation over those baseless allegations and that leaked -- that was somehow allowed to leak out of the new york field office even though supervise at the fbi themselves judged it not worth looking into. the fact that the fbi is so arrive with leaks and the fact that the impact of those leaks
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was so one-sided cries out for investigation. consider the other day that the fbi director sold senator ron wyden in a congressional hearing that he could not confirm whether the fbi was investigating links between donald trump and russia because he said he could not speak publicly about an investigation that might be open of the how can he display that standard in the case of donald trump and follow a completely different standard when it came to hillary clinton. i'm sure that's something the inspector general will want to get to the bottom of, too. >> how much of an impact do you think that all of this had on the outcome of the election? >> there is no question in my mind that it was decisive. everything that has been said about errors that the campaign made is true and valid. certainly, the campaign, if we had to do it all over again would have spent a lot more time in wisconsin and michigan. i think there is any number of tactical decisions that we would have made differently knowing we know now. certainly a of the had our polling numbers were off, the
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data in terms of where we stood in some of those states was wrong. so as a result some. decisions we made were ones that we will like to take back. all of that being true, i still think if this election had been held ten days earlierer, prior to the sending of jim comey's letter hillary clinton want the 45th president of the united states. if you look at the late deciders numbers it was so vastly different in terms the doesn't digit deficit of the late deciders in the final weeks of the campaign versus knows in early voting, several weeks underway by the time james comy sent his letter. we were seeing a huge amount of voting for hillary clinton among those early voters. and the late deciders letter, many agree, had a huge impact on the letter. >> if you do speak to hillary
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clinton, call us back, we would love to get her reaction to all of that. >> thanks, will do. we heard it there e.j. e.j. is a columnist -- not the columnist. >> a columnist is good enough for me. >> a columnist for the washington post. eugene would take offense to that. jimmy reed also here. they have written a new book as well. it's called we are the change we seek. the speeches of barack obama. that is a timely -- we're going to talk about that in just a moment. let's start with the news of the day. obviously breaking news coming out 15 or 20 minutes ago or so. the language here is important because it speaks to the scope and scale of this review. the justice department's inspector general saying how he is going the rehow the fbi and the justice department handled certain aspects of the clinton e-mail investigation including fbi james comey's news conference in july. and his two letters to the hill
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in late october and early november. joe, are you surprised at all that the inspector general has decided that this is worthy of review? >> no. i'm not surprised at all. i was quickly looking up michael horowitz's term. how long it is. there is the subject of whether or not he could be fired by the president-elect. he is on a ten year term. >> who appointed him? >> president obama. >> okay. >> here's what we know. we know that the fib's field office, to brian fallon's point was self actualizing an investigation based on a book, based on clinton cash a widely debunked anti-clinton book that is actually tied to stephen steve bannon of it's tied to the think tavern he has in florida. his partner in the think tank is the author of the book. bannon was promoting the, into. suddenly conservative member of
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the fbi in new york wants there to be an investigation of hillary clinton. that bubbles up and actually starts to happen. we have the wiener investigation also taking place by the new york fbi which is not related at all to hillary clinton but this laptop they have in common because of huma abedin. they have the laptop but don't get a search warrant for it. they held on to the laptop. and then you have jim comey sending a letter -- not even j. edgar hoover intervened this much in an election. before we get the letter, we have chafe, et cetera, who is in oversight inside the house of representatives, previewing on his twitter feed there is explosive information. you have rudy giuliani going on tv previewing they have explosive information on hillary clinton. that series of events 11 days out of the election, nate silver has looked at the data -- it's hard for anyone including myself
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to imagine it wasn't absolutely decisive. hillary clinton loses by 77,000 votes. three days out comey comes out again and announces by the way there is really nothing on that laptop. why send the letter in the first place? comey's actions were unpreced t unprecedented. unusual what he did. >> we heard from jim comey from the fbi. we heard from him a knew days ago. this is part of his exchange with maine's senator angus king. let's take a listen. >> you didn't say one way or the other whether each there is an investigation underway. >> correct. i don't -- especially in a public forum we never confirm or deny a pending investigation. i'm not saying -- >> the irony of your making that statement here i cannot avoid. >> angus king's words will live in infamiliary because that's what a lot of people were tig at that moment when jim comey said that. >> it is curious, to say the least, e.j. >> it's all very kooer curious.
