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food? >> breakfast and lunch. we have a full plate of news ahead this hour, moving forward just a short time from now, the house set to vote on a measure aimed at dismantling obamacare. can anything derail the republican repeal plan? under review. the justice department's independent watch dog opening an investigation into the fbi director's handling of the clinton email probe. but is it enough? and policing the police. stunning new federal report finds the chicago police department has been systematically violating the civil rights of its citizens. we want to start with the house vote on obamacare, happened just moments ago. the republican and democratic leaders appearing on the house floor in advance of that house vote. we want to take a listen. >> my colleagues, this experiment has failed. this law is collapsing while we speak. we have to step in before things
get worse. this is nothing short of a rescue mission. >> republicans are feeding their ideological obsession with repealing the aca, and disman e dismantling the health and economic security of hard working families. we will not allow the republicans to make america sick again. >> kasie hunt has been following the votes all day on capitol hill. we'll start with you. walk us through this vote right now, is paul ryan expecting the republican conference to vote in unison or will there be defections here? there's been battling how best to go about it. >> reporter: there is a little bit of behind the scenes drama on capitol hill today because there are some republicans worried about how they're going about this for a couple of different reasons. this of course is a bill from the senate, it's a blueprint that lays the groupndwork to allow republicans to repeal the health care law with just 51
votes in the senate. it's a budget blueprint. they would be able to repeal the health care law with only republican votes, but there's some concerns. there are moderate republicans here on the house side who are worried about the fact that this does not take any steps toward replacing the health care law, and that's a significant issue for a lot of these members, who are worried that it might cause significant political problems back home, if they dismantle this without giving people something to rely on to replace it. on the flipside, you also have more conservative members. we call them the freedom caucus up here, they're members that have given a lot of heartburn to speaker ryan and previously speaker john boehner. they're concerned that the reality here is the health care law was built in such a way that it does bring in money to the government, and if you take apart the law, you lose those funding streams, and that's a problem for people who are budget hawks. now, at this point, republicans
i'm talking to are confident that this is going to pass in the house, but it might be a little bit more dramatic than we were expecting, peter. >> so kasie, walk us through what happens next, the real question of the structure about how they may go about doing this. >> reporter: peter i apologize if you're asking me a question, i think i lost hold of it so i'll kick it back over to you. >> we were going to ask her about the challenges of trying to find what that replacement will in fact look like. it remains an unanswered question when we talk to kasie and others we'll look into that, a question republicans to this point haven't been able to sufficiently resolve. on another topic critical issue, director comey along with director of national intelligence james clapper was on capitol hill this morning to brief members of the house intelligence committee on russia's hacking activities. nbc's hans nichols hoping he hears me is also on capitol hill right now. hans, by that nod i know you hear my voice. walk us through what we know about this meeting and what the intention of it is.
>> reporter: we basically know the anger coming out of that meeting, the meeting of entire house and republican and democratic caucuses, downstairs in the basement, they had to put their phones in the cubbyholes, it was a classified feeling. coming out of that could you feel the anger in the election being tipped. many are calling on him to investigate the 35-page memo this dossier, the synopsis attached to the intelligence briefing for mr. trump. some are calling on him to resign and leave his post and then you overlay that with what we had in the senate yesterday, that briefing where we had the president-elect's nominees for the cia and for the defense department, very publicly diverging from the president they want to serve on russia. >> hans, if we can, let me ask you about the david ignatius reporting that started in "the washington post" about the national security adviser designate mike flynn who will be by donald trump's side as soons he takes office one week from
today. there were several conversations with the russian ambassador to the u.s. after the election but notably on the same day that president obama was ordering sanctions against russia, the expulsion of russian spies. mr. trump's spokesperson later confirmed the exchanges but he had variable comments specifically about the dates those conversations took place. what more do we know? >> reporter: the time line here is somewhat important, namely that from the trump version of event and they're saying this publicly and we should take them at their word when they're out there publicly saying, mr. flynn was trying to arrange conversations through text messages through a variety of means with the ambassador, the russian ambassador to the states. now, they ended up having that call on the day the sanctions were announced. now peter, you remember that day quite well. you and i were both trying to break the story on what those sanctions were. lot of news organizations that morning were reporting it would come within hours, the sanctions. they were actually announced at 2:00 p.m., very right on the
