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will become the leader of the free world. again, the public focus is on his comments. for starters, there is his very public feud with civil rights icon, john lewis, angering some on the left and on the right. what he is saying about health insurance also raising eyebrow on the right today. a deep dive on obamacare coming up in this hour. plus, as we get closer to the inauguration, lester holt will be traveling the country talking to folks coast to coast. we'll check in with lester. finally, my conversation with bernie sanders, two months after the -- rather, a year after -- what am i trying to say? two months after the election. what he is saying now about our country, what he has learned over the past year and a little bit of a spoiler here. it is a positive message he has. we will let you hear it coming up. we start this martin luther king day talking about a feud the president-elect and his team are having with civil rights icon john lewis. the congressman called trump an illegitimate president and then trump and his team struck back at him and the state of his
district. lewis had a chance to take a swipe this morning at a prescheduled breakfast speech for mlk day, but instead he kept his message positive. >> never give up! never give in! stand up, speak up. when you see something that is not right, not fair, not just, you have a moral obligation to do something, to say something and not be quiet. >> my colleague hallie jackson covering the latest at trump tower in new york this afternoon. i want to ask you about that feud, but first, martin luther king's song was at trump tower a couple hours ago. why was he there? what did he sna what do we know about that meeting? >> reporter: i'll tell you what, spoiler, by the way, i'm just two miles from where you are, not even here on capitol hill, but we were keeping an eye on what was happening at trump tower, given the president-elect visiting with martin luther king ii. the topic of discussion, this feud you're talking about with
congressman john lewis, did come up when he went down to speak with reporters after his meeting with the president-elect. but the meeting with donald trump itself -- himself was intended to talk more about voting rights. he and his colleague brought a sort of faux voting rights card for donald trump. calling it the trump card. the intention, we're told, was to try to personalize this issue for donald trump himself. i want to play you a little bit of what martin luther king iii had to say to reporters about this when he finished his meeting with the president-elect. take a listen. >> well, certainly, he said that that, he is going to represent americans. he said that over and over again. and i think that we will continue to evaluate that. i think that the nation supports. i think that's his intent. i think we also have to consistently engage with pressure, public pressure. it doesn't happen automatically. my father and his team understood that, did that. and i think that americans are prepared to do that.
>> reporter: so, talking about the importance of public pressure there. also striking, a mob optimistic tone than what you've heard from voting rights advocates across the country. king was pressed on these comments from donald trump about congressman john lewis. and he said that essentially sometimes it is -- it so happens, kate, that emotions get the best of people in situations like these. >> hallie jackson, just across the way here on capitol hill, in that -- near that building behind me. thanks so much. i want to talk through some of the issues front and center on this mlk holiday. here with me in d.c., tom de frank, and david litt, former speechwriter for president obama, and now head writer at funny or die d.c. nice to have you both with us. nice to have you in town. you've covered every election, do i have this right, since 1968? i don't mean to date you. >> trump will be my tenth
president. >> your tenth. >> that's a long time. >> you've written about this. he's having -- you've written about sort of what this one feels like. he's having a very public feud right now with a civil rights icon, john lewis. >> you know, kate, it doesn't make a lot of sense to get involved in a spat with an icon. i think mike pence has the right tone here. he said yesterday on one of the shows that he admires and respects john lewis. is he an icon. but he's disappointed in what he said. if i've learned anything about donald trump, and obviously i didn't cover him during the campaign, i've learned that he's got to have the last word. that if somebody comes after him, he's going to hit back at them even harder. and in a situation like, this i can't believe the trump team wants to have oxygen being sucked out of the dialogue four days before the trump people hope is a triumphant inaugural. >> the other news is about obamacare. president-elect trump saying his team is working on a replacement
