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picks, not quite eye to eye on things like nato and russia. why that is, what it means for national security and this morning president-elect trump's new response on twitter. with just a week left in office, we're going to have a look at president obama's legacy and hear from some of his closest friends and advisers, including never-before-heard details about the president's relationships with his daughters. but up first this friday, investigating the investigators. more on the inspector general launching a full-scale review into the fbi's handling of hillary clinton's e-mails. so recommending no charges while at the same time calling clinton extremely careless. then the letter in congress in late october about the discovery of new e-mails linked to the case and the conclusions those e-mail shouldn't trigger new action. right now this review kind of a uniting force on capitol hill.
>> his statement about whether there was going to be an opening of an investigation or closing of an investigation i don't think was fair, professional or consistent with the policies of the federal bureau of investigation. >> there were a lot of questions during this investigation that really raised eyebrows probably about from both sides of the political party about why were these things done, how were they done. >> pete, what is this review trying to find out here? put this in context. >> you just laid out part of it, hallie. it's not the investigation itself, who was prosecuted and given immunity, those investigative details. it's more how public statements were made, the timing of them. a couple of other question, whether justice department employees improperly passed along information to others. whether somebody in the clinton
campaign was given some information, whether a deputy at the fbi should have taken himself off the case. but it's the main question is these public statements made by mr. comey. >> so, pete, how routine or not routine, unusual is it to see this kind of inspector general review on something look this? >> these are precisely the sorts of questions that inspectors general normally ask, where justice department ruled and they followed. you don't make these sort of public statements during an investigation. when you decide somebody's not to be prosecuted, you don't go on for several minutes to criticize their behavior. those are the main questions they will ask. at the end of the day what the inspector general can do is make recommendations. that's all i.g.s can do. so michael horowitz, assuming he's still inspector general when this is over, he'll make recommendations and he can
saying this shouldn't happen again. and then it will be up to jeff sessions, if confirmed, to decide what to do. >> it's possible that the recommendations could have teeth if the a.g. makes recommendations? >> that's right. it's good to have transparency and get people thinking about this. one other thing, there have been a lot of calls for mr. comey to give some sort of public explanation of all of this. now he will say, probably has to say there's an inspector general investigation going on, i can't really discuss this until that's over. >> one of the key moments in this whole thing was that impromptu meeting between attorney general loretta lynch and former president bill clinton. that is not included in this review. why not?
>> it's not among the five thing michael horowitz said he will look into in this report, but i can't imagine it wouldn't be something they'll have to look at. the fbi has argued they were put into a box by that meeting, it compromised the independence of the attorney general and forced mr. comey to do things he wouldn't otherwise have done. i'm sure it's going to come up. >> pete williams in our washington bureau. and this morning donald trump is asking why hillary supporters are complaining, saying he should have never been allowed to run and blames her loss on her lack of enthusiasm. kristen welker joins us. where do you think donald trump is going to go here? >> reporter: he's taking aim at his former rival again, and what's so striking is it underscores any type of
questioning of the electoral processing continues to get under his skin. he doesn't want people to be focused on that or questioning his victory in any way. he wants to be focused on his upcoming inauguration and his plans and policies for the future but of course we continue to see this from the president-elect, lashing out on twitter. by the way, that tweet that you just read was just one of a huge tweet storm this morning. he unlashed on obamacare, on former secretary clinton. he's not letting go of his grievances of secretary clinton. the question for husband supportesuppor -- his supporters, does it distract from his message now. one of the points that you made is this review does have bipartisan support. you have congressman jason chafeets, the chairman of the house oversight committee who is still investigating secretary clinton's e-mails saying we need
to take a look at how this was handled, how the fbi handled this, comey's actions and public statements. and then you have democrats saying this is the right move as well. however, i've been talking to clinton officials overnight, they're saying they wish this review had come sooner. why not start it after that initial july statement that raised so many eyebrows. would you have gotten that october surprise? would a review have prevented that october surprise from happening? while they're welcoming this review for some clinton supporters, it's too little too late. if you ask did it in fact cause her to lose the election, they're not willing to go that far but they say they think it slowed her momentum in the final days of the race and for that reason -- >> the idea there are other factors based on donald trump's tweets this morning. i want to get your opinion that mike flynn called up the russian
