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unedited pence interview on the "meet the press" website. go get it now. we're back tomorrow. "for the record with greta" starts right now. it's all yours. thank you, chuck. "for the record" tonight, one president saying good-bye, another coming to d.c. then there's this,s a tough day for the future trump cabinet especially on obamacare. we talk to senator rand paul, medical doctor who has his own plan for health care. also, there's breaking news tonight. reports of a joint federal investigation into the russia election hack including claims of a secret money trail into the united states. we're going to talk about the who reporters who broke that story. all that plus patricia arquette in our studio, oscar winner, activist, public face of the women's march on washington. oh, make no mistake about
it, this is going to be really different. historic changes under way right here in washington. in less than 48 hours you will have a new president. and you are looking at president-elect trump's motorcade moments ago outside the trump tower in midtown, new york. the president-elect heading to the airport, he's going to fly 200 miles south to washington for the start of the inaugural parties. and today, lots of action just behind me on capitol hill. four more cabinet hearings and then there's this. look at that picture. that is presidential-elect donald trump preparing for his inaugural speech. and trump prepares for his first speech, as president, it was president obama holding his last news conference. he had some advice for president-elect trump. >> my working assumption is is that having won an election opposed to a number of my initiatives and certain aspects of my vision for where the country needs to go, it is appropriate for him to go
forward with his vision and his values. this is something i have told him. that this is a job of such magnitude, reality has a way of biting back. >> and president obama was asked about all those democrats boycotting the inauguration. >> with respect to the inauguration, i'm not going to comment on those issues. all i know is i'm going to be there, so is michelle. and i have been checking the weather and i'm heartened by the fact it won't be as cold as my first inauguration because that was cold. >> nbc's peter alexander is live at trump tower. peter? >> reporter: greta, good evening to you. donald trump as you noted on the move right now en route to laguardia airport where he will make that trip down to washington, d.c., for some more pre-inauguration festivities tonight. they include the vice president and cabinet secretaries. dinners this evening.
he comes back home to trump tower. tomorrow, again, he heads back to washington, d.c., that time for the last time before inauguration day as he's expected to spend the night in washington thursday into friday when ultimately he will take the oath of office. of course, one of his first official acts as president will be that inaugural address, and earlier today, donald trump tweeted out this photo from just a few weeks ago. at his exclusive florida escape, mar-a-lago, a picture of himself getting ready, preparing himself for the inaugural address. today he did rehearsing of it, did rehearsing of it yesterday as well. he's been consulting with senior staff on his remarks. likely to be concise, they say, roughly 20 minutes or so. he said the theme will center around the idea of america first, a theme familiar through the course of the campaign, having following him for many of the last several months. he'll hit a series of other topics including job creation and immigration. they insist the theme will also be unity. that will certainly be the message. when asking the incoming press
secretary, sean spicer, about that, saying will it be a unifying speech? he said ultimately that is in the eye of the beholder, greta, to be very clear, this is an inauguration, an entire transition of power that has split parties, split lawmakers, and split the public. >> peter, thank you. chris jansing is nbc news senior white house correspondent. chris, the latest from you. >> reporter: well, let me tell you, the president today did, indeed, as we would have expected for a final press conference after eight years defend his legacy, explain what he's been doing in the last couple of days. why did he decide to commute the sentence of chelsea manning? talked about russia and talked about israel. this press conference was really more about the man, what does he stand for, what does he want his presidency to stand for? the question everyone has been asking, what does he do next? so he talked about his future. >> it's important for me to take some time to process this amazing experience that we've
gone through, so make sure that my wife, with whom i will be celebrating a 25th anniversary this year, is willing to reup and put up with me for a little bit longer. i want to do some writing. i want to be quiet a little bit and not hear myself talk so darn much. i want to spend precious time with my girls. >> reporter: but there was also a big but there and he even though talked about being quiet, he said that when he felt core values were threatened, that he would speak out and there was a long list of what he considered to be those values that could be threatened. freedom of speech, freedom of the press, the dreamers, he was concerned about immigration. concerned about many of the issues that his aides have told me over the last couple of weeks that he is proudest of having
defended and the accomplishments that he is proudest of. they will tell you, and i've spent a lot of time with some of his key aides over the last couple weeks, they will tell you he came around more quickly than most of them did to the fact we lost this election, what do we do now? and, in fact, even though they say in the big picture, he hasn't made specific decisions about exactly how this is going to happen, they believe he will continue to be out there for the issues, break in what we've seen, for example, from both president bushes who decided they were going to step aside and not talk about the things that the current president was doing. the difference here as you well know, greta, is this is a president who spent a lot of time during this campaign on the trail for hillary clinton. he talked about these issues. he talked about his concerns about what the president-elect has said as did his wife. and so he is not going to be quiet in his post-presidency. that i think was the message of this.
