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we expect to hear from the president, the vice president and british leader theresa may. in the meantime, i'll be around online, facebook, wait to einsta, snap, puck your poison a. more with my colleague tamron hall up in new york. >> right now, building the wall. today president trump is set to sign an executive order to fund his signature campaign promise. but funding it with federal dollars. will he keep his promise to make mexico eventually pay for it? it's just the first in a series of orders that include a crackdown on immigration and closing the door on refugees from several nations that are mostly muslim. plus, voter fraud investigation. that's the question this morning after the president says he'll ask for an investigation into his debunked claim that as many as 5 million people voted illegally. there is bipartisan outrage over president trump's claim, and
congressman james clyburn will join us live with his reaction. and information lockdown. multiple federal agencies are restricting staff from communicate with the public since president trump's inauguration. one of those agencies, badlands national park, is now trending after a social media blackout. plus, more breaking news. the dow jones average hits 20,000 for the first time in history. cheers broke out on the trading floor. we'll get a live look at the markets and talk to cnbc about what it really means for your wallet. good morning. i'm tamron hall coming to you live from our msnbc headquarters in new york. president trump is calling for a, quote, major investigation into his claim of 3 million to 5 million cases of voter fraud. now there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud in this past election. the question is, will he follow through with that tweet? this morning's tweet comes before he's set to sign executive orders on immigration and the border wall. nbc news has learned one will
fulfill his signature campaign promise to build a wall on the mex conborder. a senior administration official tells nbc news another will prioritize the removal of criminal aliens. nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker joins us live. now let's start off with this breaking news this morning. the president saying there will be a major investigation. here's what his spokesperson sean spicer said yesterday. you were present when we talked about how the president thinks. >> his concerns, voter fraud and people voting illegally during the campaign. he continues to maintain that belief based on studiesnd evidence people have presented to him. the present has believed that based on studies and information he has. >> so kristen, you were there. what are you hearing this morning? this has been at least as we've seen just bipartisan outrage. >> that's right.
i was there yesterday during that briefing. the white house press secretary sean spicer was pressed about whether there would be an investigation. he said anything is possible. today as you pointed out, president trump saying there is going to be an investigation. let me read you the tweet from president trump and get reaction on the other side. he said, i will be asking for a major investigation into voter fraud including those registered to vote in two states, those who are illegal and those who are registered to vote and are dead, many for a long time. we'll strengthen up voting procedures. that's the tweet from trump. this is a widely debunked claim. there's no evidence of this. you have attorneys general in various states saying they stand by their voting results and see now evidence of fraud. take a listen to what his fellow republicans had to say. >> i've already commentod that. i've seen no evidence to that, fect and made that very clear.
>> i can't help you very much on what the president says he believes. i don't have any evidence of that. >> there's no evidence of that. and i think that those who allege that have to come up with some substantiation of the claim. >> i am begging the president, share with us the information you have about this or please stop saying it. >> so pretty sharp words there, tamron. i'll be back in the briefing room today. and among the questions, is there actually going to be an investigation? who will he direct to carry out this investigation? and when will it start? so a lot of unknowns there with this tweet essentially indicating that the president is serious about trying to get to the bottom of what he alleges is widespread voter fraud. >> unknowns there. what do we know about these executive orders today? >> a lot unpack. here's what we know. according to a senior administration official, president trump going to follow through with his signature campaign promise starting the
