tv Lockup Corcoran - Extended Stay MSNBC January 15, 2017 10:00pm-11:01pm PST
america's prisons, america's prisons, dangerous, often deadly. there are 2 million people doing time. every day is a battle to survive and to maintain order. >> down on your feet! down! >> among the nation's toughest, california state prison corcoran. severely overcrowded and plagued by racial tension. we spent months inside where officers try to maintain order in an institution with a notoriously violent past. this is "lockup - corcoran:
extended stay." violence seems inevitable in prison. >> get down. get down! >> whether it stems from racial tension -- >> they took our tape. every other race got the tape. >> -- or dispute between cellmates -- >> he stabbed me with a cigarette lighter. >> being trapped in a cell with a big-ass cellie who's going to beat the hell out of you or chop you up. you don't know what a man is thinking in prison. >> it's the officers' job to prevent these attacks, and it's their lives on the line. >> get down! get down! >> let me see your hands, sally. put your hands up! corcoran's a maximum security prison in the
california state penal system. we house approximately 5,600 felons. >> this population includes infamous criminals like juan corona, sirhan sirhan, and charles manson. built to hold the most violent offenders in the state, corcoran has seen its share of brutality. today, a fresh group of inmates arrives at receiving and release, no doubt aware of this prison's reputation. >> when i get on the bus, they called your names out to come off the bus, and they're teary-eyed coming to corcoran. it's a shock to them. i guess they have heard a lot about corcoran. >> what do you know about corcoran? >> what i know? i know it ain't no joke. that's what i know. i know this is serious business. >> corcoran is a pretty rough
prison here. if you get a draw, it's one of the rougher prisons. >> this is how serious it is. it's a life or death situation. pretty much, yeah. it is like that. i don't care what they tell you. it is like that. okay? it is hardcore like that. >> corcoran's general population inmates are split into three main yards. the level one yard consists mainly of low-security inmates, many of whom are in on parole violations. "b" yard holds the medium-security level three inmates. and "a" yard is home to the maximum security level four inmates who are serving time for more violent crimes. but first they have to get past sergeant rangel. >> i'm currently assigned as a receiving and release sergeant
here at corcoran state prison. i'm responsible for the intake of the inmates and the outgoing, departure inmates, paroling, going to court, transferring to another institution. we'll get them processed, i.d.'d, medical attention, a little orientation speech. what's your number? date of birth? >> 4/3/81. >> how old are you? >> 26. >> how much do you weigh? >> i weigh about 150. >> how tall are you? >> about 6'2". >> how many times have you been coming back, in and out? >> this is my sixth time in prison. >> sixth? >> yes, sir. >> can you fill up with anybody on the yard? >> i can, but i prefer to be with the whites. you know the politics. >> okay. we're going to find you a bunk in the low tier bottom bunk. first tier. he's ready to go. >> all right. let's go. >> when i interviewed him earlier, he could only be housed
with his same race, which is white. he wouldn't house with any other ethnic group. >> given the potential for cell mate violence this inmate's request for a same-race arrangement is not uncommon. >> it's not race or nothing like that, it's just -- >> right. >> people just stay with their own race. it's just been like that since i been in cdc. >> that's how the politics are right now. you either stay with your own or suffer some consequences later. >> our producers saw these consequences firsthand on "a" yard. corcoran's maximum security population. >> it looks like right now we had an attempted homicide between two inmates. we've got a crime scene established. you've got the investigative services unit, the security squad out there. and they're collecting evidence. >> because of the severity of the incident, our cameras are not allowed past the perimeter fence. >> we did locate a weapon, and the victim had some pretty serious injuries, so at this point we don't want anybody that's not supposed to be on the yard on the yard because of the crime scene.
so there being an investigation, we want to make sure that we do everything right. we definitely identified the suspect. it's going to tame some interrogation, some interviewing to find out exactly what happened and why it happened. so at this point i don't really want to comment on the suspect or the motive. >> as the investigation continues, one suspect turns into three. the suspects are individually escorted to separate holding cells for further questioning and examination. >> we're stripping out this suspect that was involved out here on a fight on the facility. >> okay. can you grab me some swabs and if you have any distilled water? we like to swab, uncontrolled and controlled swabs, any type of body fluids, blood, seamen, whatever may be on our suspect.