nose. so the question then becomes was it appropriate for mr. flynn to have this conversation with the ambassador from russia to the u.s. after the sanctions were out there in the ether? you'll get different views on that, right? a lot of transition teams, what they do, this period of time, they are setting up meetings, they're setting up phone calls. this is pretty standard, and when you have any sort of phone call that's going to be set up, you usually do quite a bit of advanced work. you have call sheets. you know what you're going to say. the actual calls are usually pretty boring and a bit of a formality. if we take trump's view of the event, they were trying to set up calls, there may be others. you take what the u.s. intelligence official told david ignatius, very respected columnist around town. here's what's the most interesting thing to me about that. this could appear to the trump team that the u.s. intelligence organization, the community is somehow suggesting that mr. trump was doing something or mr. flynn was doing something untoward. the extent to which there's pushback from the trump campaign
that's what we'll be looking for. >> the bottom line the question being raised is the potential this would violate the logan act, dates back more than two centuries which says no u.s. citizen can interfere effectively with a foreign government when there's an issue that's contested regarding this country's government and that one as well. hans nichols son the hill for us, thank you very much. i want to get to steve king, who is a republican congressman from iowa, he's joining us now. congressman king, thanks for being here. >> you bet, thanks for having me on. >> walk me through this. you were in the briefing, director clapper, director comey there as well. give us the takeaway, take us behind the curtain about broadly what was spoken about and what some of the frustrations are that you witnessed? >> of course to start this out, it was a classified briefing and members aren't allowed to be in there with any recording or electronic device or take notes and carry the votes out of the room. i need to preface it and i can give youral impressions.
i don't know there was anything shocking in that classified briefing that was there, but it was, i would characterize it as a characterization of what we've seen in the news and questions that i would submit we have not received answers to are the questions such as where did, who was the source for julian assange? where did that information come from? what are the specifics that would lead one to believe that the russians had hacked into any of that information and may have transferred that in to julian assange? that question hangs open to me and i think that's a very, very important one, and then the idea of the analysis of the motives of putin, a high degree of confidence that putin made the decision that he wanted to try to influence u.s. elections and we know that he'd been engaged in others. so what was the motive for that is a question i'd like to have answered better. >> congressman, based on the information as best you can explain to us, are you confident or satisfied by what you've learned there's been no contact in any form between the trump team as it were, the transition
team and the russian government or intelligence, in any form over the course of these last several weeks or even during the campaign? >> i don't know if i could say that, and i don't know if we would know with a high degree of confidence whether or not there had been some contact, but i don't have any reason to believe that we would be more inclined to think that there was contact. that's where i was, how i would state that today. we can't be sure who traveled where and what they said. it will take time to sort that out but i think we've got adequate intelligence to eventually inform us as to those things. >> bottom line the "wall street journal" today suggesting an editorial "the best service mr. comey with render his country now is to resign." do you agree with the "wall street journal"'s assessment at this point? do you think that director comey should resign? >> you know, i didn't expect that question, and if you'd asked me yesterday i would have been more inclined to agree with
that assertion, but i watched james comey in this briefing today, and i would say he was the most direct, he was the most succinct and he was the most frank of the four members, four people that gave us that briefing, and so i would want to reassess that and i would like to have an interview, if i were going to go that far. he has a tremendous amount of talent and he's got a tremendous gift and you can come down on either side of the question whether he should have made the announcement he made several days before the election or two days before the election, or the presentation of what was a public indictment of clinton clinton de facto indictment july 5th, but i would want to reassess that in the light of what we know today and include in that the things we don't know the question that we will learn as the investigation goes forward. >> specifically on the topic of donald trump, the incoming president and the intelligence community where there have been clashes as recent as this week and even this morning. he put out a series of tweets today, one of the tweet storms we sometimes refer to them.
