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he said he would not cut dollars from this program. so that's the question i'm asking you. can you assure this committee that you will not cut $1 from either medicare or medicaid should you be confirmed to this position? >> senator, i believe the metric ought to be the care that the patient is receiving -- >> i'll take that as a ? >> it's that -- that's the wrong metric. we ought to be putting forth the resources -- >> i'm not asking you whether or not you think you have a better metric. i'm asking you a question about dollars. yes or no? >> what we ought to do is put forward the resources in order to take care of the patients. >> -- really simple questions. and frankly, the millions of americans who rely on medicare and medicaid today are not going to be very reassured by your notion that you have some metric other than the dollars that they need to provide these services. you know, you might want to print out president-elect trump's statement, "i am not going to cut medicare or medicaid" and post that above your desk in your new office,
because americans will be watching to see if you follow through on that promise. now, i also would like to follow up on senator franken's question. i think there was something there that didn't quite get answered. as you know, congressman, the one goal of the affordable care act was to push the health care industry to provide higher quality care at lower cost. and under the aca, medicare was recently allowed to change the way that it pays hospitals for hip and knee replacements, to something called a bundle. and that means medicare pays a set price for the care associated with hip and knee replacents, anthen the hospitals, not congress, will decide the most effective implants, reduced second surgeries, better fight infections, how to spend their money to deliver better service at higher cost. now, i supported this change, because the research shows that
it really means you get better care at lower prices. but i know the policy is controversial, because it affects how hospitals are paid, which in turn affects how much money the manufacturers at these hip and knee replacements can make. and one of the companies is the company raised by mr. franken, as senator franken, and that is zimmer biomet. they're one of the world's leading manufacturers of hip and knees is and they make more money if they can charge higher prices and sell more of their products. the company knows this and so do the stock analysts. so on march 17th, 2016, you purchased stock in zimmer biomet. exactly six days after you bought the stock, on march 23rd, 2016, you introduced a bill in the house called the hip act that would require hhs secretary to suspend regulations, affecting the payment for hip and knee replacements. is that correct? >> i think the bbci program, to
which i think you roefeferred, a strong supporter of, because it keeps -- >> i'm not asking you why you support it. i'm asking, you did you buy the stock and then did you introduce a bill that would be helpful to the company you just bought stock in? >> the stock was bought by a broker that was making those decisions. i wasn't making those decisions. >> okay, so you said you weren't making those decisions. let me just make sure that i understand. these are your stock trades, though? they are listed under your name, right? >> they're made on my behalf, yes. >> okay, was the stock purchaser an index fund? >> i don't believe so. >> through a passively managed mutual fund? >> no, it's a direct -- it's a broker -- >> through an actively managed mutual fund? >> it's a broker -- >> through a blind ust? so let's just be clear, this is not just a stock broker, someone you pay to handle the paperwork. this is someone who buys stock at your direction. this is someone who buys and sells the stock you want them to buy and sell. >> not true.
>> so when you found out -- >> that's not true, senator. >> because you decide not to tell them, wink, wink, nod, not, and we're all just supposed to believe that? >> it's what members of this committee, it's the manner in which -- >> i'm not one of them, so -- >> i understand that. but it's important to appreciate that's the case. >> then i want to understand, when you found out that your broker had made this trade, without your knowledge, did you reprimand her? >> what i did was comply -- >> a note that she made it. did you fire her? >> what i did was comply -- >> did you sell the stock? >> what i did was comply with the rules in the house in an ethical and legal -- >> i didn't ask whether or not the rules of the house let you do this. >> -- in a transparent way. >> time has expired, senator warren. >> i believe senator murkowski went over by two minutes. did i misread the clock here? >> by two minutes. >> i think that's what it was. and i just burned another 15 seconds. >> well, keep burning 'em and you'll be up to two minutes. >> okay.
>> so your periodic transition report notes that you were notified of this trade on april 4th, 2016. did you take additional actions after that date to advance your plan to help the company that you now own stock in? >> i'm offended by the insinuation, senator. >> well, let me just read what you did. you may be offended, but here's what you did. congressional records show that after you were personally notified of this trade, which you said you didn't know about in advance, that you added 23 out of your bills' 24 co-sponsors, that also after you were notified of this stock transaction, you sent a letter to cns, calling on them to cease all current and future planned mandatory initiatives, under the center for medicare and medicaid innovation, and just so there was no misunderstanding about who you were trying to help, you specifically mentioned -- >> your two minutes are up, senator warren. thank you. senator warren, who's next?