ambassador and expelling russian diplomats mon diplomats. what do we know and what don't we know? let lay this out. >> no one within the trump transition team as of yet is pushing back on this reporting. i have reached out to a number transition officials and i know you have as well. i haven't gotten an official response. we have the daily press briefing call so we're going to press them on that today. i do think it's striking they haven't pushed back. according to senior u.s. official, flynn phoned the russian ambassador several times, the day the u.s. announced the expulsion of 35 russian officials as well as other measure in retaliation for the hacking. that could be viewed as breaking
a law that prevents u.s. officials trying to influence foreign officials. and this issue of russia continues to loom over president-elect donald trump. of course a lot of people say being he's praised vladimir putin, we saw that earlier had week during that press conference when he finally acknowledged he accepts u.s. intelligence that points to russia interfering in the u.s. election, but again saying, look, if vladimir putin likes me, that's an asset. so you have a lot of people expressing concern about this, what in fact does it mean? does it suggest there's some type of coziness going on between the incoming commander in chief and vladimir putin. but this new nugget is on going to complicate that picture i think for president-elect trump. >> i'll let you hop on that transition call. we'll check back with you later in the day. i want to bring in congressman jim himes, a member of the house
intelligence committee. i want to start by picking up where kristen welker left off, the report about mike flynn and the interference of russia in the election. >> it's one of a series of facts that raise really uncomfortable questions that need to be answered and what is the relationship between donald trump, donald trump's people, donald trump's campaign and moscow. i don't think nanybody knows wht was in these phone calls and there's too many questions about what exist there is. donald trump has denied any activities, any relationship, which we know not to be true. these charges are explosive and we need to investigate them and if in fact donald trump knew there was no contact between the campaign in russia, he would be taking the opposite tact he was
taking. he would be say being let's get a very big and thorough investigation done. instead he's not saying that which at a minimum raises the question of why is he not saying that? what does he know that an investigation could surface? >> you talk about russia, which is a backdrop to a lot of questions that a lot of people are raising about the incoming administration. his pick on the hill, the cia, i want to play you a little bit of what they had to say. z >> it's pretty clear about what took place here, russian effort to hack and have an impact on american democracy. >> i have very modest expectations about areas of cooperation with mr. putin. >> as somebody concerned about what donald trump has said about russia, are you reassured by what some of his top cabinet picks are saying? >> his top cabinet picks because they've been in this building or
have been running exxon, his top cabinet picks have had to live in a world of reality for a long period of time. you understand putin's activities abroad in crimea or ukraine or meddling in the election are at odds. president-elect trump finally accepting the hacking, he's not on board with idea and he's citing russia, russia said they didn't do anything here. that's like asking the fox if they raided the hen house. >> asking people and hearing people like general mattis on capitol hill, does that make you feel any better about russia? >> his cabinet appointees are living in a world of reality. >> you and you think donald
trump is not living in a world of reality? >> donald trump is still saying he's building a wall and the mexicans are paying for it. the mexican president said two days ago we're not paying for it. donald trump said we're going to have a deportation force. speaker of the house ryan said we're not going to have a deportation force. the fact that donald trump is saying one thing on 12 different subjects and his cabinet officers and speaker of the house are saying a completely different set of things, that's politically interesting. >> how do you take that? do you believe the president -- the president-elect, or do you believe his cabinet picks? >> as a democrat, if this weren't so serious, if repeal of the affordable care act didn't mean that 20 million or 30 million americans weren't going to get thrown off the their health insurance and if russia weren't so serious, this would almost be funny. it would almost be funny that you have a president, the most
powerful man in the world in about eight days saying a, b, c and all of his top people saying not a, b, c. >> i have to ask you about rudy giuliani's comments. he's joining the white house about the cyber security adviser. here what's he had to say about the fbi director looking into james comey. i want to play it and then talk about it. >> i think the inspector general should recuse himself. it's clear the inspector general is carrying out a political investigation. >> is it a political investigation? >> you know, hallie, i'm always curious about why somebody around a controversial topic, whether it's russia's hacking, comey's decision that he made prior to the election, i'm curious about why anybody would ever say, no, no, no, don't look over here, don't do an investigation. that's just bizarre. that's just bizarre. this coming from a guy who just yesterday as a member of the media, you noticed this, said you know what i love about donald trump? donald trump is going to bring
