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this is a live look at the crowd. hello, everyone. it's high noon in the east, 9:00 out west. here's what's happening. right to hans nichols at the march. what's the latest and can you talk about the goal of this march? >> reporter: the goal is to bring awareness. what we have is a great deal of passion, a great deal of enthusiasm. i'm not going to hazard a crowd estimate but it's been growing all morning and the message is we will not be moved. reverend al sharpton trying to bring attention there talking about civil rights, about police brutality. those have been the themes all morning. we're wait iing to hear more he. it must be said there's a light rain. the morning started off with sleet. so in some ways this crowd might have been even bigger had the weather been a little more cooperative. >> all right, hans nichols, we'll continue to check in with you throughout the afternoon. msnbc's joy reid, good morning
to you. >> good morning. >> i came into the studio this morning, where is -- that's right. >> we're changing in. >> i interested in your perspective here, the significance of the march really just two days from the day honoring martin luther king jr. and less than a week before donald trump is inaugurated. your perspective? >> it does feel we are traveling back in time to a period in time activism and civic activism and civil rights activism was kr critical. donald trump has vowed to do things that are troubling to people who care about civil rights and human rights whether it's deporting, mass deport iin people who are undocumented in this country or going after our muslim neighbors and banning people of the muslim faith from coming into the united states or surveilling their mosques and neighborhoods. and on and on and on. he's nominated jeff sessions who
has spent much of his life as an opponent of civil rights, whether that's voting rights or things like consent decrease which help mitigate police brutality. i think the difference, though, you're going to have that activism on the street. when john lewis was out there marching and when reverend al sharpton was a little kid coming up under king, at that time they could look to the federal government as kind of the last line of defense. >> are you surprised congressman lewis said, you know what, i don't see this president as legitimate. >> right now he's this wonderful, kind ly figure. he is a kind and good man. in his youth, he was the black
lives matter activist in his day. he was the person who was for more radical action. king was constantly trying to pull him back. he wanted to give a speech at the march on washington in 1963 that was essentially condemning the kennedy administration as doing nothing, as saying you won't even stand up for young people who are being beaten and killed in the streets. what good is the federal government if you're willing to fight the vietcong but not for americans. he wanted to give this fiery radical speech and was pulled back by king. so it's interesting that even in his job as a congressman and a very august person he still has that instinct that you have to fight hard for justice. you have to be willing to say the unsayable. in order to get people to be stirred to action. he's calling the resistance to action and people need -- they need someone who is willing to go out there on that limb and i think that's what he's doing. i think it was a mistake for donald trump to attack him. >> i was going to ask you about
that. >> i think that was a big mistake. >> i was saying when you grow up, let's say you're at church, the elders of the church, your grandparents, they can say what they want. they've earned the right. whether you agree or disagree let them give their opinion and you don't say anything. that's not the rule? my former boss texted me eaier today and said i think something is very profound. when you have been beaten and bloodied in the cause of civil rights, you kind of get to say a few things, and people don't have to necessarily answer you back. and i think it's also petty. the eye dough the idea you're g president of the united states, he keeps being given the opportunity to be bigger, he's been a showman, a carnival clown for a lot of his life seeking attention. he keeps failing the test. at a certain point the softball of all softballs is to not attack john lewis, civil rights legend on martin luther king weekend. that's a softball. he missed it.