process of building the wall. what specifically is he going to sign? he's going to direct pre. existing federal funds to start the process of building the wall. but it is incredibly expensive proerks tamron. mated at more than $6 million per mile, per level of the fence. so you're talking about many millions of dollars. if he needs additional funds, he will likely need congressional approval for those additional appropriations. so that's an outstanding question. n then the administration insists that mexico will pay for the wall. mexico insists it's not going to pay for the wall. how is that process going to work? we also understand that president trump is going to sign an executive order today directing federal officials to focus on deporting those here with criminal records illegally. that by the way is already in place. so the real thing we'll be looking for, how much of this is optics and how much of this is actually action? now there are a number of other
executive orders, we are told, that are in the works, including banning people from predominantly muslim countries, countries like iraq, iran, syria and yemen. and he's also looking into the possibility of reopening those so-called black sites, those foreign sites that were csed under president obama where detainees were held, detained and in some cases tortured. a lot to unpack here at the white house. president trump set to sign all of that at the dhs this afternoon. >> let's start with the black sites. what kind of or does he -- would it require any support from lawmakers, specifically people like john mccain who have come out against torture and other issues of concern related to this and potentially banning groups of people based on religion. >> that's going to be the debate. how much approval does he need from congress? how much latitude does he have
to act unilaterally. he is likely going to get some strong pushback not only from those members of congress who you mentioned but also from national security officials who have said that they are not going to follow through with orders that greenlight torture. this is something that was ended under president obama. one thing to know about executive orders is that often they don't have a ton of teeth. will he be able to find some loopholes around that and try to put some of this in motion himself? >> for more on president trump's call to look into voter fraud, i'm joined by ari melber. let's go to this tweet and the president saying he would launch this investigation. is there any bite behind that tweet? >> i don't know if there's bite but there is no widespread voter fraud. this would be an investigation into something, as you showed in
your open, there is no evidence of according to republicans and democrats alike. the study that sean spicer referred to yesterday, speaking not onliy on behalf of the present but on behalfful the united states. as primary author of the report the trump camp cited, i can confurm that report made no findings of voter fraud. there are not any allegations that have been taken seriously. there were about four cases of in-person voter fraud found in the last election. one woman voted for trump twice but nothing on the scale of 3 million to 5 million. we're asking the white house today, we submitted questions about what he's asking for because, is this a criminal probe? is the president serious? he's now the president. is he saying the doj should look at this and prosecute 3 million to 5 million people, or is he talking about something else? >> for people, and i have a very savvy audience here, but 3 million to 5 million, for
perspective, would be unprecedented. one of the largest criminal investigations if they were going to follow it criminally that we've seen. >> let's take voting out of it. imagine that on election day 3 million people stole cars. but nobody saw them do it and no local authorities investigated it. and now the president or some other person if you don't want to make it about him, has it these 3 million crimes occurred. no, this is ludicrous and unfound and has to be addressed as such. it is perfectly possible for the government to review voting. we've looked back at that, usually not in a criminal context but there's a presidential commission on election administration. president obama did, designed to be a bipartisan look at how this works. the carter/bacon commission, the help america vote act bipartisan in congress, and then the ballot access and voting integrity initiative under george bush. the problem with some of the way donald trump is communicating here still on twitter but these are the president's words is
he's taking something that could be okay, a review of voting, and making it sound as if it supports falsehoods and lies that he has pushed before. bottom line, the only thing they found wrong is voter registration because when people die and move, sometimes that isn't updated on the rolls. he's used this to suggest that paperwork might mean people are voting in person, 3 million to 5 million, and there's no evidence of that. we're going to look at the briefing this afternoon and the justice department to clear up some of the falsehoods that president trump is putting out. >> thank you, ari. joining me you, congressman james clyburn, the assistant democratic leader in the house. thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you very much for having me. >> i have a release that includes you and congressman cummings, brady as well, demanding proof of unsubstantiated republican claims of voter fraud. you've sent this letter out. what do you demand? what do you want to hear from the president and his team?