obviously this individual doesn't have any type of injuries, so i would say 100% chance it was from the victim. that's why we swab. >> we're going back to our office. we're going to process all the evidence that we collected, process the photographs. some items were discovered during the search of the victim while he was getting medical aid. we are going to see what is
inside the bindles and just start processing all our evidence, start writing reports. so that's where the real work happens. >> this is prison 101 stuff. this is just prison politics. we'll get this thing cleaned up and we'll move on. >> all three suspects have been charged with attempted murder. when inmates commit acts of violence against other inmates or staff, they're sent to the security housing unit or shu, in what is essentially a prison within a prison. inmates like jeremy towner spend the majority of their time in an 8 by 12 cell. >> the first words i ever heard from another inmate was welcome to hell. it was a zoo for men. >> our producers were granted an interview with jeremy under strict supervision of the officers because of his violent history. >> ten days was our orientation to stay in the cell, i guess. then after the ten days were up we were allowed to go to yard. we met some of the other inmates and they told us that there is a structure to live in, you know.
whites live with white, hang out with whites on the yard. you don't deal with any other race. the fact we were lifers, we were probably going to have to stab people. first thing that got into my head was, we better get some knives. living on the street, you learn one thing. you survive by any means necessary. you do whatever it takes to get out of a situation like that. so if that means i have to become an accomplice, so be it. i'm not going to die. you know, i'm just too young. it became -- it came from there. one day they came up to me and said, you're going on a mission in ad seg. my mission was to stab a man who came from another yard who was supposedly no good because they wouldn't have jump off in a riot after they got attacked. the woods on that yard was no good because they didn't attack the blacks after they got attacked. i stabbed this man three times and i got away with it. i walked off into the middle of the yard before the buzzer went off on the yard for everybody to
get down. i had blood all over my hands. i was trying to get it off, so i licked the blood off my hands to get away with the crime. >> that brutal assault was not his last. jeremy is currently held in the security housing unit for yet another violent attack. >> there was a man that came off a level three for beating up a child molester. the story was the child molester was going to get stabbed the next day and he let the child molester get off easy by beating him up. so i was sent to stab him. so we went out to the ad seg concrete yard, and i had a six-inch knife brought out there through the security and all that. we knew how to get past the cop security. and i stabbed him multiple times, and he died within five minutes. that's why i'm here in the shu, so -- for murder. >> so where and how are you getting these knifes around? >> it's easy. anybody who's got a sewing
needle can make a knife. a sewing needle is made out of stainless steel. and stainless steel will cut this metal that they use. so over a period of time, you can shape a knife out of your toilet as long as the cops don't find the pattern cut in your toilet. there's many things you can do to make weapons back here. it's not that hard. usually in high desert we got them out when we got haircuts. because they haircut they pull us out of the cell and take us to the concrete yard to cut hair. that's when we would drop the knife off. and when they came to search for us for yard, they didn't find anything. we went out to yard and found the knife we stashed previously, and that's how we got it out. some inmates choose to do it a little immorally. they put it in places where the sun don't shine, and they carry it out to yard. that's how they get their knives out. i wasn't about to do that. >> jeremy's weapon smuggling
days may be over now that he's locked up in the shu. but the officers in corcoran deal with thousands of other inmates who all know the same tricks and can be just as dangerous. next on "lockup: extended stay," jeremy reveals to our producers the events that led him to a life of violence in prison. >> they kept beating this guy and beating this guy, and blood was going everywhere. and later, suspicious activity on "b" yard triggers a shakedown. >> just kind of out here showing force, maybe get some intel.
