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introducing the new turbocharged volkswagen alltrack with 4motion all-wheel drive. soon to be... everywhere. this sunday, a divided country on a split screen weekend. it began with the this sunday, a divided country on a split screen weekend. it began with the inauguration of a new president. >> yes, together, we will make america great again. >> that brought out hope in some. >> it's amazing to see our democratic process. >> and prompted millions of women to march across the country. >> we are america, and we are here to stay. and around the world. to march for women's rights and against the new president. plus the bizarre fight over
crowd size. >> it looked like a million or a million and a half people. >> donald trump accuses the media of lying about the size of the crowd. but the photos comparing friday's crowd with obama's first inaugural tell a very different story. and that inaugural address that was a call for renewed american strength, and a dark portrait of the nation that president trump now leads. >> this american carnage stops right here and stops right now. my guests this morning, kellyanne conway, chuck schumer of new york. join meeg for inside analysis are chris matthews, hardball,
kristen welker, hugh hewitt and elliana johnson of politico. welcome to a special edition of "meet the press." good sunday morning on this most remarkable of inauguration weekends. at a time when a new president took the oath of office and hundreds of thousands of people gathered on the washington mall to celebrate, the big stories turn ought to be the massive demonstrations spark bid the inauguration of donald trump and then the head-scratching decision by president trump to pick yet another fight with the press. across the country and around the world, more than 2 million people, mostly women, took to the streets to fight for women's rights and to rebuke president trump. in some cases, planned marches had to be canceled because the crowd were too large for the planned route. the crowds rattled the white house.
new press secretary sean spicer gathered reporters, took no questions and then flatly accused the media of lying, intentionally lying to understate the size of mr. trump's inaugural crowd. >> this was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration period both in person and around the globe. >> spicer says the pictures tell the story, so here are the pictures. on the left, a shot taking from the washington monument moments before noon the day of president obama's first inaugural. on the right moments before noon on friday, from the same camera. which crowd is larger? all this came a day after president trump's inaugural address, which delighted supporters with its plain-spoken bluntness. very trump iian, and will be remembered domestically as the american carnage speech and its images of a country as a wasteland of crime, drugs and rusted out factories. around the world, it will be remembered as the america first speech.
but it was the marches in their stunning size, scope, and number, that stole the weekend. in washington dc and around the nation from new york city to boston, chicago, seattle, los angeles, and even every continent around the world, millions of women marched in protest. the message? a historic rebuke to mr. trump and a declaration of feminism in a polarized america. >> thank you for understanding that sometimes we must put our bodies where our beliefs are. >> with signs many made of poster kls board, kids in tow, women, and men showed up in other cities. houston, indianapolis, miami, phoenix, miami, and juneau, alaska and arkansas, women crowded the capital steps. complaining that reporters under reported the size of his crowd.
>> we highway massive field of people. you saw that. packed. i get up this morning and i turn on one of the networks and they show an empty field. >> a country divided fully on display as well. among president trump supporters there is hope. >> making history, changing america. >> i think this will be a dizzying first 100 days. >> 70% of americans believe that under president trump divisions will continue or get worse. past presidents in divided times reached out to opponents. nixon during the vietnam war. >> we are caught in war, torn in division, wanting unity. we cannot learn from one another until we stop shouting at one another. >> george w. bush after a disputed election. >> sometimes our differences run so deep it seems we share a continent but not a country. we do not accept this. >> mr. trump's 16 minute inaugural address crafted by
adviser steve bannon and steven miller, while pleezing supporters, was a declaration of combat. he presented a dark picture of the country he is inheriting. >> forgotten men and women, trapped in poverty, rusted out factories, deprived of all knowledge, the crime, the gangs, and the drugs. this american carnage stops right here and stops right now. >> president trump proposed a solution more populist and nationalist than it was conservative. his rallying cry? >> america first. >> is borrowed from charles lindbergh. those both trump and others have rejected lindh burg eed lindber philosophies. around the world, some leaders were rattled by the "america first" promise.