>> i would like very much for the president to produce whatever evidence he may have and so that the committee over here that congressman cummings is the ranking member of can take a look into this. i suspect that congress would have a tremendous interest in doing whatever it can to prevent any such thing from occurring. what i would love to see, i would life to see the president come forward in his infrastructure program, whatever plan he brings up, let's include voting machines and apparatus in that because i believe if everybody in this country were to have the kind of voting machines that allows for a paper trail to be developed, a lot of what has gone on now, a lot of angst that we hear all across the country could be solved.
i know in my state, i am not comfortable with the reliability of the machines that we use. and i would love to see machines that allow for a paper trail. and i think that the infrastructure program that the president is proposing would be a very good vehicle from bringing a lot of integrit sboe the process. >> there are many who wonder if the president and maybe some of those who continue to say that there was voter fraud with no proof are de flecting from more serious issues concerning redistricting. some controversial voter i.d. laws, things that are substantive and have perhaps been proven in court to be an issue, including the texas voter i.d. law that was just struck down by the supreme court. >> as as well, as the north carolina law that is currently being challenged. i believe that to be the case.
now we must remember that the attorney general designate, if he is confirmed, he has the background in chasing dubious voter fraud claims. i knew alfred turner and his wife very well. and he was advised as the attorney general down in alabama not to bring those cases because it had no factual base for it. he brought them anyway. there is no factual basis to be seen for this investigation but the president is investigating it anyway. i'd like to know who is advising him to do this. and this will have the country paying attention to a rabbit chase while the attorney general continues to allow states to dilute the voting strength of african-americans and brown and hispanic americans.
he will continue to allow these kinds of what i call creative devices to be developed in states all across this country that neutralizes and dilutes the vote of people of color. >> congressman, you attended the president's inauguration when others said that they would not. did not see him as legitimate. many read your actions as being willing to listen here and possibly work with this administration. here we are, the first few days with the president standing behind conspiracy theories, a series of executive orders that in many cases are not quite clear. today we're talking about this border that costs millions of dollars. funds existing and potentially more funds but no plan on how to make mexico pay for this. when you look at the credibility scale you were clearing willing to weigh in the side of
conversation, where do you stand today? >> i am all for working with this administration. he is going to be president for the next four years, hopefully not beyond that. and i want to work with him. and as i have worked with republicans in my delegation, i am the only democrat in my congressional delegation, and i think all six of those republican s will tell you thati work very closely and effectively with them. i want to work with this white house as i've worked with the speaker of the house. speaker ryan will tell you that i've worked very closely with him and he's put into 17 of his appropriations accounts my 10, 20, 30 program that he believes in, and i appreciate that. so i can sit down with this administration. we can talk about ways forward that would be mutually beneficial to the president and to my constituents.
and i'm all for doing that. so i'm going to conduct myself as a member of congress from south carolina with the realization that he is going to be the president, and i want to work with him on behalf of the american people. >> just quickly going back, how can you work with the president if he is willing to continue to pass along, in this case, again, one week in, something that has been proven false? >> well, you know, i have been pretty good over the years at compartmentalizing things. i can oppose the president on these chases down rabbit holes and still work with whoever in his office will be working with putting this budget together, putting these appropriation bills putting. those things would be separate and apart for what may or may not be taking place with the judiciary committee here in the house and his attorney general. the attorney general would not be working on the budget. and so i can -- i got staff that
can help me do both those things pretty effective leave. >> congressman james clyburn, thanks for your time. and some breaking news to report. the dow jones average crossed 20,000 for the first time ever. that happening this morning. cnbc's courtney reagan joins us wi perspective on it. you have some that bieve this is as a result of executive orders to the pipelines the president wants to pursue. is there any proof of that? how do we process these numbers with what's happening in washington? >> good morning. so it's all about expectations usually for the stock market. and that's basically what's happening here. when president trump was initially elected we saw a really big run in the stock market. across the averages and really across many of the sectors, especially those that would be direct beneficiaries of some of the campaign promises like cutting back on regulations. spending on the country's infrastructure, cutting tax rates for both the individual
and at the corporate level. and that lasted for a good month after the election. and then we got a bit of a stall out and that was mainly because there wasn't a lot of action that he could really take at the point when he was just president-elect. now that he has been inaugurated as the 45th president of the united states n has begun to sign those executive orders, the market is beginning to see that as a fulfillment of his promises during the campaign. and whether or not you agree with them politically, it is something that the market sees as growth. a forward step for economic growth. when you talk about things like building the country's infrastructure as well as things like cutting the corporate tax rate. that means that profits are higher. it allows companies to be able to invest that money. return that money to shareho shareholders so then perhaps consumer spending will go up. that's why we're seeing what we're seeing today. the dow crossed 20,000 for the first time today largely because of what we saw out of boeing.