for obamacare, that it will come quickly. you served in the obama whi house. you know how you had to sell obamacare, you had to write speeches about it. what do you make of him saying we will have a replacement and it will provide insurance to everyone? >> i think if there's one thing they're probably going to find out is passing a giant health care bill is difficult. it takes a lot more time than you think. we certainly learned it on the obama team. i will say republicans, including the president-elect, are coming to terms with the fact that there are millions of people who are being helped tremendously by this law, and some of the promises that are easy to make when you're campaigning you realize keeping them is going to create a real back d ba backlash. i think they're just now confronting the scope of the problem they created for themselves, and the moral implications as well. >> let's talk this inauguration. gallup collects favorable
ratings, 40, which is about half of what president obama had. he had 78% at this very point before he was inaugurated. >> about 17 points less than obama has going out the door. that's an historically low average. it should remind all of us, kate, that while trump's election was legitimate, he is not a majority president and he doesn't have a mandate beyond shaking things up. i think there are millions of people who didn't vote for him only because they couldn't stand hillary moorre. that particular group, i don't know how many millions, it's hard to see how they're going to migrate to new president trump right away. we'll see. >> he had such a following, right, in terms of twitter, he has mlz of people following him on twitter. he was asked about that or talked about that yesterday. he wants to keep his current twitter handle. take a listen. >> so, i've got 46 million
people right now. that's really a lot. including facebook, twitter and instagram. so, when you think you have 46 million there, i'd rather just let that build up and just keep it @realdonaldtrump. the tweeting i thought i would do less of, but i'm covered so dishonestly by the press, so dishonestly. >> it's a direct line to the people. as he said, he avoids the media that way. as somebody who had to work on messaging for a president, do you get that? >> i get it but i also think there's a reason the clear majority of americans, democrats and republicans, would like him to ditch the twitter account. i mean, the most important thing for a president is how that person allocates their time. right now he could be sitting down and writing his inaugural address. instead, he's writing tweets about john lewis. >> to be fair, the president, potus has a twitter account. >> i will guess while the president has written some
tweets, many of those tweets are written by staff. so, he was able to have that conduit to the american people you're talking about while focusing on being president, which is his job. >> i have to bring up since you work at funny or die here in d.c., "snl," because one thing he tweeted about is how poor he thought "saturday night live" did on saturday night. let me play a little of the cold opening he's talking about. >> thank you for coming. i'd like to start by answering the question that's on everyone's mind. yes, this is real life. this is really happening. >> mr. trump, many people are concerned about all your business conflicts. have you taken the proper steps to divest from your companies? >> yes, i have. i have turned over all my businesses to my two sons, bechlt bechlt beavis and duthead. can we get a shot of them? explain that. >> i'll be in charge of day-to-day operations as well as
all new deals moving forward. >> and i'm eric. >> the question s how does he continue as president on friday, how does he deal with satire? i mean, it's going to continue. >> "snl" isn't going anywhere. >> and his tweets aren't going anywhere either. he has 38% to 40% of the country that loves him no matter what. he will play to that, but trying to reinforce it and build it. and i think we'll have more tweets than fewer tweets. >> they're not the "snl" viewers. no disrespect they probably don't read a lot of funny or die either. >> it's a mix. the thing that satire can do is say, you may have won the presidency, but that doesn't mean -- this is a democracy. that doesn't mean you get unlimited deference in respect. have you to earn that. i think this is one reason that bugs him so much. >> nice to see you again. thanks to you both for coming up
to the roof with us. >> thank you so much. >> appreciate it. another big story that we are following this hour. the wife of omar mateen, the man who carried out the orlando nightclub attack, was arrested today in connection with last june's massacre that left 49 people dead, dozens of people wounded. joining me with the details, nbc senior justice correspondent pete williams here in washington. what do we know? >> family members, kate, tell us she was arrested about 8:00 this morning at her home in northern california in rodeo, california, north of san francisco. they say that they're shocked by the arrest. she's been cooperating fully with the investigators. they say they insist she had no knowledge of what her husband, omar mateen, was going to do at the pulse nightclub in orlando seven months ago. but authorities tell us she's charged with obstruction of justice, which means the authorities believe she wasn't fully forthcoming with them in all the interviews after the shooting and also aiding and abetting. what we're told by federal officials is these charges say that she did have some knowledge