>> anytime we have conversations like this, i feel like i get people on twitter and you can't hear someone scream but you can feel it in their text. what about the other side? what do you say to critics who say is there an easy answer as to whether donald trump deserves the opportunity to go into the office without accusations of ill legitimacy clouding his presidency even before he's sworn in? what would you say to people who are screaming that? >> let me pose another, did barack obama have the right to come in without questions being raised underlied questions about his birth. donald trump is the person who became the leader of the movement to delegitimize president barack obama, to disrespect him for eight years. donald trump didn't give up on birtherism until 2016. he just stopped searching for the real birth certificate. so the reality is republicans themselves withdrew the requirement that a president of the united states gets an
automatic conferral. they refused to the point mitch mcconnell and other republicans in office said he's not even allowed to pass any law. we will filibuster anything he does no matter how minor even if it's our own bill. we'll say he can't pass laws, he can't make laws. if he manages to get one through the first thing we'll come in with the affordable care act and erase it from the books, obliterate it root and branch is what they've said. republicans have refused tore eight years to confer the proper respect, dignity and liberty upon president barack obama. they're really not in a position to demand that legitimacy be on donald trump. john lewis isn't saying he's illegitimate because he's a republican but for a foreign power to intervene in our election and to help decide who wins. that is something unprecedented in american history. we don't have our presidents installed by foreign powers and if there was even any assistance from a hostile foreign power,
that is a legitimacy test. i don't think john lewis was dissing president-elect trump just to be dissing him or because he's a partisan. i think he's raising a serious question that i wish republicans would raise. i wish republicans would step up and defend the presidency of the you states against foreign intervention. so far very few are doing it. >> this is an excellent conversation. you ut that in 140 characters, tweet it. i'll re-tweet it. >> i'm on it. eet storm comin up. >> joy reid, as always, thank you. >> thank you, sheinelle. >> coming up, martin luther king iii gives us his thoughts about his father's legacy, president obama's accomplishments and his message to president-elect donald trump about fixing the voting system in this country at 1:00 eastern right here on msnbc. a final signoff from 44 today. president barack obama delivered his very last weekly address reflecting on his time in office and urging americans to take action. >> if you're tired of arguing with strangers on the internet,
try to talk with one in real life. if something needs fixing, lace up your shoes and do some organizing. if you're disappointed by your elected officials, grab a clipboard, get some signatures and run for office yourself. >> with just six days to go broadway actress jennifer holliday canceled her performance at donald trump's inauguration under pressure from lbgt fans. she penned an open letter this morning explaining she, quote, wanted my voice to be a healing and unifying force for hope but hadn't realized the performance might be seen as an endorsement of trump. donald trump is hitting back today after longtime democratic congressman john lewis said he doesn't believe trump is, quote, an ill le jegitimate president. in a pair of tweets he accused lewis of being all talk and, quote, spend more time on fixing his district. and late last night the senate intelligence committee said it will investigate possible ties between the trump campaign and
russia. the bipartisan effort will look more broadly at russia's attempts to influence american politics. let's bring in political reporter for real clear politics. i interviewed her on "the today" show this morning. you changed clothes, you have a nap. you're ready. let's start with this new information into potential ties between the trump camp and russia. do you think the timing of this investigation could be damaging to his administration? >> this is a really big deal since republicans were opposed to having this kind of investigation and later the senate chairman of the intelligence committee said we're going to go through with it. looking at a potential tie between russia and members of donald trump's campaign. d this comes as we talked about this morning democrats really upset with the fbi right
now because they don't think they've taken an aggressive enough stance in investigating this. the fbi hasn't said whether they will. a lot of republicans who want to go forward with the investigation but don't want to undermine the incoming president. >> is there a political component to this, a positioning behind this investigation? what's your thought about that? >> you have john mccain, graham, marco rubio who want to take a harder line on russia, who want to investigate. they have been making the argument that, look, the election is over. we're not relitigating any of it. the results are the results. we want to make sure it doesn't happen again. you're hearing democrats want to be more aggressive on this, too, and they're not exactly rushing to the defense of donald trump. the whole backdrop donald trump
until this past wednesday at his press conference had not acknowledged russia was behind the hacking. this week he said i think it was russia. maybe it was another country. that is the biggest news this week in terms of his acknowledgement this has happened. >> we could talk for an entire segment. the world is watching. optics aside, what tangible effects could this have on our government in your opinion? >> it depends what they find they have vowed to be transparent with presenting unclassified information and a lot of classified information here. but what's really important this is something that will hover over the presidency of donald trump. he's going to be inaugurated next week. if they find any kind of attachment between the campaign and russia, that will be really key and, of course, you have democrats that are really looking for some of these clues. lots of democrats say that in a close election, all of these little kinds of things could have mattered. >> sure. i want to switch gears for a moment. we talk about this, the first steps to repeal the affordable care act, obamacare.