>> chris, thank you. msnbc's kasie hunt is on capitol hill covering the tom price hearing for secretary of hhs. kasie? >> reporter: greta, some tough questioning for tom price here on capitol hill today. it wasn't his official confirmation hearing. that will come in front of the finance committee later. this was a courtesy hearing with the health committee that has some oversight of the hhs secretary position. and price has come under fire for stock trades that he has made oef his career, over $300,000 in stocks in health care, medical device companies. a few stocks in particular that have come under scrutiny. one, a medical device firm. another a company that was working on a big m.s., multiple sclerosis drug, and tom price acknowledged today he bought on the recommendation of another congressman who is part of the trump transition. watch how tom price answered questions about these stock trades today. >> congressman, do you believe
it is appropriate for a senior member of congress actively involved in policymaking in the health sector to repeatedly personally invest in a drug company that could benefit from those actions? yes or no. >> it's not what happened. everything that we have done has been aboveboard, transparent, ethical and legal. >> reporter: it's important to note that all of the information about these trades that price made has been public information, and democrats have been very focused on bringing this up right at this time, as price is facing these tough questions in his confirmation hearing. but one thing we did learn today, greta, that's a little bit different, is that price did direct at least one of these trades. he acknowledged it publicly. even though the transition team has been saying it was all done by a broker who had no knowledge, excuse me, price had no knowledge of what was going on. greta? >> thank you, kasie. senator rand paul is a republican from kentucky. he's also a medical doctor putting forward his own obamacare replacement plan. and he was at today's hearing
for congressman price. nice to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> before we get to the hearing today, and to your plan, i've thought president obama, at his press last conference, any thought as president obama leaves office? >> you know, i enjoyed working with him and tried to work with him on the areas that i agreed with and i think i see some of that as we go into a new administration that's republican, i see some on the other side aren't too happy to be working with a republican. i actually did try to work with him when i could, criminal justice reform, he and i agreed with on a lot of things and tried to be supportive on that. on a lot of other things we didn't agree but i tried to keep it on an agreeable sort of disagreement. >> you mentioned the new administration. are you ready for a president donald trump? >> yeah. i think that we've gone too far. the whole pendulum on regulation has gone too far and i really think we're stifling our job opportunities in the united states with too many governmental federal regulations. i think one of the things trump's going to do is very quickly undo a lot of that
regulatory overreach. >> all right, doctor to doctor, to congressman tom price for secretary of hhs, going to vote yes? >> yeah, he did a good job today, and he's also through the years been one of the leaders, intellectual leaders in promoting free market ideas and ways to expand insurance that would actually lower the cost and not raise the cost of insurance. >> a doctor -- and were enough doctors -- i never thought enough patients were spoken to when obamacare was first proposed. >> right. >> how about doctors? >> i think doctors do have a firsthand experience. one of the things he said in the hearing today i thought was very telling, he said as he watched his practice over the years, saw more and more people working in the business office and less and less people taking care of the patients that the dollars and employee money was going toward billing and all this other compliance stuff but there was less nurses and less assistants dealing with patients, that that was a real problem for him. i also think, you know, i worked at one of the hospitals he worked at, grady hospital in atlanta, a lot of poverty care
