tv Lockup San Antonio - Extended Stay MSNBC January 22, 2017 7:00pm-8:01pm PST
>> announcer: due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> i guess the worst part about gangs is paranoia. it's like a virus. it invades. >> former gang members attempt to leave deadly rivalries behind. but for some, the past is anything but resolved. >> i don't think no one could ever take this pain away. >> the men in another housing unit deal with a completely different set of issues. >> you got your masculines that are more manley looking.
are you masculine or are you fem? >> i'm gay. i'm gay. >> then you have your fem mes, they act like girls. >> get them to the fem mme side and the masculines to the masculines. you don't let them intertwine because you're asking for trouble. >> they turn it upside down. >> they're crafty and they can be hidden within the units. >> nianyone accused of a crime san antonio will most probably pass through the county jail.
>> remove your shoes and socks and put them on the floor behind you. >> some will make bond and leave. but on any given day, about 3500 men and women are housed here, awaiting trial, a resolution of their cases. deciding in which of the jail's 84 housing units to place each inmate is a complex process known as classification. >> every inmate that comes into our facility is interviewed by a classification officer. so, our class officer is trained to try to figure out where do we house this person where we have the least amount of problems. so, they're looking for things like, is he mentally ill? does he have any medical issues? >> any problem with seizures? >> no, ma'am. >> suicidal in >> no, ma'am. >> gang related? >> no, ma'am. >> homosexual? >> no, ma'am. >> among these factor, arguably the most critical to reducing violence is to determine if an inmate is a gang member. >> if they confirm him as a gang member, the next question is, is he a threat. >> where did you get picked up? >> here. >> what year?
>> two years ago. >> the most common way to identify a gang member is through self-admission. simply by asking them. >> why are you with these gang s? >> the violence comes in when rival gang members meet up with each other. so, we go out of our way to keep them separated. unfortunately, as hard as we try sometimes, we don't catchall ever them. and sometimes we'll put them in the wrong place. that's typically when the fights erupt. >> code 2! >> this was the scene following a riot in which inmates from the mexican mafia fought with members of their arch rivals, the tangle. >> sometimes they slip through our fingers. >> you know, gangs are groups of opportunity. they're going to group together and once they see that their numbers are large enough, they
become very territorial. and from there it tends to develop into a dangerous situation. >> while rival gangs can pose a threat to each other, they often reserve their harsh est punishment for members who drop out and enter the jail's protective custody program. >> almost all gangs believe there is one way in and one way out of their gang, and that's through violence. we always tell any ex-member of any prison gang, your life is in danger. there is somebody out to get you. it is going to happen. >> that's the way it goes, those are the rules. you're in it for life, or you're dead. >> because of threats he faces for leaving the mexican mafia, victor has asked that we only use his first name. he is housed in a unit made up entirely of inmates who have chosen to leave their gangs. >> i guess the worst part about gangs is paranoia. it's like a virus. it invades. sometimes people hear things that weren'tsaid, some people see things that really didn't
happen. as an end result, a lot of innocent people have died and i just got tired of all the lies, you know, all the back stabbing, all the politics, paranoia. i just got tired of it. >> victor joined the mexican mafia while serving a prior 23-year prison sentence for kid napping and aggravated assault. a recent parole violenation has landed him in jail where he has adopted a fatherly role with exmembers in his unit. >> you want to do it the right way, the legal way. >> i'm told i can't be doing -- >> you're going to prison at this age. >> among those victor counsels is johnny robless who is charged attempted capital murder and theft. he has pleaded not guilty and is awaiting trial.