it tell me this, if they don't have a replacement in place, swap one for another, what are the risks from a political standpoint for republicans? obviously that is a concern. >> risks are very high for republicans right now. you've heard how republicans are the dog that finally caught up with the car because they've been passing repeal efforts for several years now knowing that the president was never going to sign them. now they have a republican president who will sign a repeal law who, in fact, campaigned on a repeal law. lots of republicans in congress campaigned on that, too. so they believe they have a mandate to repeal and replace the health care law, but they're battling the idea of now once they take it away they will be responsible for the outcome. and they can repeal it on their own by all these measures. to actually replace this bill with something else, they'll need democratic support and it that will take time in the negotiating process. donald trump wants to get this it done very quickly.
republicans in congress want to, too. they already passed a bill to get that emotion before donald trump's elected -- sorry, inaugurated. but they know this will take a lot of time. it's very complicated both in the policy and the political aspects of it. >> we've heard from so many ople lately saying i have cancer and thanks to the affordable care act i can afford treatment. it's high but at least i can afford it. i can't imagine any time lapse where people wouldn't be screaming from coast to coast. >> right. and that's the biggest concern getting 20 million people who are affected by this, who have insurance and, of course, the obama administration has been saying that there have been increases in the number of insured. what to do with those people who are insured, republicans don't want to take their health coverage away from them. >> they've been screaming about this. >> exactly. and they don't have a single bill that they've coalesced around yet. trump and republican leaders say they want to replace it with something. the public wants it to be replaced with something and f d
finding out the balance will be really the focus of the hearing for tom price who is the health and human services nominee. >> we'll have to leave it there. good to see you again. have a good weekend. now to the breaking news on the weather. millions are in line of a dangerous winter ice storm targeting the nation's midsection. overnight icy roads triggered this 20-car pileup in wichita, kansas. authorities are also worried about residents losing power because of ice building up on power lines and snapping them. to the west, heavy snowfall is making driving dangerous this is in utah. poor visibility led to this crash. when a tractor-trailer hit a snowplow. police say the driver has serious injuries after rolling several hundred feet down an embankment. msnbc meteorologist bonnie schneider is keeping an eye on the storm. i grew up in wichita, kansas. folks are still out driving. it's a busy saturday afternoon for a lot of people. >> i'm glad we're starting there because looking over the next few hours we do have more fre e
freezing rain coming in so even though there are waves of the ra coming in, it means maybe you get a eaer. it's not over yet. so as we look at this and to the future you can see we have plenty of freezing rain working its way into the overnight period into kansas city as well. that's something we're watching very, very closely. and the rain is well behind it. that's coming into chicago. this is a three-day event. taking a closer look at the highways impacted where we've had multiple reports of accidents and freezing rain from oklahoma all the way to missouri, you can see on i-44, 244, and into 35 we're getting freezing rain. much of it is light in terms of intensity but it adds up and that is why we have about 24 million people that are under either a freezing rain advisory or an ice storm warning you across the country. that's a lot of people as we go through the next few days. temperatures really come into play. as we go through the warmer part of the afternoon we're get to go freezing or slightly above, so
maybe we get more rain than freezing rain but it's not going to last. the ice storm we're dealing with has plenty of warm, moist air to deal with and of course the cold arctic air. as the warm air overrides the colder air, in this particular instance we're not going to see a lot of snow. we're not going to see a lot of rain. we are anticipating freezing rain meaning once the water hits the surface it becomes ice even if it's your driveway, we could get the glaze of ice. this is where it will be worst into texas and parts of oklahoma. look for the intensity to pick up tonight and into tomorrow. a three-day threat. we're watching out for power outages, sheinelle, and these could be long in duration. even a quarter of an inch can make a huge difference. >> take it seriously. we're still in the think of it. thank you. >> sure. less than a week left in office. we'll examine the biggest impact president obama has had on politics as well as pop culture with h family. and happening now in our nation's capital a live look it athe we shall not be moved rally. thousands taking part.