joining me now is the counsellor to president trump, kellyanne conway. welcome to the white house north lawn that will become a familiar place for you, i think. the presidency is about choices, so i'm curious why president trump chose yesterday to send out his press secretary to essentially litigate a provable falsehood when it comes to a small and petty thing like inaugural crowd size. i guess my question to you is, why do that? >> chuck, the president did many things yesterday and the day before that are very meaningful fo america. he signed executive orders to stop obamacare and all its problems. millions of people lost their insurance, doctors, plans. that stops right now. he's going to row place it about something much more free market and patient-centric in nature. for crowd size, i think the most quantifiable points of interest for america should billion what just happened a few months ago that brought him here, the
states and counties that he won, the counties that went for president obama that now went for president trump. and the fact that millions of women voted for trump. they should be respected. someone should cover their voices as well. i'm about things that are quantifiable and important, i don't think they're judged by crowd sizes, i think they're judged by their accomplishments. we know that president obama and his accomplishments, there's a lot of unfinished business there. on the matter of crowd size, i think it is a symbol for the unfair and incomplete treatment that this president often receives. i'm very heartened to see nielsen came out with the ratings, 31 million people watching the inauguration. president obama had 20.5 million watching hig inauguration four short years ago. we know people are watching the inauguration on different screens and in different modes and that -- for me, there was a prediction of a downpour of rain. i think that deterred many of people from coming.
no question, there was hundreds of thousands of people on the mall and many people were enthused. >> you make a very reasonable and rational case for why crowd sizes don't matter. then explain -- you did not answer the question. why did the president send out his press secretary who is not just the spokesperson for trump, he is also the spokesperson for all of america at times. he speaks for all of the country at times. why put him out there for the very first time, in front of that podium, to utter a provable falsehood? it's a small thing, but the first time he confronts the public, it's a falsehood? >> chuck, if we're going to keep referring to our press secretary in those terms, we have to rethink our relationship. i want a great open relationship with our press. look what happened the day before. talking about falsehoods, we allowed the press to come
into the oval office and witness president trump signing executive orders. of course the senate just confirmed general mathis and kelly. and what happened almost immediately, a falsehood is told about removing the bust from the office. that is flat-out false. >> and it was corrected immediately. >> but why was it said? chuck, why was it said in the first place? >> i don't know. >> everybody is so presumptively negative. >> climb into the head of that reporter. >> oh, no, no, no. that reporter was writing on behalf of the press pool. >> i understood that. >> that falsehood got spread 3,000 times before it was corrected and is still out there. >> you did not answer the question. >> yes, i did. >> you did not answer quet as to why the president asked the white house press secretary to come out in front of the podium for the first time and utter a falsehood. why did he do that? it undermines the credibility of the entire white house press office on day one. >> no, it doesn't.
don't be so overly dramatic about it, chuck. you're saying it's a falsehood. they're giving -- sean spicer, our press secretary, gave alternative facts to that. the point of it is -- >> alternative facts for the five facts he uttered. four of the five facts he uttered were just not true. alternative facts are not facts. they're falsehoods. >> chuck, do you think it's a fact or not that millions of people have lost their plans, health insurance and doctors under president obama? do you think it's a fact that everything we heard from these women happened under the watch of president obama? he was the president for eight years. president trump has been here eight hours. do you think it's a fact that millions of women, 16.1 million women, as i stand here along today are in poverty with their kids. millions don't have health care. that we spent billions on education in the last eight years to have millions of kids still stuck in schools that fail them every single day. these are the facts that i want the press corp to cover. this is the reason i'm here at the white house, to change awful