back and stand up for freedom of the press. this is a guy who has penned the press, has encouraged crowds to intimidate the press, has taken any number of opportunities to slander the press. i mean, what world -- talk about a gap between reality and what you're hearing. what world is rudy giuliani living in that not investigating something of this potential seriousness -- look, i don't know if comey had a profound influence on the election or not but we ought to at least go through an investigation to figure out what led to a decision which was contrary to department of justice policy and certainly had some effect on the electoral process in this country. >> congressman jim himes, thank you very much for being with us. i appreciate your perspective on all this. coming up next, we're going to talk more about what you just heard from the congressman, trump versus his cabinet. what it means for trump white house and national security is our discussion coming up. plus later in the show, we'll have more on that d.o.j. investigation with the chief
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. six of president-elect cabinet nominees faced off against senators this week in sometimes contentious confirmation hearings as you've been seeing this week. some are veterans to american politics, some are newcomers. they range in age from early 50s to 70s. all of them have no problem publicly breaking with their potential boss. >> nato in my opinion is obsolete because it's not covering terrorism. obsolete for that reason. >> nato, for my perspective, having served once as a nato supreme commander is the most
successful military entity ever. >> donald trump is calling for a complete shut down of entry of muslims in the united states until we can figure out what the hell is going on. >> i have no belief and do not support the idea that muslims as a religious group should be denied entry to the united states. >> you have china, pakistan, russia, you have so many countries right now that have them. now, wouldn't you rather in a certain sense have japan have nuclear weapons when north korea has nuclear weapons? >> we just simply cannot back away from our commitment to see a reduction in the number of weapons on the planet. >> another one came in today. the wikileaks was like a treasure trove. >> i've never believed that
wikileaks was a credible source of was in. >> he doesn't seem to be word about it, right? >> i think that's right. we knew going, in the main challenge was going to be figuring out how to essentially say i'm going to be a loyal member of donald trump's administration while at the same time not offering up something that was going to be completely politically unpalatable that o e senators that are going to have to confirm them. i do think throughout the course of this for the most part the performances have gotten very good reviews. jeff sessions has a lot of oppositions from democrats, a lot of activists protesting his hearing but at the end of the day it seems he's on the road to confirmation. the same is true, much more so i think with jim mattis. he is somebody who is very
reassuring to a lot of the senators up here. they feel like having him on the inside of trump's white house is going to be potentially a moderating influence. they feel like he's somebody who knows what's going on and can potentially influence trump in a positive way. the one place where i would say there have been questions raised is rex tillerson. this is somebody who impressed senators quite a bit in private. everyone came away from their private meetings saying, okay, he answered my questions well on russia, he's a very impressive guy. but when the klieg lights went on in the hearing, there were a lot of people unimpressed with his performance. he came under intention questioning from marco rubio on russia. and i think that's something -- it's republican opposition that you really want to keep an eye on as we head towards these votes because that's what's going to determine whether these nominees get through or not. >> drive into that, kasie. we're hearing from democrats,
senator cain says he will support james mattis and oppose rex tillerson. senator merckly saying he's a no on tillerson. if marco rubio, senator rubio, ends up not opposing rex tillerson, does that mean sort of done deal for the trump transition, they can breathe a sigh of relief? >> reporter: look, i think your summary there is pretty good. look, jeff sessions is likely to have a vote that's relatively close because democrats are likely to be pretty unified in opposing him. you may see that be one of the closer votes but that doesn't necessarily mean he's in more danger than a rex tillerson. you want to wch the republican opposition. one this evening you want to wah rubio is what does he do in the committee. there's only one member