>> senator isaacson has three minutes. >> i want to make a point, i respect everybody on this committee tremendously. i respect the nominee. >> there you have it, tom price in a senate hearing there, massachusetts senator elizabeth warren grilling him. he spent the better part of the morning talking about various stocks that he did and did not own, when he owned them. good afternoon to you. i'm craig melvin live from washington, d.c., just steps away from the capitol. the center of all the action today on a very busy day, all while preparations are in overdrive for donald trump's presidential inauguration happening less than 48 hours from now. on the hill today, hearings for four of trump's cabinet nominees, his picks to head health and human services, commerce, the epa, and u.n. ambassador, as well. all of them facing questions from senate committees on the hill.
we have our reporters fanned out across america, from coast to coast, as folks around the country gear up for the inauguration. we'll get their take on what they want to see from the president-elect in just a few moments. but let's start, let's start with those hearings. today's cover three men, one woman, all of them charged with carrying out some of president-elect's trumps biggest campaign promises. repealing obamacare, a massive infrastructure bill, repealing environmental regulations, and working with allies to defeat isis, as well. kasie hunt and kelly o'donnell are on capitol hill. hans nichols is at the pentagon for us, and thompson standing by in new york, but first, the nominees, in their own words. >> nobody's interested in pulling the rug out from under anybody. we believe that it's absolutely imperative that individuals who have health coverage be able to keep health coverage and move, hopefully, to greater choices and opportunities for them to gain the kind of coverage that they want for themselves and for their families.
so i think there's been a lot of talk about individuals losing health coverage. that is not our goal, nor is it our sire nor is it our plan. >> did you even file one lawsuit, one lawsuit on behalf of those kids to reduce the air pollution in your state and help them to have a healthy life? >> senator, i've actually provided a list of cases to the chairman, with respect to enforcement steps we've taken. >> i think cyber, if nothing else, was a big enough issue in the campaign that everybody is very sensitized to it, for very local reasons. but it is going to be an increasing issue from a whole variety of directions. >> what i'll tell you is russia is trying to show their muscle right now. it is what they do. and i think we always have to be cautious. i don't think that we can trust them. i think that we have to make sure that we try and see what we can get from them, before we give to them. >> msnbc's kasie hunt is
covering the price hearing that's still actually going on right now. as i understand, senator hassen questioning price right now. democrats peppering the georgia congressman over his stocks. also, they spent a great deal of time talking about the future of obamacare. also, of course, nope as the affordable care act. give us a rundown of what this one's been like, kasie. >> reporter: so a lot going on here, craig. and this is not tom price's official confirmation hearing, but this is a hearing that could have repercussions that we'll be talking about for months, because of how critical a role tom price is set to play in the repeal of the president's health care law. and a lot of the questions today, focused on that. he's not gotten into details about what the republican replacement plan for the health care law might be, that's very much on purpose. we knew that from the transition going on. but you've had a lot of democratic focus on that, because there is some tension between what the president-elect
has said publicly about health care, and what a lot of the republicans here in congress say they want to do. so you heard price talk a little bit about making commitments to making sure that americans stay covered. but a real contentious park, a political piece of this hearing, craig, focusing on stock trades made by congressman tom price. this is a story that democrats have been really focused on the last couple of days, arguing that tom price traded in zimmer biomet, a medical device firm, a small company, that he traded stock and days later introduced a bill that would help that company. and that, of course, insinuating that there is a conflict of interest there. we've got very strong pushback, a letter just in from tom price's lawyer, arguing that he had no knowledge of the trade at the time that it was made. but we have a little bit of a discussion of this from earlier on today in this hearing. take a look. >> i have no idea what stocks i
held in the '90s or the 2000s or even now. all of these decisions for all of us, i suspect, are through mutual funds and through pension plans. >> reporter: that's the argument, essentially, he has a financial adviser who makes decisions on his behalf, that he was not made aware of this until after he was told, hey, you have to file these financial disclosures. you can take ak at the official records for these stock trades online, because theare required, members of congress, to disclose wnhey e trading stocks in companies where their legislation might affect them. craig? >> it was also interesting hearing the georgia congressman talk about not knowing that he owned tobacco stocks for the better part of 20 years, as well. kasie hunt for us on capitol hill, thanks. nbc's anne thompson has been working the senate, environment, and public works confirmation hearing. this is a confirmation hearing of scott pruitt. he is president-elect trump's choice the lead the epa, the environmental protection agency.
