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expected to vote on critical and controversial cabinet nominees. let's get to kristen welker. what do we know and when are the highlights coming at about 30 minutes from now? >> according to a white house official, president trump is going to sign a number of executive orders today but two of them will be focused on trade. one announcing his intention to renegotiate nafta. that's the trade deal with mexico and canada that was signed with former president bill clinton in 1994. now, president trump has called that the worst trade deal ever negotiated. he wants to tear it up, start from scratch, impose tariffs on canada and mexico. it could have unintended consequences. they say it could ultimately kind wind up costing tens of thousands of u.s. jobs. this is something he's got to
pass with congress and mexico and canada. you have a number of republicans who say they aren't quite sure they want to go that far. we're also expecting him to announce his intentions to pull ot of tpp. that's that big multi-national trade deal that president obama was a negotiating when he left office. congress had not yet approved that trade deal so technically president trump can pull out of it. i'm also told that according to a white house official, he's going to task his top econoc advisers with renegotiating trade deals with the individual countries that were involved in tpp. president trump as a candidate, hallie, and you know better than anyone, campaigned on this issue. he campaigned on bringing jobs back on renegotiating these major trade deals. that's one of the reasons he won working class voters in the midwest. later this afternoon he'll meet with union leaders to try to get them on board with some of his plans in terms of renegotiating
these key trade deals. this is president trump, what he is calling a day of action, his first day and first full week of the white house, hallie. >> let's keep on that theme of action, kristen. we saw the president meeting with business leaders, elan m k musk, for example. who are we talking about? >> we know the leader of dell is there, lockheed martin. his message today was number one, he's going to try to decrease regulations by 75%, decrease taxes and impose higher taxes on companies that outsource jobs. take a listen what he said today. >> a company that wants to fire all of its people in the united states and build some factory
someplace else and then thinks that product is going to just flow across the border into the united states, that's not going to happen. they're going to have a tax to pay, a border tax, substantial border tax. >> reporter: one of the other headlines for me, he said he wants to meet with these companies quarterly. so he is trying to come out, make the case he's going to put some of these campaign promises into action, a lot of scrutiny on this. as you know, he's been very active in terms of warning companies about outsourcing jobs. he's taken to twitter to warn companies. will this be an effective way to coming to the table and negotiate alternatives to outsourcing jobs. the question is how many jobs will it save and will his policies in terms of lowering taxes be enacted as he would like. hallie? >> kristen walker, i will see you for the press conference
later. >> we want to dive into some of the impacts some of these executive orders could have. let's bring in ali velshi who know as thing or two about all of this. to set it up, break down nafta. give us the nuts and bolts. >> and where better to do this than in the hallie and ali segment. nafta took effect in '94, derived from the u.s./canada free trade agreement. before that there was the auto pact between canada and america. it was designed to sell american and canadian products more into the mexican market. that was a good market that didn't have heavy machinery. they could buy a lot of things from america. interesting enough, it was also a consideration from the united states to strengthen mexico's economy. back then in the late 80s and early 90s, everyone coming across the border from mexico was actually mexican.