difference between the republicans and democrats on the committee. they could send it to the full senate without tillerson being confirmed. if rubio did take that to the senate, his opposition and you saw a few more republicans decide they couldn't go with because of that questioning, that could put him in significant jeopardy. i think people are more nervous in the transition and republicans on capitol hill who want tillerson confirmed, they're more nervous today than they were on monday. >> on another topic here, the repeal of the affordable care act. till us in. >> reporter: the house is going to take the first step today in laying the groundwork to repeal obamacare. it's a little bit down in the procedural weeds because what this setting up the ability to repeal the fundamental pillars of obamacare with just 51 votes
in the senate. that means they're going to be able to strip away quite a bit of this law only with republican votes. now, the challenge is going to be figuring out how to replace it. that's why you've seen more and more republicans, quite frankly, voicing frustration about not having a replacement plan in place and saying to their leadership, hey, we don't want to repeal this if we don't have a replacement plan. that replacement plan is going to have 60 votes to pass the senate. that means they're going to have to compromise with democrats. democrats are digging in saying they don't want to help them do that. this move today will lay out the blueprint for that repeal. it's a significant step in the republican push to end the president's health care law. >> kasie hunt prowling the halls of capitol hill. appreciate it. coming up next, the ongoing battle of donald trump's possible conflicts of interest. nbc news obtaining a left in which congressman jason chafetz
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to a law enforcement source talking with wmaq. and an 8-year-old today being called a hero for pulling her two brothers from a fire that killed six of there siblings. devastating for that family. a neighbor talking about the heartbreak they all share. >> in my heart, it crumbles. every time i speak about it, it keeps crumbling, that i could do more. my daughter said you couldn't do more. there was just too much fire there. >> a go fund me page has been set up for the family so far raising $120,000. >> this morning, back to politics, a new threat of capitol hill very long, this time directed at the independent office of government ethics. in a letter congressman jason chaffetz is accusing them of blurring the lines between public ethics and information guidance.
hinti hinting an investigation could be on the way. joining me now is kathleen clark, government ethics expert and professor at washington university law school. kathleen, a lot of folks, like yourself, people who are very familiar with sort of ethics positions on this say this just is inadequate, essentially. democrats have said the same but some republicans, including some on donald trump's team say, listen, this is the politicization of ethics experts here, some in the gop wanting to give donald trump the benefit of the doubt. what's your take on this? is this the politicization of this issue? >> no. i think that the head of the independent government ethics agency for the federal government accurately described or assessed president-elect trump's ethics plan. and when he said it was inadequate. mr. trump's plan is that he continues to own the trump organization, he will continue
to benefit from payments to that organization and that absolutely invites abuse. >> so do you buy, then -- clearly you won't but jason chaffetz saying this is essentially blurring the line or is he doing himself job? >> i think he is doing his job but he's doing it in a new way, twitter age. the officer of government ethics has been a quiet and perhaps obscure independent agency but the head of the agency decided to communicate with the trump transition through twitter, which is absolutely an unusual choice. as a matter of substantial, what he is saying is absolutely accurate and is not at all sort of a -- it's not far from the truth. it's accurate that donald trump's plan for dealing with his businesses will invite corruption and scandal and that is now how our last four, five presidents have handled their
finances. >> on the flip side, there are some that make the argument that, number one, there's never been a president-elect or a president like donald trump who has been in this position so this of course will be unprecedented steps and who also argue that at some point you have to trust the person who is in the white house. does that hold any water, either of those arguments to you? >> no, the whole basis of our ethics program is that we don't need to rely on a blind trust of our government officials. instead we require disclosure, we require that they not act in ways that violate conflict of interest laws, including the constitution's emolumentes law. i think requesting blind trust of donald trump is mistaken and misconceives how we run ethics programs in this country. and companies don't just rely on the good faith of their official, they check on them,
they require disclosures and so on. >> you talk about disclosh yeur. the president-elect has not disclosed his tax returns and th those type of things. how challenging is that when they don't have that information? >> that is critical. not just that donald trump has not revealed his tax returns but in particular we do not know how many money donald trump knows and we do not know to whom he owes that money. and i would encourage congress and frankly the office of government ethics to take a look at its guidance to see if it can obtain additional information, require the president-elect to disclose that information. because if you know to whom someone owes money, you know who whom they are indebted and to whom they may feel an obligation to curry favor with. >> kathleen clark, thank you very much for that perspective. appreciate it.