numbers like that. >> i understand this, what i don't understand is that that is not what yesterday was about. >> yes, it is. >> you did not answer the question. >> it's what his presidency will be about. >> you sent the press secretary to go out and utter a falsehood on the smallest pettiest thing. >> i don't think you can prove those numbers one way or the other. >> i don't understand why you did it. >> you know data well, chuck. i don't think you can prove those numbers one way or the other. there's no way to really quantify crowds. we all know that. you can laugh at me all you want, but i'm -- >> i'm not laughing. i'm just befudtled. >> but you are, and i think it's actually symbolic of the way we're treated by the press. the way you just laughed at me is symbolic, very representative of the way we're represented by the press. i'll just ignore it. i'm bigger than that. i'm a kind and gracious person. i'm really glad that nbc news and chuck todd are so thrilled to cover crowd control. we were mocked talking about the historic rallies during the campaign. donald trump brought in historic
crowds to michigan, north carolina, pennsylvania, and on great days we were ignored and on most days we were mocked and those crowds did matter, because he built a movement. >> of course they mattered. >> the likes of which people haven't seen. >> what i don't understand is why he's litigating this. why stand in front of a memorial at the cia? >> what else did he say? >> about crowd sizes. >> you don't want to talk about what else he said. first of all, his very presence at the cia said a great message to our men and women, our brave men and women in the intelligence community. he went to the cia. he thought he was going to witness the swearing in of his cia director. the united states senate won't confirm him. ask him why donald trump as president has nominated 20 of the 21 to have only two, grand total of two confirmed while he takes office? so the democratic senate wants to hold up treasury, commerce,
energy, education, the list goes on. we should have the respect of having a cabinet seated so this peaceful transition of power occurs properly. but he went to the cia because lies have been told about his relationship and his respect for the intelligence community. so he went right there. we had over 1,000 requests to attend. we can only accommodate 300 or 400. and he embraced the intelligence community. >> can i ask you to tell me what lies about the intelligence community were uttered about president trump's relationship with the intelligence community? >> that he doesn't respect them. do you think what the outgoing cia director said yesterday in a statement, using the vocabulary somehow, quote, improves our relationship with the intelligence community? it is irresponsible, irrepres t irreprehensib irreprehensible. >> is this responsible? he called it, was disgraceful intelligence agencies allowed information so false and fake out something that nazi germany
would have done and did so, disgrace. on january 11th. was it right to compare the intelligence community with nazi germany? >> what was not right was the day before people were releasing a dossier of junk, lies and fake news. why did they release the dossier? people knew that russian hacking had been totally dismissed as having any credibility toward our election results. hillary clinton lost that election, fairly and squarely. basically running on the same messages we heard here yesterday in washington, d.c. and elsewhere. i heard like a repeat. it was this awful sequel, as awful as the original. we litigated all of this in the campaign. they came to washington and said the same thing. donald trump, president trump is very concerned about the leaks that have occurred. and very concerned that people would denegrade the respect he has for the men and women of the intelligence community.
he and vice president pence won't talk about because it's top secret. and they won't leak about it because you're not supposed to. they're protecting our intelligence and the security of people like you and me and our children, chuck, by not leaking. what he said that day on january 6th, naught statement up for your viewers if you want to do an honest service. he said in the beginning statement, i respect the service of our great men and women in the intelligence community. and then last part of the statement was that he looks forward to directing his own intelligence team within 90 days of becoming the president of the united states, to give us a better view of cyber security and to put better security measures in place. it would be nice if he had a cia director. he doesn't today. because the democrats are holding up his cia director. >> i want to go back to a question that you continue to deflect. why was it necessary to send out the press secretary on his first day in office to utter a provable falsehood that now makes a question for everything