that her husband was going to carry out some kind of attack and she didn't do anything to try to stop him. now, we had been told right after the shooting, in the early investigations and early interrogations by the fbi, that she said she did have some idea he was going to do something and she tried to talk him out of it. in any event, she will appear first in northern california in oakland tomorrow morning to formal charges after the arrest and investigators will begin the process to move her back to orlando to face charges. the chief police in orlando, john mina, issued a statement saying there is some relief knowing that someone will be held accountable for that horrific crime. he says the federal authorities have seen to it that some measure of justice will be served. in this act of terror that has affected our community so deeply. that's john mina, orlando police chief. >> pete williams, thank you so much. up next, donald trump wades
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were inappropriate. in an interview with "the times of london," trump said merkel made a catastrophic mistake when she let a million migrants into germany. for more, i want to bring in ali following developments on trump's foreign policy and overseas reaction. what's the latest? >> well, kate, president-elect trump's comments cause concern and consternation but perhaps not a surprise with german carmakers paying higher tariffs. german foreign minimum strer tweeting trump's comments on nato caused astonishment here and certainly not only here. went on to tweet, comments are contradictory to statement of designated defense secretary mattis during congress hearing. let's take a listen to some of the president-elect's interview with "the times of london" from
this morning. >> among eastern europeans, there's a lot of feel of putin in russia. >> sure. and i said a long time ago that nato had problems. it was obsolete because it was, you know, designed many, many years ago. number two, the countries weren't paying what they were supposed to pay. >> kate, the german deputy chancellor gabrielle also weighed in, responding to trump's merkel. he said the increased number fleeing middle east to seek asylum had been part of u.s.-led war destabilizing the region. also saying his country spends too little finance on nato, saying they make a gigantic financial contribution. trump's remarks on nato, however, met more favorably in moscow where putin spokesman agreed with the president-elect
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four days away from donald trump's inauguration and the number of democrats now saying they will not attend the ceremony is growing. so far, nearly 30 house democrats have announced they won't be there for friday's ceremony. that number jumped in the wake of the president-elect's criticism of civil rights icon john lewis after he said trump's election was not legitimate. just hours ago, lewis spoke on this holiday about the legacy of dr. martin luther king jr. >> we made a lot of progress as a nation and as a people, but we're not there yet.
the scars and stains of racism are deeply imbedded in american society. we must not be at peace with ourselves as a nation. >> joining me now to discuss their decisions not to attend this friday, congressman jared huffman and steve cohen of tennessee, sitting out the inauguration, both democrats. i want to start with congressman cohen because you just announced your decision today, as i understand it, at the historic mason temple in memphis. i want to play a little clip of what you said today. >> if you're your evil and killing and stopping of democracy and stomping of people who speak out and not allowing people to express themselves, you are not a great leader. you are an evil leader. >> congressman, tell me about those strong words. what was the turning point? why did you decide not to attend?
>> well, there's been many instances through this election and even the post election where mr. trump has shown he is not of the rectitude to be perfect united states and the moral leader. someone who doesn't tell the truth, who's been racist in his comments and made fun of a man with disabilities. then saying john mccain was not a hero, meryl streep was not a good actress and rub con was john lewis, the last of the big six, a civil rights icon, hero and maybe the most heroic and courageous people in our congress and maybe in our country. a man who gave up his self and injuries for civil rights and fighting our country to get civil rights for his people that were denied through jim crow and slavery and for 360 years o persecution. donald trump has no decency. the man who said to joe mccarthy, who was represented by
roy cohn, who was donald trump's lawyer and apparently donald trump's alter ego and i say it to donald trump, have you no decency? >> congressman, let me ask what the trump camp would say, though. he was ee he electricitied as president of this country. why not go through the process of orderly transition? >> orderly transition will come through but it wasn't orderly and i believe an appropriate election. i have been privy to papers and briefings concerning the russian hacking of the dnc, the dccc and john podesta. there are parallels between the trump campaign narrative and what russia was also putting out. there was trump saying, russia f you're listening, get those 33,000 e-mails. there was manafort, one of trump's people, working for a thug in ukraine. there were other connections. i believe that the trump campaign knew what the russians were putting out to wikileaks. they used it. trump talked about it 174 times.