these days it's mostly central american the point is you could raise mexican wages and reduce mexican emigration into the united states. to that end it did succeed. >> what is the argument for renegotiating nafta as president trump has promised to do? >> while wages have come up since the introduction of nafta, they haven't come up that much. they're still about a third of the united states. when ross perot was campaigning, he would talk about the giant sucking sound you would hear of all the jobs going to mexico. and the border tax, you can't do that under nafta. you have to let goods flow back and forth. hoar's what happens with nafta right now. the u.s. exports about $270 billion in goods and services to
mexico. that was 2015. it's the latest year in which we have numbers. canada and mexico remain the largest destinations for u.s. exports. so this is the stuff that donald trump never says when he talks about it. and what people talk about in terms of jobs, hallie, 14 million u.s. jobs are said to rely directly on nafta and in theory they pay 15% to 20% more than jobs that are lost to nafta. this is the past that donald trump leaves out. but the fact that jobs have been lost is important. >> i want to dig into the jobs thing, ali, because i think it is sometimes tough to hear this discussion. how does it affect me or my family? the center for automotive research says renegotiating nafta could mean losing 30,000 auto jobs in the u.s. >> this is the part where it starts to get tricky. it was based on the free trade agreement based on the auto
pact. autos are central to this. since 1994, the united states has lost 350,000 auto jobs. one can't pinpoint whether this is nafta or more cars made by south korea or whatever. however, here's the interesting part. mexico has band -- would they have gained them if there was not a nafta? it's unclear. 15,000 jobs are year are said to be lost by nafta. we lost manufacturing jobs to lower wage companies. those goods get imported into the united states and we pay less for them at stores look costco or wherever we're buying them. we have lower consumer prices as a result of importing more but we're losing more jobs as a result of importing more. this is where it starts to get really tricky. >> ali, very quickly before i let you go, the tpp, the
president could undo that if he wanted to. what would the impact of that be? >> nothing because it didn't actually exist yet. hillary clinton said she was against it, no one ratified it. it will have no get people, it was at much political as it was trade. it was a way to make america a strategic partner with a number of asian countries so they wouldn't have to have china as their sponsor. it's not just a trade deal, it's the idea that china is expansionist and the united states wanted to have a bigger role in asia. regardless, that's dead. >> ali velshi, thank you very much. appreciate it. the other thing we're following is the lawsuit filed in federal court accusing the president of
violating the emoluments clause. what does it mean? no gifts from foreign governments. this lawsuit argues that donald trump's conflicts go beyond his owe tells and perhaps even into his stint on reality tv, that in effect he is accepting payments from foreign governments inappropriately. with me now is one of the men mind the filing of this lawsuit. you know ambassador norm norman eisen. how confident are you this is a lawsuit you're going to actually win? >> hallie, thanks very much for having me. we are very confident in the claims in this lawsuit. there's an undisputable
violation of the constitution the moment that president trump took office. presidents are not allowed to take anything -- he's going to renegotiate trade deals with a bunch of these countries that are giving him a lot of value. is he really going to fight for american jobs in those deals or protect his business partners? our motto is emoluments in, their jobs out. >> i want to pull up the graphic we had on screen. we're talking about the leases owned by entities in trump tower
and booking at the ol' post office hotel. it's said that you don't have the standing to bring this suit because you donaren't harmed by this so this suit could be dead in the water, right? >> when you look at the supreme court case, it says when an organization is diverted by its core mission, our mission at crew, myself and professor paor, our mission is to make it better. the supreme court says when an organization has to do that, it has standing and one of the strongest jurisdictions in the
united states in following that line of cases is the second district court of new york and southern district of new york, right where trump tower stands and that's where we brought the suit. we have a strong standing case. >> you used the word indisputable or undisputable to talk about the arguments you're making here. of course the white house is disputing those arguments. i'm told by the president's aide the president has no conflict. you heard it said that payments to the hotels are not a violation of the emoluments because it's a fair value of exchange. do they have a point? >> we heard a lot this weekend about alternative facts,s ones that aren't grounded in reality. there is no such distinction in 250 years of dealing with the emoluments clause. i know when i worked in the white house and i advised
president obama on this, there were a long line of justice department decisions saying you have to segregate all foreign government revenues when you're dealing with an emoluments problem, not just a fair market value or the prifts of the hotel. they admit it applies. they say, okay, we're going to segregate hotel profits. if that's the theory, what about profits at golf courses? what about in his office buildings? the condos that he sell, the apartments that he sells, the television revenues. the whole thing doesn't make any sense. it's alternative facts. in other words, phony ones. >> norm, is this lawsuit a way to get the president to release his tax returns ultimately, despite kellyanne conway saying this weekend that won't happen? >> the lawsuit is being brought to enforce the constitution. >> order to, we're going to seek
them in discovery. so this is a vehicle in order to enforce the constitution to get those taxes. 75% of americans, many trump voters agree we must have them. it's unprecedented not to. we're going to get them. >> ambassador norman eisen fired up as always, sir. thank you for being with us on this show. up next, we're going to talk about a controversial new white house hire. plus just three days in, is there already a power struggle inside the west wing? we're getting the inside scoop from a face you know well when we come back. plus, still ahead on the heels of deadly tornadoes down south, a fierce forecast, rain, winds gusting up to 50 miles an hour. we'll tell you where. stick around. can fight psoriatis with humira. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific
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all right, gang, today, the first big work day for president trump, the first big weekday of his administration. he's had a fairly busy 72 hours. he's taken steps to suspend a mortgage rate cut, symbolically started chipping away at the affordable care act and we expect the overhaul of a couple of major trade deals. you saw this morning his meeting with business leaders around the country. congress now back to work with the trump agenda kicking into high gear, a lot of action, including some cabinet confirmations, key among them rex tillerson. and president trump to sign executives orders in maybe 12, 15 minutes, if he is on time.
