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show talking about the new president and his public proclamation that we should take the oil from middle eastern countries and we may have another chance to take the oil from countries like iraq. we talked about how that is dangerous for troops who are deployed right now by the thousands in countries that are oil producing countries, including iraq. tomorrow night on this show we will premier something that indicates that that danger and the spread of that news about the new administration and its new policy toward that thing may already be posing a clear and present danger to americans serving abrood. -- abroad. not happy to show it to you but at this point it is necessary. now it is time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >> thank you for telling people what is coming up in this hour. i want to note right here, the reason all three are appearing together is we wanted them to
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but they wanted to. >> oh, wow. >> none of them wanted to come on alone. they wanted to appear as a group because they believe the dialogue requires this fuller range of discussion that we have all three of them. >> that is a big deal itself in the way the left is organizing an the way the anti-trump movement is shaping up. that's a bibig a big deal. >> it was a tough day at the white house, because that's what happens whenever the white house is caught in a lie. >> do you believe that millions voted illegally. >> this is a well debunked conspiracy theory. >> he believes that based on evidence presented to him. >> i've seen no evidence to that effect. >> i'm begging the president share with us information he has about this or please stop saying it. >> he states his conces of voter fraud and people voting illegally during the campaign.
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>> you have dead people voting. they woke up from the dead and went and voted. >> great political and democratic crisis we face in this country is not voter fraud, it's voter suppression. >> it is all about having lost the popular vote to hillary clinton. that is what rubs this man. >> there's something wrong with a person who cannot see beyond his own egocentric need. >> he is focused on the size of his crowds, ratings, hands, everything. instead of the cia he should be talking to a ci-chiatrist. >> the trump campaign woke up to the toughest headline on the "new york times" front page since the nixon white house. the headline ended in the word "lie." it said pleating with top lawmakers, trump repeats an
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election lie. there it is. on page one of the "new york times," accusing the president of the united states of lying and lying to congressional leaders, leaders of the house, democrat, republican leaders in the senate, democrat and republican. the friendlier version of that headline was in the "wall street journal." here's the way the "wall street journal" put it. donald trump repeats unsupported claim that voter fraud skewed election tally. an unsupported claim. well, let's take a look at what support the white house press secretary was able to give to that claim in the white house press briefing today. >>. >> does the president believe millions voted illegally in this election, and what evidence do you have of widespread voter
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fraud in this election if that is the case. >> the president does believe that. he stated that before. i think he stated his concerns of voter fraud and people voting illegally during the campaign. >> said there is no evidence. national secretaries of state said they don't agree. what evidence do you have. >> i think the president believed that for a while based on studies and information he has. >> so the president believes it. what do you do about a president who believes something that isn't true? well, for one thing, in the white house press briefing room, you keep asking questions about it. here's more. >> three to five million people voted illegally that is a scandal of astronomical proportions. doesn't he want to restore american's faith in their ballot system? wouldn't he want an investigation?