he knew the polling showed that would be effective. it was effective. it influenced enough votes to turn this election. when this election is turned by the stealing, the hacking of private e-mails bit russian government and used by a candidate, there's a question about his authenticity of his election, subverting our election process and that is something i cannot be part of. >> you used the word authenticity. do you agree with congressman lewis that it is -- that this election was illegitimate? >> i believe it was. i think the facts left to come out. i want to say this, jim comey is probably investigating this. if he's not investigating, then he's being negligent. i think he has to investigate the dosier that came from m16 agent in britain, and i think there's -- where there's smoke, there's fire. comey needs to stay at the fbi because he's the only person that might be standing between us and some information that is necessary for our democracy and country to continue. and if something happens to jim
comey or if he's fired, you've got to think that's the reason he's being fired. >> i have to mention the trump campaign has denied a lot of what you just mentioned. i want to get to congressman huffman. you made your decision a while ago. you posted on facebook back on january 7th that you won't be at the inauguration on friday. you said it's abundantly clear to me with donald trump as our president, the united states is entering a dark and very dangerous political chapter. you wrote, i will not sit passively and politely applaud. i feel i need to ask you the same question as i asked your colleague. this is the tradition in this nation s to pass power and for congressmen to be there for that transition. is it disrespectful for you not to attend? >> well, kate, it is the transition. and normally i would be there. inaugurations are wonderful ceremonies. i've been to two. i never even thought it would be a possibility that i would miss one. there's just nothing normal about what's happening here. it's not just the man, donald
trump. i certainly agree with my colleague steve cohen and some concerns he raised pipts the totality of who he is, how he got here, what he stands for and what we know he's going to try to do to the fabric of our democracy. there's something seriously wrong here. so, this is an individual decision. we'll all probably see it differently. for me i felt it was more important to do something positive, as a counterweight to all this darkness. that's why i'll be in my district and i'll be speaking at a naturalization ceremony for new citizens. i'll be volunteering at a habitat for humanity project. i'll be trying to do my part to light a candle and drive out some of this darkness. >> will you be able to work with this administration? >> of course i'll try to work with them. i think you'll find me and many other democrats giving mr. trump the chance for success that republicans like mitch mcconnell and john boehner refusing to give to donald trump. we'll also stand our ground when he crosses important lines. we know that's coming. we're in for -- >> quickly, do you question the
legitimacy of this presidency n i in? >> no, i accept the results of this election. i support the orderly transfer of power. for me, that's not what this is about. this is about the darkness and, i think, the dangers to our country i see coming very quickly from a trump administration. i'm trying to do something positive instead of sitting passively and applauding as all this begins. >> congressman steve cohen of tennessee, congressman jared huffman of california, democrats. thank you for being with me. up next, my conversation with former presidential candidate senator bernie sanders. his take on the heat battle over obamacare. donald trump and republicans' efforts to repeal and replace it. >> under the affordable care act, we've added 20 million people to the ranks of the insured. if republicans want to throw those people out on the street, they should take responsibility for a very dangerous act, where no doubt, people will die, will die, if they don't have access to a doctor or to a hospital. runs on intel?