appears to side with russia and insult the u.s. intelligence agencies. he where iz in part "totally made up facts by sleaze bag political operatives both democrats and republicans. fake news. russia says nothing exists." he adds "probably released by intelligence even knows there is no proof and never will be by people. we'll have a full report on hacking within 90 days." are you comfortable with this back and forth between donald trump and the intelligence community? you just sat in on that hearing and do you think there is any risk to america's national security to have these two clashing so publicly? >> i think donald trump's tweets eventually we'll look at them and conclude on balance they're a good thing. we always want realtime opinion from the president of the united states, president-elect. >> should that be public, congressman king? >> he's not put out anything there that i think is classified. we get to look at the tweets every day and analyze ourselves what they mean and we want to listen to the pundits as well in the news media. that's a good thing.
the opinion that -- >> even at the risk of undermining the credibility of the intelligence community on the world stage? >> i would suggest that there were leaks that came from somewhere, and i don't know where that actually came from, if it didn't come from somewhere in the intelligence community or the white house, and i think we do need to find that out and i think donald trump's determined to identify the source of those leaks and i don't think it's going to come while it's under the obama administration. >> understood and in fairness lawmakers including republican lawmakers had access to that dossier dating back months. i want to ask you about the repeal and replacement of obamacare. the house expected to pass a resolution this afternoon that kicks off that process in that body. in simple terms, what is the republican replacement right now? what does it look like? does it cover preexisting conditions and how do you pay for something that's so. peculiar like that, but also so expensive? >> well, okay, we know that there have been multiple republican replacement proposals
that have been put out. there are packages, individual bills. we're still in a place where we can mix and match and come with the best replacement policy. >> how much time do you need to do that? which is to say donald trump says they should happen almost simultaneously. do you think the appeal should happen now or do you want your ducks in a row before the replacement before that begins and how long will that take? >> i don't agree with donald trump on a tisimultaneous lp we saw obamacare pushed through with no republican votes. we need the light of day on every replacement component we would pass. if it's all my call, and it's not obviously, do the reconciliation package today, i'll vote for it in a few minutes. then bring the full 100% repeal of obama january care, it will pass the house, send it to the senate and let it sit on the desk over there of mitch mcconnell's let donald trump see if can he leverage the votes for the full complete repeal of every word of obamacare. then set up the replacements, full deductibility of everybody's health insurance
premium cost. >> how would that process take in between each other? >> six months. i'm not worried. most everybody's policy is already in place until the end of this calendar year. when they canceled my policy of obamacare, i got 90 days notice, so we should not think that we have to do this all at once. we should do it in the light of day. we should do it incrementally so that everybody knows what's going on here in congress. >> congressman steve king of iowa, we appreciate your comments. >> thank you, peter. today we're asking you this microsoft pulse question, are you concerned about your health care being impacted by an obamacare repeal? what do you think? it's easy to do, go to pulse.nbcnews.copulse pulse.msnbc.com. we'll share results later in the broadcast. >> president-elect trump is weighing in on the new justice department investigation into the fbi's handling of the clinton email probe. we'll talk to someone who is pushing for an independent bipartisan review of what happened. and a new report finds the chicago police have been
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back to "msnbc live," the inspector general of the justice department will look into how the fbi including director james comey handled the investigation into hillary clinton's emails during the course of the presidential campaign. the investigation is going to cover the director's correspondence, that public disclosure, several of them, frankly, and whether anyone at justice or the fbi leaked non-public information. my colleague and friend nbc's kristen welker is here with me right now. nice to see you. walk me through what we're hearing from donald trump's team on this. you and i have been reporting this topic for the "today" show
and reaching out to folks in the transition. >> great to see you, too, peter. it's striking, donald trump is the one person lashing out in the wake of the news. president-elect donald trump's tweet earlier today "what are hillary clinton's people complaining about with respect to the fbi? based on the information they had she should have never been allowed to run, guilty as heck" he uses another word. "they were very nice to her. she lost because she campaigned in the wrong states, no enthusiasm." he continues to litigate this and become infuriated any questions surrounding the 2016 race. as we've been discussing he doesn't want anything casting a cloud over his victory. there's bipartisan support for this. what exactly is the doj inspector general looking at? a couple of things. we have a time line that striking announcement director comey in july i'm not going to recommend charges but he slammed secretary clinton for her use of a private email server, called
it extremely careless. remember what happened 11 days before the election the announcement he was looking into new emails that were found on anthony weiner's server, and then a few days later, hey, we didn't find anything in those emails. take a listen to what lawmakers are saying on capitol hill. >> it's classified and we can't tell you anything. all i can tell you is the fbi director has no credibility. >> i think steps were taken by the director of the fbi near the election which were not precedented. it had not ever happened before. his statement about whether there was going to be an opening of investigation, a closing of an investigation i don't think was fair, professional or consistent with the policies of the federal bureau of investigation. >> so those were democrats, but even jason chaffetz, republican chairman of the house oversight committee saying this is the right move. >> striking to see how bipartisan in terms of the frustrations with comey in some way. >> it is. i think that remember when he