they did report very promising quarterly results. and that was what bumped us higher just for today. but overall the trend that we saw most are definitely linking back to president trump's policies or proposed policies. >> courtney, thank you so much. coming up, how is the latest news about the wall with mexico? how is it playing long the border? wool take you there live. plus this. >> outstanding candidates, and we will pick a truly great supreme court justice. >> president trump says on twitter he'll announce his supreme court nominee next week. and we're getting a look at the names on the short list as democrats prepare for a fight.
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president trump is expected to sign multiple executive actions relating to immigration tweeting last night, we'll build a wall following the line we heard so often during his campaign. >> we will build a wall and, yes, mexico will pay for the wall. >> will build the wall. >> we will build a wall and mexico is going to pay for the wall. >> now president trump will reportedly meet next tuesday with mexico's president pena nieto. it will be their first official visit since trump was elected. gadi schwartz is in the border town of nogales, arizona. so there are many concerns here as we know initially. supposed to be federal dollars put in place here. you have american people w are worried the taxpayers of the united states will always be on the hook for this and that mexico will never pay. and that maybe the wall is not the solution to this ongoing problem of many years.
>> that's right. we've been hearing all sides of the equation here. in fact, right by a bus station over here in nogales, mexico. we're on the arizona side. you see buses pulling up. this is the border fence separating the united states and mexico. and through this fence throughout the day, we've been chat with a lot of people that have been waiting for the bus in mexico. we've asked them about those issues. we've asked them what they think about the wall. what they think about this fence. first off, a lot of people over on that side do not take this particular fence seriously. they say that it takes about 15 seconds to get across this fence and then they are apprehended by border control. so there is a sense that border patrol is on top of things but the fence itself is not necessarily the deterrent. we've been asking people what they think about the wall. some people say there's always going to be a will and a way to get over. others think this is going to be a deterrent. take a listen. >> you think he's going to bible
to do it? >> no. she said she's not sure if he can do it. maybe he can, maybe he can't. [ speaking spanish ] what do people think about donald trump? she says a lot of people are mad. a lot of people, she says, it affected a lot of people. >> when it comes to paying for this wall, we asked mexicans about it. they said that they have heard enrique pena nieto, the president of mexico, has pledged mexico won't be paying for it, but they don't really trust him. >> thank you, gadi. coming up in other news, outbreaks of the highly contagious noro virus spreading nationwide. millions have been sickened. even schools now forced to ose. we'll get an update. plus, dash cam video shows the moment a passenger train slams into a truck slicing it in half.