we want to get to new information coming out of trump tower, a long-time confidante of donald trump has announced he is going to be the public liaison, he says, to get his message out to the american, to try to get donald trump out to the people the way see hes it and he says, quote, i think we have to go directly to the american people. joining me is mark murray. scaramucci, he's familiar to someone who watches cable news. he's also a face a lot of people know on wall street, right? >> absolutely. anthony scaramucci is a long of time republican donor in the wall street finance world in new york. this position is essentially the position that valerie jarrett has ended up filling for eight years in the obama administration. it's a liaison to business, liaison to outside groups,
america, and scaramucci will be playing this kind of role. i think it's interesting you have yet another member of the new york wall street financial world who will be joining the trump administration. this is the heart of where donald trump is from. on the other hand, given that donald trump ended up winning on the back of people in pennsylvania, michigan, ended up winning in wisconsin that so much of the donald trump team at least so far is coming from that new york republican world. >> do you think folks who put donald trump in office will care about that? >> probably not, hallie. you know it very well, there is a certain segment of republican vote who are will support donald trump doing almost anything. he's really tapped into them. those are the people who he could say or do anything and they'll still behind him, but do i think particularly as we're looking at some of the early polling numbers of how the
transition is going tofor donal trump, he has a lot of work to do when it comes to independents, democrats and republicans outside of that trump base. >> mark murray, thank you very much. appreciate it. stick around with us for our friday fact check that includes some of what donald trump said at he is press conference this week. but first, we've got more on how the fbi handled the hillary clinton server investigation, why the department of justice is now reviewing the agency. we're talking with hillary clinton's chief strategist joel bennson.
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you've said consistently now to my colleagues that you want james comey to be held accountable for this. what does "hold accountable" mean? >> the specific actions the department of justice and fbi will take is up to them. >> what do you want? >> i'll leave it to them to conduct their investigation. the key fact is from the day it started, myself and others said this is unprecedented, this violated longstanding fbi procedures and principles and department of justice principles. democratic and republican former law enforcement officials said so. now, what remedies the fbi or the department of justice will take after they conclude this investigation, that's up to them. but certainly he should be held accountable for violating those principles. what the appropriate steps are, i'm not familiar with them. i'm sure folks who are familiar with this and run the department of justice know what kind of actions they can take. >> pete williams, who covers the
department of justice -- >> he probably knows more than i do. >> would it satisfy you if it's on that end of the spectrum? >> the event happened almost two months ago, right? you can't undo it. we can't throw a challenge flag on the field and revisit the ref's decision. it's done. it is important for the credibility for law enforcement agencies that when they have principles they have to abide by they do it. i don't think a slap on the wrist will be satisfying to any american nor should it. they should feel comfortable they're conducting their business in the most ethical manner and according to the principles of their department and be especially careful within 90 diays of an election. >> have you spoken with hillary clinton? >> i have not.
>> what do you think her reaction is to this? >> a lot of us have said on the last couple of days on msnbc and other places what took so long? it was evident from the moment this happened that this director of the fbi had violated his own agency's principles. >> the "wall street journal" had an editorial that said james comey should resign. should he step down? >> i think that's up to him. he's going to face the music inside the justice department. he may step down. let's hear all the details of whether there was political intent behind this or not and let them take the action. i'd rather know all the facts. the best way to get all the facts about what and how he conducted himself and why he vie
hat -- violated himself is to have the investigation. >> you just said if he violated the principles which you believe he should uphold, he should step down. >> here -- you think i'm holding back my opinion. there's a reason they made the appointment of fbi director ten years. they wanted it to be above and beyond politics. sitting here from a political perspective and say he should resign now before we have all the facts contravenes what we should do in a case like this. when someone has a ten-year point, do the investigation, let the justice department and the fbi take appropriate actions and i believe they will at the end of the day. >> donald trump said this morning sort of reacting to all of this that hillary clinton's people should never have let her run, that she lost because she campaigned in the wrong states, not because of the situation that we're talking about here. >> i think donald trump -- i said this yesterday. he's a week away from being inaugurated president of the