there, it's a charity hospital. my goodness, if you can negotiate that and take care of the horrific train wrecks and accidents and gun shootings that happen that come into the hospital, i think that's the kind of person who has a lot to gather as far as trying to be a critical thinker. >> i don't like the paperwork either, some of it is for a while people thought to minimize fraud, make doctors fill out more papers. i thought, you know, just let it go. i'd rather have them doing medicine and take the risk. >> right. part of the -- a lot of people blame a lot of the cost of medicare, health in general on fraud, but i think it's -- i would call it perverse incentive instead of fraud. the perverse incentive, if you come in and you're a medicare patient, you see a doctor -- if you did, you came in to see a doctor, they have no incentive to undercharge you because you have insurance. private insurance, if you have private insurance, nobody undercharges you because you're not paying. >> like a divorce, no incentive to make them resolve early. make them fight. >> as a patient, you don't seem to care for the price, neither does the doctor because no one's
paying. >> your program, your proposal, first of all, one of the most popular things is in obamacare, i mean, a lot of people don't like it, a lot of people like -- is the fact you have pre-existing conditions and you'll be covered. does your program have that? >> right. in the insurance market now, the people who have group insurance don't have that problem. the people who have a problem with pre-existing conditions are those in the individual market. that's about 7% of the public. that individual market, what i want to do for that individual market is let them get together and get a group plan, and then they would be covered under the pre-existing clause laws that we already have, plus they're covered because once you have a large group plan, you have leverage to get lower prices but you also have leverage to buy an insurance product that you want or you like. so the goal of my plan would be that nobody is left out there by themselves. so if you're a mom and pop and you own a pest control business, husband and wife, you're worried. many middle class people are worried, what if she gets sick, what if i get sick? and that your rates go through the roof or you get dropped.
but that husband and wife who own a pest control business should be able to join with 100,000 people or a million people to buy their insurance and the government laws prevent that now. we need to expand this marketplace and let anybody that wants to group together to buy insurance as a group, we need to let them. this will fix the vast majority of the problem and for a few of the hard luck cases that it may not fix, i think medicaid is there as a backstop for those who can't buy insurance. >> is your program -- has it been scored by the cbo, or your idea, is it going to be more cost effective or less cost effective than obamacare or don't we know? >> ours isn't really a governmental program, ours is a legalization program, a freedom program. it's giving people free choice. >> some people aren't going to take the choice. i think one of the reasons for obamacare, there are a lot of people who don't have insurance, they're not going to get insurance or don't have access to insurance. and suddenly they're going to show up with a very serious problem that's very expensive. >> under the old system before obamacare, about 85% to 90% had
insurance. it's a little bit better now. he gave a lot of people medicaid. there are going to be people who don't save or don't have money. the government backstop is medicaid. you vecan't have everybody on medicaid, how do you pay for it? i said let's be honest, under obamacare, president said 16 million people got insurance. well, they got medicaid. and he says, oh, it's free. well, there is no money in washington. we borrow a million dollars a minute. it was a dishonest accounting system. if you want more people to be on medicaid, which really shouldn't be your goal, your goal should be to expanding the economy and very few poor people, but if you have to have more people on medicaid, each state should have to make a difficult decision, are we going to tax people more to pay for it? we shouldn't borrow the money as a country. >> say you're opposed to single payer system, basically government insurance? >> right. i think that as far as the distribution of goods in general, what kind of system distributes the most amount of goods at the least amount of cost, capitalism.