>> you have to make a decision, is this the type of life i want. >> i have to first of all be willing to change my life, you know what i mean? >> robles joined the tangle arajons during a prior stay. >> i didn't like them ruling my life. i feel like a puppet. i told them i wanted to get out of the gang and i was coming back from eetding dinner and by the time i knew it, i had two guys, one hit me on the other side and the other one hit me on the other side. they went to punching me, hitting me, kicking me. i woke up the next day and i was in the hospital, not knowing what else they did to me. not knowing what else they did to me. i'm glad that i finally got out. having them telling me who i can, who i can't talk to. >> in jesus' name we pray, amen. >> amen. >> while the ex-gang unit might seem like an island of
tranquility, that is not always the case. inmate tim gaffney has been in the unit 2 1/2 years and still doesn't take any chances. >> my eyes are red because i don't never close my eyes in the shower. that's just the golden rule. when you shower you leave your eyes open. you always keep your back towards the wall. that way you can see who comes and goes, you know, because bad things happen in the shower. >> gaffney who has pled not guilty to capital murder and is awaiting trial is a former member of the white supremacist gang, the arian brotherhood. >> i climbed the ranks pretty quickly and by climbing the ranks it comes with a lot of responsibilities. you never know who wants to kill you for your position. i've done a lot of things. none of it i'm proud of any of it, but when i was young i thought that was the norm. i got wrapped up in
prostitution, drug ring, guns, the fast money, and before i knew it my life was just a downhill spiral. one thing led to another, next thing i know i'm on drugs. >> gaffney says he was drawn to the arian brotherhood because they shared a foundation. >> i grew up with a hate. there was hate in my home, black people, black people, black people. that's all i knew. and seeing that growing up, i thought, hey, man, that's what it was supposed to be like. well, instead of turning to the kkks, i turned to the arian brotherhood. i look at it like if you're going to do anything with a hood over your face, there's no sense of doing it. stand there for what you believe in. >> coming up. >> it is one of our interview questions when they first come in, we'll ask are you currently a homosexual. >> life inside another county, specialized housing units. fresher. more flavorful. delicious. only one egg with better nutrition-
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san antonio's bear county jail houses an average of 3500 men and women. there are separate housing units for active and ex-gang members, but that's just the start. the jail also attempts to identify and segregate gay inmates in their own housing units. >> it is one of our interview questions when they first come in. we'll ask them, are you currently a homosexual. and if they say yes, we have to give them the option to house within the homosexual unit for safety and security. if they feel that they cannot house that general population, they have the right to go into the homosexual unit. >> within the homosexual unit, they are classified as masculine or feminine. >> are you masculine or are you fem me? >> i'm gay. i'm just gay. >> not me. i'm fem me.
>> you have your masculines that are more manley looking, but, you know, i'm straight acting, straight looking. >> you need to massage him. >> what is really going on here? >> then you have your fem mes that are, you know, some of them take hormones so they act like girls. and they live their life as women in the world, transectionuals, drag squeens. they're walking around with bras, thongz, things in their hair, being really dramatic, loud. 80% of the fights are the fem mes. bleep bleep bleep bleep >> though eloy is housed with the masculine group, he was once classified as feminine during an
earlier stay at bear county. >> this time around, i butched up a little bit and said i was masculine. and they put me in the masculine group because i don't want to be with a bunch of drama queens, you know, girl. i'm trying to be with the masculine group with the boys. >> starting at age 16, he has been in and out of the bear county jail. he was recently convicted for burglary and is back now after violating parole. he believes his experience in jail has made him a leader in his unit. >> a lot of people look up to me and a lot of people come to me for advice. they know i'm in and out of the system. some cases the emotions get lost and as far as in the system, maybe you should try to go back to the law driesh alibrary and another motion again. nothing goes down without me. if there is an altercation, hey, this person did this, they'll see my reaction to t. >> while the fem minute and masculine inmates are sometimes housed in the same unit, they are not allowed out of their
cells at the same time in order to prevent sexual activity. >> if they put us all together, you know, you're going to have guys having sex with fem mes. >> officers acknowledge there are more attempts at sexual activity in this unit than others. but say they usually stop it before it occurs. >> we keep a he pretty good eye on that kind of stuff. the officers are required to do rounds and checks and specifically in those units those officers know the games that they try to play. and, you know, we've had some incidents in showers and stuff like that. those are dealt with and they're charged with it. we try to keep the feminines to the fem side and the masculine to the masculine. and we don't let them intertwine because you're asking for problems. >> in most other housing units, inmates are given anywhere from six to eight hours daily to spend in the day room for recreation areas. cents homosexual unit only allows the feminine or masculine