came out and made that statement in july, remember how angry republicans were. >> donald trump said it's a disgrace. >> on the campaign trail he was out blasting him, repeatedly. some people think by the way that's why director comey felt the need to come out just 11 days before the election and say we've discovered some new emails, where you had a lot of criticism that republicans say was it really necessary for him to do that? did he break protocol. that's the question the i dprg be asking. were protocols broken? he's going to make recommendations at the end of this investigation. it's not like this is going to change the election results. this is going to be a series of this is what could be done better. he might recommend some punitive measures but we will avery to wait and see. it's just getting under way just a few days before the inauguration. >> still unclear whether the disclosures changed the trajectory of the rate. october 26th it was like a champagne bottle uncorked. >> i was on the plane with
secretary clinton and the team had just announced she was going to start campaigning in traditionally red arizona, and moments later this revelation that her email issue was coming to the fore again and you could feel the momentum start to seep out of her campaign. if you ask her officials did this cost her the election, they say we can't say that but they say is slowed her momentum at a critical moment. >> she's been public about those thoughts as well. director comey may have a hard time putting his public role in the clinton email issue aside while trying to focus on russian hacking. tuesday this exchange with senator angus king. >> mr. comey did you answer senator widen's question there's an investigation under way as to connections either of the political campaigns and the russians? >> i didn't say one way or another especially in a public forum, we never confirm or deny a pending investigation. >> the irony of your making that
statement here i cannot avoid, but i'll move on. >> so i want to bring in matt miller, former spokesman for attorney general eric holder and former director of the office of public affairs for the department of justice. thank you for being with us. appreciate your guidance on this topic. you heard senator king right there, i just want to get your take on that if you can very simply on director comey and ultimately on his credibility right now. >> i think ironic is one way to put it. i think director comey does have a problem going forward. the inspector general it's hard to see how he'll find anything other than his press conference in july and his letter in october were inappropriate, clear violations on the face of doj rules and i don't see how it will come to any other conclusion. where that leaves you going forward he's in a tough position wearing two hats. he's the person who is responsible for briefing donald trump on intelligence matters as we saw him do last friday and is responsible for overseeing the investigation into the trump campaign and whether there's any coordination with russia.
>> you write about this topic today in a column posted on "times" website i believe. you say "the impact on the ability of the fbi to conduct its probe of russian activity in the presidential campaign" is what you specifically talk about saying that is now, there will be an impact on it. so the bottom line is, what should be the outcome? what is the solution here to better resolve this a way that should satisfy all parties? >> two things have to happen. first with respect to the fbi, i think it's clear they can't continue to supervise under the current chain of command. dr. comey can't supervise the investigation and neither can attorney general sessions if he was confirmed. he was a member of the trump campaign, had an official position. he can't lead an investigation into that campaign. there has to be a special counsel appointed to lead an investigation that's completely independent. secondly i would say there are questions of criminal contact and basic questions about subversion of our democracy that the american public have a right to know, criminal investigation will never produce answers. we need a full bipartisan commission that has subpoena
authority and can produce a report. >> talk about the timing of this. we just discussed how it will not impact the outcome. it coming barely a week out from donald trump moving into the white house. lot of people will say so what if any difference will this make in real terms and what if any power does donald trump have in this process where he becomes. of the united states? >> in terms of the impact 2 can have, when the ig finishes investigation which could be months, could be a year, what he'll do is hopefully by making a public statement and having public findings, he will prescribe future fbi directors from every making these mistakes again. in terms of what donald trump can do, inspectors general serve at the pleasure of the president. they're supposed to be independent. they are independent, the cabinet officials they work for can't fire them. the president could fire this inspector general, it would be a saturday night massacre situation. >> speaking of resig nations the
"wall street journal" making this suggestion, raising this issue today saying james comey should resign. you don't think that's the resolution. >> i don't think he should resign. he's made incredible mistakes in his judgment but one thing he's shown throughout the career he'll be independent from pressure from the president. donald trump someone who trampled over democratic norms you wonder who would replace him, rudy giuliani it's a more dangerous situation. >> independent from political pressures but the fbi being accused of being politicized, everything being wrapped up into one big mess. nice to see you. appreciate it. the nation's intelligence leaders brief lawmakers in a closed door meeting on the topic of russian hacking intelligence. we'll talk to joaquin castro who was in the room for the briefing whether the obama administration shoulders some of the blame. ever try something so good, you get hungry just thinking about it?