single payer system is a government-run system where socialism is not very effective at distributing goods. in fact, under socialized medicine, the only way you can distribute the goods is you have to ration them. so you have to say, well, you have to wait a year for your hip replacement because we just don't have enough money. under a socialized system, also, you don't want more doctors, you want less. because the price doesn't go down. this is the real problem with health care in general. if you double the amount of doctors next week, the price should be cut in half. that's way capitalism works. in our country, it doesn't work, either. if you double the amount of doctors, you'll spend twice as much money. actually under our current system, particularly under socialism, if you expand the amount of doctors, expand the amount of hospitals, that goes against what they want because they'll spend more money. but if you allow prices to go up and down when you expand the supply, the price goes down. >> all right. well, the bottom of the income -- under your program, there's still the medicaid, even medicaid expansion, so they're taken care of. the people in sort of the middle income group, under your
program, they'll be able to join in sort of pools and keep the prices down, presumably. >> right. >> premiums down or co-pay. and, of course, the people in the higher income, we're not worried about them, they can pay for their insurance. >> right. really a big part of what obamacare was trying to fix was the working class and it was not successful because what it did is it made insurance costs go up because obamacare said that ten different items have to be covered by insurance. >> that you don't need. >> even under the deductible. made the price too expensive for a lot of working class people. >> senator, thank you for coming back. i'm sure we'll be talking a lot about health care in the weeks and months to come. thanks, senator. >> thank you. today vice president-elect pence sat down with my colleague, chuck todd. he talked about the transition process. >> he's going to express appreciation for our outgoing president and for his administration. i have to tell you, i -- the support that president obama and the first lady have provided and their team have provided in the course of this transition i
think gives great credit to them and should make the nation proud. >> annie is a national political reporter for "boston globe" and david, senior correspondent for the "washington examiner." watching president obama give his final press conditions, your thought. >> yeah, i was so -- it was amazing to watch that. you know, just having watched him for eight years to see his final good-bye. but i thought his demeanor was, you know, it was just classic obama. he's acting so calmly and really trying to calm down his base that is so upset about anxious about trump. it's the thing that some of the activists and leaders in the democratic party have long been frustrated by with him which is he's not sort of energizing them or putting his cause with all of these mopeople who are going toe boycotting. he's tries to be that calming voice. this time he's really turning it toward his own party and his own base instead of trying to rile them up. >> david, imagine what it's
like, you've been president of the united states, all of a sudden you wake up saturday morning -- >> and you're nobody. >> you're nobody. like the rest of us. nobody. imagine, george bush, of course, had to go through it, clinton. can you imagine that transition? >> no. i thought about this because people fascinate me and you are the most important influential human being on the planet for four, eight years and obama's case eight years, and he's going to wake up on friday and at 12:00 noon, he's just going to be like everybody else. i always imagined what it must be like to get on that plane because, you know, every president, they're there for the inauguration of their successor, whether they like them or not, at least that's how it's been in my lifetime, then they get on that plane, which is, you know, no longer air force one, and that's it, man. nobody cares. nobody cares what they say anymore. at least for not a good long while. and i think what president obama was trying to do today was balance his responsibilities as a president handing off the office with his desire to remain active in democratic politics.
i think he is still trying to find his way somewhere between the up and comer and politician that he was, and in a sense what george w. bush decided to do which was completely exit except for a few quiet interjections here and there. >> he's only 55 years old. >> that's the thing. you get the sense that he does -- i take him at his word that he wants a little bit of quiet time and the quote about how he doesn't want to hear himself talk for a little while. i believe that. but he's so young and you do get the sense that he wants to have some sort of role going forward whether -- you know, i doubt it will be elected politics but you do get the sense he's going to want to be part of the conversation and shaping the conversation. and also just the fact he's going to be living pe ing here. he's not going to be able to get out of this washington bubble he sort of says he wants to escape. >> that's a really good point because he's moving basically across town. i mean, for people who don't know d.c., literally a hop, skip
and jump away from the white house. people joke and say we live in a bubble, this is all we see. this is all he's going to see every day, trump, the republican congress. he's going to watch them with a front-row seat dismantle his signature achievement most likely. how do you stay quiet when you're this close to it and don't have a ranch to go retire to and try to get away from it all? >> you know, i really tip my hat, though, to the obamas, the clintons, the trumps, the bushes, everybody who shows up at the capitol on friday and such great dignity. you know, i mean, they send a message to the entire united states that here we have terrible political divide, but this one moment that they -- i think that's very respectful toward the american people. i love that they do that. >> hillary clinton coming. . i mean, my goodness, that's quite something to have the vanquished candidate. >> and, of course, president bush 41 sent a nice note to donald trump but he's in the hospital which is very sad tonight. i mean, he's the quintessential
gentleman. everyone loves him. >> yeah, i think we've heard president obama say this repeatedly, that he's trying to do what president george w. bush did for him after a contentious campaign where all obama did was basically blame george w. bush for everything that had ever gone wrong in the human race, george w. bush made sure the transition was helpful and orderly and that's what obama is trying to do for trump. >> i think vice president-elect pence just said they had done that, succeeded and was grateful, i think. good for them. they're good examples, at least on friday. and the days leading up to friday. thank you both. >> thaurng ynk you. ahead an eye-opening new report about how the feds are investigating the russia election hack. the reporters who broke the story join us live. also inside the final hours of the obama presidency. new poll numbers on his approval rating. and the tweeter-in-chief, donald trump speaks out on why he needs to tweet from the white house. this is msnbc, the maplace for politics. coaching means making tough choices.