that he says from here on out. >> no, it doesn't. >> it will for many american. >> you want them to hear that i'm not answering your questions. you want them to hear that they can't trust our press secretary. that's a very dangerous statement to me. >> what was the motive to have this ridiculous litigation of crowd size? >> chuck, your job is not call things ridiculous. you're a news person, not an opinion columnist. >> please answer the question, why did he do it? >> think about what you just said to your viewers, that's why we feel compelled to go out and clear the air. >> so it's a political tactic to come up with alternative facts and try to set up the press as your enemy? >> no, i didn't say that at all. that's not why i'm here in this building. i'm here because of all of the provable quantifiable facts. because of the devastation and destruction in our schools, with
our health care, in our economy, with our small business owners and, yes, certainly with terrorism. our infrastructure -- this guy is going to do so much in the first week. he's going to talk to prime minister benjamin netanyahu today about the middle east, iran. he will end the week by receiving prime minister teresa may of the uk here. they're going to help renegotiate u.s. and u.k. trade. you want to talk about things the media doesn't want to cover. you missed brexit, you missed teresa may. you missed it all along. america doesn't really -- look. you got 14% approval rating in the media that you've earned. you want to push back on us and yet you have a 14% approval rating. >> all i'm looking for is an answer toy simple question. you never answered why or the motivation of what was necessary about doing that yesterday. >> tell me why you just referred to us as ridiculous. tell me why you were lie bth mlk bust? >> i didn't say anything about the ml -- look, you are
deflecting in order to avoid to answer the question. >> nbc covered that false report as did 3,000 other articles that are still up online. chuck, you can't have a press coming in to the oval office on day one of the administration -- we welcome them in to be open and gracious and to have a great relationship with the press. they came in. and the press pool wrote a false article about the removal of the bust of martin luther king jr. days after, days after president trump met with martin luther king iii, martin luther king jr.'s son in new york city, had a constructive, open conversation where his son said we have to unify and help heal the country together and, boom, any snarky attempt to try to undercut this president in the oval office while he's doing the business of the country. you just -- i mean, we can't have this kind of relationship. >> i completely agree but i'm here to ask basic questions and you're trying to attack me. >> i'm not attacking you. >> with some weird twitter feed. >> you called us ridiculous.
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and he would be the majority leader. and that hillary clinton would win the presidency. he joins me now. senator, let me start with a question that i was going to ask you, and it's one that kellyanne conway, the counsellor for the president wanted to ask you. why hold up mike pompeo's nomination for the weekend. it seems he's going to get confirmed tomorrow. it does look politically petty. >> well, actually, no cia director has been confirmed the day of inauguration. the cia is in very good hands. the number three guy is running it. in fact, i suged to the vice president on wednesday that-to-have brennan stay. you know, he would be willing to stay. he's devoted to the agency. there are very serious questions about mike pompeo. one of the great disputes we've had in the congress over the years, republicans and democrats, not partisan, on each side of this, is security and liberty. and because senators want to have a real discussion of that. it just came out yesterday that mike pompeo might consider going against waterboarding.
just came out yesterday. so to have a discussion for a few days when this man will have enormous power and be in office for maybe up to four years makes eminent sense. advise and consent doesn't mean ram it through. >> i'm sorry, the waterboarding -- i watch ed the pompeo hearing. the waterboarding question was asked and answered. and he said there in front of everybody under oath that he was not in favor of it. >> yeah, but in the questions that just came back friday, he said he would consult some of the experts and there seems to be some backtracking. this is why we have to have discussion. >> it will be voted on tomorrow -- >> so what discussion -- it seems like a petty tla tactic. what discussion is left? >> chuck, that is silly. >> no, what discussion? >> there is plenty of -- this is a debate on the floor. they did not want to have any debate on the floor.