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>> he believed this for a long time and i think he won fairly overwhelmingly. >> i'm asking why not investigate something. >> maybe we will. >> the biggest scandal in american electoral history. 3 to 5 million people voting illegally. >> we will see where we go from here. right now the foe kuls the president has is on putting americans back to work. >> 3 to 5 million criminals out there, criminals. the kind of people donald trump said he will go after. he said he will go after criminals on day one. 3 to 5 million criminals out there and what is donald trump doing about it? there were more questions. >> i just want to be clear about this investigation. it could open the door for one. have you discussed -- >> which investigation are you referring to. >> possibly investigating the voter fraud? >> no, i did not. >> you said it is possible. >> anything is possible. i think at some point -- look, i
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was asked a question. there is no investigation. i said it was possible. anything is possible. it was a hypothetical question. >> joining us now april ryan who was in the room today, white house correspondent and washington bureau chief for american urban radio networks, author at mama's knee. and rick wilson, republican strategist and contributor to "the daily beast" and howard dean msnbc political analyst. april, take us inside the room today. it was something to watch i have to say from where we were sitting. what was it like where you were? >> it was interesting. it was -- there was an anticipation of the possibility of another day like yesterday but the issue of voter fraud kept coming up. and sean ultimately wound up saying he won, this president won, so really what's the point of having an investigation in to
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this? i'm thinking of this voter fraud issue and president obama said in the same briefing room last week saying voting rights is one of the major pieces that is still on the table. this is real. donald trump is talking about this whether he read it from -- president trump is talking about this whether he said it or read it or not he keeps saying it so there is an issue that needs to be dealt. this white house cannot run away from it. >> howard dean, here the republicans in congress who are not only not supporting donald trump in what the "new york times" calls a lie, but they are -- and they are watching his favorability numbers sinking like no other inaugurated president in history, and this guy is coming to them with an agenda, with a big golf earning agenda. some of which they agree and some of which they disagree. looks like today was a bad day
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not just in the white house but on capitol hill when you look at the way paul ryan and others treated this story. >> every day is a bad day when you have a president who says things that aren't true. i think if you did a study or poll on how many people believe the president tells the truth you would get very bad numbers, probably worse than his approval numbers. that's a problem for the republicans because it tarnishes the republican brand. unfortunately for the president, things will get worse, not better. as things get tougher and he runs in to controversy, he's only in the first week. it is an untenable situation where a president deliberately lies or can't tell the difference between a truth and falsehood and he tells one every single day. >> rick wilson, to the point that howard dean just mentioned, i have to say in my own antidotal experience of direct conversations with people who
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voted for trump, they almost all believe exactly this, that the margin -- hillary clinton's vote margin was all about illegal aliens voting in nevada and california. specific theories as they talk to you about it. is that what you hear from them? >> i do, but remember these are people that believe hillary clinton runs an international child cannibalism ring. they are divorced from reality. they are utterly -- they are utterly divorced from the fact -- these are people that do believe there's a secretive conspiracy for 5 million illegals to vote but don't believe that russia could try to influence our elections. this is something that in place of the narrative of donald trump wanting a separate hermetic seat bubble of news, information and knowledge that his people share amongst 24e78 amongst themselves it doesn't have to be relevant to any
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imperial fact of any sort. their comfort zone is to blame anything on the mystical externitie things like 5 million illegals or pizza gate or any other cooky theories they have come to adopt. there is no proof of it. believe me, if there were proof of it republican secretary of states, majority of which are republican, 39, 38, would be out beating this drum staying stop this. these are people dedicated to the integrity of the elections in our country. they would require depth, scope and gran lairty that event breitbart couldn't cover it with enough breathlessness. >> let's do a little map here. donald trump is saying it could be 3 million. it could be 5 million. the presumption in donald trump's dream is 100% of them voted for him. and all of the illegal voters voted for him and no one voted