and we heard from a number of democrats voicing concerns about pruitt's commitment to environmental issues. we know that he actually sued the epa more than a dozen times as the attorney general there in oklahoma. how did that play out in this morning's hearings? >> it's been very contentious, craig. the questioning from democrats has been very pointed and a lot of it has been focused on the issue of climate change. and all of these issues happen on a day where noaa and nasa have come out fwiindings that s 2016 was earth's hottest year on record, the third year in a row. as you know, bernie sanders made climate change action a centerpiece of his presidential campaign and he sits on the senate environment and public works committee that is holding this hearing. and he went right after scott pruitt on the issue of climate change. >> senator, the job of the administrator is to carry out the statutes passed by this
body -- >> why is the climate changing? >> senator, in response to the co2 issue, the epa administrator is constrained by statutes -- >> i'm not -- i'm asking you a personal opinion. >> my personal opinion is immaterial. >> really? >> to the job of -- to the job of -- >> you are going to be the head of the agency to protect the environment and your personal feelings about whether climate change is caused by human activity and carbon emissions is immaterial? >> and in fact, scott pruitt never directly answered that question. senator sanders also went after pruitt on the issue of all the earthquakes in his home state of oklahoma, earthquakes that scientists say are being caused by the injection of waste water from the fracking process that gets oil and gas out of shale. and he asked him if he had ever filed a suit or study up and said anything about those earthquakes? and scott pruitt could not answer. and after that very tense
exchange, senator sanders said, well, you're not going to get my vote. craig? >> anne thompson covers the environment for nbc news. ann, thanks for your time this afternoon. meanwhile, the senate foreign relations committee also considering the nomination of south carolina governor, nikki haley, they are considering her to be the u.s. ambassador to the united nations. hans nichols has been following that hearing for us. has it been smooth sailing so far for the governor from south carolina? >> well, smooth sailing for her at the committee, craig. whether or not she has choppy waters when she returns to trump tower, and talks to her boss, that's a different boss, because nikki haley is now the third nominee to break publicly with president-elect donald trump on russia. listen to what she had to say when she was pressed on sanctions for russia. >> i don't think that we can trust them. i think that we have to make sure that we try to see what we can get from them, before we give to them. they certainly have done some terrible atrocities, when you look at things in syria and how
they are working with iran, and i think that we have to continue to be very strong back. >> craig, we now have the third member of what will be president trump's national security council taking out a more hawkish view on russia than the president-elect herself. now, in other manners, she was mostly in line with trump's world view, critical of the iran deal. she said that before. wants to move the capital of israel -- move the embassy, excuse me, the u.s. embassy in israel to jerusalem. that's in line with the president-elect. so on most cases, she toed the party line. but i thought the deviation on russia was perhaps the most significant. and again, we need to sort of parse this out. when you have this many members of the president's cabinet saying one thing on russia and then you have the president-elect saying another, we're going to have to figure out which one is official policy. craig? >> it wasn't that long ago when the governor from south carolina wasn't publicly critical of donald trump.
still a big surprise to a lot of folks that he actually tapped her to run, to be the ambassador to the united nations. hans nichols, thank you for that. nbc's kelly o'donnell covering billionaire wilbur ross' confirmation for secretary of dmers. kelly o., democrats very curious today about ross' plan to divest versus that of president-elect trump's plan. tell us more. >> well, in part, this hearing for commerce nominee wilbur ross was delayed because he was still working with the office of government ethics to go through what is a very complicated maze of his financial holdings. he is in the top 250 wealthiest americans, a net worth estimated between $2.5 to nearly $3 billion. and he has made an agreement to divest over the next six months from 80 different companies and to separate himself from nearly all of his holdings. that was a subject in today's confirmation hearing, in part, because he will be dealing with issues that could cause ethical
issues or conflicts of interest, because of the nature of his vast investing past history. and so he was asked and this is the exchange between richard blumenthal, and the designated secretary, about how he is taking care of this particular divestment business and how it might differ from the president-elect. >> but simply, as a matter of appearance and morality, for that matter, you were able to do it. why not the president? >> i'm not familiar enough, senator, with the exactitudes of his holdings to have any judgment as to how easy or hard it would be to do it. >> you did it to avoid any conflicts of interest, correct? >> that is correct, sir. >> and he was also pressed on this further, and ross said that the rules that apply to a senate confirmed position, such as the one he is up for, are different than those directed at the president.