you heard him renegotiating nafta. it's possible we could see changes to climate agreements. and a leading watch dog group in new york says it is filing at that lawsuit against the president. the group says mr. trump violating a clause in the constitution. norm eisen, as you heard just this last block, saying he plans to try to get tax returns, he and his group, when they do file that. plus we are awaiting an update on president george h.w. bush and former first lady barbara bush and their health. their doctors are set to hold a press conference at the top of the hour. president bush has been recovering in the intensive care unit since wednesday. mrs. bush also in the hospital with bronchitis. a family spokesman says they are both comfortable and in stable condition. we will bring you that update as
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bed and then the window comes across and then he come out and when he did, that's when everything just went to hitting and i got behind the door because stuff was hitting me and it was just terrible. it was awful. >> mariana atencio is in georgia. the images, that your devastating. what's it like on the ground? >> the tornado ripped through this wall of cinder blocks. we're talking about winds of 79 miles an hour here. look at the debris on the floor, power lines are down. that is the situation authorities are dealing with right now, especially as we're experiencing this drizzle that makes the search and rescue efforts just so much more complicated. these twisters just plowed
through southern georgia yesterday. and even today you still see just devastation like the one behind me. i want you to look at that massive truck, 18-wheeler. it just completely fell to the ground because of this twister and you're already starting to see some neighbors going to neighborhoods like the one behind me here on holly drive in albany, georgia, about three hours south of atlanta. people just starting to come to terms with what happened to their homes. i just spoke to the owners of a truck over there. they said the truck was their livelihood. they said it was traumatizing to see it. the red cross has opened a shelter here. we're expecting a presser at 11 a.m. the fear is that the number of dead and miss could rise. right now the death toll stand at 14 in the state of georgia alone.
this is the deadliest storm to hit the state in six years, hallie. >> she's talking about the storm. this was the first time we saw donald trump take the role of consoler in chief, if you will, announcing over the weekend that he called georgia governor nathan diehl to express his condolences and say that the white house, the new administration, is there to help. all of it as president trump gets down to business on his first full weekday in office. this a live look at the briefing room, a pretty packed briefing room today, as we expect not only the first press briefing from incoming press secretary sean spicer, expected this time to take questions from the media, unlike on saturday. you can see my guess is there. i want to bring in robert costa, national political reporter for "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst. bob, we are just getting word here.
ewant to start with news of the day, marco rubio announcing he will support rex tillerson for secretary of state saying he believes the president is entitled to significant deference when it comes to his choices for the cabinet. how does this play out on capitol hill? does this mean tillerson is a done deal for the state department? >> almost certainly. sometimes having these hearings like senator rubio did about russia and human rights, his allies it will me he was able o to. >> i was jufrs handed this statement from senator rubio. he said despite his reservations, he is still going to move forward with the support. the back and forth at the confirmation hearing was kind of the biggest headline on the day. what does this say about his
political ambitions or not? >> can't -- a lot of senators have a tradition of backing a you've soon the top hawks on capitol hill come around to tillerson. expect them to still be c-- >> you are quite plugged in. give us an idea of the power maneuvering happening back there. jared kushner we've confirmed has that small office right next to the oval. >> hallie, it's a power sharing arrangement. when you look at the picture of all the business leaders in the roosevelt room meeting with president trump, steve bannon
near the head of the table mingling with the business people. priebus is working closely with congressional leaders to try to come up with an agenda. they're trying to make it work. it's a lot of different personalities and ideaologies in the white house but it's a balance of power. >> do you have see them splitting up their roles between the three of them or is it kind of throw the spaghetti at the wall and see who peels it off. >> it's not just a troika. you have kellyanne conway, ivanka trump, anthony scarmucci.