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>> recently about a month and a half we've recovered probably more than 40 weapons on this yard, different racial groups, which is an indication there is problems that are brewing. we're just kind of out here showing force, maybe get intel of why, what's going on, why so many weapons. >> while we were talking with some northern hispanic inmates over here, i noticed the one in the middle was fidgeting his tongue around, moving his lips. i asked him to open his mouth. i could see cellophane under his tongue. i asked him to spit it out, and he bent over and spit out a tiny little bindle wrapped in cellophane, and in that, a couple of kites. >> sometimes you get the kites in cellophane, or they will put them in their anal cavity, and that's how they'll transport them from prison to prison or yard to yard. you have to take it to the office and find out what they're talking about.
it could be about incidents that happened on the yard. right? it could be a yard report. it just depends. northern hispanics are very, very structured and they have positions and the whole biz. so -- it's good information, whatever it is. because if it wasn't, why would he have it under his tongue? >> with the weapons still hidden somewhere on the yard, these kites may be the officers' key to their discovery. >> out to the yard. that way and that way. >> bring it out. here we go. another fine day, gents. >> yes, sir. >> come on out.
keep moving. keep moving. >> clear! >> corcoran inmates self-segregate to protect themselves. in no place is this more evident than on the yard. >> it's a level three yard. two level fours on here waiting for transfers. generally all our whites hang out over here, and our asians on this side. you have a lot of southern hispanics on the other side playing handball with the whites. head in toward the tower you got a lot of northern hispanic inmates and a lot of black hispanic inmates hang out over there. that's where they work out over there. this is considered the west side of the yard. just on the other side of the yard, the east side of the yard where the bars and everything is at is where all our southerners and whites work out at. in front of the buildings is where your blacks and your northerners generally hang out. wait at the tables. >> they took our tables. that's why we playing right here. we the only one got no tables. blacks. every other race got the tables. >> they won't go to urinals unless their race is only there. they always got guys posted. two in the front, two in the back, make sure they don't get jumped. >> in the four months we spent in corcoran, our crews witnessed
plenty of inmate-on-inmate fights. this time an alarm sounds in the chow line at the sensitive needs yard. by the time our crews had reached the yard, officers had broken up the fight and separated the suspects for questioning. >> i moved food off the chair and it almost hit the other gentleman, and he felt like i was disrespecting him on purpose, and we exchanged some words. and the next thing, we were fighting in the chow hall. >> he kicked some egg that was sitting on the seat violently towards my way. >> violently? >> violently. he did it with a frown face, so, you know, i'm thinking, you going to say excuse me, sir? i didn't say sir. i said, you going to say excuse me, the slang. and he said, excuse me. and i left it at that. i thought it was over with. we all sat down, and he was still running his mouth. >> so you're at the same table? >> we're at the same table. >> was it a personal dispute or part of a larger thing? >> it was personal at that moment.
>> it was personal at that moment. >> there has been a fistfight in the dining hall between a hispanic and a black inmate. which is always a problem because the inmates tend to group amongst racial lines while incarcerated. i looked and found the combatants. the hispanic was bleeding from the head, not much, the black appeared to have no injuries. >> he still was talking. he said, well, we can talk about this outside. when he said that i'm like, oh, man, here we go. i said in my head, here we go. right? then he started balling his
