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and chris crane, two friends of muslim world and the whole mine, president of national latino american population. i.c.e. council. we need to uphold. you guys are about to be very, a ban on muslims is unconstitutional. it reminds me of a time that very busy doing your job the way you want to. where are those guys? probably we are going back -- thank you. god forbid we don't go that thank you. far -- in which anne franc's we're in the middle of a crisis father applied for visa for her on our southern border. the unprecedented surge of father and willing to do all the things. illegal migrants from central she was denied a visa and she died in a concentration camp. america is harming both mexico and the united states. or those that came here bringing and i believe the steps we will take, starting right now, will 908 jewish refugees. improve the safety in both of they were denied entry into the our countries. it's going to be very, very good for mexico. a nation without borders is not u.s. and half of them perished. religious ban and selecting a nation. beginning today, the united people, we need to be open to states of america gets back all, based on our constitution. and we need to have equal level control of its borders, gets back its borders of check and balance that who's [ applause ] coming and who's not coming. >> thank you so much for being
with me, as well as victoria and matt miller. we're going to do a bit of a >> thank you. reset. it's top of the hour, 2:00. i just signed two executive thank you at home for sticking orders that will save thousands with me as we run through our headlines once again. of lives, millions of jobs and i'm katy tur at msnbc billions and billions of headquarters here in new york. dollars. we're keeping an eye on these two orders are part of an washington. at any moment, we do expect to hear the president's first remarks since making good on his immigration reform we outlined during the campaign. biggest and most controversial campaign promise. taking actions on immigration. i want to emphasize that will he right now, donald trump is at will be working in partnership the department of homeland security where he has officially signed executive orders marking with our friendshe the first steps to building that wall. it was the big focus of last hour's briefing inside the white people of mexico. house briefing room. take a listen. >> the president intends to sign and i look forward to meeting two executive orders. again with the president of mexico. i'll be doing that shortly. large physical barrier on the southern border. one way or the other, mexico we will discuss coordination on will pay for it. many, many important issues we're going to strip federal between our countries. grant money from sanctuary cities and states that harbor illegal immigrants. keeping muslim refugees at including the illegal bay for you nor as well as
cracking down on sanctuary weapons and cash from flowing cities. what's the reality here? out of america and into mexico. how soon will officials take out of our country, out of the action and when will we see a united states, and it goes right difference? what does the future hold for refugees already on u.s. soil? into mexico. they have to stop it. all of this capped off with an we have to stop it. ongoing claim by trump that 3 to we are going to save lives on both sides of the border. 5 million illegal immigrants cast ballots for her. now the nation's boss says he and we also understand that a will order an investigation. strong and healthy economy in from the nation's capital, the nation's southern border, our mexico is very good for the teams are standing by with the latest. let's start with nbc news white united states. very, very good. we want that to happen. house correspondent kristen by working together, safe welker who is live on the north lawn for us. if you could just run us through some of the major headlines from that press conference a moment borders and economic ago. cooperation, i truly believe we we would appreciate it. >> reporter: a couple of can enhance the relation between headlines, katy. our two nations, to a degree not one, that you and i were talking about, the fact that press seen before, certainly, in a secretary sean spicer was very, very long going to get be. pressed on that draft document of an executive order that has been floated around, which here's a brief summary of what essentially calls for actions are contained in my executive orders. potentially undoing actions that were put in place under president obama that outlawed black sites, those sites >> the secretary of homeland
security working with myself overseas where the cia would hold detainees and also outlawed torture methods, including waterboarding. so, the question today s this an indication the white house is now considering reinstating those methods? sean spicer pushing back saying it is absolutely not a white house document and not entert n entertaining hypotheticals. he wouldn't engage at all if donald trump would bring back those tactics although he didn't deny it. news on the border wall, k a. he reiterated that mexico is going to repay the united states. how specifically will that happen? will there be some type of reimbursement program through visas or through increasing tariffs? those are among the details that are being hammered out. one of the real questions to drill on as we move forward is the fact that the president's going to direct federal funds to go toward jumpstarting the
construction of this wall. will more appropriations be needed and, thereby, will congressional approval be needed? some call this a campaign promise broken because he says mexico is going to pay for the wall. instead, u.s. taxpayers are going to pay for the wall at the outset. spicer also pressed, of course, on that voter fraud investigation. not giving a real timeline of when it's going to start. let me toss it back to -- let me toss to what president trump had to say about that border wall. take a listen. >> are you going to direct u.s. funds to pay for this wall? will american taxpayers pay for the wall? >> ultimately it will come out of what's happening with mexico. we'll be starting those negotiations relatively soon. we will be in a form reimbursed by mexico -- >> so they'll pay us back? >> absolutely, 100%. >> the american taxpayer will pay for the wall at first? >> we'll be reimbursed at a later date from whatever transaction we make from mexico.