we are following a civil rights rally. organizers want to bring awareness to a number of issues they fear could be at jeopardy under the new administration including police brutality, voting rights and mass deportation. now a glimpse of what it's been like behind the scenes at the white house for the past eight years. today we're hearing from president obama's speechwriters who tell us about their favorite speeches and personal moments with the president. senior white house correspondent chris jansing has more. these two have been with the president from the beginning. >> reporter: when barack obama
wowed the 2004 democratic convention with his speech, he was only a state senators from illinois running for u.s. senate. since that time only a handful have helped craft his speeches. >> best case scenario he says i think th is pretty good. theellow legal pad comes out and he blows up the whole thing. >> i'll not forget the speech co cody was lead on, the selma speech, an amazing speech. >> the americans who cross this bridge were not physically imposing but they gave courage to millions. they held no elect ed office bu they led a nation. >> the first draft closest to what he wanted. >> so much is comforting people after tragedy. cody has written far too many,
tucson or newtown. >> this prompts reflection and debate as it should. let's make sure it's worthy of those we have lost. >> so much of being president to americans is how do they experience their president, how does he speak to them in tragedy, how does he represent them on the world stage, what does he say in a time of crisis? i think we're proud those speeches he's given this filt that space and some of them will endure after he's president. >> writing for barack obama is a wonderful struggle. he's so good at it that we will kill ourselves on the first draft just to get it right and there are times where i've called him at 2:00 in the morning knowing he would be feeding one of his kids, i need to come over and we'll help each other through it. >> single malt scotch doesn't hurt. >> depends on the season. we're playing on house money. the first night we met in the chicago office we were down double digits in iowa.
>> so why did you sign on with hem? >> i believed. i still do. >> i was -- you know, it was a huge bet. there was just something in what he had been saying that resonated with me from the first time i heard him speech and the tonight to work for him and help craft the message was something i knew i could never turn down. >> the stuff we were dreaming about in a bar in 2007, we've been able to watch it made real. he takes it personally when things get held up, when things fail. he knows it has direct consequences for people but to see him playing with ben's kid, you know, a photo went viral, he was kind enough to let us bring our families to the white house on our wedding day to spend time with him. i think he takes a real parental sense of pride in everyone who works here. >> a lot of folks here have talked about the fact they've been surprised how emotional this week has been. maybe not as much for cody keenan and ben rhodes, both of
them will it continue their work with the obamas after january 20th. sheinelle? >> very good. thank you, chris. what is the biggest concern for hundreds of thousands of people in washington state if balm care is repealed? and happening now a live look at the we shall not be moved rally where thousands are taking part as they insist on a change in accountability. i'll let you listen in for a bit. >> one of the central park five. we know -- we know how to fight trump. an example of how we're going to fight. a man shot and killed with a question of mentality in san diego, california, albert alonzo, his father joins us. richard olango.