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this is breaking news. new reporting on a wide-ranging federal investigation involves russia and claims of secret money trail from the kremlin. here with me are the journalists who broke the story, peter stone, special correspondent, t to mcclatchy. first, what have you learned? >> we found out a working group of six agencagencies, the fbi a other law enforcement and intelligence agencies have been investigating for months what russia was trying to do to influence the election. and part of that is to see what money flowed from the kremlin into the united states. >> peter, what's the money trail? >> it's really, really early, and we've only got an outline of what they're doing at this stage. one angle that we hear they're looking at overlaps somewhat with the information that was in the dossier. they they parentally a apparentg
into whether or not moneys came in and went to -- through a traditional system of pensions. their russian consulates pay pensions to thousands of russian americans in this country. we believe that one part of the investigation is focusing on whether fake pensioners also may have been used to bring in money. in other words, fake pensioners would have been paid, hypothetically, as being investigated, and some of them are thought to be hackers, thought to be, and are under investigation. others could be intermediaries. but once again, this is all a work in progress and this is the money trail that's being traced now as we understand it. >> all right. so i realize it's a very -- infancy of the investigation, but if the money is coming into the united states, presumably, hypothetically, it goes to hackers, is it going to anybody
else? i mean, is there a suggestion -- what were they doing with this money? >> what we do know is that from sources is that associates of the trump campaign and of president-elect trump are being looked at. >> when you say associates, everyone sort of -- now everybody says he's an associate of trump because he's the winner. mine, like, there's -- >> like a friend of bill. >> so many associates in this town. >> right. well, we don't -- you know, we can't -- we can't specify who those people might be, but there are three or four people who have been identified as persons of interest by this working group according to our sources. and those people are being -- are getting a lot of scrutiny. >> when you say looked at, you say a lot of scrutiny, i come from the criminal defense world where, you know, everyone suspected -- i mean, like, everyone's sort of a suspect or everyone's being investigated. >> right. >> is this a serious investigation of, quote, associates to the trump, and, of course, we don't even know what
associates mean? >> we think it's a serious investigation, but it's being very tightly held and getting people to talk about it, even on deep background, is very difficult. at this stage, i don't think we can really name who those people are. >> of course, they may not have done anything wrong. >> they may not have done anything. some of them surfaced in the dossier. some of them were part of the dossier. that came out about ten days ago from the ex-spy in britain who investigated this as well. but material in the dossier has not been confirmed. most of it is still being researched. we believe that the justice department is looking at that. we've heard that the justice department is looking at that. they're treating it as raw intelligence because there are mistakes in there clearly. they've been uncovered. mistakes have been uncovered by the media. spelling errors. other errors. but the man who wrote that does have a track record. he's worked with the fbi before. he's done credible work. so it's being taken seriously.
but we wrote about an investigation that proceeded the dossier that started in the spring well before this came into -- dossier came into being, and, you know, we were relying on our sources, also relying somewhat on a bbc report that came out about a week ago which also referenced the earlier time that the investigation started. >> but as your reporting goes on, i hope you'll come back because i'd like to hear more on this and see where this investigation goes. if it goes anyplace. thank you both. >> absolutely. thank you. ahead, it must be the most famous twitter account in the entire world. donald trump answering critics who say he should kit it. also oscar winner patricia arquette joins me to discuss the women's march on washington. first, president obama's final press conference on his legacy, what he thinks the future of this country is. hashtag "stuffy nose." hashtag "no sleep." i got it. hashtag "mouthbreather." yep. we've got a mouthbreather.