the nasty virus that's closing schools and making millions miserable across the country tops our look at countries around the news nation. outbreaks of the norovirus, it's a stomach bug, that hits fast and hard are being reported around the country. one chicago high school was shut down after more than 1,000 students and 50 teachers caught the virus in just a few days. outbreaks in rhode island caused several schools there to close. to disinfect classrooms and cafeterias. it hit some 20 million americans a year. and there's no vaccine. it's extremely contagious. minnesota governor mark dayton says he has prostate cancer. he's being treated at the mayo clinic. he collapsed at the state of the state address monday night but plans to continue working and will be transparent, he says,
about his condition. >> i don't expect it to, other than a very short period of time, to impede my performance of my responsibilities. but i'll know more next week. >> and his fainting spell was not related to his cancer diagnosis. today georgia's governor is touring counties hit by deadly storms and tornadoes this weekend. and he said he expects the federal government to sign off on a very soon. the governor heard from fema yesterday that it has completed a round of assessments where the first round of storms that struck the albany, geora, area rlier this month and he has every reason to expect the second request f money related to the latest storms will be granted quickly. county officials felt abandoned by fema after a january 2nd tornado that left $50 million in damage. 16 counties are now under a state of emergency due to the storm damage. in and in north salt lake utah, this dramatic video was caught
by a police officer's dash cam on saturday. look at that. the exact moment when a train slams into a fedex truck. the train just missed the cab. no serious injuries, incredibly. the accident is under investigation as authorities look into why the crossing arms weren't lowered to warn the drivers of the oncoming train. coming up, multiple federal agencies reportedly restricting staffers from communicating with the public, including on social media. this coming after a former national park employee posted tweets on climate change that many see as a protest against trump. that was on an official government twitter account. all of this is sparking fears of a broader crackdown across the government. we'll dig behind the headlines to find out what exactly is happening.
stop making public comments since the inauguration. buzzfeed reports the department of agriculture told employees last night that an earlier e-mail barring some public communication was released without official guide apse and is hereby rescinded. reports of a communication lockdown now. this came from several media outlets, including nbc, after the interior department was temporarily banned from twitter friday after it retweeted a photo comparing the size of the 2009 and 2017 inauguration crowds. on monday, the epa and the department of agriculture sent an employee e-mail to employees about suspending pli information and told nbc it was temporary for the agencies to assess the communications process for a new administration. yesterday, if you are still following me, the badlands national park twitter account sent out several tweets about climate change, including one that said burning one gallon of
gasoline puts nearly 20 pounds of carbon dioxide into our atmosphere. those tweets deleted. and a park service official blamed them on a former employee who they say was not authorized to use the account. democratic congressman elijah cummings is concerned about this reported blackout. >> i just want to make sure that all of those federal employees who have anything that they want to say to congress, because there's some confusion now as to whether they can talk to us. the law protects you and i will do every single thing in my power to make sure you're protected. call me. i want to talk to you. >> chief legal correspondent ari melber is back looking into some of the headlines, some of the accusations here. we know that badlands national park for example trending. they had a couple thousand following them. now they're in the tens of thousands of people following them because of the high interest in what's going on here. >> right. that's an interesting thing in and of itself. an old streisand rule on the
internet if you try to make something go away, it gets more attention from when she tried to get a photo removed. there are questions here although not evidence to be clear of a federal wide ban on all agencies. we did talk to the research service there at the agriculture department. that original e-mail said starting immediately and until further notice that group, ars, will not release public facing documents. this is not limited to news releases, photos, fact sheets and news feeds. that's the language since rescinded. an official said this is not a new policy. susspengs of public policy was going to end in a matter of weeks. that's chris bentley who i spoke to on the record about this. there is some documentation about this. there's often a pause at certain agencies during a transition. there was memos that show this in the 2009 obama administration handover. so there is some fair notion that this has happened before and allows them to get on message as they get new people in office. having said that, you raise what are still swirling questions
which is a momentary pause to do that is different from deleting things, particularly is different than if any of this comes out of a certain of political goals or messages. >> if this is a result of a retaliation, if the tweet goes up about the crowd size, if the president doesn't like it, is this pause the result of that information that is not to the pleasure of the commander in chief? >> right. that is not how it's supposed to work was something we've emphasize and will continue to do so is the federal government is, for all of us, paid for by all of us. so it is not supposed to respond politically to any particular goal or set of concerns that just involve politicians, even the president. it is supposed to have a wider set of standards. the other piece to this that's interesting when you mention the deleted tweets is we're in this new era. people think when you say tweet or the internet it sounds less important. the law doesn't see it as less important. the federal records act requires
that you maintain all records. just as in the same way agencies cannot burn a document, just because they decided they don't like it anymore or want to rescind it. even when you rescind it, you have to save it. the same is according to tweets. you are not supposed to delete things in the same way you aren't supposed to destroy documents. >> so right now, what is the official word from the white house? because this all still sounds very cloudy. >> i think it is cloudy. the white house has said at the white house briefing yesterday they are looking into this. they are certainly not trying to execute any kind of ban. as i mentioned from some of the officials we've been able to reach there is not the suggestion that the very fact of doing this is new or specific to the trump white house. so in fairness to them, this is not any kind of federalwide ban but there are questions about records retention and the way forward. >> thank you very investigating ararry. we'll see what happens later at
the briefing. environmentalists say they'll resist president trump's plans to advance construction of two controversial pipelines. but how can they stop the executive order? up next, i'll talk live with the tribal chairman of the standing rock reservation. where do they go from here? i'm a concrete mason.