and so h gave a little room there for donald trump's position of not doing the traditional divestments. so that has been of high interest. they've also talked about nafta and trade and the imbalance with china. a lot of issues that will be a part of the economic plan of the new trump administration, but this was a hearing that did not have as many fireworks as we have seen, but some of the other nominees. wilbur ross is not in opposition with trump on many issues, and those areas of common interest are far greater and far more to the core of what the trump administration hopes to do. wilbur ross is 79 and is seeking this position with the hope of trying to increase growth to north of 3%. that was his goal today. craig? >> kelly o. for us there. again, we are going to keep a very close eye on all four of these hearings that are happening right now. commerce secretary, hhs, u.n. ambassador, and the epa. of course, as you can see, that
room empty right now. but we're keeping a very close eye on those hearings as we approach the lunch hour. but we also have some breaking news right now. chris jansing is live for us at the white house with the update on the condition of former president george h.w. bush and his wife now, as i understand it. chris, what can you tell us? >> this is concerning news. we had reported this morning that george h.w. bush, bush 41, as he is so fondly known, had en admitted to the hospital with breathing problems, but they thought he was resting comfortabland would be out in a few days. now we have just gotten word from his office that he has been admitted into intensive care, and in fact, they had to do a procedure on him that required him to be sedated. they said they had to protect and clear his airway. as you may know, he suffers from a form of parkinson's disease. he's had breathing problems before. he's been hospitalized for them in recent years. he also took a fall, where he had a broken bone. having said that, he also as recently as june took a group of
wounded warriors out in his boat to go fishing, and a couple of years ago on his 90th birthday, he famously did another one of his jumps out of a plane. he did a tandem jump. that was the way he celebrated his 90th. but right now, houston methodist hospital says that they had to take him in for a procedure that required sedation. they now say he is resting comfortably in the icu. what is also new, craig, is that mrs. bush was admitted to the hospital as well, as a precaution. they said she is suffering from fatigue and coughing. they expect to be able to give us regular updates, but obviously, 92 years old, suffering from parkinson's. the former president has been in increasingly frail health over just the last couple of years, and now, again, admitted to the intensive care unit where he remains, craig? >> 92 years old. he's at the houston methodist hospital. we can also tell you that doors there saying this is an
acute respiratory problem, stemming from pneumonia. again, 92 years old, president george h.w. bush, now in icu. his wife also in that same hospital with fatigue and coughing. we are keeping a very close eye on the situation in texas. more on those hearings with four of president-elect trump's top cabinet nominees. one of the senators who's been questioning commerce secretary nominee wilbur ross, that senator will share his take on the hearings and the president-elect's nominees in general. that will happen on the other side of this break. it's beautiful. was it a hard place to get to? (laughs) it wasn't too bad. with the chase mobile app, jimmy chin can master depositing his hard earned checks in a snap. easy to use chase technology
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front and center. joining me, senator shotts. senator, i know you spent some time with wilbur ross a few minutes ago, in that hearing. i want to get to him in just a minute, but let's start with the epa. oklahoma's attorney general picked to run that department, you've expressed some concerns about scott pruitt. what concerns you most? >> well, he's a professional climate denier. and i think it's really important to make a distinction between someone who's just a sort of run-of-the-mill republican, who opposes president obama's climate agenda, who may view climate issues differently than most liberal democrats. that would be perfectly within the bounds. we understand it's a republican administration. we're going to get republican appointees. but scott pruitt is absolutely out of bounds. this person has made a career out of undermining the clean air and clean water act. he's made a career out of undermining climate science and climate action. he was the head of the republican attorneys general association, and all they do is
try to undermine the ability for the epa to keep our water and our air clean. so this is a full-fledged environmental emergency, and we need as much pressure as possible on the united states senate, because there are sometimes some reasonable republican senators on this issue, but so far, they haven't spoken up. >> senator shotts, stand by for me, if you can. i want to listen in just a bit here. tom price's hearing is continuing. one of your colleagues, virginia senator tim kaine, posing a question. let's listen in for a bit and talk about it on the other side. >> the president and congress should strive to do no harm. would you agree with me? >> absolutely. >> and we shouldn't harm people by reducing the number of people who have health coverage or reducing the quality of the insurance coverage they do have. that's what we should strive for, right? >> i think it's important to appreciate that there are challenges in these programs, currently. one out of every three physicians who ought to be able to see medicare patients across this country doesn't see
medicaid patients. if we're honest and sincere about addressing these problems, we ought to step back and say, why is that? what are we doing wrong? one out of every eight physicians who are eligible to see seniors, no longer sees medicare patients. if you're a new medicare patient trying to find a physician that -- a new physician that sees medicare -- new medicare patients, it's almost impossible anywhere in this -- >> i am all with you on fixing challenges and going forward, more coverage, more offeredable -- >> and that's what we're trying to do. that's what my proposals have tried to do. >> that is important. we shouldn't harm people by doing things that would increase their costs, correct? >> i think we need to drive down the costs for everybody. >> right. we shouldn't harm people by creating an anxiety about the most important things in their lives with, their health care and the health care of their families. we shouldn't be doing that in congress, should we? >> one of my goals in this entire debate is to lower the temperature of what we're talking about. because this is real stuff for folks. these are their lives -- >> can we lower the temperature in russia at the same time?