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people. at my core, i think we're going to be okay. we have to fight for it, we have to work for it and not take if for granted. >> just two days to go before president obama hands over the keys to the white house to president-elect trump. now he's leaving office on a high note. his approval rating at 60%. that's his highest since 2009. here's how that stacks up against the most recent presidents. he's up there with reagan and clinton and nearly doubles his immediate predecessor george w. bush. on friday, president obama joins one of the world's most exclusive clubs. ex-presidents. lynn sweet is washington bureau chief at the "chicago sun-times" and a short time ago was at the president's last press conference at the white house. being from the "sun-times" you've been following president obama, senate obama, probably state senator obama. >> i knew him when he first tried to run for the house of representatives, a race he lost in the democratic primary. if he won it, he still might be in the house. >> yeah, indeed. what do you think today watching him? >> a little wistful.
very sentimental. seemed ready to go. talked about wanting to write the book. he's used this word a few times, greta, that he wants to get quiet. and that doesn't mean stop making speeches. i take that to mean that he's looking to kind of find that inner self, inner stillness that you lack when you're president with everyone being at you. we know he's going to write a book, millions of dollars for it. >> any idea how much he'll make for that book? >> more than $10 million. i've seen different anymores. why don't we just say millions? >> millions. we'll say that. when he talks about wanting to be quiet, i think he has to figure out the book as a practical way, but he wants to reflect. he wants to figure out what his story is for his own future life which he has been thinking of and working on this past year with some advisers in and out of the white house to figure out what the story is. he wants to tell in his obama center. and then he has to figure out
what he wants to do in the book. i found what was interesting here is that he gave a little advice to trump, kind of subtle, like there's a lot to this job. >> he also said something about keeping the press corps and the white house basically, that was a jab at trump. >> a jab, you think, not subtle. all are great champions of it. that is something i don't know if, you know, if trump was listening. we didn't see any tweets after the press conference. but the bottom line for me on this end of the road, after this long off-ramp here, is he seemed at peace and just ready, really kind of eager to move on to the next chapter. you know, they have been so structured in how they have done this last year. everything just went off as a master plan. when they rented the house, when he rented his office that he's going to work out of in washington. everything has just had a structure and a plan to it. a series of farewell events that have stretched back almost a
year. so now, today, unless something unexpected happens, this is the last time we'll hear from him as the president of the united states. >> you know, it's interesting watching, we watched the girls grow up. >> oh, my. >> just like the bush children. all of a sudden, like, where'd that go? how'd that happen so fast? they came as little kids. >> isn't it -- one of the most remarkable things is that these are the eight years where you really see a kid grow. >> yeah. >> george w. bush's daughters were already in college. so you don't quite see that big -- >> chelsea, we saw chelsea. >> yes, we saw chelsea grow up. so dramatically. we go back. and so to see these kids develop so nicely, scandal free. >> nice kids. >> he said one thing, they'll never run for public office. >> maybe they'll change their mind on that. lynn, thank you. >> thank you. coming the next commander in chief will be the first tweeter in chief. donald trump speaking out about why he plans to use social media from the white house. i'll speak to pa tristricia
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>> but a new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll shows 69% of americans think trump's use of twitter, bad habit. margaret sullivan, media columnist for the "washington post," and david for "u.s. news and world record." your tweet, you're quoted as saying "i've written the media has to stop treating every trump tweet like a five-alarm blaze." >> right, i mean, some of them have made news, greta, but a hot of these things are just sort of what's on his mind at that moment in time. maybe something about the musical "hamilton." some are newsworthy, some aren't. i don't subscribe to the idea that we ignore his tweets, e don't think that's possible. i don't think they're all created equal. >> everyone is taking the bait, he's taking the bait from the media, the media is taking the bait from him. the whole twitter thing -- we're all sort of drowning in this. >> he knows he drives the news
cycle with it. it's how he campaigned. the morning shows has his tweets up on screens, panels of them. he can drive news and not answer questions about them, to get around the q&a dialogue, the interviews he's doing now, but stopped doing toward the end of the campaign into his transition. i think it's less about also that he's tweeting but, and more about what he's tweeting. the reason he's got that 69% disapproval is because he's going after meryl streep, he's talking about arnold schwarzenegger's ratings and "the apprentice," stupid stuff, trivial stuff a president-elect probably shouldn't be talking about. >> he did get elected and a lot of people do support him. he's outfoxed the media. he's got the media chasing him but he's in the cat bird seat. we're all writing about his tweets and he's insulting the media and punching back. he hits back hard. >> he eliminated the gatekeeper function of the media and goes directly to the people which is what he's talking about when he says the media's dishonest, if they weren't dishonest, i wouldn't have to tweet. i mean, think what that --