fists, said nobody is going to tell me what to say, he said, i'll do what i want to do, i'll get crazy. that's when i swung on him right there. >> that would have been bad. when you start fighting in the dining hall, there's tables and not a lot of room, there's confusion, people get hurt. >> i didn't want to fight. he brought it on himself. i didn't want to fight. i'm not a bad person. i walk around and mind my own business, and this guy, you know, he just disrespected me. >> a simple act of brushing food off of a seat and it coming close to hitting another person, you know. obviously the levels of being disrespected in here are quite different than, you know, people out in the real world. >> i have three staff members who corroborate other versions of the story, not yours. >> oh, i see. >> so it's yours, his, and three staff members. none of whom saw that part. we have battery on an inmate. so you're going to go to ad seg. >> okay. >> all right? >> all right. >> okay. i would imagine, given the totality of the circumstance, he'll be out of administrative segregation in like 72 hours. get a little time-out. coming up -- >> be careful. use caution. >> -- the officers came up empty
on the "b" yard shakedown. leaving them no option, but to hit the inmates where they sleep. plus -- >> some people accept me and some don't. >> what happens when cellmates aren't happy at home. >> i had a fight with my cell mate because i was tired of living with him. (burke) and we covered it, february third, twenty-sixteen. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪
yard. >> i'm in prison for prostitution with hiv/aids relations because i tested positive on one of my arrest cases. this building is medical, but it's for hiv, and it's been open for integration with non-hiv inmates on the yard. >> we first met terry while shooting the "lockup: return to corcoran" episode in 2005. >> you're surviving here because you're going to get a job when you get out, you're going to reform yourself, or you're going to stay in the same pattern and you don't get out. >> in the three years since,
terry's been involved in many fights with cellmates. >> it takes a stronger person on the yard to be my cellie because of who i am. >> just days before this interview, terry had another fight. >> i had a fight in my cell with my cellmate because i was tired of living with him. for like seven months, it's like being forced into a relationship that you don't want, so when i moved out, he attacked me in the kitchen, and i seen tears and i seen frustration, but i didn't care. i mean, he stabbed me with a cigarette which they make here homemade. he -- i mean, pulled out all my hair, it grew back since, you know what i'm saying, but i'm dealing with that. >> if terry retaliates she runs the risk of going to the shu and possibly lengthening her sentence. with a parole date in sight, she's opting to remove herself from the situation. >> i feel like i'm a little bit
better now than just to be everybody's piece of meat. so i try to pick a cellie that i can get along with. i talked did my home boy i went to school with. he's just a friend. he could are more but i don't see it. he knows me when i was straight. and i went to school with him. he used to date my sister. >> if the prison approve as a transfer, he hopes it can keep him from being locked up. >> if staff allows it in this building for us to have a non-hiv cellmate, we have to get along, be compatible within the unit without being a program. >> came over here due to the simple fact that terry was having little issues. getting into little fights and all that. because of the transition he was going to. a lot of people can't -- don't accept it. we all grew up in compton. terry turned out kind of funny, but he was rough. he was out there fighting with us. so what i'm trying to do, i
said, i'm compatible. put us in a cell together. i understand all the things we went through. he can talk to me. >> some people accept me, some don't. >> we real close. i wouldn't let nothing happen to terry. i wouldn't let nothing happen to terry. my friends, the ones i'm close with that i know from the streets, they know me and terry are homies. we just friends, that's as far as it goes. >> you're the homey, man, you know you're the homey. >> i would like be known as more than a homey or a friend. someone who is sincere and nice, that can be there to talk to them, you know, just as a person, instead of the situation as it was. >> talk about putting somebody on the spot. >> what? >> talk about putting somebody on the spot. wow. >> with terry's future possibly hanging in the balance, terry and clarence will have to wait
to find out if their request to live together is granted. coming up on "lockup: extended stay" will these potential cellmates become soul mates? >> when you see somebody acting just like a woman, there's always going to be some type of temptation. plus, officers give these inmates a surprise wake-up call. . wait. you're real? with discover card, you can talk to a real person in the u.s., like me, anytime. wow. this is a recording. really? no, i'm kidding. 100% u.s.-based customer service. here to help, not to sell.