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as republicans move quickly to repeal obamacare, president-elect trump said in an interview with "the washington post" on sunday, he wants to offer a replacement plan that will provide, quote, insurance for everybody. trump did not give specifics on that plan. on sunday supporters of the affordable care act held rallies in opposition to repealing the law all across the country. former presidential candidate senator bernie sanders and the minority leader, chuck schumer, rallied thousands of people in warren, michigan, in support of the aca. hi a chance to speak with senator sanders about the future of obamacare in his hometown of burlington, vermont, on friday. >> reporter: president-elect trump has said he wants to repeal it and replace it pretty much simultaneously. speaker ryan has said the same thing. can they do that, do you think? >> well, the devil is going to be in the details. but right now, as it stands, if you repeal the affordable care
act, you're throwing over 20 million people off of health insurance. their goal has been to move to the privatization of medicare, giving people vouchers, which i think is a disaster. their goal is to cut medicaid substantially, which will not only impact lowering income americans, what it will also do is impact middle income americans who pay for nursing home for their parents through medicaid. by the way, it will raise the cost of prescription costs to seniors and give $300 billion in tax breaks for the top 2%. so, do i think they can very simply and quickly replace the affordable care act? no, i don't. >> reporter: what about their argument that the current system is broken, that there are these -- you know, you hear n arizona they point to all the time. >> look, valid criticisms of the affordable care act. deductibles are much too high, for example. there are problems with it. but let us be clear, we are the only major country on earth that
doesn't guarantee health care to all people as a right. under the affordable care act, we've added 20 million people to the ranks of the insured. if republicans want to throw those people out on the street, they should take responsibility for a very dangerous act where, no doubt, people will die, will die, if they don't have access to a doctor or to a hospital. >> reporter: do you think president-elect trump understands thoroughly the inner workings of the affordable care act? >> first all, health care in itself is a complicated issue, which is one-sixth of the entire american economy. people have dealt with this issue year after year after year perform i understand it's good politics to say, we're going to end the affordable care act. that's great. you get votes from right-wing friends. how do you guarantee health care to all americans? how do you not raise prescription drug costs for seniors? how do you protect lower income people? do we really want to live in a country where tens of millions of people do not have access to a doctor? and, by the way, we are today
paying the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. we're paying the highest prices in the world per capita for health care. what are mr. trump's ideas to address those crises? >> reporter: mr. trump has said he would keep the idea of preexisting conditions not, you know, stopping people from getting insurance, that he would keep staying on your plan until you're 26 years old you should your parents' health care. what are you worried about would not be in this replacement plan that you need to see in order to support it? >> well, first of all, i'm worried they may be throwing 20 million people off of health insurance. i'm worried about caps. right now we force the insurance companies to make sure that if you have a very serious illness that runs up a big cost, they will continue to pay it. >> reporter: right. they cap it at, say, $100,000. >> they may say you have a terrible form of cancer and we only pay $100,000. we remove it and pay your medical needs. i'm worried if you take back into the states and give states discretion, a lot of patient
protection acts we have developed to protect people will disappear. >> reporter: a lot of people in social media are worried about birth control and the coverage for that. >> sure. >> reporter: is that something you could see really holding things up in terms of democrats being able to support anything? >> it's one of many, many issues. i mean, for a start, how do you give over $300 billion in tax breaks to the top 2%, which is what the repeal of the affordable care act means, and then provide the kind of of resources you need to miake sur people continue to have health insurance they can afford? >> reporter: what do you do as democrats, do you oppose whatever replacement plan they come up with? can you see -- >> kate, this is not a difficult proposition. what saying people will do is sit together and say, okay, are there problems with the affordable care act? yes. are there problems -- serious problems with american health care system before the affordable care act? let's not forget, everything wasn't perfect before barack obama became president. we have 50 million people
without health insurance. we were paying the highest prices in the world. the question is saying what people do is saying, okay, what are the problems? what do i think are the problems? how do we address those problems? how do we work together? what you don't do is say, we are going to repeal the entire affordable care act and we got nothing to replace it. >> reporter: they have the votes to repeal it, right? >> yes, they do. but i think there are a number of republicans who are getting a little nervous and understanding that, yeah, it's easy to repeal, but how -- what do you replace it with? is it responsible to simply throw the whole thing out without having another replacement? >> reporter: so, do you think republicans may not have the vote to repeal it in the first place? >> i think -- i can't predict -- i'm not part of the republican caucus, to be sure. but i think there are some republicans who are getting a little nervous to understand you can't throw 20 million people off health insurance without having some type of replacement plan. >> reporter: do you essentially think donald trump is overpromising here?