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i think it is a great thing that this is happening i think it is a great thing that inspectors general have this freedom to investigate. it's going to be an interesting test institutionally how this is doing to work. what kind of pressure is he going to come in after january 20th. joy hit on something very important. the behavior of the new york fbi office appears to have brought some real pressure on jim comey as you referred to earlier. and the notion that potentially a group of politicized fbi agents would have where with all to put pressure on the director where he is saying well if i don't leak this, they are going the leak this -- this is a real systematic management problem. it is a political problem. and it's a problem for how a system of justice works because these systems are not supposed to be political like that. and i do think on this point of how did that affect the election -- >> yeah. >> -- there were all the analyses of the voting which
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suggests that it did. but you don't even need to look at that. if you look at the way donald trump ran the last ten days of his presidential campaign he gave up on a whole lot of stuff and focused both in his public speeches and in his advertising on the new investigation of hillary clinton. and i think at that point a lot of voters who were undecided said i'm sick of all the clip investigations, the heck with it. i think you cannot deny there was an enormous political impact here. and i'm glad they are doing this. because a think a lot of people in the country want to know. >> by the way, you could even include in comey's unprecedented actions, take us back even further to last summer when rather than doing what almost every fbi agent does, defer to the justice department, let them speak, simply make your recommendation to loretta lynch, the attorney general as to whether or not you think there is something prosecutable. instead jim comey gives a press conference in which he clears
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hillary clinton and indicts her character essentially. he gives a treatise on how irresponsible she was, how many mistakes she was. this is like the police chief coming out and giving a press conference instead of the prosecutor. it's not his place to have done that. and that is the thing that precipitates him feelingwill well i gave all this information i have to update it. no, actually sir you do not. >> months from now we will get this report from the inspector general. he will presumely conduct a host of interviews. he will pore over documents and get perhaps a couple of volumes of this report. and then what? >> you know, i was of the mind to be honest with you that the president probably should have fired jim comey. there were a lot of people who wrote editorials about that. the reason i can take that extreme point of view. >> that would have been seen as highly partisan. >> at this point it's in the wash. america's faith in our institutions has beenic shaen in this election and that's a threat to our democracy.
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we've seen it all over western europe. we've seen it in the united states you heard the president talk about it in his farewell address. the lack of faith in our very institutions -- and the fbi has had its problems in the past. ask the king family. they have done dpirtdy things in the past but recovered a certain respect among american people. partly because of jim comey. we know mark rich, he had dealing in whitewater he was sort of seen as partisan but when bush was in he went to the bedside of john ashcroft and said no sir alberto gonzalez you cannot make an ill man sign away the rights of the american people. he developed some respect and now it's shattered. the supreme court is partisan and political now. the fbi is partisan and political now. >> if i could make a quick point on this, i think at this point i
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agree with joy very much that comey made a destructive testous mistake. the question is, would those of us who want who comy did really want donald trump to name the next director of the fbi? one of the functions of this report it depends on who jim comey really is. there is that side of jim comey and what he did here. he could use this to shake up the fbi, use this to solve perhaps om of the management problems he has with other parts of the fbi. ? yeah. >> but also i think the fact there is an investigation sends a small to people in the future that you can't just do stuff like this and have in accountable. this is the one way to have at least some accountability for an event that really helped shape our hess tree more than we would have ever expected. >> reaction continues to pour in to this announcement. we will have to have you back to talk about the book. my apologies about that. the breaking news is of course the news of the day. we are waiting to get some sort of response, we assume we'll get
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a response from the president-elect to all of this at some juncture. breaking news the justice department investigating the fbi's handling of hillary clinton's e-mail probe ahead of the election. we will go to trump tower and talk to halle jackson for the latest from the president-elect. tech: at safelite, we know how busy your life can be. mom: oh no... tech: this mom didn't have time to worry about a cracked windshield. so she scheduled at safelite.com and with safelite's exclusive "on my way text" she knew exactly when i'd be there, so she didn't miss a single shot. i replaced her windshield
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kind of comment or reaction to what has been breaking news that as you know developed over the last 40 minutes or so here. nothing yet. i wouldn't be surprised if maybe we say a tweet from the president-elect later today. if we get a statement we will bring it to you asap. >> what about this phone call between james clapper and donald trump? >> right, that happens overnight. before we get to that craig a quick reminder as we talk about this new oig investigation coming out. a couple of moments on the campaign trail that stand out, remember for months on the trail the president-elect, when he was a candidate called for an investigation into the investigation. the day that the news about -- the additional news on october 28th that broke about this inquiry or this review from james comey, the president-elect released a statement at the time that said -- essentially praising this move and later at a campaign rally said it took a lot of guts for james comey to do what he did. a lot of interesting back story and history here with the
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reaction of donald trump to the fbi, to the department of justice. so there is a lot of sort of anticipation you could say as to what the reaction will be from trump tower here. as for his interactions with the intelligence community as of late, yes there was a conversation between clapper and the president-elect late night -- we learn about it in the overnight hours. today we are getting the news that the two of them discussed the leaks from the intelligence community that james clapper said were not actually from the intelligence community. the president-elect as you know at his news conference essentially took the intel community to task about what he believes are leaks coming from them. clapper denied that, says he is also dismayed and has concerns about this and reit rated he is looking forward to working with the president-elect as the intelligence community wants to work with the incoming administration. that said there are serious questions about the relationship between the intelligence community and donald trump.