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president obama and the first family in their final week in the white house. the president says they're ready to move on. the obamas came to washington with two young daughters who have grown into young women. >> the girls obvious ly are now of an age in which the constraints of secret service and bubbles has gotten pretty old. michelle never fully took to the scrutiny. she's thrived as a first lady but it's not her preference. >> with me now is david from e
"the washington post," the author of "barack obama -- the story." thank you for joining me this morning. >> always great to be with you, sche schemm sheinelle. >> the scrutiny that comes with living in the bubble as he puts it, certainly isn't the first time you've covered members of the first family. does anyone ever take to the scrutiny? >> it's true of every first family but the obamas went through it with remarkable normalcy and dignity. >> let's play one more part of the "60 minutes" interview and i'll get your reaction. >> sure. >> part of the job description is shaping public opinion. and we were very effective in shaping public opinion around my campaigns but big stretches while governing though we were doing the right thing we weren't
able to mobilize public opinion firmly enough behind us to weaken the resolve of republicans to stop opposing us. >> every president comes in with high hopes but then obviously the reality of congress and washington gridlock hits quickly. you heard him address his disappointments on garnering public opinion for key priorities. what have you learned about president obama that gives us a sense of why shaping public opinion for him wasn't as easy when it comes to governing? >> well, i would never call president obama naive, but the rhetoric that he used in getting elected in terms of hopes and so on face the reality of an opposition that from the very beginning was trying to deleg delegitimize him. it took him several years to come to grips with what he really was facing. and you combine that with the fact that he was the first
african-american president, and the reality of being black in america and not being too strident, in trying to be the president for everyone, which is barack obama's natural inclination, all combined to make it somewhat more difficult for him to develop that sort of voice that would rally behind him. >> on the flip side of that, the president did pass, in his opinion, some of his biggest priorities, like health care. in your opinion, how will his legacy be shaped? a lot of people are asking the question, if the law is repealed. i wonder a ga zillion years from now if it is repealed, if they do something else, strip it and use its parts, will he get credit or how will it shape his legacy if it's repealed? >> i don't think they can ever go back to having millions and millions of people off health insurance. however they change it, it will be partly rhetorical. i think he will be remembered for that. and i've been thinking about mething else the last week
which is that it was 60 years ago that jackie robinson retired. and how do we remember jackie robinson today? as the first, the pioneer, the first black player to break the color line in professional sports. he did it with dignity and with talent. i think that 60 years from now, you know, we somehow try to diminish the importance of what barack obama did and meant but i think that will only grow with time because of what he did in being the first black president and also because he did it with dignity and talent. >> on that note, i want to play a part of the president's farewell address and this time he was talking about his wife michelle. listen to this. >> you took on a role, you didn't ask for it, and you made it your own with grace and with grit and with style and good humor.
you made the white house a place that belongs to everybody, and a new generation sets its sights higher because it has you as a role model. you have made me proud and you have made the country proud. >> that was a very humanizing moment forhe president. it reflects who he is and it strikes me that the capacity to show some emotion. it's endearing to the public. president bush seemed to have that capacity sometimes as well. do you think donald trump has that somewhere and how important, in your opinion, is it for a president to show, i don't know, empathy or show that he's moved by things? >> there are very key times in every presidency when that is extremely important. bill clinton was able to do it. after the oklahoma city bombing,
george w. bush was able to do it after 9/11. barack obama did it in charleston and other places after the shootings. and that emotional connection which has to do with familiy an a larger commonality of the american experience is something that's very important for every president and it's not at all clear that donald trump has that capacity. >> i have to tell you i feel like i remember watching trump on election night, and i feel like i saw a little piece of it. would you agree? people were waiting to pounce, frankly, and then he -- people were waiting to pounce. >> there's very little in his life that shows it. i don't think you'll see that between he and his wife. she might not even come to
washington. and his children, he gets praised for raising his children. we'll see how thatlaysut in terms of his businesses and their involvement in the presidency. there are just a lot of questions there and you can only hope for the best. >> two different men here. i should end with the book, an easy question for you maybe, maybe not, what's your biggest takeaway? you mentioned the fact his try will look back kind. right in this moment what's your takeaway? >> there couldn't be a starker contrast between what's leaving and what's coming in. >> you want me to leave it there? i'll put a period there. it was a great conversation. i hope to get the chance to talk to you again. david maraniss. >> i hope so, sheinelle. >> repeal and replace obamacare. is it more of a slogan or will the country see a new option?