>> i think we can move a pace, but lower the temperature. and provide stability to folks out there. people need to know that there's no rug needs to be pulled out from them. >> i'll join you that. i don't think lowering the temperature is my experience with rushing. my experience in going around virginia is huge amounts of fear. and we shouldn't harm the american economy. health care is the biggest sector of the american economy, one sixth of it, by injecting uncertainty into it. we should, again, try to fix the problems that you've identified or those that i might identify and do them in a way that provides some stability and certainty, shouldn't that be our goal? >> yeah, certainty is incredibly important. i'm reminded of the fact that the congressional budget office has told us that the aca has actually decreased the workforce by the equivalent of 2 million ftes. so there are challenges that we have throughout, and i would hope that what we're able to do
is we're able to work together to solve those challenges. >> do you agree with the president-elect that the replacement for the affordable care act must ensure there's insurance for everybody. >> i have stated here and always that it's incredibly important that we have a system that allows for every single american to have access to the system they desire. >> and he stated that we should negotiate with pharmaceutical companies under medicare part "d" to try to bring down prescription drug costs. do you support that position of the president-elect? >> i think the cost of drugs is in many instances a real challenge for folks and we need to do all that we can to make certain that we bring those costs down. >> here's kind of an off-beat questions, a coincidence based on today. i was at a hearinging wi with n haley, governor haley, nominated to be u.n. ambassador, right before i came in. she played a really important rule in moving her state away
from the confederate battle flag. when you were with the georgia legislator, you sponsored resolutions to make april confederate history heritage month in georgia, and quote, urging schools to commemorate the time of southern independence. and i would like to introduce that resolution for the record, mr. chair. i red the resolution with interest, because of the phrase, commemorating the time of southern independence. and i pulled it up and i note that the resolution that commemorated the time of southern independence mentions nothing about slavery. why did you support that resolution and do you still support it today? >> well, i haven't thought about that in a long time, senator. but i'm happy to look at that, and go back and try to refresh my memory about that. >> set theesolution aside. what's laudatory about the time of sovereign independence. >> i think every heritage has things that are good about it. every heritage has things that are harmful about it. and so i'm happy to answer a
specific question. i think slavery was an abomination. >> do you think history resolution about confederate history month, any connection to slavery, meets the basic standards of fair, balanced -- >> i don't know it presumed to be comprehensive. what i do know, the work i did as the first republican senate majority leader in the history of germaorgia was to make sure came forward with a flag nah did not have the confederate battle flag on it and expressed all the concerns of the state and supported the state and we did so in a bipartisan way and i was privileged to work with now atlanta mayor kasim reed, when he was in the georgia senate at that time, to make sure that we were able to do so. >> you're aware that there's an office of minority health at hhs that was created in the affordable care act. >> yes. >> and if the aca is repealed, that office would also expire? >> again, that's a legislative
question. if i'm privileged to be c confirmed and being secretary of health and human services, i'll make sure we use the resources available to us and the agencies available to us within the department to make sure every single american has the highest quality health care available. >> and why did you use the phrase socialized medicine to explain your vote against the chip program. >> i don't know that i recall that conversation or that quote, but i'm happy to go back and look at it. >> thank you, thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you, mr. kaine. senator scott. >> all right, senator shotts, you still with me here? we were listening to tom price there, answer some questions from virginia senator ted kennedy who wrapped up by asking for a reference to the chip program. tom price at one point says soci socialized medicine, c.h.i.p., the children's medical program,
part of the medicaid program. assuming he comes out of committee, are you a way or a nay on confirming tom price? >> i can't vote for tom price. i think you saw during the hearing questions, where tim kaine, ably interrogated him. he's just out of the mainstream. he's actually -- he voted against the children's insurance program, which was an initiative of orrin hatch's. he is against the affordable care act. and the cbo, he cited the cbo study. the cbo yesterday came out and assessed that there would be not 22, but 32 million individual americans without health care coverage, and we can anticipate that the cost of health insurance will go up 20 to 25%. so tom price is about to take us a off a health care cliff. the republicans clearly have no plan, if they did have a plan, they would have introduced it by now. they are in the dark, with respect to what's happening between the chambers, and even among legislatives and
executives. so tom price is clearly out of the mainstream, when it comes to what americans want with their health care. he is one of the more dangerous nominees, because he is so methodical in terms of dismantling the social safety net. he knows the details, he knows the program, and he is going to endeavor to dismantle medicare, medicaid, eventually, i think, he has designs on social security, but certainly, the children's health insurance program and the aca are all on the chopping block and whatever your political affiliation, you know, that's going to harm people that you know, if not your own family. >> senator shotts, really quickly here, as you know, congressman john lewis from georgia, one of roughly 50 members of congress now planning to boycott the inauguration on friday. so far, no members of the upper chamber. why is that? >> well, i'll just speak for myself. first of all, i think individual members can make whatever choice they want to make. there's no law requiring that you attend an inauguration or
don't attend one. for me, it's about recognizing the importance of the peaceful transfer of power. i'm obviously not very much looking forward to friday. it was not the outcome that i was hoping for. but as a member of the senate, i think we need to recognize the importance of the transfer of power, regardless of whether or not we like the outcome. >> senator brian shotts of hawaii, thank you for carving out so much time for us this afternoon. we are going to keep our eye on these four hearings that are happening. one of them, of course, as you can see there, in recess. but right now, secretary of commerce, hhs, and nikki haley, u.n. ambassador, potential u.n. ambassador, all of those hearings happening right now. meanwhile, just days before taking the oath of office, president-elect donald trump sitting down for a series of interviews. what he is revealing about his plans for his administration and a big admission about that twitter habit of his.