sometimes people are persuaded by the debate on the floor. senator widen, for instance, has very serious questions. it does no harm, none, to have that debate and vote monday night. >> let me ask you about your relationship with the new president. we had some reporting that reportedly you told the president you had issues with two particular cabinet members, not tom pompeo but tom price, one of them. we were eavesdropping on the signing of the nominations, our reporting seemed to be confirmed, because he was almost mockingly, hey, chuck, you seem to love mulbaney or tom price. what does that mean? are you look at a long hold-up of both nominations or do you think you can defeat both nominations? >> let me talk about the cabinet. it's unlike any other we've seen on two basees. we call it the swamp cabinet,
billionaires and bankers. there are more people with huge financial holdings, which they have to divest under law so they don't have conflicts of interest. this takes a tremendous amount of time. many of these nominees did not submit their ethics reports, fbi reports. they were poorly prepared. and we need to examine those conflicts of interest. mulvaney for years didn't pay taxes on a household employee. republicans, when tom daschle had that, allowed him to go into office. and there's an additional problem. a lot of these nominees have views directly against what donald trump campaigned on. we heard in his inaugural speech populist rhetoric. that may be covering up a hard right agenda, at least based on these nominees. price, privatizing medicare. the president said he wouldn't touch medicare in his campaign. mulvaney, can cutting across the board, even cancer research. no one has ever talked about that. devos, greatly diminishing public education. so many of these nominees that have different views than what the president-elect -- now the
president campaigned on that of course there should be scrutiny. will we win some of these dough baits? ? possibly. i will tell you this, chuck, these people will have enormous power over americans for years. to have a little debate and discussion before they take office. if i was the republicans of course i would want to ram a cabinet like this through, i'm embarrassed by it. >> let me drill down on mick mulvaney. you were very careful there. you said republicans had a problem with tom daschle and he ended up withdrawing. you defended tom daschle and said it wasn't a withdrawable offense. if it wasn't for tom daschle, why do you think it is for mick mulvaney? >> my objections to a mulvaney far more relate to his views in the congress as omb dire bchlb >> so that doesn't disqualify -- >> there are many people who
feel that the household nonpayment should have been a reason, and republicans themselves said it. we should have a thorough discussion. how much like it? it seems just like daschle's. >> you said many people. you, yourself, don't believe that was disqualifiable? >> look, i want to see the whole record before i make that decision. my objections are his substantive, hard right different than what he campaigned on. >> you're a student of politics, and you will acknowledge when someone does something well, and if you can, take a tactic. what have you learned from trump's success at getting to the presidency? >> when you lose and election like we do, you don't blink or flinch. you look at it. we did not have a sharp or strong enough economic message. that's what we're going to do as democrats. many people thought trump had a stronger economic message than we did. we'll take the blame for that. i'll take some of it.
we'll all take some of it. we are going to improve and you are going to see a sharp-edged, bold democratic economic plan that's going to help us at the same time that president trump is floundering and going after things that he's having difficulty with, like his cabinet, like the affordable care act, et cetera. >> republicans went sharp-edged against a president obama and we had a polarized eight years. is that what we're headed for here? >> look, we're going to go by our values. we're not going to oppose something because the name trump is on it, as they did. on infrastructure, if he has a robust bill that actually increases federal spending, infrastructure spending, we'll be for it. we'll work with him on trade. if he wants to repeal carried interest exemption, we'll support him. but where our values are different, we're going to oppose him, whether it's the affordable care act, or rolling back the limitations on wall street, clean air, clean water, that's our values that will decide thing, plain and simple. >> i'll have to leave it there. thank you for coming zblon thank
called "the fourth way." i will be plugging away later in the week, i promise you. look, let me set up the conversation. obviously, the conversation that i had with kellyanne conway is up for debate here. let me play sean spicer from yesterday to sort reorient everybody. here it is. >> this kind of dishonesty in the media, the challenging to bring about our nation together is making it more difficult. there's been a lot of talk in the media about the responsibility to hold donald trump accountable. i'm here to tell you it goes two ways. we're going to hold the press accountable as well. >> hugh hewitt, like i began my questioning, the presidency is about choices. you make choices. they obviously made a choice that they wanted to litigate this. can you explain? >> i believe a lot of it has to do -- and i believe in grace. zeke miller is a friend of me from times magazine. he made a mistake. sean spicer made a mistake yesterday. i believe in grace for both of
them. it is not good to begin your presidency at war with the media. so i'm hoping that we don't relitigate it. the most important thing over the weekend was that we didn't have brussels, nice, or san bernardino. general mattis yesterday saluted the guardians and centinels. and the most important thing said we will eradicate radical islam from the world. and that was lost in this. >> i understand that, but it's about choices, chris, and he chose to do this and undermine the credibility of sean spicer immediately. why they chose to do that? >> you break your pick the first day as press secretary. you have to say to the press i'm here to get the news out. we'll disagree occasionally, but that's what this is about. i think the mistake -- you were addressing with kellyanne observable, checkable facts and everybody that covers this will say you tried to press her on the observable checkable fact and she made other points, which were valid and political, but not on that point. and i think that's what you have to do in journalism today.