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what is the desert? it's absolutely what you need right now. absolutely scottsdale. steps to begin the process of repealing obamacare passed in both houses of congress this week. now comes the hard part, figu figuring out how to replace the affordable health care act without stripping americans of benefits, benefits donald trump says are hard to come by in the first place. >> we're going to get health care taken care of in this country. you have deductibles that are so high that after people go broke paying their premiums, which are going through the roof, the health care can't even be used by them because the deductibles are so high. >> joining me is washington governor, a democrat. >> it's an important topic. >> can you first respond to the
claim even after paying high probl premium, it's high. they can be as high as $14,000, according to "the new york times." can you speak to what donald trump was just saying? >> one of the more powerful voices a woman named chris yesterday i met with her in seattle, and she is a double mastectomy cancer survivor. she was talking about some of these issues. yeah, there may be ways to improve the bill. without obamacare i would be dead. now that's pretty powerful language from a woman saying i would be dead without this. so it's going to be morally reprehensible if the republicans repeal this without replacing it. fortunately we have more republican voices following the lead of the american people saying, look, you can't repeal this without providing a replacement simultaneously. it would be like goi in for dialysis -- i know how important that is. my mom was in dialysis.
and have someone come in and take your machine away. we'll bring you maybe a better machine two or three years from now. that just doesn't cut it. i think it's a fight that's not over, it's just beginning. once we show voices will be heard on this, you cannot take away treatment for cancer without replacing it on the same day. and once you do that, the republicans will then have to craft a very complicated bill rather than to provide a bumper sticker. they don't have a clue how to do that. we have a fair chance if the american people speak to maintain the fundamental protection of this very important law. >> i was just about to ask you about that. what are your constituents saying about the cost, it's so interesting to me because it felt like there for a while people were screaming so loudly about obamacare and didn't want
it and now these heartwrenching stories from cancer patients and all these folks. i don't want to say where were they when, but it's so interesting because a lot of people are saying, well, my goodness i wish i had heard this story before. >> first economically we've had real success in washington state. it has gone down because of this law and our protections now if you have a pre-existing condition, you can now get insurance. 30%, 40% have some pre-existing condition so you don't get locked into a job. people are now starting to understand it's like anything else. you don't appreciate itntil someone will take it away from you. we had three people, a heart attack patient, one had a severe respiratory problem. i told you about chris who had a double mastectomy. these people value the bill big time and that's why we have to
protect it. the republicans have said they would like to replace this with something that does protect people to get insurance if you have pre-existing conditions. that's great if you can fashion something. you can't just give people that protection without having some way to require more people in the insurance pool. within two years of doing what the republicans are now doing what they want to do, you could not buy an insurance policy, an individual policy in the state of washington because you have to have a meaningful successful market. now that the voices of americans will be heard, they will say this. hey, don't take away my cancer coverage. until you replace it with something. this is complex. there's a reason after six years
republicans don't have a clue. it's hard. it's complicated. >> it is complicated. during the campaign lot of people were saying there may be issues but let's tweak it. don't throw it out. what do you think? >> i think there may be ways to improve the law. they rename it and keep the fundamental structure of this i think would be great. i'm governor of the state of washington. if they get a lump in their breast, a woman with get it seen today. that's at risk now because of what the republicans are doing. i don't think they will stand without providing meaningful replacement and they have a long, long ways until the
republicans could come up with a meaningful way. we're going to be vocal, not allow this to happen. we'll be in this fight. the people i'm working for. >> have to leave it there. governor, thank you for your perspective. >> thanks for caring. still ahead, why is donald trump's national security adviser catching heat for reportedly talking to the russians? the timing makes some suspicious. that's ahead. >>announcer: you must be strong.