got to have some kind of hustle while you're in here. to operate here, you know. so it's like this here. i just charge a dollar personally. you know, the first -- we still want to try looking at presentable as possible. >> you know what i mean. we want to get business-like here. a lot of times you don't know when they're coming, so in case you might want to take a picture, you know, you look your best. appreciate it, junior. >> the kite found on "b" yard brought the officers no closer
to the location of weapons. in order to prevent another stabbing, isu and the institutional gang investigators or igi plan an early morning raid. this time hitting the inmates while they sleep. >> we're looking for weapons, dope, tobacco. we've got to be real careful with these guys. the last time we did this in june in that same facility, the northerners will make sure that they flush -- try to get to the toilets as soon as they can. the southerners we found a lot of weapons. weapon stock, metal stock in recent months. quite a bit of it. a lot of metal that's coming out
of dining hall that they're facing into some pretty righteous bone crushers. be careful. use caution. we do suspect the south siders of having weapons in their cell. grab a mask. >> we've got a cell phone going off. >> with weapons hidden somewhere on "b" yard, time is of the essence. this raid could be the officers' last chance to find the location of the weapons before they are used. >> get down! get down! get down! >> the element of surprise is key as it will hopefully give them an extra step on any inmate hurrying to flush contraband. >> put your hands up! >> get on the ground, now! get on the ground, now! cellie on top. put your hands up! >> it was early because my eyes could barely open. i was asleep. i was dreaming about ashanti and sleeping. >> i was sleeping and suddenly i heard the door pop and heard yelling, get down, get down. so i just kind of froze, stayed still. and they informed us to get out and backed up in the cells and backed up and cuffed us and brought us into the shower and proceeded to search the cells. >> well, if you run the flashlight through the back of the bottle, you will see if there's any kind of weapons or
any kind of contraband. you'll see the outlining of a weapon or silhouette of a weapon. >> you might want to come down here. there's a lot of flushing going on in 107. >> ten-four. >> the sound of flushing toilets leads officers to a stash of inmate-made wine or pruno. >> they make pruno. they grab apples and they let it ferment for a couple of days and smash them up, put them in the bag and put heat over it. a bunch of covers. they use a lot of blankets. it was under a lot of blankets in the corner, and they let it stay until it becomes sort of like wine. >> usually typically what happens if it's found in a cell in a common area where both inmates have access to it, which is obviously anywhere in the cell, they will be both charged for the possession of inmate-manufactured alcohol.
>> no weapons are found, but the search does turn up an important clue. >> we just found some kites up here. >> we found more. >> what do you have in there? >> we haven't opened up yet. wrapped in cellophane. tied with string. >> you don't have to open it yet. >> any time officers find kites, there's a potential wealth of information. after completing their search, the isu and igi teams head back to headquarters to decode the message in hopes of learning more about the hidden weapons. >> the kites, they just take a pen, and sharpen it down and write as small as they can. they practice a lot. they write a lot of these kites. for us, we're not used to reading small like that. so we take them, blow them up, and we're able to read them a lot better. a lot easier. from the one kite i read already, it's about weapons, razor blades in the yard. >> officers finally have the information they have been seeking, the location of the weapons on "b" yard. this intel may be the only way to prevent future attacks like
the ones carried out by jeremy. >> i licked the blood off my hands to get away with the crime. >> but jeremy's brush with violence didn't start with prison. it was a brutal crime that brought him to corcoran in the first place. >> i've been in prison since the end of '99. i was originally arrested for murder in boulder creek next to santa cruz. before that i was living on the streets for approximately two years since i was 13 years old. just, you know, trying to survive on the streets and hanging out with the wrong people. we were downtown santa cruz at a youth shelter, and i was looking for a place to sleep, and i met somebody there by the name of 48. that was his street name. and my street name was storm. he said he had a dry place to sleep in boulder creek. so all we needed to do was find somebody with a car. and we found two people who had a car. it was a woman and her
boyfriend. and her boyfriend was a chronic heroin user, and he had a gun on him. he was trying to sell it for heroin or for money. they needed a place to stay as well. as soon as we got there, there were people already in the house by the name of eddie munster and rush. somebody got the idea in their head to borrow the gun from this man, [ bleep ], who was in the car, who provided the ride up there. and take the gun and rob a mountain store. he said no and that was that. i was fine with it. and when i walked through the door, i was pushed. somebody was behind the door. i think it was eddie. he had a baseball bat. he started beating him upside the head with the bat. and i was just in shock. i didn't know what to do, so i backed up, and i sat on the bed, and they kept beating this guy and beating this guy. his blood was going everywhere. just bits of skull and brain
going all over the walls. and i remember getting blood in my mouth and on my face and on my clothes, and i was just frozen. i didn't know what to do. i could hear him screaming, "help me!" and there was nothing i could do. they beat him for a good half hour. they beat him, they cut him. they cut his throat. they did everything imaginable that you could do to destroy one man. and when they were done, they looked at me, and they asked me to help them. and i wasn't going to say no after what i just witnessed. i was not going to say no. i helped them carry the body
downstairs, and you could hear the air coming out of his throat. i guess eddie thought he was still alive, so he took a cinderblock and dropped it on his head a couple times more. i lost my lunch right there. i lost all the liquor i drank, all the food i ate. i told 48 everything that happened. and he didn't say anything. just like a normal occurrence. you know, [ bleep ] happens. >> jeremy's confession to his friend is what led to his arrest weeks later when 48 ran into trouble of his own. >> he testified to get out of a drug warrant in oklahoma city. he turned himself in to testify against us because i told him what happened that night. that's how i got caught, just like that, you know? every attorney said i had no chance. they postponed my sentencing until after i was 18. and county jail was where i started learning about prison. what was to come, you know. all the stabbings and the fights and the riots. the drugs. everything that was going to come my way.