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i had a chance to ask rudy giuliani about that a little bit that perhaps the lower level analysts the worker bees, those who work in the ic have concerns and their marrel is hurt by the comments that the president-elect made, the tweets he made, and giuliani's response said he is not concerned about these. he says that if morale is low it's hard for some of these folks to believe that essentially there have been lapses in the intelligence community and perhaps -- i'm paraphrasing here and that they are not essentially tough enough for the gig in the first place. i think there is an interesting relationship unfolding now between the president-elect and members of the intelligence community. back to the breaking news, we again reached out to the transition team. as soon as we get anything we'll hop up and bring it to you. >> halle jackson outside trump tower in new york city. still ahead senator mike lee, republican of utah. we'll get his eaction to all of
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i can tell you the white house was not involved in that decision. and anything the inspector general chooses to investigate is something he will do -- he or she will do based on their own view of the situation, based on their own knowledge of the facts. hopefully they will follow whatever -- follow the evidence where it leads. if they find any evidence. >> white house press secretary josh earnest a few moments ago, talking about this breaking news that the inspector general just announced roughly 45 minutes ago that they have launched a review, a review into the justice department and the fbi's handling of hillary clinton's e-mail server investigation ahead of the 2016 election. republican senator mike lee of utah joins me now. senator lee has also been a driving force in the upper chamber to repeal the affordable
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care act. i want to talk about that in a minute but i want to start with the news of the day, this review into the justice department and the fbi. do you support this i.g. review? do you think it's a good idea? >> to be honest, i have no idea. i learned about this just moments ago. i mean, literally, two or three minutes ago. i suspect this is somewhat routine. they just want to make sure that everyone handled themselves appropriately in an election cycle. i literally know nothing more than what you just announced. >> i don't want to beat this dead horse, but according to our folks here, this is not routine. they are looking at five issues specifically, among them this idea that james comey, the fbi director, should have been recused from participating in certain investigative matters. the idea that the justice department and the fbi's employees improperly disclosed nonpublic information, that it leaked classified information.
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senator, what say you to that? >> that sounds interesting. again, i'm learning about this for the first time right now, what you just told me is information i was not aware of until right now, so -- >> should the fbi director, should he have had those news conference -- that news conference, rather, and sent that letter to the hill? >> i don't know. i suspect that's why the investigation is taking place. it was somewhat unusual. i remember thinking, this is out of the ordinary at the time it happened. that doesn't mean that he should or should not have done it. but apparently someone has decided that needs to be investigated and it will be. >> let's talk about obamacare here really quickly. we've counted at least eight republican senators who have said repeal and replacement of the affordable care act should happen simultaneously. president-elect trump has said the same. what's your position? should they happen at the same time? >> look, regardless of what approach we take to figuring out what legislation comes next
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after obamacare is repealed, we need to make sure that we don't make the same mistake as was made seven years ago when obamacare was passed. where this 2700-page legislative proposal was drafted in secret by a small handful of individuals and then an entire congress was told, you've got to vote for this in order to find out what's in it. this needs to be a deliberative process. it needs to be a process that takes place in multiple iterations. that's what i look forward to seeing. >> senator, you acknowledge, though, that the approach to the repeal, how that's handled is paramount here because if you get rid of something before you have something to replace it, in this case, you could have somewhere between 20 and 30 million americans who don't have adequate health care. you would acknowledge that. >> yeah, yeah, absolutely. but that's why it's important to keep in mind that this repeal proposal that we have has time delay on it. it's not going to kick in for probably two or three years after it's enacted.
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that will do it for this hour of "msnbc live." i'm craig melvin. my colleague katy tur picking up coverage right now. >> another busy day in washington. breaking news. a washington, d.c. watch dog launching into fbi's action. mr. trump's cabinet. the president-elect picks his picks for cia, housing and cia are on the hill. >> can you assure me he that not a single taxpayer dollar that you give out will financially benefit the president-elect or his family? >> i will absolutely not play favorites for anyone. >> what pla

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