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bismarck, north dakota, by phone with the latest developments on the president saying this is still negotiating -- he still wants to negotiate, particularly where the pipes are made. >> yeah, that seems to be a big part of his sort of business acumen about not only the dakota pipeline but the keystone pipeline. if you look at the dakota pipeline and we've got an sl excellent map that shows you where it's cutting through the country and how much is completed. it runs for over 1,000 miles but only has about 1,000 feet left to be completed. and it really is just that section by the missouri river. that's lending weight to the argument this should just be finished. the investment has already been made. the pipe has already been laid. the pipeline is almost completed. so the argument not only on behalf of the president, but also of energy transfer partners, the company that's building this pipeline is we should just be allowed to complete it. it was on track under president
obama until he rescinded that permission to finish the final piece. that's the argument to just finish this pipeline. >> so when we're looking at it and i'm sure you saw, cal, the markets are responding, it seems, in a positive way to there being some movement forward. a different direction than the obama administration but movement forward as it relates to this executive order here. the timeline, what are we looking at here for progress, if it is to move forward? >> so you mentioned the process that the army corps of engineers will now go back to in order to approve the pipeline. the thing many people and environmentalists and the tribe is looking for is an environmental impact study. there hasn't been an environmental impact study done yet and the concern is this could pollute the water supply. we're talking about 17 million people living down river from where this pipeline will be complete but again, there's this reality on the ground and it's certainly true here in bismarck. the pipeline was originally to
run through bismarck. you talk to people here, they're exhausted from the protests. exhausted from the media. yesterday the post office in downtown bismarck was shut down by riot police and protesters. there are people here who want this to be completed. >> cal, thank you. hundreds gathered near the white house yesterday to protest president trump's executive orders on those pipelines. more protests took part around the country, including a large rally in seattle. at the standing rock reservation, the center of the resistance, some tribal leaders say they were prepared for president trump's orders. >> it wasn't a surprise. we knew this was going to happen, and we've been preparing for it. you have to take an historical perspective of who we are. we've been resisting since point of contact. >> the chairman of standing rock, david archibald, thank you for your time. so i know that you are looking into limits of the executive
order. it's been less than 24 hours since the president signed that executive order, but as you stated and others, you were prepared for this. so the question is what next? >> we were prepared for president trump to take a run at everything we had accomplished over the past two years. we had asked for an environmental impact statement because we had concerns. and the troubling thing is that this president is circ ump ventivent i circumventing federal law. we have the environmental protection agency was put in place for a reason. it was because corporate world was contaminating water. the corporate world was contaminating our air. corporate world was contaminating our lands. so for this president to come in and say we're going to streamline everything and forget the environmental protection agency, forget all the federal
agencies that are making sure that the things that are important to this world are protected. he's coming in just trying to streamline everything for money and greed, and there's a huge convict of interest with this. he received a lot of money, $100,000 from the executive of energy transport partners for his campaign. he also has investments in philips 66 where this crude oil will be shipped and get refined. these going to benefit. and a lot of the lawmakers get contributions from the industry. so the federal laws are in place to try to facilitate the fossil fuel development. and keeping in mind these laws are being created by people who receive money. so this is not about protecting people or complying with law. it's about money and greed. and this president, this nation
better start bracing itself for what's to come if we're starting to witness in the first four days him using an executive order to circumvent federal law. it's not right, and it's something that we better get ready for. i was disappointed that it came this soon because we had worked so hard for the last two years. and the president didn't even reach out to try to hear our side or understand the concerns. there are local issues that are taking place and we've been working with the state government to try to address these issues. now this just stifles all the work that we've been trying to get accomplished in the last few months. >> i know that you have had continuous talks with the congressional delegation looking for some assistance from members of congress. the delegation all support the pipeline here. not to paint this as a battle that is over, but your legal and political remedies at this point, what do you see as your next best chance?