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for anyone else and that's why he would have had the total vote count. i want to listen to this extraordinary defense that kellyanne conway provided today, this morning on fox news, for sean spicer and what is extraordinary about the defense is here's a white house staffer the defending another white house staffer and blaming the president of the united states for trafficking in falsehoods. let's listen to this. >> he talked about the fact that he was given misinformation early on. every time -- always be truthful, but i also think he tried to push back on some of the falsehoods and what i call presumptively negative coverage. >> april, that's kellyanne conway saying sean spicer tried to break news to the president and to push back on some of these falsehoods. in a conversation with the president, he's pushing back the
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president on falsehoods according to kellyanne conway and apparently failing in that mission. >> sean is in a very tough position. i'm trying to -- as a reporter, trying to figure this out and how it plays out. i believe what happened, i believe that president trump is someone, as sean has said, that president trump is someone who feels and he moats and his feelings have been hurt by the reports that have been happening. and the president has been on the table, emotional very upset. in the meantime, maybe sean got on the table with him for a moment. now he has to understand that this president, while he is on the table he has to look through and see what's real and see how to press this forward to make this president look presidential and make the situation look presidential. you know, i can see what kelly anne is saying about breaking news to the president and trying to push back, but it's a dance
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they are trying to navigate through. you can see it play out in ta briefing room. today, especially, how sean went through the room and tried to move on to people and they abruptly left in 45 minutes. it was hot in there. they are trying to navigate the waters and figure it out themselves. it's baffling right now. >> rick wilson, you worked for politicians. there's an answer when the politician insists that you go out there and tell a lie, and the answer is a simple two-word answer -- i resign. it is not a difficult moment. shouldn't be a difficult moment for anyone. it's a very simple sentence "i resign." i'm hearing a lot of sympathy that sean spicer is in a tough spot. it doesn't look like a tough spot to me if you know who you are. >> look, these are guys who are
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morally capitulated to trump and trumpism. i feel that sean spicer, on saturday, was almost over acting to prove a point, the equivalent of blinking out the word hostage or blinking morse code with his eyes. these guys know what they are doing. they have accepted that trump requires a level of obedience and insane behavior, they are going to stay on this roller coaster as long as they can. you are right. when a president is aed- tells a press secretary to lie, it's see ya. i got to go, boss. press secretary can go out and say many things. he can say i have nothing for you on that. i'll get back to you. i'll talk to someone else about that. there are a million ways to walk around a problematic question but the flat out lying, just saying the sky is bright green, just saying the moon is made of cheese, there were 47 billion people on the mall, none of that is true.
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spicer knew it and he's under the gun for it now. the washington press corps is having a tough time navigating where they are going to be in this behavior. i think it i is laudable that t folks are using outright lie to describe what they are doing. when kel li anne conway or sean spicer's mouth is moving lie can be in the headline. >> i'm not sympathetic to sean or the situation but try to see what's going on and what they are telling me from this administration is they got bad numbers early on. but still, that's the problem with the immediate, they needed to wait. they should have waited before they went out with a knee-jerk reaction and emotions from the president and all of that day from friday as well as what happened on saturday. there's no sympathy, i'm trying
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to figure it out 0 to see what is going on so i can accurately report to my constituents my listener and viewers. >> april, you are doing a great job and we have your questions cued up and ready to go to what you did in the briefing room but we have run out of time temperature we have some breaking news coming in right now. i will need you to stay in place for the next segment. because donald trump tweeted about things that will happen tomorrow. he said "big day planned on national security tomorrow. among many other things we will build the wall." . the "new york times" has detail on what donald trump has planned for tomorrow and looks like it will be a big day. and three of the leaders who are vowing to join a resistance against trump's policies will join us. ♪ audi pilotless vehicles have conquered highways, mountains, and racetracks. and now much of that same advanced technology is found in the audi a4. with one notable difference...