united states. what would be great is if he started conducting himself that's consistent with the manner of all preceding democrats, democrat and republican in the public dialogue. stop hurling insults, stop hurling tweets, go about your business. right now he's got a bigger problem. he's got people testifying before congress every day disagreeing with everything he's saying to the american people and the world that are creating confusing signals. even republican senator susan collins said it during the hearings the other day with the secretary of state appointee rex tillerson. people need to know when the president of the united states speaks that we're speaking with sound principles, clear voice and clear direction, otherwise or allies and our adversaries. he ought to get down to the business of being president, the campaign is over in a week, start conducting yourself like all the other presidents have. >> your former colleague just said a couple minutes ago that
hillary clinton should do what she wants regarding running for mayor of new york, a speculation that she has laughed off. what do you think she should do? >> if she's laughed it off, i'll laugh it off. talking to somebody a couple months out of a presidential election about running for anything else i think is crazy. >> joel bennenson, thank you. >> and coming up a friday fact check. what holds up and what does not? when it's time to move to underwear toddlers see things
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losses. from "boston globe" "as a political leader, obama has been a disaster for himself party. how does his record stack up against other two-term presidents? cal perry is here to help us. what do you got? >> totally fair. a disaster. >> so senate and house. >> senate and house. from 2009 till today, in the senate 58-48. montana house, 256-194. >> net? >> minus 72. in modern times, the worst. >> all right. another question for you. we talk about donald trump, we heard him talk about his tax returns, for example. we heard from his lawyer at that news conference, which raised a few eyebrows with this statement. listen. >> as you know, the business empire built by president-elect trump over the years is massive, not dissimilar to the fortunes of nelson rockefeller when he became vice president, but at that time no one was so
concerned. >> concern about nelson rockefeller here. >> totally, totally false. everybody was concerned about mr. rockefeller, worth $1.3 billion in 1974. today that would be $6.7 billion by the most conservative estimates, about double what we think donald trump is worth. >> but were people stressed out about it? >> four months it took for him to be confirmed. the country was a bit of a mess. coming out of nixon here. this is representative waldi in 1974, he said we wanted to put a historical record to put rockefeller and others that certain actions are objected to by the congress. he was loaning money to people in the federal government and they wanted it stop. >> friday fact check. appreciate it. next up, a look at president obama's legacy from two of his closest advisers and friends.
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for more on the obama family's legacy leaving the white house, we turn to chris jansing. >> reporter: i had a chance to talk to two of the most influential women. why would they give up lucrative private sector jobs to come here and work 20 hours a day? here's what they told me. >> they're both really funny, i got to tell you. we have more times laughing. >> reporter: who's funnier? >> my boss. >> what? stop. >> they banter back and forth. you would buy tickets to watch the two of them. >> reporter: give me an example. >> the convention speeches. of course the first lady went first. >> when someone is cruel and
acts like a bully, you don't stoop to their level. our motto is when they go low, we go high. >> he was so proud of her but, boy, did he go back and work on his a little further afterwards. but, still, they motivate each other in a very important way. >> michele lefon robinson, for the past 25 years, you have not only been my wife and mother of my children, you have been my best friend. >> they share the same set of values and a vision for america and a dedication to public service that is second to none. >> reporter: last week valerie in her speech as first lady, michelle obama got very obama. >> being your first lady has been the greatest honor of my life and i hope i've made you proud. >> reporter: does she have doubts about that? >> now you're going to make me cry again because just to hear her repeat tag line. i think she's very proud of the work that she's done but i think
also one of the things that the two of them have is some humility about who they are and what they are. >> reporter: how have they n navigated two teen-agers, who weren't teen-agers when they came in? >> i think the president will give the first lady the credit for being an amazing first lady, who said first their priority would be ensuring their smooth transition. >> malia and sasha, under the strangest circumstances you have become two amazing young women. >> i think he's worked very hard to be a present father, and we check our watches at about 6:15 each evening because we know by 6:30 he needs to be on his way upstairs because dinner will not wait for him. >> reporter: you both have been up close and personal witness to history. favorite moment with president obama. >> it was the night that the affordable care act passed and i walked up to him and i said
feels like the same, you know, warmth and enthusiasm and excitement that i felt on election night. i said how do the two nights compare to you? and he said, valerie, there's no compariso comparison, election night was all about getting to tonight. and i said to myself that's why we're here. >> reporter: everybody wants to know what's next for the obamas and for valerie and tina and they laughed and said sleep first. >> that's a desire, chris, i know you can relate to, sleep. >> as can you. >> we'll be back with more on msnbc. or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next. find out how american express cards and services
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