take the heat for asking the question. take the heat for asking it four times until somebody answers it. you didn't get the answer because there wasn't any answer. the crowds were different. it was the groucho marx line. are you going to believe me or your lying eyes? those pictures tell the story. >> people do things for a reason and trump excels. he does best when he has a foil. he has called the media the new opposition party. he is making the media his foil. he excelled on the campaign trail when he had little marco, lying ted, crooked hillary. he did it with the intelligence community. i think it's not something that can't be explained. it's an intentional tactic and i don't think it will explain. >> even former trump officials have said it was a missed opportunity. his first moment in the briefing room. meeting with prime minister teresa may on friday. why not talk about that? why not talk about the fact that he has been talking to her about a new bilateral trade deal, according to one of my sources?
so, this was essentially a warning to the press and we have a briefing on monday. i would encourage everyone to tune in. i think there will be a lot more fireworks. >> if sean spicer wanted to make sure tv cameras were turned on and cable networks would cover it, he has done a good job of that. >> talking to former press secretaries, republicans and democrats who say when you walk out into that briefing room you have a responsibility to try to tell the truth and to answer questions. and he didn't do either. >> people make mistakes. he was given bad data on the metro. i really believe some poor staffer gave him bad data. >> this wasn't a mistake. it's their intentional -- >> i'm not defending it. >> toward the media. they don't think of it as a mistake. >> but let's give them a little bit of grace. it's your first day. he didn't know how to organize the pool. >> right there's a little bit of first day of school there, which can be respected. >> i have watched sean with great sympathy. i got the feeling he was like a
babysitter who knew that the mother had a camera on him and every word he spoke was being watched in real time or later by donald trump. and he said get in there and shove it at those guy. >> the other thing like he raised his voice and yelled and screamed and it was just -- it was an odd -- by the way, let me quickly go to the inaugural speech and ask you this question. if there had been more of a unifying theme to it, even like bsh, hugh hewitt, do you think yesterday's crowds in the marches would be as intense? do you think we would have seen what we saw yesterday? >> i don't think the president could have done anything to stop the crowds yesterday. interesting moment in history that was spontaneous. i do think it was a grim speech but realistic. it's grown on me a little bit because of his focus. i would urge everyone to read general flynn's book, "field of fight." that informs that speech more than i had thought about it. and it's very much a
flynn-influenced effort. >> everybody should -- mike flynn and steve bannon, if you really want to understand the motivations. anyway, let me pause here. we come back, perhaps one reason fewer people showed up to donald trump's inauguration than barack obama's might have as much to do with geography. there's a much simpler explanation. whether we are black or brown or white, we all bleed the same red blood of patriots. just like the people who own them, every business is different. but every one of those businesses will need legal help as they age and grow. whether it be help starting your business, vendor contracts or employment agreements. legalzoom's network of attorneys can help you every step of the way so you can focus on what you do. we'll handle the legal stuff that comes up along the way. legalzoom. legal help is here.
welcome back. it's data download time. despite what press secretary sean spicer said yesterday, it's hard to ignore how much larger the crowds were in 2009 for president obama's inauguration than they were friday. there miebt a good reason for this. the district has never voted for republican for president and the region itself is turning bluer. let me walk you through it. when ronald reagan was elected he lost d.c. badly but won every surrounding county in maryland. he didn't need to go far to find friendly territory. just go over a bridge. in 1988, george h.w. bush saw his closest winning county retreat to fairfax county. not that far away in virginia, 5.8 miles from the white house n maryland you had to go 21 miles to howard county to find bush 41 country. in 2004, george w. bush's
nearest wins were loudon county and anarundel county, maryland, 25 miles from 1600 pennsylvania avenue. now donald trump, who won only 4% of the vote in washington, d.c., also losing all of the surrounding counties. to find a county that voted red he will need to go 27 miles to calvert county. by the way, from trump tower in new york, which some are calling white house north, the closest supporting county was richmond, better known as staten island. 15.9 miles. a bit closer if he takes the staten island ferry. large metro areas have been trending democratic in recent elections. in washington this sets up an awkward situation, besides having local residents to show up for an inauguration. a lot of those voters are federal workers who work for donald trump. back in a moment with the man who may be best positioned to explain donald trump to the people who did not vote for him. p reduce calories from sugar.