>> i don't know. i mean, look, let's be honest and say that mr. trump is a very unusual president-elect. i, frankly, don't know what he talks about. when he talks about we're going to have, what is it, a terrific health care plan or a great health care plan, that's wonderful. what does it mean? >> part of my conversation with bernie sanders up in vermont. for more on the battle over obamacare, i want to bring in former democratic senator byron dorgan of north dakota, who was very involved in the fight for obamacare in the first place. nice to see you. >> thank you. >> let's pick up where we left off for bernie sanders. you were there for that fight. this time around trump is saying repeal and replace almost immediately. in an interview with "the washington post" he says he wants insurance for everybody. that sounds an awful lot like what democrats would want. >> although donald trump is much more substance -- much more promotion than substance, i should say. you know, the republicans have wanted to repeal the affordable
care act for seven years, but have never had a plan to put in its place. donald trump has said we cobble together some sort of plan. the difficulty, kate, is you can't do a plan that has -- eliminates pre-existing conditions, age 26, eliminates lifetime limits unless you have mandated coverage across the board. it doesn't add up. >> we're not sure that's what they want. >> nobody's sure. trump has said those three things he would like to see, t but, again,ou've got t have a plan that really adds up. we've got, like, 30 million people out there today in this country through -- both through the affordable care act and also through medicaid expansion whose health care and health insurance depends on getting this right. and i don't see evidence that the republicans want to do much more than repeal. that's the political side of things. >> let me -- let me play some sound from sean spicer, incoming press secretary for donald trump, who this morning on the
"today" show gave some specifics about what he thinks would be in a trump-backed replacement plan. take a listen. >> what he said in "the washington post" article, willie, is his goal was to get insurance for everybody, through marketplace solution, through competition, through bringing costs down, negotiating with pharmaceutical companies, allowing competition over state lines. there's a lot of ways we can bring the cost and access to health care way down to ensure people actually get additional plans to choose from, more doctors in the system, and health care at a much cheaper option than it is currently. which, again, i think is better for the consumer because it actually increases access, increases the options to care, and at the same time, through that competition and marketplace access, will drive the cost down. >> your response to that? what are the flaws in what you hear there. >> it all sounds good, but there are notice no details. no details at all. look, i think it would be far better for the republicans to say, let's fix the things that are wrong. it is not a perfect -- the affordable care act is not -- >> i was going to say that.
one of their big arguments is it's not perfect. there are premium increases in many places. they consistently cite this figure, which some have debunked, that $4300 is the premium increase on average for employer-based insurance. >> but then decide you're going to work with both sides to fix the issues rather than decide, our political goal is to repeal the affordable care act. again, for seven years they've said, we want to repeal this without any plan to replace it. now, if they can come up with a plan that adds up, i don't think you can, doing what they want to do, good for them. my guess is they would be smarter to work -- democrats and republicans, to fix anything they see wrong, find a consensus to do that, but keep this in place. we're spending twice as much as almost anybody in the world for health care. we need to find a way to make that work for all americans. >> politics may impede that. >> better care, lower costs. we need to work on that. >> byron dorgan from north dakota, great to see you. up next, "nbc nightly news"
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going? where do you want the next president to really focus his efforts? how much of what we've heard in the past is hiohihig hyperbole wanted to have that conversation. we started in sacramento, my adopted hometown. that's not why i'm here. we're here because this is one of the most integrated and most diverse major cities in the country. we thought it was a good place to start. and one of the overriding topics here in california is one that donald trump focused on a lot, of course, was the issue of illegal immigration. one of those we talked to on our panel that we sat down with yesterday is a 27-year-old grad student at california state university. she is really here under the doca program. she was brought to this country at the age of 10 months. she's not documented. she's very worried about what happens under the next presidency. here's what she and some others told me about immigration. >> life as i know it might change for me come january 20th. >> there's no reason why -- why,