groups out at once, they spend half as much time-out side their cells as other inmates. an unhappy circumstance for most of them. >> i want to just start out with a simple braided necklace, if you will. >> joey draws on his creativity to deal with the monday ought any of long hours in a small cell. he makes fashion accessories that he sells for commissary snacks. >> you take your three, your three strings and i tie one end of it. peel off a piece of your paint. i'm going to put a longer string so that one of the strings is completely covered with that paint. if i sit down, i can kind of put it between my toes. you can make necklaces, you can make belts, you can make little rings. some of these girls really like it. when i say girls, i don't mean actually girls, but they prefer to be called girl, which boggles my mind. but to each their own, i suppose. >> rode who is awaiting
extradition to illinois on a bribery charge to which he plans to plead not guilty, is grouped with the masculine inmates. >> i'm a man that wants to be with another man. i don't want a girl. if i wanted a girl, i'd be straight. but i'm also -- i won't date a guy that's taller than am me. i won't date a guy that's bigger man me. so, i guess i am more of the masculine man. >> roeds has recently begun teaching his new cell mate kyle the finer points of chess, another creative challenge considering they don't have a chess set in their cell. >> we need to make some more squares. i ripped them up or something. now, if you look at the scoreboard, my name is joey, his is kyle. it's 4 to 1 and one stalemate. >> beachum, who has pled not
guilty to charges of shop lifting and violating his parole, represents the third kind of inmate housed in this unit. >> he's actually a straight guy. he's not gay at all. >> during his interview process for his housing, he said he was homosexual so he was housed in our homosexual unit upon his request. every inmate signs an inmate form requesting to go into homosexual unit that's on their own free will. >> some straight men look to the homosexual unit as a safe harbor compared to the predatory environment found in many other units. >> i had one and two other gay men tell me, go to the gay pond and you will be taken care of. >> i've -- i had other guys in there right me. show me your penis and all this stuff like that. whoa, back up. i'm not like that. little do they know that i'm straight.
>> bear county don't really care. >> beachum says most of the inmates here have been respectful of his sexuality. >> you know, he's very flamboyant and come up to me, give me massage or something like that. he wouldn't go too far because he knew i was straight. >> i know a lot of people were staying there, was something going on between me and him. i could have messed around with him if i wanted to. of course, you get a straight guy walking in the door, everybody is saying, well, nobody has had him. i want him. i want to be the first. >> but these days, eloy has bigger concerns than jail house relationships. he recently violated his parole after testing positive for drugs and threatening his sister-in-law with violence. >> i told her that i was going to beat her up. >> i become a little violent speaking once pills and drugs and alcohol take place. i think i'm super man. she called the police and said that i was going to hurt her and wouldn't stop until i got her. so, they got me for threat. in a few days i will have a
relocational hearing where they'll decide whether they send me back to prison or reinstate me on parole. >> erasco is entitled to make his case in the hearing, but his sister-in-law is also invited to testify. >> if my sister-in-law shows up, i'm guilty. because i'm a repeat offender and because i've been incarcerated so many times, my word is really not trustworthy. with my sister-in-law, you never know. she's unpredictable. with my luck, she'll show and i'll go back to prison. so, i guess i leave it in god's hands and see what happens. >> coming up. >> was anyone subpoenaed to be here for the hearing today? >> eloy finds out if his sister-in-law will testify against him. but first. >> going with the mexican mafia was only supposed to be a temporary thing. i didn't know that was supposed to be like a permanent thing. >> a young man joins a dangerous game and now faces the possibility of life in prison. vy
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officials at san antonio's bear county jail make every effort to not house rivals in the same unit. but in one section of the jail, old enemies have made peace. >> i just got to think positive, you know, just hope that everything goes okay. you know -- >> johnny robles, a former member of the tango orejons has found a friend in a rival. both men have dropped out of their gangs and housed in the ex-gang members unit. >> it feels like reality hasn't hit yet. even though it did hit when i saw her in the coffin. >> robles who is charged with attempted capital murder has been devastated by the recent death of his 3-year-old daughter. >> my daughter was in a car accident. i loved her so much. she was so beautiful. she was always there -- i don't
think that no one could ever take this pain away. >> i try to do other thing with my mind won't think about it, you know. it's hard because i mean, you ain't got no control over yourself, you know? >> it doesn't matter how much you try to push it out of your mind, it's always there. it's always there. the problems, when you hold your feelings in, sometimes it's even worse because you implode, you know. people trust me. they all come to me for advice. i try to help them. it doesn't matter if they're ex-mafia members. i talk to them the same way. >> it hurts me. >> it hurts you, but it's good talk about it because you let your feelings or emotions out. it's better than to lehman thav inside to where they hurt you more. i see a reflection of myself. eventually they're going to be me in years to come. at least i know i gave them some
advice that nobody gave me when i went to prison. maybe with this tragedy in the future, you can make better decisions, you know, regarding your children or what have you, you know? you get to a point where you've got to make a decision. is this the type of life i want or do i want to stay out there and do something for my family, you know? >> for some, it could be too late for meaningful change. but the jail has seen a trend toward younger inmates requesting refuge in the ex-gang unit. steven is one of those new arrivals. he joined a branch of the mexican mafia on the streets at age 17. >> i've actually never been in trouble before. i never had a ticket. i never harmed people at all. i never even been in a fight before. my favorite game was legend azila.