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we're we're back with the panel and the man who may best be able to explain donald trump for those who didn't vote for him. tom barrett is long-time friend of donald trump. he was chairman of the presidential nominating committee. mr. barrick, welcome, sir. >> thank you, chuck. thanks for having me. >> let me just say, president trump put out a tweet this morning.
peaceful protests are a hallmark of our democracy. even if i don't always agree, i recognize the rights of people to express their views. much different tone than we saw expressed yesterday. help explain the different impulses of the new president. >> yesterday was an amazing day, right? the first day of a new president in office and a major demonstration, the women's march, beautifully executed, which is a great display of democracy. and he really feels this way. in other words, embracing the different points of view is part of the fabric of america. and on the first day of his presidency, amazing that it could happen. the controversy around the crowds, which is unfortunate, right, because it's something that doesn't need to be done. president obama's inauguration was a great event. first inauguration was an unbelievable passage of another great tribute to america. and president trump's inauguration was equally as brilliant. the controversy and problem all starts with me, as chairman of the presidential inauguration
committee. and it would help, i think, for people to understand. and i'll go through each of the facts with you, if you would like. so a presidential inauguration committee comes together at the conclusion of an election. so it is not formed until 57 days ago. and it's a larger event than the olympics. right? you have 2 million, 3 million people coming into town, 21 events in six can as. to give you an example, the joint task force, run by senator blunt, starts 18 months earlier. so now you a nonpartisan group, 350 employees, the president when he gave me his mandate said, look, this is the most important first fingerprint that the world will see on democracy as to how this is run. and it's not a partisan operation soechlt the key is, no goof-ups, safe, protected and secure. >> and it was. >> and it was. >> and i guess i go back to -- why did he want to litigate
crowd size? i guess that's the explanation people are trying to understand. >> because he was correct from the information that he was given, which was given from us. that's what i'm trying to get to. we have 350 employees, 5,000 security people. so, facts. when he concluded the armed services ball, which was brilliant, he asked me how did we do? i said sir, fantastic, best inauguration in history. part of my view, part of his team, and i'm marketing. did i have a count? thank goodness the senate didn't confirm me as the statistical warrior and analytical king of counting crowds. i went to our team. i said how does it look? they said fantastic. here is what happened. we can talk about each of these details. >> i actually don't. >> but i gave him the information. i said within the viewing and hearing area, based on our facts, from our sight team, about 1.5 million people. by the way, which is an accurate number. look at those pictures, which
are very difficult to curate, it's very difficult to tell. >> i guess i want to move to the other part. why is he bothered by this? >> here is what his issue is. it of the crowd. his issue was why in a tweet is the point of view by the press in the morning of my first day of work showing a disparity between my success as a president on the first day and our past president who he has great respect for, on his first day. it is a point of view that was meanfully and wrongfully expressed. that was his only point. if he's going to be held accountable to tweets and accuracy, why isn't the press? and the first tweet that came out from the new york times reporter, which was then retweeted by the parks service, you know, it wasn't -- comparing photographs and time sequences is beyond -- >> let me get to -- we're getting into too much of the
weeds here and everybody else jump in, but explain sort of how president trump won't -- how do you keep him from getting distracted by small things in order to enact big things? that's what i'm getting at. >> my experience with him, as a friend, as a business partner -- he doesn't get distracted. he's consumed by detail and the big things. and he's relentlessly focused. so it is not that he's distracted. he's looking at this and saying i want parity. it wasn't about the numbers, wasn't about the size. he said i want parity. if i'm going to be scrutinized for my tweets, i want the press to be scrutinized the same way, full stop. on the big issues, he has a great team. it is chaos. moving into the white house -- everybody thinks it is great. moving in, people say, well, what happened to the spanish part of the web? what happened to the l -- >> can i jump to a big issue? you can dazzle us by speaking in arabic right now if you want to fluently. the big line in the inauguration was we will eradicate radical
islamic terrorism from the globe. what are your friends in the gulf, you have many, and you speak to them, have you had a chance to check with them their reaction to the speech? >> they embrace it. they're so excited to have a president who comes in and says, look, we'll support our allies and we're going to draw hard lines around those who are not. their problem is radical islam. but you have to have the u.s. support it with a consistent foreign policy. so they get it a thousand percent. they're saying, fine. you are to help us. if we have a radical mullah in a mosque who is preaching eradicate the infidels and we say we're going to take the mosques down with a bulldozer and put him in jail for six years, don't come at us with human rights and when you don't like who our royal family is, that is running this country, take them out the next day. >> i'll sneak in a break. tom, you'll stay here. you didn't know this yet, everybody gets a quick question in. 45 seconds, endgame.