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back now live on msnbc. the director of national intelligence james clapper and fbi director james comey briefed the house intelligence committee this morning on russia's hacking activity in this country. we bring in congressman joaquin castro, a member of the house intelligence committee. congressman castro thank you for being here. i want to get your take -- >> thanks for having me. >> -- from this morning's briefing. there's been significant frustration, a lot of it directed at the intelligence community but specifically director comey and his handling in the waning months of the election of the email investigation. what can you tell us about what happened behind closed doors? >> obviously it was a very informative presentation. i think there is both republican and democratic concern about getting to the bottom of what happened with the russian hacking, making sure that we go back and figure out what went wrong. >> what specifically needs resolution would you say? >> well, i think a whole body of
things. we need to figure out how it happened, why exactly it happened. there are of course things discussed there in a classified setting that i can't talk about, but also we need to go back and look at the fbi's response during the election period and whether that was appropriate. i see now that the ig decided to look into that which i think many members support, and then i think another big question that all of us want to know is, whether there was any cooperation between an american or americans and anybody part of the campaigns with those responsible for the russian hacking. that's going to be a question that's going to continue to linger and we're not going to let that question go. >> you said earlier in this week on that very topic that intelligence officials were investigating whether russia had any american help in its attempts to hack into democrats' emails. is there any indication, any evidence to the best of your knowledge at this point russians had help from anyone inside this country? >> well, i can't comment on that
now, but i think that it's going to be important for all of us for members of congress, but most of all for americans to understand the full extent of foreign interference with our elections. we know from reporting that russia has done this in other countries, and it's also important because going forward, unless we fight back strongly, russia's going to be encouraged to do this again. i don't think that vladimir putin is going to stop if he feels it was a weak response and he's going to do it to germany and other countries if he feels he can get away with it. >> how much responsibility does the obama administration carry in this situation? should they have acted sooner in responding to the evidence of russian hacking and would that have had any impact potentially on the election? could it shut it down? >> well, remember, the obama administration was fairly tough with russia. our relationship of course over the last several years has gone downhill, but remember, they gathered a group of nations to
kick russia out of, to get them out of the g7 or the g-8. they also imposed sanctions on russia. this is a similar pattern of russia interfering with other nations, in the case of the ukraine of course that was a physical intrusion into a country but it's a pattern by vladimir putin of interference with sovereign nations. >> your colleague congressman maxine waters said james comey had no credibility. is that your assessment? >> the competence of many members of congress was quite low getting out of that room but at the same time i will say this. i was asked the question should fbi director comey be called on to resign, and i would say the answer to that is no. i still trust his judgment, and his independence from the incoming president and the incoming administration more than i would trust anybody who
donald trump appoints to take that job right now. so even with all of the controversy, with everything that's gone on that we've seen so far, i would say that it would still be better to keep him in place as somebody who is independent and didn't come in through donald trump. >> congressman joaquin castro of texas, thank you for being here. appreciate your comments. >> thank you. >> let's see what you are saying about our microsoft pulse question. are you concerned about your healthcare being impacted by an obamacare repeal? 95% of you overwhelmingly say yes, that this is a concern right now, just 5% for the moment say no. eight not scientific, which is why we want to hear from more of you. keep voting at pulse.msnbc.com. >> attorney general loretta lynch says the chicago police department violated the civil rights of citizens through the use of excessive force. we'll have details about this alarming new report next live on msnbc. to do the best
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back live on msnbc, the other big story we're following at this hour the justice department scathing report winding widespread racial bias and unconstitutional policing in the chicago police department. the doj's 13mont long investigation was prompted by the shocking video of a white police officer shooting 17-year-old laqwan macdonald as he appeared to be running away from the police during a pursuit. rahm emmanuel initially resisted the investigation of the police department. gabe gutierrez, this was striking to see loretta lynch standing before the cameras making this assessment. what does it mean for the chicago police department right now, and moving forward into the future? >> hi there, peter, good afternoon. there are many questions