they came out with a sword. i played it since the beginning. >> vogt says he came from a good home but was talked into joining the mexican mafia by a friend. he said it was presented as a way of earning money by selling marijuana. >> i could make $500 in a day. >> he said his involvement in a gang led to capital murder charge. he says he pled guilty and was supposed to be a look out for a robbery that went wrong. >> he was stabbed and my co-defendant had the knife. it was something he was only supposed to scare him with, but he ended up using it violently against him. you got my letters? i just miss you. my mom never knew anything, and to this day i feel terrible for that. i don't know, i just been depressed lately and all that. i did something and it made my mom feel so terrible. she visits. she writes me, she makes me feel loved, and that's what i love
her about. >> my lawyer filed a new motion for reconsideration. >> if vogt is found guilty of capital murder, his sentence is automatic, life in prison without parole. a fate already handed down to his co-defendant in the case. vogt clings to the hope that his lawyer can have the charge reduced. >> going with the mexican mafia was only supposed to be a temporary thing. i didn't know it was supposed to -- i didn't know that was supposed to be like a permanent thing. >> coming up. >> facing the back wall. >> staff conducts a surprise contraband raid. and -- >> you're not allowed to advertise any homosexual activities. do you understand these? >> yes, ma'am. >> kyle beachum says good-bye to the homosexual unit. for every six months you're accident free. silence. it's good to be in, good hands.
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there is no talking. bunk 41 through 48, get up. walk to the rec yard. single file. we search for contraband, drugs, weapons, anything that's been altered from its original form, anything that they're not supposed to have in their possession. >> the inmates are direct today sit down in the dorm's enclosed rec yard. the cert team will hold them there while other officers conduct a thorough search for contraband. but first, a drug detection dog is brought in to sniff out narcotics. >> inmates are very crafty and there are thousands of places where narcotics can be hidden within the units. the canine has found drugs in peanut butter hidden in mattresses. inmates are here 24 hours a day. they have plenty of time and opportunity to think of where to hide stuff. >> this time the dog doesn't discover any drugs among the inmates' possessions. but she does find a pack of i am "trading nation" narcotics, put there by her handler. >> canines are like small kids.
they need positive reinforcement so i'll plant a synthetic narcotic, that way she gets her reward. >> with the canine search complete, officers begin their search of the bunks meticulously inspecting every single item they found. illegal substances or weapons can result in inmates getting time in segregation or even new criminal charges. but anything altered from its original purpose is also considered contraband and will be disposed of. even this inmate art created from food wrappers is considered contraband. >> they get very creative. these are all out of bags of chips. >> once the search is over, the inmates are ordered to lie down on their bunks for further instructions. >> if you had any contraband, it's in the trash. everything else, check with your bunky, checkup here in the front. if you have anything missing, do you understand? >> yes, ma'am. >> i've been here since april and i've been down the shake
down every month. they mess up everything, but that's the choice you have to make to go in jail. >> there is a shake up of another sort in the homosexual unit. the inmates are on the move. >> we move inmates out of these units often so that we can do unit repairs. they'll be relocated to another unit while that's being done. >> stuff behind your back and hands on the wall. >> the inmates carry their possessions inside sheets. but before they're allow today enter the new unit, officers conduct a shake down for contraband. >> the more contraband i find, the more i'm going to throw out. >> finally the inmates are taken to a unit almost identical to the one they left. but one of them has decided his time in the unit is up. >> just stand there for me. >> kyle beachum says he is straight, but requested to be housed with the homosexuals when
he was first booked into the jail. some older inmates told them that with his green hair, it would be safer than general population. >> a lot of times some of the convicts will mess with some of the younger ones. they'll sit in the holding cell with the young cats and they'll see how naive you are. when you talk to the house officer make sure you tell them you want this, and this and this, messing with them. and they do it and they realize they got played. >> all right. you called me earlier about your request to go to general population. he addressed to me that he didn't understand what the homosexual unit was. he didn't know what he was signing up for, that he very adamantly didn't want to be in there. >> still, when an inmate requests a transfer out of the homosexual unit, the jailer requires that he understand what happens -- what's expected of him. >> i am requesting this of my own free will, i am not going to demonstrate any behavior that is going to get me in trouble. you are not allowed to advertise sexual activities or induce