>> being isolated in a single cell has prevented jeremy from further violence. but solitary confinement won't last forever. coming up, he gets a cellmate, but will it be his last? >> you don't know what another man is thinking in prison. wait till you're asleep and cut your throat. >> later, can corcoran's officers get to the weapons on "b" yard before they are used? >> it looks like it's made out of aluminum. it will ruin your day. look at geico... you know, geico can help you save money on your homeowners insurance too? great! geico can help insure our mountain chalet! how long have we been sawing this log? um, one hundred and fourteen years. man i thought my arm would be a lot more jacked by now. i'm not even sure this is real wood. there's no butter in this churn. do my tris look okay? take a closer look at geico. great savings. and a whole lot more.
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cellie. you're doing time. i don't care where you at. from the places i've been, i call them hot spots. for the last 15 years, all violence. every day, lockdown. fighting. so i was very tense. and i was really ready -- say anything wrong -- really ready to just -- that's all i knew was violence. violence was my answer to everything. 18 months when i turned 7 1/2. >> that's all you knew? >> that's all i knew. violence. then i start seeing, know what i'm saying, start getting a hold of myself, checking myself out inside. now that i'm here with terry, i feel like a whole lot of tension just eased. >> as their relationship evolves within the cell, clarence and terry discuss their future outside the prison walls. >> if you have a problem, what you going to do? fall, back slide? say, okay, i'm going to deal with this problem.
i'm not going to use this as an excuse to prostitute. society is against people like you. straight up, society is against you all. go through the program. the programs will get you a job. the program will put you into a environment where it's a working environment. >> it's possible. >> it's a positive environment, and it's up to you to stay positive. it's up to you to stay in that environment. can't nobody bring you down but you. let's say you're downtown. right? you're downtown. i'm terry, i'm downtown. i know i'm downtown. it's up to me to better myself. it's up to me to bring myself up out of here. just because i'm downtown don't mean i got to be downtown, i don't got to act like downtown. it's all up here, mentally. >> it's been different because people look at me different. they don't talk to me as brash as they used to. i'm not easily like playing a lot. like grown-ups like to horseplay in prison. this is prison. if you horseplay to a certain degree, you get into a fight. i don't get that no more. >> it sounds almost like a protection.
like you're a protection to her. >> no. >> that's what it sounds like. >> out of respect it is, out of respect for you. because it's cons consequences whenever someone doesn't like up what's going on inside the cell. so they respect you. >> if you put it like that. a lot of people don't agree with homosexuality. >> what about this decor, all these woman with distinct breasts? >> i'm on hormones and i need that inspiration. so i try to make that be a focus of my upper body. >> the women, these are all you? >> i want to attain some of the attitudes and poshe poses and degrees of entertainment with me as a female impersonator. i want to become that part fully in my mind that this is me every day, as a lady. i mean, it's a part of my fantasy. >> it blows my mind sometimes, seeing him get dressed, some of the little things he puts on -- and --
>> it is like living with a woman? >> exactly. it's like living -- everything terry do is as a woman. and you start asking yourself. damn, what am i saying? you basically start researching yourself. and if i do go this way, if i do, oh terry, baby, like this, right, would that be giving me up as a man? know what i'm saying? would i turn, like, feminine or gay, or can i still say damn, terry, and still be a man? i say that all the time. >> how about romantically? >> it's a a-plus. he's very dominant. as far as being romantic. >> you got to -- >> you are! >> you got to dominate. >> there's a line with him as far as -- as far as -- his privacy as far as him being to a certain degree of an aggressive
lover. he has a standpoint, which is a barrier which we work on, but like i said, it's prison, he's here, he has a life outside of me. >> that's it right there. home sweet home, huh? >> huh? >> home sweet home, huh? >> you going to hug me? >> no. >> okay. >> on "b" yard, officers are using the intel obtained in the cellblock raid in hopes of finding the hidden weapons. >> it looks like it's made out of aluminum. some type of cloth fashioned into a handle. this could ruin your day.