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confirmation. is that true? >> it's true that he said that, yes. >> so did not that he has ever done this before, but did the president lie? i know we don't use the word "lie" here when presidebecause polite. but did he lie to you? >> i haven't had a conversation with the president yet. >> which wasn't quite the answer. "how to win at business." step one: suck on and point decisively with the arm of your glasses. it is no longer eyewear, it is your wand of business wizardry. abracadabra. you've just gone from invisible to invincible. step two:
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"new york times" has just reported president trump will order the construction of a mexican border wall on wednesday. white house officials said and is mulling plans to stop syrian refugees from entering the country and to slash immigration of refugees from terror-prone nations, perhaps as early as this week. back with us april ryan, howard dean and rick wilson. howard dean, on the border wall, the reporter seems to indicate that donald trump will issue an executive order possibly tomorrow to shift federal funds to the creation of that wall. change whatever they are targeted at now and target them to the wall. >> this is one of the things, i think a lot of groups opposing trump's tendency to authoritarian will have to deal with because he will do a lot of this. the remedy is in the course. i think there is a question whether any president gets to divert funds that have been appropriatuated from one source
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to another without action. president obama found out when he tried to allow more people to stay in the country and was shut down by judge in texas, federal judge. the president can't change immigration policy many times without an act of congress, as well. we need to develop the capacity with smart lawyers who will begin to -- overreach, having been in office four days trump has managed to do on multiple occasions. >> this looks like a strong move to change the subject for tomorrow. >> i think it is a strong move on their part. they need to get away from the dumpster of today's news cycle. as governor dean mentioned the question here, is this showmanship and politics? i think their cover is the secure fence of act of 2006, as the authorization, i'm not sure
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how much latitude he has on the appropriations to move in to building a wall that will cost probably $50 billion. if it will span from the pacific to the gulf we're not talking about stringing fence and centers, we are talking billions of dollars and those moneys just aren't there and they certainly aren't proepuated fappropriated >> was there any hint what budget they maybe moving the money from, if it is in the homeland security budget? we haven't heard anything and we have to anticipate where it will come from tomorrow and of course he will stay things to kind of take the focus off the money, the funding and where it will come from, the ways and the means to pay for this, but talk about more so the kinds of jobs that it would bring to this country to build this wall and the problem is, again, where's the money going to come from to have 2,000 miles of a wall stop
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the peacing of this wall with fencing and what have you, a some lid 2,000 mile wall with a pretty door. people will be upset about the price tag that we have to pay for. >> howard dean, remember there was never supposed to be a price tag. that was supposed to be a check from mexico to pay for that. >> this president lives in a different world than most normal people live in. i truly sometimes wonder if he can tell the difference between his own fiction and what the real facts are. his numbers are terrible. i heard rick's description of the people that believe this. that is a small number. a lot of americans who elected donald trump voted for him not because they believed his bs but they wanted change and thought he was a better prospect of getting the change they wanted. if he can't deliver, if all this is six months from now is fluff, nonstatements and made up stuff at press conferences his numbers
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will be much worse than today. >> rick wilson, the big part of the wall chant, the part that got almost bigger than build the wall was when he would say to his audience, who's going to pay for it. >> right. so, what we're going to end up with is either an attempt for him to seize remitmetances that will require congressional action from my understanding or have a diplomatic breakthrough with mexico which looks unlikely right now, particularly as he's attacking them on multiple fronts and turning a relatively friendly southern neighbor in to one that feels like we have a hostile agenda against them. >> april ryan, on the syrian refugees, this is a relatively small part of the united states participation in the program is smaller than most other major countries involved an he wants to get that down to apparently zero. >> right. it is interesting.
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this is something the former white house, the former obama administration fought vehemently against. they said the numbers are small and the 350e78 that were going to come in that were vetted and screened tremendously. it took several years to screen them in some instances, and they were very against this. now this is definitely something that could be a reality. the numbers are small but it changes the dynamic of this nation and who we bring in and bring us your tired, weary, your hungry, it changes that and those who are persecuted. it changes that dynamic and we are going in to a new era. >> april ryan, howard dean, rick wilson, thank you for joining us. really appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up cecile richards and two other leaders of advocacy organizations who are planning to resist the policies of president trump. (vo) maybe it was here, when you hit 300,000 miles.