others to participate. do you understand? >> yes. >> beachum has requested to move to the trustee pod, a housing unit for inmate workers. though they are not paid, there are some other benefits to be had. more time-out of their cells and extra food. >> i'm a trustee. on the day that they do work, which is more than likely every day, they would get two trays at the end of their work period. >> is that your main motivation? >> yes, that is my main motivation for being in trustee pod. >> but eloy need not worry about getting an inmate job for extra food. >> i am quite excited. >> yes, yes. >> he is able to purchase more than enough snacks from the jail commissary to quell his appetite. >> three instant coffees. >> he pays for commissary through money put on his books, a debit account funded by family members, including the one person to whom he feels closest. >> my biggest thing is my mom.
she's always there for me. she says i'm her child regardless. she has never neglected me or said, i don't want you to be gay. that's everything. but she's always kept that in my head that, you know it's not right. you know the way you're living is not right. and you know it's not godly. and you know that in the end you're going to pay for it. deep inside i know it's true. i know that it's not right. but do i think that i'll go to heaven when i pass away? part of me wants to believe it, but the other part of me knows that it's probably not going to happen. >> he will soon face another sort of judgment day. he is scheduled for a parole hearing on the infractions that returned him to jail. a positive drug test and allegedly threatening to harm his sister-in-law resulting in a charge of making terroristic threats. >> some of the evidence they
have against me were a lot of messages i sent to her on facebook. >> are you a violent person? >> i sure am not. i really am not. i guess you can say that drugs really took me there. >> he faces three possible outcomes from the hearing. reinstatement of his parole allowing him to go home, a return to prison for up to 2 1/2 more years, or something in between. he could be sent to an intermediate sanction facility, or isf. it's a halfway house which holds parole violators in custody, but allows them to work at outside jobs. >> it's some other form of a prison. they do a lot of counseling there. they have classes. i'm thinking that's where i'm going to go. hopefully not. i'm trying to get reinstated because they're playing with my life here. >> coming up. >> i'm never going home again is what they tell me. they may put me to death. i think about it, this place is a think tank. >> tim gaffney and other ex-gang members attempt to make peace
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learn more about better breathing at mybreo.com. rhod joey rhod violence has in one way or another impacted the lives of every inmate inside the bear county jail's ex-gang unit. but now many of these men say by dropping out of their gangs, they've taken the first step toward new lives. >> prayer call, prayer call. >> prayer call. >> come here, pops. >> now we have prayer circle. how it come about, one guy was having some problems and he was going to court and this and that, so we decided to have prayer. and it just escalated from there and we got, you know, ten, 12, 15, sometimes 20 people in the
prayer circle now. >> heavenly father, we come before you this evening giving you thanks, heavenly father for what you've done in our lives. >> we get a special request, we lift it up. >> he watches over our family, everybody's family and take care of the ones in need. >> bless our brothers in this circle, out this circle, sisters in this circle out this circle, please take care of my two daughters, everybody's kids, family. >> i'm just glad i woke up to be able to see this day. >> tim gaffney is a former member of the arian br they are hood. >> a lot of us, we do bible studies. not out there, we do it individually, you know. but i'm never going home again, what they tell me. they may put me to death. i think about it, this place is a think tank. you can sit out there and be tough with the fellas all you want. when you lay your head down at night, that's where the torture comes from. >> if it wasn't for my radio, reading the word, and the novels and books, i would probably just go ballistic. >> gaffney is awaiting trial for
capital murder. >> they say i stabbed a man to death, and stabbed that person 11 times. >> he says the night he was a reftd he had mixed alcohol with powerful prescription medication and the rest is a blur. >> when i woke up and the medication was wore off, when i found out what i was, i charged with, i was totally shocked. they're saying that i went to work and came home and went down the street to someone i never met and slaughtered him to death. i would like to think that i'm a better p better person than that. i've done some crazy stuff, but i don't believe i'm a murderer. >> he has a capital murder, too. i talk to him, he talks to me. >> gaffney has become friends with 21-year-old steven vogt, a former mexican mafia member. vogt is also awaiting trial for capital murder. >> i like stephen. when i come in, he was real skinny. man, he was like a little puppy without his mama.