also, as washington is getting ready for donald trump's inauguration friday morning, so are millions of americans all over the country, who are expecting some big changes over the next four years. msnbc's jacob soboroff inform holland, michigan, with a preview. what have you got today, buddy? >> craig, as you know, donald trump has promised to bring back american jobs by being tough on countries and companies that harm american workers. what does that actually mean for workers here in holland, michigan and across the country. i'll have the answer for you when come back from this short break. i don't want to live with
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we are waiting for president obama's final scheduled news conference. that is slated to happen next hour. meanwhile, president-elect donald trump making himself available for interviews with fox news and "the washington post." nbc's peter alexander is outside trump tower in new york this afternoon. first of all, pete, any reaction
to his cabinet nominees' confirmation hearings today on the hill? >> yeah, craig, we've been speaking to transition officials over the course of this day, and as they have indicated over the course of this, and note this is a spin alert, they say they feel very good about the confirmation hearings from the very beginning. they feel confident that all of their nominees will be confirmed over the course of the next several days and weeks. it's notable, because in a call this morning, the incoming press seetary for donald trump, sean spicer, says that the first priority is getting all those nominees confirmed and then soon thereafter, donald trump will roll out a position of other positions, including deputies and also some ambassadorships, as well. you were speaking about donald trump's new interviews. a series of interviews, all ahead of the inauguration, later this week. one reporter visiting with him yesterday saying that donald trump who's traditionally bombastic, appeared unusually subdued, that perhaps the gravity of his new responsibilities later this week are now becoming a little bit more clear, saying that he acknowledged some of the messy
realities of governing. one of the potential messy realities will be the effort to replace obamacare. donald trump, who within the last several days said that he is promising coverage, insurance coverage for everybody, had the following to say to fox news on the topic. >> we're going to have, you know, we have to cover people that can't afford it. that's what i'm talking about. >> a lot of people are wondering, how are you going to pay for it? >> you watch. we'll get private insurance companies to take care of a lot of the people who can kafafford, that's going to take a tremendous burden off. >> reporter: some of the other comments that were newsworthy, one with "the washington post" talking specifically about his desire to strengthen the american military upon taking office. he said the following. he said, we're going to display our military. that military may come marching down pennsylvania avenue. that military may be flying over new york city in washington, d.c.
parades, we're going to be showing our military. craig? >> peter alexander, pete, thanks, as always, sir, again, we're watching those hearings on the hill, including wilbur ross' confirmation for secretary of commerce. our jacob soboroff, taking a look at the real-world implications of president-elect trump's campaign issues, in his ongoing series, "what next, usa?" today he is in holland, michigan, looking at how trump's potential trade war could affect american workers. hey, there, jacob? >> reporter: yes, sir, craig. you know, donald trump during the campaign and during the transition has been very tough on companies that are offshoring american jobs, threatening them with big import taxes. he's been -- >> trade war might have been a bit of a -- >> reporter: -- have been unfair to american workers. how could this affect workers? let's take a look. >> products we make are office
cubicles. anything you wanted to modern a modern day office, things like a phone booth. >> reporter: lake michigan's west shore region runs a marketing firm, trendway. >> so you take your cell phone out, and when you're at the office, you can talk on the phone like this. >> why'd you want to go to this business? >> actually, hey, it's a lot better than a lot of them. >> good pay? >> yeah. >> reporter: you're already creating jobs in america for workers. is there any chance that the policy is designed to bring jobs back from overseas, like the president-elect has said, will affect your business? >> certainly, if companies decide to stay and not move to other parts of the world, they're going to have to facilities and offices here, which is good for o you are business. yeah, that's not a bad thing for us. however, one of the things we also see is that, you know, it's a global supply chain. >> reporter: the global supply chain means that even something made in america isn't always.
in 2015, nearly a quarter of the components in american-made goods were actually made overseas. in another part of town, that's something chuck reid at first class seating knows well. >> this is nice. can i sit in it? >> absolutely. >> oh, yeah! >> the two top buttons will make it recline. >> oh, wow. people watch movies. what movie theaters are these seats in? >> they're in a lot of them. >> what part of this is made in china? >> well -- these are the motors we put in there. >> yeah? these are chinese motors? >> no, well, these are made in hungary. but we're pretty sure the component parts inside there are from china. >> i see. >> we have power supplies here, which, again, it does say made in china. >> yeah. >> so when you say made in america, it doesn't always say everything is made in america? >> it's finally assembled here, in america. >> oh, man, american manufacturing at work. >> a nice, even coat on there.