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>> i will be making my decision. this week we will be announcing. next week we have outstanding candidates and we will pick a truly great supreme court but i will anoups it next week. >> after a year of them ignoring merrick garland to fill the vacancy, it turns out the
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republican senate is ready to sit down and do their work of considering a supreme court nominee. pete williams reports tonight that three federal court of appeals judges appointed by george w. bush are the leading contenders to become donald trump's support nominee. they are neil gorsuch, former supreme court clerk, he sided with hobby lobby in the company's case against obamacare's contraceptive mandate. also in the final three is thomas hardiman, a graduate of georgetown university who's known for opinions favoring gun rights, and william pryor, former alabama attorney general and attorney general under jeff sessions, a vocal opponent of roe v. wade. joining us now se cease richa-- cecile richards. and the advocacy director for
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united we dream and a doca beneficiary. your reaction to this short list for the next supreme court nominee? >> grateful for the two women that president obama put on the supreme court, maria sotomayor and kagen. as we know verse roe v. wade hangs in the balance. we look forward to scrutinizing the record of anyone put up for the supreme court or federal opening. >> if you had to rank these three tonight, is it possible to distinguish between them in terms of which one would be -- i don't know what to call it but maybe the least objectionable? >> no, there isn't. these are -- as sort of a lot of
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donald trump's nominees are unacceptable to communities like myself. they present a clear and present danger to my way r way of life, the way of life of women and people of color in the country. we will see what they come up with but no good news here. >> this is what i have always said is what presidential elections are about even when you get down to the rare years when it doesn't feel like there's a big difference between the democrats and republicans, there's always a big difference on who will end up on the supreme court. what's your early read of this three possibilities? >> well, look, i think you can tell from reaction there's not a lot of hope. there's not a lot of hope for two reasons i'd highlight in addition to what my colleagues said before me. number one is donald trump committed to choosing a supreme court nominee from a list that was created by some of the grandest opponents of equality
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and justice in this country today. a right wing activist group gave them their list. that'sho he is picking from. that's the starting point. the second reason that you don't hear a lot of hope from us, lawrence, is because donald trump committed to appointing the justice in the mold of scalia. that is bad for immigrants, people of color, lgbtq people, bad for women and on and on. >> we are tarking about someone who will take the seat vacated when scalia died. this particular nominee is unlikely to change the dynamics of what we saw when scalia was on the court. >> that's true. and an important supreme court case last year. what you have seen repeatedly and it is interesting after the election the strongest public support for roe v. wade in our history. 70% of the country.
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it is really important when president trump makes a nomination and the senate looks at these nominees, it's important that we figure out judicial precedence and the millions of women that marched this weekend across every single state in america, including many foreign countries. it's clear that women do not want to go backwards, that we want equal rights and they will have a lot of blowback for any appointee who wants to turn back the clock on women's rights, particularly legal abortion. >> looks like we are days away according to the president, from having one name in front of us and we will have more to say about that then. you are aware of the president's tweet saying he will take actions not just on the southern border but immigration, possibly more generally. what executive orders are you anticipating that could be coming down from president trump possibly tomorrow?
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>> i want to make clear, donald trump is using the executive orders and the timing of them to keep communities in fear and perpetual anxiety. what we know is we don't know a lot. we know what he promised in his campaign to epiact a machine to keep refugees out of the country and make sure women are not able to choose. he has moved on some of those things already and he communicated his viewpoints of what will happen next through twitter today i think that for me i know i will be standing with people in fierce opposition to donald trump. whatever executive orders come underway. to tell you the truth, i'm afraid of what will happen to my community. i'm afraid of what will happen to my mother that is undocumented in dallas, texas, but i know the people in this
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interview with me and people across the country will stand up against him. >> have you -- grace, do you have any indication whether he would issue an executive order targeting doca? >> yes, i think that he said it over and over again for a year and a half during his campaign. the fact that he has not come out clearly in his administration of what he is going to do about it tells me about how cruel this person must be to keep the lives of almost a million people hanging in the balance. what we are demanding from trump is to be clear what he will do with the 3r578, with our families, with muslim immigrants, women, and so that we can continue to put our plan in to action and ensure that we are presenting a unified front and ensuring the spirits and the power of the women that came out to march on saturday is clear
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and it's forceful. >> chad griffin, are you aware of anyone in the trump administration or the trump family for that matter, since there's not a real sharp line between the two, who could be sympathetic to some of your concerns, ivanka trump or anyone close to the president? >> well, there's often talk about those in the trump family that might have lgbtq friends or colleagues or a question of whether the president does himself. but what is important to look at is what he promised to do on the campaign and what he has done day in and out since he has been president. he, first of all, chose the vice president that has been the number one enemy to equality. if you look at the cabinet choices he's made, he has chosen people who have stood in direct opposition to the rights of women, to the rights of immigrants and lgbtq pele. he p someone in charge of hud, therefore in charge of enforcing fair housing laws that doesn't
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believe that lgbtq people exist or at the department of justice, the chief law enforcement officer of our nation to enforce our hate crimes law. this man spent his spire career trying to stop an block our hate crime laws in this country. so if there are folks like ivanka or others we'd like them to stand up. make their choices heard, but what is happening right now is that mike pence and others are making the decisions. personnel is policy in this government. make no mistake about it. it is time for those who are allies in this administration to stand up and to speak out. >> all right. i'd like you to please all stay. we will squeeze in a quick break and we will be right back.