>> this is not my girlfriend, she's my ex-girlfriend. >> she's at college? >> she's trying to study to be a music teacher. >> i've seen people like him before and i know his situation. he got caught up in something that he shouldn't never have got caught up in, running around with the wrong crowd. steve is a good kid. he's good as gold. >> i ain't got nothing. >> gaffney has even pushed aside his white supremacist views to learn spanish from vogt. >> once in a while we'll get some white people who are ex-arian brotherhood. majority is latino. >> this is a culture shock. everybody speaks spanish around here. and i'm the third wheel, i'm lost. he's teaching me spanish but it's doing no good because if i don't know what he's talking about, you know, it's like, what is this in spanish? >> that's the same thing. >> oh, uno, is that what it is?
[ laughter ] >> shows you how much i know. >> only time can tell how permanent or sincere the changes claimed by those in the ex-gang unit will be. kyle beachum, however, has experienced some undeniable changes in his stay at bear county. he's now a trustee, or inmate worker. >> i've been working laundry for about a week now. i work from like 9:45 till 10:00. it could be 6:00 in the morning, 7:00 in the morning. one of the biggest benefits of working the laundry could be coming out, eight, nine hours on end, but also we work for food. so, we get two trays in the morning and two trays every morning is a lot better than one trey in the morning and we get it first so we get it hot. so, that's always a plus. >> beachum also has a new hair style and it's considerably more noticeable than the one that initially prompted him to request housing in the homosexual unit for safety. >> i got one of my friends in
the pod to cut my hair. i was getting a little hot doing dryer work. i like it a lot. he's been cool. >> change has also come to beachum's former cell mate joey rhodes. he has just received permission to transfer to an all-straight male generation population pod. >> i requested it only because i had stuckers. it got a little hectic there. it wasn't what i was really expecting out of all that. i was going there to say, hey, maybe i'll have more in common with these people, maybe i'll find better friends. every day i was getting two or three people coming to my window trying to get me to expose myself to them. and every time i'd go take a shower, i would get people coming in there and sitting on the benches and watching me. i was like, hello. it's kind of scary, i'm not going to lie. so, finally i talked to classification and they moved me out of there. but i'm in a great new pod. there's a lot of cool new people here, cool new friends. it's interesting.
>> while rhodes must keep his sexuality under wraps in general population, he's met at least a few inmates willing to share their opinions. >> i do have friends who live that life-style who are around. i don't judge them, you know. i believe god accepts everybody. it comes down to the fact that it is wrong. >> i kind of keep things to myself which is what they instructed me to do. but i'm sure that there's gay people in the same unit that i'm in, and i know that. but what if it wasn't so much the desires, what if they actually fell in love with them -- >> like i said, i'm not saying i hate -- >> we're not saying you hate them. it's your believes, your feelings. >> you're not saying it's wrong. it's what i was raised. >> that's how i was raised. >> because me, i'm attracted to both. it's not even about sex at all. it's basically about how i feel about a person. >> when i came here, i saw you and i said, it was kind of a negative thought, first thought came to my head, maybe this kid
is gay. then he told me i'm buy sexual, so he's both. >> i might be nervous about it. i might be kind of shy and bashful, but i'm not afraid they're going to hurt me. i don't think they'd hurt me. i kind of, i don't know, i kind of welcome it. i like the attention. so, if they did find out, i mean, they're not going to do nothing about it. >> in fact, rhodes has found some of his conversations on the topic have taken surprising turns. >> like i told you said when i was 11 years old i was depressed because i thought i started becoming that way and i got depressed. told my sister, i think i'm turning gay. what's wrong with you? when i see a girl, how do you feel? it makes me happy. how can you be gay and still have attraction for girls? i'm like, i don't know. so i grabbed the bible and kept reading it and it told me i was wrong. i told god, change my mind and he changed my mind. when you see those pretty guards i'm talking b. you probably know some of their names, too. some of those guards who come in our pods. when you see them -- >> what's wrong, man?