>> so you feel lucky to have a job in manufacturing in the u.s.? >> actually, i do. because back in texas, we worked more when i was there, but we moved to mexico. >> you actually lost a manufacturing job to competition from other countries? >> yes, we did. >> that's what donald trump wants to stop. >> yeah. >> what's your take? do you think he'll be able to do that? >> i'm hoping so. >> the component parts that we buy from overseas, we can't find them in the u.s. anymore. they just, those manufacturing companies have left this area, left the country, and moved overseas. >> have you always worked on manufacturing? >> i did, actually. after i graduated from high school, i got right into it. >> with donald trump coming in, do you think it's a good thing or a bad thing for businesses that do manufacturing in america? >> to be honest, i think it's a good thing, because he's a businessman, so i feel like he's going to bring in more like jobs around here. >> reporter: donald trump's threatening tariffs, like in this december tweet storm, to bring jobs back to the united states. he's also said he would car 45% tax on all imports from china,
which would raise the price of goods assembled with chinese components, including chuck reid's movie theater chairs. >> that would cause us some real pain. that would be real painful. >> what does real pain mean for you? >> real pain to us is not sales. that's our biggest pain. >> and what does not sales mean for these guys? >> it means fewer of them working. >> craig, with 25% of all of the goods made in america containing components, parts from outside the country, it's absolutely fascinating to see here on the ground how that, a trade war, would actually affect workers in a place like this. the bottom line is, they could very well lose their jobs. >> jacob soboroff for us there in holland, michigan. jacob, let's dip back in, if we can, to tom price's hearing again. tom price, georgia congressman, being questioned now by senator patty murray. >> only have a few comments. i don't have additional questions. i was reflecting back on sylvia
burwell's appearance before this committee, and how impressed i was with her appearance. i think you have done as well. i've also been impressed with her performance in the job, because while i disagree with a number of the policies she's taken, she's gone out of her way to adopt the same tone that i've heard from you today, which is to try to accept and work with people with different points of view and if see if we could come to a consensus. i'm impressed with that and i appreciate you being here today. based upon the figures i have, you just endured the most extensive questioning of any secretary of health and human services since 1993. because of the round of questioning, secretary burwell was in the hearing for 2 hours and 10 minutes, sebelius for 2 hours and 28 minutes, dashel for
2 hours and 10 minutes, levitt, less than 2 hours. i don't have it for two others. you've been here nearly four. and next tuesday you'll go before the finance committee, which will vote on whether you go forward to the president. i'm very hopeful that your tone will help us come to a conclusion and a consensus in this very important area of providing concrete, practical alternatives to give americans access to health care they can afford. i was reflecting last night on the hearing and today. they've been pretty testy. we often have strong opinions here, because we have differences of opinions. but i think that's a reflection of, one, the election over the past year, which became very uncivil. more so than i liked. and republicans can take our share of the blame for that. but also, this issue, which for six years, we've been going at it like the hatfields and mccoys
in west virginia in almost we've forgotten who killed who in the first place. and we don't know, you know -- we're not absolutely clear what we're fighting about. so it would take a bedside manner such as you have to lower the temperature, as senator kaine suggested. he and 12 democrats, he was among 12 democrats who wrote a letter suggesting that they were willing to work with republicans, as we go forward. i think it will take a little while to lower that temperature, just a because we spent six years as hatfields and mccoys, but i'm committed to trying. that's the way we usually work in the committee on very contentious issues, skilled like to get away from the testiness of last night and today and back toward the way we've learned to work. a couple of other things, i hope those watching are reassured by what they heard from you. what i heard from you, i believe i'm correct about this, is that while we intend to repair the damage of obamacare and that would eventually mean repealing
parts of it, major parts of it, that that won't become effective until there are practical, concrete alternatives in in pla to give americans access to health care. in other words, you said, we don't want to pull the rug out from under anybody. i'm sure that's a shared view. you've talked some about the importance of march 1st. one thing we have to work together on is what do we do about the individual market, and the fact that the counties -- there's already just one insurer for people with obamacare subsidies and we don't want to get into a situation later this year or in 2018 where there's, you know, as i said, it's like having a bus ticket in a town with no buses. so, we may have so do some things on both sides of the aisle we wouldn't normally do during this transition period to make sure that insurers are willing to sell into the market so these 11 million people continue to buy insurance,