>> so far we found nine in an hour and a half span and we're about two-thirds done with this yard. >> this right here looks like it's made out of aluminum. probably something from the kitchen. aluminum cart. and a spike, from a fence or some kind of tie down. and this is aluminum from a food cart right here. the handles are usually made out of cloth, like this one here. that's made out of a sheet wrapped with tape. some of these inmates here, part of their code is to always have something on them to protect themselves, whether it's on them themselves or in the yard. so whatever area you're in as far as your race or your gang affiliation, you have something there to protect yourself with. >> these officers may have prevented another attack by successfully recovering the hidden weapons. but they weren't the first to be made and certainly won't be the
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witnessed it. put the yard down. stopped fighting. we were coming from the unit. we respond. make sure no one gets up. if they do, we respond and assist. >> it appears to be an isolated incident. >> it being just one on one, more like it was just a disagreement between those two. now the yard resumes program, and we'll just go back in the unit. >> meanwhile back in the security housing unit, inmate jeremy towner is nearing the end of his time in solitary confinement, and while he's scheduled to return to the general population, jeremy has requested placement in sny for fear of prison politics. >> if i go to sny, if i go back to the regular mainline, you know, daisies are going to be growing out of the ground real
soon. they've got my name on a little tiny list. the list is the "no good" list. inmates have them. they carry them around. when they get letters from the mainline, they check the list to see if anybody -- that person's name is on the list. and fit is they send a message or something back to the mainline saying, go ahead and destroy him, he's no good, and i'll probably get stabbed in the back soon. because i'm sny. because i turned sny. because i don't want to stab anybody anymore. i don't want to be their prison bitch. >> in order to be moved to an sny yard, jeremy must first prove he can interact nonviolently with other inmates. >> transition to mainline, the only thing that has changed so far is going out to the yard with 20 other inmates and going out there and seeing if i can get along with them. we only get yard, like, three times a week. it lasts from 9:00 or 12:00 or 12:30.
usually right before i go out, i get panic attacks because i don't know if i'm coming back in. you don't know what's going to happen here. >> as another part of his gradual transition to an sny population, jeremy is no longer in a solitary cell. >> it's been about three years three and a half years since i had a cellie. as soon as i got to the shu, they made me single cell because i had too much violence. i knew i was going to have to take a cellie and i was kind of worried about it. over here men tend to act a little more aggressive, chaotic, you know, a little more uncontrolled of their own emotions. but -- >> what did you fear? >> being trapped in a cell with a big-ass cellie who's going to beat the hell out of you or chop you up, you know. wait until you're asleep and cut your throat. you don't know what another man is thinking in prison.
you could be asleep, and then all of a sudden, you know, you ain't going to wake up. one of the ceos wanted to cell me up with a black man. i'm not really a racist person, but i am afraid of their politics. i wasn't going to take that chance. so i asked the inmates on the yard, you know, is there anybody who needs a cellie. yeah, there's a dude upstairs. he's leaving in november. you can cell with him. i moved in with ian. he's a little crazy at times, but if you go with it, he's all right, you know? >> he is a pretty nice guy. he's really religious. he likes his catholic religion. he's doing quite well, i think. >> the rules in the cell are pretty much don't piss the other guy off. that's the only rule. >> the stress of living with a cellmate may subside, but the realities of jeremy's sentence still loom over him. >> you get stuck with your own thoughts and everything. you start thinking, you know, why am i stuck in a life sentence?
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