>> has he outfoxed the media? >> in some senses he really has. we need to do our job even better not in covering tweets but covering actually his actions >> now the hard part. now he has to govern. i think it's a lot easier to campaign via tweet. how do you do a repeal and replace on obamacare via tweet? that's impossible. i think if you talk to some republicans on capitol hill, there's a little bit of confusion about what he really wants in legislation, what his priorities are, because mostly we hear and report on his tweets and i think it is incumbent on the capitol hill press and will be on the white house press to expand that coverage and also ignore some of the tweets that we all obsess over. >> can you in sort of thinking back in the last almost two years eve withyear s we've been covering him closely, do you ever remember him taking the first swipe? someone takes a mild swipe at him then he nukes the person. >> trump is a classic counterpuncher, that's what he does, i think he learned it from
the best. that's what he does. i don't think he sets out to say who can i insult today? but if somebody takes a swipe at him or he sees something as less than adulation, he's right there. >> i think it would be absolutely terrible if the media let him move the white house press corps out of the white house because first of all i think it sends a message to the world, imagine, we have our media in the white house, that's incredible message to send the world. but if in any way that press corps gets moved out, think that's terrible. >> it sounds like they are not going to move it outside of the white house. sean spicer, his spokesperson today -- >> he got beaten into that one. >> on your prior point about he's a counterpuncher, that doesn't -- when you're president, you can't counterpunch all day. guess what, you're getting hit all day. he's going to have criticism all day. obama did, george w. bush did. he can't respond to everything. got to have self-restraint as a president. >> you know what he's probably saying, watch me. don't you think? >> he's at 30% approval rating. one of the lowest approval ratings. we're going to watch and see if that, if the tweeting allows him
to improve on that. i'm not -- >> the other thing, most americans, regular citizens are not on twitter. >> right. >> it's kind of a thing where journalists are talking to each other and politicians are talking to journalists and each other. >> all right. well, buckle up. we're going to have a wild four years. anyway, thank you, both. up next, patricia arquette used her oscar-winning speech to speak out for women's rights. she's here in d.c. to march for those rights. that interview is ahead. the microsoft cloud helps us
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the ice shelf to break away entirely, if that happens the it will be left floating on a giant iceberg. number one, sony's new flat-screen tv is thinner than an iphone. the tv is so thin when you look at it from its side, it's prakts practically invisible. what's that invisible is the hesthy hefty $2,000 price tag. so now you know. 200,000 people expected to descend on washington this saturday for the women's march on washington. many celebrities man to be there. recently one dropped by our studio here in washington. this is fun for us. we don't get this often. academy award winning actress and activist, patricia arquette joins us. nice to see you. >> nice to see you u. >> welcome to washington. >> thank you. >> and why are you here? >> i'm here, i'm going to be going, being part of the women's march. >> and that's on saturday. >> that's right. >> and a protest against president-elect, soon to be president trump? >> well, i think some people are coming as a protest. i think really it was a grassroots thing after the election. a lot of people were concerned
with a lot of different issues and decided that they wanted to come to d.c. and make sure that their voices are heard. >> as i understand it, i mean, a lot of the people coming here, the women wanted secretary hillary clinton to be president. fair assumption? >> yeah, i think that's true and a lot of people who probably wanted bernie sanders. >> or bernie sanders. >> i'm not a march organizer. part of the organization of this march. i feel strongly as a citizen. i think clearly a lot of citizens did and they want to come here and make sure that their voices are heard. >> what's the voice that you think is not being heard? >> i think some people are concerned about some cabinet picks, for instance, a lot of people who are concerned with climate change are worried that the head of the epa is a climate change denier. and what will the impact be for the next generation of kids, of americans of global citizens? >> so it's not necessarily a woman's issue that the march is for, it's women who will be
supported by men, of course, there will be men a this march on saturday who predominantly women about many issues. not just, for instance, equal pay or something like that. it's about many issues. >> yeah. i, myself, am a strong advocate for equal pay and the equal rights amendment. >> it's hard to understand how someone would not be for equal pay. >> i know, strange. >> actually to see -- i mean, at least for me, you think equal work, equal pay. i don't get that one. that someone has to be an activist for that one. >> the other problem with that is that it's impacting so us negatively as a country, 50% of our nation is raised by female breadwinners. we have one in five hungry kids in america. if you have latinas making 54 cents on the dollar compared to their white male counterpart for the same job or african-american women making 68 cents on the dollar, clearly it's going to impact their children. so we have to do something about this. i mean, women are twice as likely to be poor in their elder years than men are. we have to make a radical