>> how do you see this playing on the hill with members of his own party? >> when it comes to obamacare -- when it comes to trade, there are reservations. a lot of republicans privately are telling me maybe we're not really comfortable going where he's going. we'll be okay with getting rid of the tpp and we'll be okay with him directly negotiating different pacts but not -- the whole party right now doesn't want to go in the trump direction on trade. trump's going to have to make a sale, as well as making these executive actions. >> robert costa of "the washington post," excellent insight and perspective as always. thank you very. coming up, we're following up on what bob's talking about. putting his executive power to action.
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>> even rex tillerson for state, who republicans -- >> i'm confident we'll be able to get every member of the cabinet. >> kasie hunt, does it look look it's a done deal with the senate does kick into session here? >> it lookinghat way sofar. we have a state in -- they'll be asking him whether or not vladimir putin is a war criminal because of what's happened in aleppo and syria, he was not able to say in the hearing whether putin was a war criminal. a lot of pressure was brought to bear on marco rubio on the part of the trump team. he met privately with rex ti
tillerson last week. he had 100-plus written questions that tillerson answered in writing. now we're learning that marco rubio gave a statement "given the uncertainty that exists both at home and abroad about the direction of our foreign policy, it would be against the country's best interests to have the nomination delay. therefore, i will support mr. tillerson's nomination and in the full senate." we knew they were going to have a vote later this afternoon . >> kasie hunt, keeping an eye on all of it for us here on capitol hill, not too far from where we are posted up. thank you. i'm joined by congressman ron
desennd desantis. there was a question about mike pompeo and when he could get confirmed. you heard republicans say it is an example of the politicization of the process. do they have a point? >> not with mike pompeo. he's going to do areat job as cia director. >> do you think the democrats are playing politics. >> i think that they're frustrating at -- >> you support moving the u.s. embassy in israel from tel aviv to israel. this is something that president
trump on the campaign pledged to do. you have heard from the white house about when that could happen? >> we're hearing rumblings. i haven't heard anything official but they want to move quickly to begin the process. >> move quickly to begin the process could mean anything, though. >> you go back 20, 30 years, every single president when they were a candidate pledged they would move it, they'd get into office and say, eh, i just can't do it. it looks like he will follow through in one or or. he'd be the first that has followed through with making this promise i think in like 30 years. >> it in large pa how much of that is a concern of that to you? >> i'm concerned about the backlash that's been happening against israel. a really deplorable resolution
saying even the western wall was very ahistorical and unfair to them. they need us to show that we stand with them. the jerusalem has been the capital to and headline for you is this is where the rubber meets the road, moving on big issues like health care and immigration. but what we heard this weekend were conversations about crowd sizes, conversations about media. is that okay to you? is the discussion about alternative facts, what you want to be seeing from the trump without right now in. >> of course not. he got three areas based on his national guard national guard nas and three is take the fight to radical it lamb uk tryst but
i think that we're here, he's going to come to the regrept so he's got a good hundred or if -- >> you just ticked off three major issues that the president said you would focus on that you want imto focus on. was there any sense that the first 72 hours were about the background noise coming to the foreground? >> he went to the cia and said i got your back. >> he said a lot of other things, too, some of which weren't true. . i think by and large i think he's still got a great shop shot to it. >> senator mccain was asked about the president's administration so far. i want to play you a quick.
>> you say you have utmost confidence in his team. do you have utmost confidence in president trump? >> i do not know. he's made some comments that are contradictory. but i think the fact that he's appointed and nominated these individual is an encouraging sign. i trust in them and i believe in them. >> he trusts the team but asked whether he had the utmost confidence in the president, he saidion i don't know. >> i have strong confidence in him. i have he has put great people in place to serve in his cabinet. i they. thinking of your constituents, by the way, back there in florida. >> thank you.