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refugees from certain countries and what do you think that should look like now that he's in office? what should that specifically look like? >> he has really talented people around him who now are commissioned and mandated to do that. i don't attempt to be in that. i think from my humble point of view, when you're in a crisis, the first thing you need to do is stabilize the situation. so when we talk about refugees going everywhere, saddest situation in the world, look at the departures of refugees across europe and to us, it is a little bit uncontrollable because i think all he's saying is, look, put a post mate for a minute until we figure out how to control this. stop it, put your oxygen mask on yourself, take a few deep breaths, get the point of views of how you control it, and then reopen it again. >> let me just try something by you, i know mr. trump, i've known him a long time, he seems
like you when you're with him. he seems like a charming guy, you know him, chuck, he's charming, funny, listens, he has an intake valve. and yet when he gets in front of the public the other day, gives the biggest speech of his life and he was not inclusive, wasn't charming, no music to it, nothing of, i know you voted against me, some of you people in the burbs, i think i'll change your mind. 42% of women voted for me, i'll make you proud to do that. why didn't he talk to the people, that stuck their necks out to vote for the guy who are minorities and women especially, no charm or anything. it was so unpleasant. and you're a charmer. now i'm softening you up. why couldn't he be a charmer? >> there is an easy answer. he was elected president of the united states and i go back to a day job. charm doesn't work much. >> it does. >> as a leader, he's staying on point. i can tell you one thing, if you
take the woman's march yesterday, and his original thought was, why don't i invite 15 of them into the rose garden, let's discuss points of view, he wanted to discuss global warming, let's discuss global warming. the advice from the security team, as an individual, he had the right instinct, as president of the united states, it is very difficult to do that. now with the new security team. his head is there. had his heart is there. it is not easy, right? i'll tell you one thing i saw, i was sitting on the plat foreign minister a-- platform and lookig at president obama and you can see the compassion in his eyes saying wow, i feel for you the weight of the responsibility you're going to take and yesterday i could see in president trump the glibness is gone. he feels the weight. he's there. he's going to do it. we need to give him a break. 100 day peace treaty on all sides, his side, media side, and it will be on. >> america first. you know, movement, of course, to keep the country out of world
war ii. his inaugural seemed to me a case for the u.s. or case that the responsibility that the country has taken in the post world war ii era for global stability has not served american citizens well. what is your take on the meaning of the term? what does it mean to him? >> cutting you off fast. >> mar marshal plan, foreign policy, 1948, all of these multilateral organizations in which we exported our accountability don't work. they don't work because the marshall plan and gatt and all of those -- all of those treaties were based on foreign policy, not economics. that foreign policy fast-forward -- >> all right. >> -- is gone. >> tom barrack, i'll leave it there. we'll be watching. thank you for coming on. and spending time with us. that will do it for today. back next week, i hope to preview a packers super bowl. watch out, dirty birds. if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." super bowl. watch out dirty birds. if it is sunday, it is "meet the
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