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45th president of the united states. >> there you go, president barack obama seen there in his final view as president. veteran of two presidential transitions and elise jordan, former adviser to senator rand paul and msnbc political analyst. good afternoon to both of you. >> thanks for having us. >> do you agree with the president here? are people underestimating president-elect donald trump? >> absolutely. how is it that a 70-year-old white man who doesn't use e-mail ran circles around the obama gurus and social networking experts that hillary clinton had and won the presidency? and second, has now found a way to fulfill the dream of every politician, to ignore the m and go direct ly to the voters. >> i wonder if that's sustainable? >> i think we're going to see, will have to see how much he can deliver on the pretty big
promises that he made on the campaign trail and how long his supporters stay with him and don't grow frustrate d if he isn't able to realize those visions. >> i wonder about that. what if, what if and we'll have to see what he's going to do. we frankly don't know. >> where do his supporters go? >> twitter? just kidding. >> don't trust government. in same distrust category. the same high level of distrust. so people don't really have anything to lose to stay with him for a while because he's really the only hope at the moment. >> here is the problem i foresee. his approval rating going into office is the lowest of any president-elect heading into inauguration day. barack obama, i think, is about 20 points ahead of donald trump in favorability. this is a problem for donald
trump. he's having a bad honeymoon right now and i think someone, some commentator put it, the marriage usually doesn't turn out that well after a bad money moon. he has a lot of work to do to get the public behind him and win back their trust. >> this morning trump tweeted about the newly public dossier that alleges his ties to russia calling it a complete fraud. according to the director, there's been no judgment made about the reliability of the dossier but that document or story, do you think that's fair game? >> i think it was fair game because it had been discussed so much in the media in vague generalities and then buzz feed did a public service putting it out there with caveats saying a lot of this doesn't check out. i do think that was a public service because in the new information age it's unfair to have elites debating one thing, the media, and our small circle
and then the people being left out and not able to draw their own conclusions. >> even if it's unverified? >> yes. every city and town in america had multiple newspapers. there were viewpoints and the public was expected to read as many of those as they wanted to and try to form their own opinion. when you have such high mistrust of the media now, almost very small pockets of investigative journalism like buzz feed and others that are probably going to be providing transparency. >> you know top house democrat john lewis had some tough words, if you want to put it that way for trump. let's take a listen. >> i don't see the president-elect as a legitimate president.
i think the russians participated in helping this man get elected and helped destroy the candidacy of hillary clinton. >> peter, should democrats still be fighting this battle, if you will, or is it time to say, kumbaya. what's your take? >> the personal well is i defer to john lewis because of his extraordinary ethical and moral high ground that he's maintained for decades. one of the rare individuals in american politics. >> which is why i think there's been a collective -- with that. but it's true. >> i do respect the office of the president. i do not respect donald trump. warren buffett said we should respect the president-elect. no. we don't have to. i can't get past what he did to women, to women who were
emotionally and physically challenged. even if he rebuilds america and makes it great again, there's still going to be a significant portion of me that will be unable to forgive. now john lewis has the capacity for forgiveness that no human mortal i've ever met has. if he feels that way he's standing up for whatis head took in terms of physical blows and the dog bites -- >> literally. and the dog bites he suffered. i will hope that he does. >> i'll give you the last word. >> it shocks me that donald trump goes out of his way to criticize john lewis, an american civil rights icon, yet he won't criticize vladimir putin. it's baffling. >> he can't help himself. >> a story we are going to follow over the next six months, the entirety of donald trump's
presidency. what is his allegiance to russia? >> we'll have to leave it there. a great conversation as always. shall we do it again soon? >> i hope so. >> thank you. take a look at this. this is a word cloud associated with president-elect donald trump. we're going to tell you what it's all about coming up in our next hour. and we are monitoring a rally, thousands are attending in washington, d.c., as we speak. the message participants want the president-elect to hear in just a few minutes. beyond is a natural pet food that goes beyond assuming ingredients are safe... to knowing they are. going beyond expectations... because our pets deserve it. beyond. natural pet food. that's how i feel about blue-emu pain relief spray. odorless and fast-acting. it soothes all my muscle aches and pains. and it's convenient for those hard to reach places. and if you're like me, you'll love blue-emu super strength cream. it's made with real emu oil, it's non greasy,