. lastly, i think we're going to work with the house leadership as well. i'm not going to make any commitments there today. >> that's reince priebus saying president trump doesn't have immediate plans to undo orders that protects some young immigrants known as dreamers, undocumented immigrants. hey, gatti.
tell me about where you are. i'm looking at the backdrop and what potential changes those effect could have on the community. >> that was a really interesting interview earlier. we are in nogales. that's the mexico side of the bored are fence and on the left side is the nogales, arizona area. both of those sharing names. this is a port of entry that see as tremendous amount of trade that comes through. this is also an yaarea where yo see this fence. a border patrol officer came up here to say he was watching a man who was about to jump over
the border to the united states and he was going to go apprehend him. we heard priebus say it may not be the dacca program. they may want to work with congress to create a more lasting fix. that is a little bit of relief to a lot of the dacca and dreamers here in the united states. one of the other big concerns, when i comes to immigration, not just the dreamers but the families, a lot of families are here that have undocumented residents, maybe the mother and father and kid have dacc -- has threatened to deport 3 million people. but this is one of those communities that would definitely feel that right here
on the under. >> coming up, we have much more on the rest of the world of politics. the women's march in washington as you saw this weekend crisscrossing the country and the globe, too. now the big question is what is next for all these people, for this movement? are democrats going to be able to capitalize on this? we'll talk about this with our panel when we get back. and we are keeping a close eye on the white house. a live look at the briefing look here. president trump a little delayed in signing the executive orders. perfect. only one egg with more great nutrition- now with 5 times more vitamin d, 10 times more vitamin e, and 25% less saturated fat. only one egg good enough for my family. because why have ordinary when you can have the best. eggland's best. the only egg that gives you so much more: better taste.
president trump sign a series of executive orders. it was supposed to happen at 10:30. it was delayed by 15, 20 minutes. in the meantime, we want to talk about everything else happening in the world of politics with a dynamic duo, if you will. liz smith, democratic strategist and dallas woodhouse, executive director of the north carolina republican party. dallas, let's start with you here. you just saw a shot of presid t president. there's criticism that the president went to the cia, said he liked the intelligence community, despite having compared them to nazis in nazi, germany and then focused on the size of the inauguration crowds.
>> i think we've seen a lot of silliness over the weekend. we saw a big weekend of democracy, a big march on washington by opponent of the president. now we're getting down to the business of governing. i think that's what conservatives like myself want to see is taking action on illegal immigration, taking action ontd trade. >>. >> are you disappointed with what you saw this weekend? >> no, not at all. i was in washington. weep saw a tremendous inaugural, was thrilled by the inaugural address. i also saw lots of protesters exercising their first amendment rights. i just think now it's time to move on and focus on the important business of governing and that's what we're going to see. that's what people like me and the supporters we had in
washington are anxious to see, things to reverse a lot of the executive orders that mr. obama put in, things to give the business community confidence. and, yes, i do think republicans, though mr. trump did win caucasian women, we need to rich out to -- reach out to. >> there are more than a million people taking part in this. the president fouinally address it sunday. covering the protests this weekend, a lot of people said they want to now turn this into a movement. how do you do that? what is next for the democrats and progressives involved in this? how do you take the energy you saw on saturday and turn that into action? is that feasible?
>> it definitely. you saw it in fairbanks alaska, boise, idaho. this is a congratulations effort. it's one we have to harbor. some of these marches, we saw from the stage people encouraging people to text so we could collect their information. that's a good first start. but, look, we need to convey to everyone who turned out that it's not just the white house that matters, it's not just the presidential election that matters, it's your local races, it's your state races, your state attorneys general races. those are the people who will be on the front lines. this is a great start. the challenge is on us to translate this into you see all
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hey, back on snapchat, by the way. took a hiatus. right now more news and much more action with tamron hall back in new york. >> right now on msnbc, president trump is expected to sign a series of executive orders. one order is his intent to renegotiate nafta and the other is to withdraw from the transatlantic partnership. >> and is president trump varie violating the constitution? plus breaking news out of houston. an update on former president george h.w. bush and former first lady barbara bush. we're expecting that later this hour and we'll