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on the doca piece i think the president has been clear he will prioritize the areas dealing with the immigration system, both dealing the wall and addressing people in the country illegally. first and foremost, the
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president has been very clear we need to direct agencies to focus on those who are in this country illegally and have a record that -- a criminal record or pose a threat to the american people. that's where the priority will be. >> we're back with our guests. when i hear sean spicer talk about the deferred action for childhood arrivals, the so called doca piece, it sounds like their initial concentration and possibly only concentration on deportation is going to be the criminal class they believe they can identify. he kind of deliberately avoids any real threat to doca beneficiaries like yourself when he is given that information. >> one thing needs to be clear. the trump strategy is to take the word criminal and put it as an umbrella on all 11 million
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people. what we believe is an attack on one of us is an attack on all of us. although he might be seeming like he's backing away on his threats on doca, i don't believe he will keep people like myself in safety or consider my mother who i consider a hero as someone who needs to be safe in the country. he callser a crinal. i call her a hero. the trump administration like to play games with words. we have already seen him in action in the last couple of days. i think that i will not know that i'm safe until it is clear and it is on paper and it is public. i will continue to fight for the 11 million people who are undocumented in this country. >> today was a day of action around the country. people resisting trump policies, visiting the local state offices of their senators and washington representatives, urging them to
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oppose the trump agenda in washington and of course that follows the biggest, just most massive inauguration protest in the history of the inauguration process that we saw in washington and around the world on saturday. cecile, i want to talk about -- when we talk about putting the show together tonight, you chad and greisa suggested you want to be on together. can you talk about why we are not doing a one-on-one with you, concentrating on your issues involving women's reproductive rights and why you think it should be a broader conversation. >> we work together so hard on these issues and i'm honored to be on this panel with chad and greisa because our issues do overlap. i look at it even from the 2.5
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million patients that come to planned parenthood every year. they are lgbt people, immigrants, women and scared about what may happen to them. and we have to stand together. i think it's important. that's what we saw at the march this weekend is people coming from all different walks of life, standing tone ago say we have solidarity. one thing that is important not to forget as we were discussing the way forward is that there is a whole other branch of government. u.s. congress that we have to focus on. the things they have pledged to do, paul ryan, practically the first day saying they were going to defund planned parenthood, roll back rights for women. these are things that it's not enough to be concerned about what the white house will be doing. we have to make sure every person that marches on saturday will visit their members of congress and senator when they are at home the third week of
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february. these people will be voting on immigration, lgbt or women's rights. >> chad, the same question to you. i'd like to hear why you want this discussion to be broader than the one you and i would have one on one. >> in so many ways it started during the campaign when donald trump, as he was attacking women and demeaning women and attacking people of color, and attacking immigrants, was pretending to be a friend to the lgbt community when he read the letters lgbtq off the tell prompter. our respon -- teleprompter. our response is he doesn't know our community. we are women and immigrants in fact we are 250,000 of the undocumented folks in this country today. we are people of color. we are muslims. so an attack on any one of us is an attack on all of us. our job, together, is to hold donald trump accountable. he is not the king.
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