hopefully for more than one person. i think it's also become clear that the timing we've talked about is yet to be resolved really. the sequencing is as important as the policy. how do we get from where we are to where we eventually hope to go? the way i think about it is we immediately go to work on what i call a collapsing bridge, repair it. that's the individual market. make sure people aren't hurt by it. and then work together to build new bridges and then close the old bridge only when we have new bridges up. i think we can make most of the decisions about the, quote, replacement or replacements or the new systems, new bridges, in a relatively short period of time. we've been working on this for years. we have our opinions. we ought to be able to sit in a room and come to a conclusion. in my opinion, then, it will take several years to actually implement those decisions because in many cases we'll be transferring responsibility to states and consumers will want
to do that after talking with governors and insurance commissioners, do it on a schedule that states can accept their legislature sometimes meet only every two years. so, making decisions promptly, making them together, if we possibly can, and then implementing it step by step and carefully so that people are able to have access to lower cost insurance, is what i hope i heard today. one other thing, several members of this committee, maybe all of us, worked very hard. know senator murray did as well, on trying to deal with the electronic health care records. and meaningful use. add vanderbilt, which was an early adopter of the electronic health care records, they said stage 1 was very helpful, stage 2 they could deal with and stage 3 was terrifying. and i had hoped we could delay stage 3. i thought that maybe it could be as simple as saying to the
physicians and providers of the world, look, if you're a doc and you're spending 50% of your time filling out forms, then either you're doing something wrong or we're doing something wrong and let's work together for the next couple of years -- >> exactly. >> -- to see if we can get that down to a manageable level and create an environment where physicians and providers can spend their time talking instead of typing. you have a bipartisan consensus here, at least we did last year when we passed the krunchc.u.r. bill, and i invite to you work with us if you're confirmed to complete that. if senators wish to ask additional questions of our nominee, questions are due by the close of business friday, january 20th. for all other matters the hearing record will remain open for ten days. members may submit additional information for the record
within that time. the next meeting of our committee will be executive session on january 24th at 10:00 a.m., which has already been noticed. thank you for being here today. the committee will stand adjourned. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> there you have it, senator lamar alexander, the committee chair, wrapping up the hearing of tom price. price there sitting for roughly four hours being grilled by members of that committee. we're going to take a quick break. again, we're keeping an eye on the white house. president obama slated to have his final news conference roughly 20 minutes from now. we'll also get an update on the condition of president george h.w. bush. again, he is now in icu at a texas hospital. his wife also admitted to that same hospital. an update right after this. n at" step one:
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president-elect donald trump promised to tackle illegal immigration, in part, by building a wall and tightening border security. nbc's gadi schwartz joins us from mcallen, texas. what are you hearing as you make your way along the border there with mexico? >> reporter: well, a lot of the people out here, they're waiting to see what's going to happen. we've been driving for two days. i want to give you a geographic look. this is a huge flood plane. that is not a border wall. that is a flood wall. if you walk this way, you've got this levee here and then all that brush. this is the rio grande. this is where people cross in rafts, families come over. there is no wall in this area or border fence in this area. instead, what they've got is this waterway.
they've also got border patrol. i'm joined by marlene castro. you wer telling me a little earlier,his is where undocumented immigrants come and actually turn themselves in. >> that's correct. this is popular for what we call family units and unaccompanied minors. this is the area where pretty much they either wait for us or turn themselves into us. >> reporter: a lot of these people coming over, are they aware of what's going on? we have a president being inaugurated tomorrow -- or friday. do they know about the current events here? >> absolutely. people we talk to, they are aware of the current situation, but at the same time, you have to remember, their knowledge or their interpretation of the current situation is developed or molded by the smuggler they hired. >> reporter: coyotes bringing them over. >> correct. >> reporter: thank you. this whole region expecting to see what happens when trump takes office on friday. back to you. >> gadi schwartz along the border for you. a big thanks to you.
that's going to do it for this hour of "msnbc live." a lot happening right now. again, president obama's final news conference set to happen in roughly 15 minutes. meanwhile, a former president george w.h. bush admitted to a texas hospital, in intensive care. brian williams will pick up our special coverage of president obama's final press conference right now. good afternoon from new york. forget what we said about the christmas break about that being the president's final news conference, because now there's today. we woke up this morning, two days from the trump inauguration. you see the white house correspondents there in the front of the white house briefing room. this will be his 39th solo