regarding that considering that the trump administration will be taking over, and its nominee for attorney general, jeff sessions, has said that he's not a fan of using federal courts to bring about local police reform. the local from term order of police, the head of the fop is also calling this a rush job but let's take a look right now at some of the things found in this report, if we can put those up. the attorney general loretta lynch said there was a pattern or practice of using force including deadly force in violation of the fourth amendment by the chicago police department. also a failure to collect adequate data to determine whether force was used correctly and that there was low officer morale and low officer accountability and also severely deficient training within the chicago police department, including that during the police academy, some trainees were viewing videos, training videos that were in some cases decades
old. >> during the course of our investigation, the department heard from countless officers who were themselves disillusioned and discouraged by strained trust, by inadequate training, poor oversight and inattention to officer wellness and safety. those officers are proud to wear the badge, but they recognize that they lack the support, both from the community and from the city, to properly do their jobs, and they understand that repair and trust with the communities that they serve will require difficult and meaningful reforms. >> this morning for the first time chicago mayor rahm emmanuel said that for the first time he said that the city had agreed in principle to begin negotiations on an independently monitored court enforced consent decree. peter? >> gabe gutierrez with what was a significant announcement out of chicago today, thank you for the update. when we come back president-elect donald trump's
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control agreement. it's not a friendship treaty, but when america gives her word, we have to live up to it and work with our allies. >> we are going to build a wall, if they ever get up they're saying oh man how do i get down? >> the physical barrier itself will not do the job. it has to be a layered defense. >> jack kingston, former republican congressman from georgia down the campaign, december he spoke with american business groups in moscow what to expect from the trump administration. >> good to be here. >> you saw issues on russia, nato, torture, climate change. there seemed to be a chasm in effect what donald trump said routinely during the source of the campaign and what other officials are saying. the question for americans trying to sort this out, who will be driving the train going forward? will these choices moderate donald trump's position or is it
his past positions that will be driving the administration's policies? >> i think we're seeing two different things. number one, we are seeing a leader who does not hire a yes man. he does want the thoughts and processes, when he sat down with general flynn and general mattis and asked about waterboarding and they had a different view, he came out and said you know, i'm glad they said that. he didn't necessarily say he was in charge. >> the question is ultimately what the decision is that he makes, right? >> yes but i think i guess number one, he does not want to be surrounded by yes people. number two, part of shifting from campaign rhetoric to governing is a somewhat of a moderation in listening to things. doesn't mean you're backing off your campaign promises. for example, as a republican activist who supports immigration reform, i can say that what we really want is immigration security. we would like a wall, but that wall can be a cyber wall. that wall is a barrier and there's discussion who pays for it. there are ways through
renegotiating nafta you can get money back from mexico, but the foremost goal is immigration reform. immigration security. >> the bottom line in cases like the wall he said it would be a physical barrier. you heard what john kelly said, he wasn't in agreement necessarily that was the means by which this would be accomplished. the question americans are trying to pin down right now, and in seven days we'll find out with more certainty i guess is whether it's trump driving or the cabinet picks driving. >> trust me it will be donald trump. in some places like san diego during the campaign, i went out and looked at that 13-mile wall there and it's very effective, but in other areas and i've been in some of the border areas of texas, you could do it by cyber security or by drones or whatever, but in time, if it makes sense to build a wall, we'd want to do that but it's miles and miles of walls. keep in mind this legislation passed with hillary clinton support back in 2005, but it's taken a while to start building this. >> let's wait and see what