>> all right. because of the fact you're in jail and you don't see women in how long, and when you see them walk in your pod you get real excited, you get a happy desire inside. >> no, not rile. >> i do. >> that's you. >> you're supposed to be. you're born different. >> this place is more laid back so i'm more comfortable with who i am. i let them know that, hey, i'm gay. they seem to be perfectly okay with that. i think it would be -- this jail would be a lot better if they didn't segregate people the way they did. >> we agree? all right. >> fist pound, do the joke. >> coming up. >> the first allegation has terroristic threats of family household. do you admit or deny? >> deny. >> eloy tries to convince the parole board to set him free. mo. and now much of that same advanced technology is found in the audi a4.
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>> yeah. >> it's a day of reckoning for eloy orozco. >> it's a big day for me. i'm really nervous. >> he is on his way to a parole hearing. orozco could have his parole reinstated or go home or be sent to prison for up to 2 1/2 more years to complete his sentence for burglary. he could also be sent to an intermediate sanction facility or isf, a halfway house for parole violators. orozco's parole violations include a failed drug test, allegations by his sister-in-law he made terroristic threats against her. she has been invited to testify at the hearing. if she shows up, he fears he will return to prison. >> i am a repeat offender so my word really isn't too much to take into consideration. so, if she shows, i'm guilty. but she's married to my brother, so, she has the rest of her life
that she plans on being with my brother to face my family. >> he also worries that if his mother attends the hearing she will find out about his failed drug test. >> i haven't been straight up with my mom as far as coming out dirty because i just hate to break her heart. >> have a seat. >> the hearing is attended by his parole officer antonio ramos and is run by edna car zales. >> is anyone subpoenaed to be here for the hearing? >> the offender's mother will be here but she speaks only spanish. i tried to get the complainant to be here. her testimony is certainly important. she hasn't made it yet, so, i'm assuming she's not going to make it. >> okay. >> she stated she was simply afraid of the threats that had been made according to her. >> he caught a break in that his sister-in-law is not here to testify against him. but he must still defend against her allegations. >> do you admit or deny the allegation? >> deny. do i have problems with her and
have i had problems with her in the past, yes. to an extent that i would hurt her, no. threatening her, no. did i confront her about it, yes. never at one point did i say i was going to hurt her family or her house or anything like that. >> next allegation is fail to stay from controlled substances. admit or deny? >> admit. i went out to a party, took some pills. they were ecstasy pills and i ended upcoming out dirty for meth amphetamine and opiates. i do recognize when i was wrong and i was wrong as far as using pills. but you have to take into consideration that before i was incarcerated, i was doing a whole different level of drug. i was real bad out there. i was shooting up. >> you said you were making an effort, but you were also doing drugs and you were breaking the law. whether you're on parole or not on parole, using illegal drugs is against the law. >> now, the mom is able to speak english? >> no. >> none at all, okay.
>> her friend who is knowledgeable about mr. eloy's character, he's going to testify on his behalf. >> okay. good morning. have a seat. >> my mom's boyfriend has never been okay with me or in good terms with me. he feels that i am spoiled brat and that i'm a drug addict and this and that. so, i don't know, we'll see what happens. >> why should the parole board give him another chance to finish these last few months that he has left on parole? >> oh, that would be very simple. he got out and he went to work first time that i know that he really had a good job where they let him open up the cafe, let him use the cash register and more or less was like a general manager of the place. if he stumbled get again, put him back in, okay. but give him a chance to stumble. >> the way he defended me today showed me that i guess he's in good term with me now. that was a surprise. >> all right, sir.
>> i hope everything goes well for you. >> while many thing broke his way during the parole hearing, the end result was not what he had hoped for. >> what the parole office has recommended, isf, i'm not too happy with. >> rather than reinstate his parole, the board decided to send him to an intermediate sanction facility, the halfway house that provides drug counseling to parole violators for a period of six months to one year. the hearing did, however, allow him to continue an important illusion. >> i am very happy that my mother didn't find out today that i was using pills. she didn't want to hear that. it would break her heart. she just wants to believe that i'm doing good.