you know, she should be expelled. rather, she should be allowed to stay and finish her education and contribute to society. >> what we're focusing on now is the fact it's a broken system. it's been broken. and if trump hadn't gotten elected, it would still be broken. >> reporter: and so, kate, the group we started off with, they were of different political stripes. not all of them voted in the last election, but all had real feelings about where we're going about policies and even those who were not in support of trump, you know, as we drill down a little farther, they were able to talk about things they hope he'll be able to accomplish. so it's a conversation that hopefully will be going on across america in a healthy way now as we get closer to friday. we'll go from here to suburban detroit for tomorrow's "nightly news" broadcast and then we've move to north carolina before we end up and join you there in d.c. >> i say maybe you started in sacramento because it's a lot
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more than 700,000 people expected to attend the inauguration day ceremonies and officials are ramping up security measures with thousands of personnel roadblocks, fences, cement laden trucks out there. msnbc's cal perry joins me live from here in washington with some of the details. cal, on friday we were in new york and we were talking about whether this year would feel different. it's my fourth inauguration. you've been here before, is security tighter this time around? >> reporter: i think it'll be tighter. i can tell you behind me where the stage is, they're done. they've done the preps. they did the walk-through, they did it actually a day before yesterday, but it's on that side of the national mall where there's a lot more going on. they're going to be still putting up this fence line. they're starng to put in some of the things that the people here will need to use. having grown up here, kate, martin luther king day falling on the week of the inauguration is giving the authorities an empty city to deal with. people don't realize who are not from d.c., but today is empty.
the city is empty and it's allowing them to put in the barricades and get the streets closed. it's the street closure you want to put in place come thursday and that'll keep the cars off the road. we spoke to jeffrey carol. he's overseeing the security. he talked how the police department has a long history of carrying out these inaugurations. >> metropolitan police department has involved since 1985. we're proud. involved in planning this inauguration in all for a very long period of time. we are prepared. >> reporter: one of the things that's also happening is that the authorities and there are over two dozen agencies coordinating with each other. they're preparing for this march on saturday. the day after the inauguration. the march in support of women's rights. and that's going to carry at least 200,000 people here in the nation's capital. authorities are ready dpr that. they're able to back time their inauguration preps. when we speak to police officers that we spoke to a group this
morning, really their shirt will start thursday night and will end some time saturday night to sunday morning, kate. >> and cal, remind me on friday, how many folks have to go through mag no tommer its and checked by security versus can people just come if they want to check it out? >> reporter: it's going to be about a third depending on how many show up. at least 100,000 -- and we're talking about this area right here, right in front of the mall. this is all going to have to be wanded. these are very, very nice tickets. and they're given out to members of congress. if you're in this area, and if you're along the parade route, some of those areas will have the metal detectors as well. >> cal perry, thanks so much. up next, more from my conversation with senator bernie sanders as he looks back on the past year. ents itself? american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order
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past year and looking ahead to our future. a year ago you and i sat together in new hampshire and spoke while you were running. i wonder now -- >> how'd we do in new hampshire. >> you did pretty well. it was right before the vote. and you said you were optimistic and you were right. a year later, can you reflect for me for a moment. what are your feelings about the past year? >> for me and for my family, it's been an amazing year. and having visited 46 states in this country, i ended the campaign far more optimistic about the future of america, honestly, though i'm very disappointed in the presidential election results, more optimistic than when i began. i saw, this is not just rhetoric, this is from the heart, incredibly beautiful people. working people. young people who love this country very, very much. and they want to make it into a much better country. that'll do it for me for this hour. i'll see you back here from the capitol tomorrow afternoon, 3:00
eastern, noon pacific. find me on snapchat, twitter, instagram, tv kate snow. steve kornacki, it's not so bad. >> i like to complain. >> he walks in and says it's cold. it's not that cold. >> i got negative 12 according to my calculation. >> i have long underwear on. good afternoon, thank you for joining us on this martin luther king jr. day. i'm steve kornacki live here in washington, d.c. this also the start of inauguration week here. four days to go now until donald trump is sworn in as president. that's going to take place right behind me at the capitol over there. but topping our agenda right now, trump and legitimacy. >> in the heat of emotion, a lot of things get said on both sides. the goal is to bring america together. and we are a great nation. but we must become a greater nation. >> a visit this afternoon to trump tower from martin luther king