donald trump does on that specifically. your trip to russia recently, you spoke to some businesses there that want to know what's happening going forward. did you talk sanctions? what guidance did you give hem on what they should expect as this incoming trump administration is certain to have a different relationship as he describes it much friendlier than the one the administration has right now? >> wearing my private sector hat with the law firm i spoke to the american chamber over there. he had done pre and post election reviews in many of the international cities so i was in moscow and the companies who are in moscow have been there for many years, companies like ibm, procter & gamble, caterpillar tractor since 1930, these are fortune 500 american companies who hire americans overseas along with russians and they want a good business climate, and in 2011, president obama created a russian-american business council. it was a good opportunity for communication and so forth, but he disbanded it after crimea was
invaded. >> annexed. >> and you know we understand that. but to open up the line of communications on a commerce level between businesses in both nations is a positive thing. >> the simple question, yes or no. are you able to satisfy questions about whether sanctions will or will not be relieved when donald trump takes office? >> i think that's up for discussion. there are some who say you need to double down, they're not working. others saying maybe you should take another look at it. you want a good cooperative relationship with another superpower around the globe, see if we can defeat isis together and bring peace to syria, see if we can bring down some of the nuclear tensions and stop hacking. >> we wait and see. jack dingston, thanks forring. here. just a week remaining in barack obama's presidency. chris jansing sits down with the president's senior adviser and confidant, valerie jarrett reflecting on the president's legacy. ol. i want to trim my a1c. when my schedule changes... i want something that delivers.
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president obama has just eight days left in office beforehanding over power to donald trump. my colleague, chris jansing, sat down with a rare interview for the two people closest to the first family, valerie jarrett, and tina chin. hard to get these two together and in front of the camera. well done. >> reporter: in fact, they told me, they had never done an interview like this. it was a very personal one about what they think they've accomplished, what they think about the first couple. both of them, as you know, peter had very lucrative jobs in the private sector when they decided to come to work for the obamas, so i asked them, what made you want to leave where you were, your home, your family and come to 1600 pennsylvania avenue? here's what they told me. >> they're both really funny. we have more times laughing. >> reporter: who's funnier? >> well, my boss. >> what? stop! >> they banter back and forth.
you would buy tickets to watch the two of them. >> because they're both competitive. >> reporter: give me an example. >> the convention speeches. >> of course. >> the first lady went first. >> when someone is cruel or acts like a bull y you don't stoop to their level. no, our motto is, when they go low, we go high. >> he was so proud of her. >> but, boy, de go back and work on his a little further afterwards. but still, they motivate each other in a very important way. >> michelle, for the past 25 years you have not only been my wife and mother of my children, you have been my best friend. >> they share the same set of values and a vision for america and a dedication to public service that is second to none. >> reporter: last week, valerie, in her speeches first lady michelle obama got very emotional. >> being your first lady has been the greatest honor of my life. and i hope i've made you proud.
>> reporter: did she have doubts about that? >> now you're going to make me cry again, just repeating that line. i think she's very proud of the work she's done, but i think she also -- one of the things the two of them have is some humility about who they are and what they are. >> reporter: how have they navigated two teenagers, who weren't teenagers, frankly, when they came in? >> i think the president would give the first lady a lot of the credit for just being an amazing mother to have come in the white house and said, to some critics, that her first priority was going to be ensuring their smooth transition. >> malia and sasha, under the strangest of circumstances, you have become two amazing young women. >> i think he's worked very hard to be a present father. and we check our watches at about 6:15 each evening because we know by 6:30, he needs to be on his way upstairs because dinner will not wait for him. >> reporter: you both have been up close and personal witness to
history. favorite moment with president obama? >> it was the night the affordable care act passed. and i walked up to him and i said, feels like the same, you know, warmth and enthusiasm and excitement that i felt on election night. i said, how dot two nights compare to you? he said, valleerie, there's no comparison. election night was all about getting to tonight. i said to myself, that's why we're here. >> reporter: so, what's next for them and the obamas, for that matter? they said, sleep, first of all, sleep. then they will continue to work on some of the issues that they have really championshiped over the last eight years here at the white house, although both of them, peter, are going back to the private sector. >> what a great conversation, chris. it's so nice to hear those privateeflections as well. chris jansing at the white house. thank you. tonight, by the way, lester lt sits down with president obamaboers air force one. it's a "dateline" nbc special called "barack obama: the
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