>> you know, we're going to continue to look at the validity of this action. and we're going to continue to talk to anyone that would be willing to listen to to try to understand why there is resistance and we're going to continue to try to get support from congress, who are not fed by the industry, and really open america's eyes on what's happening here. this is scary times especially if epa is given a gag order not to comment on anything, not to put anything out on media, not to discuss this issue. this is -- this is a scary time for america, and this is not about making america great it's making america bad again and abusing american indians again. >> thank you, i appreciate you joining me. this morning president trump will announce his supreme court nominee we're being told perhaps by thursday next week. as we look at the names on the
short list, what kind of fight can trump expect from democrats? we'll look at the short list, their backgrounds, why they have made this group of people that apparently are on the final trump list. ♪ everything your family touches sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox.
a daily briefing on politics. supreme court nominees the headline. for a closer look at potential picks for the high court, nbc news senior political editor mark murray. three names emerged and consistent. what can you tell me about these individuals in. >> the first is bill pryor. he's someone who is very close to donald trump's nominee to be attorney general, jeff sessions, both from alabama and bill pryor has a conservative background, once called roe very success wade the worst abomination in the history of constitutional law. despite that conservatism he's
recently come under fire for upholding a lower court ruling cited with a plaintiff for not getting fired for being transgender. that ruling made some conservative groups a little bit angry. so the person who night be the slight front-runner right now is neil gorsuch, who sits on the tenth circuit court of appeals. neil gorsuch has drawn parallels to antonin scalia, people see him as a strong textualist, someone who studies closely the words of the constitution and doesn't necessarily consider the constitution a living or breathing document. and then the third person on the list is thomas hardiman on the third circuit court of appeals. he put himself through law school driving in a taxi and of course he also is very conservative and these are the people right now who are considered to be the
front-runners, although it wouldn't be surprising if there's another name that comes outside of the three. >> let's talk about the battal head. chuck schumer being vocal, what if anything can democrats do if they don't get the moderate republican, some say, they want? >> you're right, tamron. chuck schumer said we want a justice that is inside the main stream, and democrats have the ability to filibuster. now that said, republicans could decide to be able to break the filibuster where they need a simple majority and of course republicans control the united states senate right now. i think one important context in all of this while democrats have the potential opportunity to transform the court, this is the scalia pick if republicans put a conservative on the court it balances out the court. it doesn't reshape the court.
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hour of "msnbc live." i'm tamron, right now on msnbc, "andrea mitchell reports." >> thank you, tamron hall. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," homeland. the president heading to the homeland security department next hour to sign an executive order launching what could turn into an $8 billion wall along the border, with no commitment yet from mexico to pay for it. >> walls can be easily breached but i believe that through the use of drones, through the use of towers that we are building on the arizona/sonora border are effective. we can secure our border but it isn't just with "building a wall." >> mr. trump also planning to restrict refugees mostly muslim from targeted countries. next up, reopening the debate on torture and prisons. false claims, trump calling for an investigation on widespread voter fraud. zblts hee zblts. >> it's a