adjustment quickly. >> you know what i don't understand, though, as part of the march on saturday is that there are a lot of women who wanted secretary clinton to be president of the united states. but donald trump got 53% of the women's vote overall to her 43%. where were the women? >> well, i think the numbers i've seen women of color definitely showed up. >> over the 90% went for secretary clinton. overall women. >> i can't say why or how different people voted but i do know there's something that we need to examine with the electoral college because millions of votes are not being counted at all. and yet those people are being taxed and oftentimes it's in urban communities and why are their votes being tossed out? >> it's always -- i mean, anyone who loses the election every four years probably doesn't like the electoral college. typically. >> yeah, but i think that we as
a nation should fairly look at that and there's no reason we have an electoral college. many other nations, every person's vote actually counts. >> equal rights amendment, are we going to see that back in discussion? we haven't heard much about it in about 30, 40 years. >> well, i know it's being presented again for the congress and the house, and i think it's really important. it would be really interesting to see, you know, if donald trump stood up and did something very radical and supported the equal rights amendment. right now, one of the solutions is the three-state solution which is when the women's equal rights amendment was presented, it's the only time in a constitutional amendment that they put a timeline on it was on the women's equal rights amendment. so removing that, then you would only need three more states to ratify. >> what do you think about ivanka trump, his daughter? >> i think she's very smart and i think she's really interesting and i hope that her father will listen to her. >> well, thank you very much for joining us. as i say, we don't get academy
award winning actresses here very -- so it's a lot of fun for us. welcome to washington. >> i just want to say i don't think this march is the end, like, wow, there's going to be a big march. a big demonstration. i think it's actually the beginning. a lot of strong activism across the board. and i think -- i am really praying that both the inauguration and the march are peaceful. because it's part of what makes democracy beautiful. that we have both of these things. >> we respect the 1st amendment very much in this city as long as it's peaceful. we love peaceful protests. thank withdryou very much for j us. >> thank you. "for the record" why i believe most americans are on the same page when it comes to health care, yes, you heard that right. that's next. with advil, you'll ask what sinus headache? what stiff joints? what time of the month cramps? what nighttime pain? make all your pains a distant memory with advil
i want to say something "for the record." this ongoing fight about obamacare is nasty. those who want to repeal obamacare called heartless and cruel. those who do not want to repeal obamacare, they're called socialists. trying to bankrupt the nation. i see it differently. i actually believe most americans are good, decent and just want sick people to have medical care. we just need to figure out how to do it. money is a big part of the problem, but fighting about it doesn't raise a dime. that's just plain stupid. where is our common sense? and frankly, our collective decency? today, during the confirmation hearing for health and human services nominee tom price, senator susan collins of maine talked about a popular practice in her state where a health care worker calls diabetes patients
weekly to monitor blood sugar levels making sure they're eating right and exercising. good idea? >> the irony is that if diabetes gets out of control and those individuals end up having to have amputations or go blind, cms medicare will pay for that, but it won't pay for that phone call to check on the individual that's helping to control their diabetes and keep them well. >> so let me get this straight, medicare will pay the giant cost to get your leg amputated after your diabetes gets way out of control but won't pay for the monitoring which may avoid the catastrophic amputation and the cost? yes. what's wrong with this picture? and guess what, that's just the tip of the iceberg with health care. health care is a real problem. it's not a political weapon. let's use our heads. thanks for watching. see you tomorrow night right here at 6:00 p.m. eastern. if you can't watch live, set
your dvr and follow me on twitter @greta, and check out my facebook page for behind the scenes videos and so much more. there's a lot that i put on may facebook page that never makes air, plus you get to meet all my pets which you may not want to meet. anyway, "hardball" with chris matthews starts right now. a fine good-bye. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. less man 48 hours the obama m presidency will be history. today he answered questions from the press one last time and reflected on his tenure. president obama defended his decision yesterday to commute the sentence of chelsea manning and offered this insight into what his successor, donald trump, will do. >> having won an election, opposed to a number of my