>> mexican's president said mexico will not pay, it goes against our dignity as a country and our dignity as mexicans. >> i think he has to say that. he has to say that. i'm just telling you, there will be a payment. it will be aform, perhaps a complicated form. you have to understand, what i'm doing is good for the united states. it's also going to be good for mexico. we want a solid and stable mexico. >> when does construction begin? >> as soon as we can. as soon as we can physically do it -- >> within months? >> yeah, i would say in months. certainly planning is starting immediately. >> reporter: that's the best timeline we have so far, katy, on that wall, in months. when he was pressed there by david muir about how mexico would reimburse the u.s., he said, they're going to pay us back. may be complicated. so, those are the types of details that are clearly still being hammered out here at the white house as we await these executive order signings to get under way at dhs. >> kristen welker on the north
wall. let's go to nbc news justice correspondent, pete williams. let's talk about how quickly president trump can get these actions in place, specifically comingith immigration. what aree likely to see and when are we likely to see it? >> today what we're going to get is the wall action. then the white house says action against so-called sanctuary cities. these are cities in the united states in which they instruct their police officers, their sheriff's offices, not to enforce federal immigration laws. leave it up to the feds. so if, for example, someone is arrested for, say, a traffic offense in san jose, california, and they serve their time and they are released f they're here illegally, what the federal has asked cities to do is turn them over to immigration authorities. if the police encounter someone who's here illegally. in sanctuary cities the police don't do that. the question is, we don't know the details yet on how the trump administration proposes to
persuade or force or cajole these cities into not being sanctuary cities anymore and enforce the immigration laws. will it cut off certain kinds of federal assistance? that's what we're waiting to find out the details on. we have not seen the executive order yet. we don't know if the president has actually signed it yet. >> we're not entirely sure how mayors of these cities could potentially push back on this. >> that's right. congress has twice tried to do this and it's not been able to do it. there are all sorts of legal questions about what the authority of the government has to do this. now, there have been many other ways in which the federal government in the past has persuaded cities to do things. enact the brady law, background checks for guns, an act of 55-mile-an-hour speed limit, all of which are conditioned on receipt of federal funds. so, there's a pretty wide latitude for the federal government here. we're just waiting to see the details. >> pete williams in our washington bureau, thanks so much. we got a lot out of that press briefing a little earlier. we got a talk about sanctuary
cities, immigration. we also have talk about that voter fraud investigation and claims that massive voter fraud impacted the 2016 elections. it's why donald trump, he says, did not win the popular vote. here was sean spicer in the last hour. >> he wants to watch an investigation in voting irregularities in the 2016 election. >> to be clear. not just in 2016. in terms of registration where you have folks on rolls that have been deceased or moved or registered in two counties. this isn't just about the 2016 election. this is about the integrity of our voting system. >> msnbc chief legal correspondent ari melber joins me in new york city at the table. are we belaboring this? are we harping on this too much by getting into and parsing the words that donald trump said versus the words that his white house spokesman said? donald trump is talking about 3 to 5 million undocumented imdwrants, illegals, he calls them, voting. sean spicer talking about investigating the voter rolls.
is the press taking what donald trump says too literally? >> no, not by any normal standard of what is news. we cover what is significant. we cover what is unusual. we often cover what is scandalous or deceitful. this is all three of those things. no other time has a president cast so much doubt on the voting count. it's odd because he won. that's typically not a posture within which a government official is then continued to bemoan or complain about the process. it also has all the markings of a deliberate lie. i say that carefully because i say that specifically because when this first arose in the trump campaign said there were these types of voter fraud cases and then cited the same pew study that we have been educating the audience on for folks who didn't already know about it, they were correctly
rebutted and corrected on it. that was months ago. they have now had time, have reason to know this is false and have the federal government to run. david becker who authored that study said as pmary author of the report trump cited, i can confirm that report made no findings about voteder fraud. that is unambiguous and clear. it is a big deal when the president says 3 million people committed a crime and nobody saw them. we have to take it seriously. i think part of the question that is a political question, maybe not a journalistic or legal one is, what do you do when a government puts out false information and then tries to move on from it without actually addressing it. there are a lot of experts who say that in itself is corrosive on integrity. the one point i will make in fairness to sean spacer, there are government reviews that go broader than looking at voter fraud. we'll put a few up on the screen. in a bipartisan way this has happened before. it's usually about helping the elections work. there was a commission of election administration under
obama, the carter/baker commission, the help america vote act, a ballot act initiative under the bush doj. so, there's certainly nothing wrong with what he alluded to today, mr. spicer, which is you can review this stuff at a broad level. there is something wrong with the false claim that 5 million people broke the law. >> ari melber, thank you for joining me. we should note to viewers we're awaiting donald trump's arrive at the dhs. he's expected to give an address there after he signed two executive orders today. joining me now to talk about this even more is charlie sykes. we have a fophoto on our screenf donald trump signing those executive orders. i'll pose this to you, charlie. it seems like what we're seeing here is something we saw quite often on the campaign trail. donald trump says one thing, his aides, his spokes people try to walk it back and give it some shades of gray. basically, push it into the
realm of reality in some cases or l, what is legal. we saw that with the muslim ban. donald trump said we're going to ban all muslims. his aides said no, it's extreme vetting, it's from certain countries and not a religious ban. we have not heard from donald trump, who's the president, i don't want to ban all muslims. this is not a muslim ban. >> you're right about the pattern there. i think ari used two words that are very, very important. what we're seeing now is it is not normal and, number two, it's a lie. the reason why it's legitimate to keep pushing back on this voter issue is the administration cannot be allowed to just make up its own facts. secondly, there's a real danger here. i actually think it's important to look at voter integrity, to make sure there is not, in fact, voter fraud. we're getting very close to having a constitutional crisis in which we have the legitimacy of the democratic process fundamentally undermined. you can just what would have happened if hillary won this
election. are we going to get to a berd where a large number of american people don't believe the election was fair or believe the truth is unknowable somehow. >> take me to the logical conclusion of that. what happens in 2020? 224? 228? where could that potentially lead us? >> that's what i'm getting at. >> is that alarmist? >> no, because i think before the election there was a lot of concern. will there be the recognition of the legitimacy of the election, the peaceful transfer of power. what number expected is he would be a sore winner in this particular way. i do think that there's something to be said for assuring people on both sides of the political spectrum that this is on the up and up. there is voter integrity. if we could at least put to rest some of these weird conspiracy theories, that might be a positive. >> there's a lot of discussion out there, when you call something a falsity, a falsehood and when you call something a lie. you used lie right now. tell me why you decided to use that word instead of something a little bit more polite, i guess, like falsehood, which is usually
reserved for the president of the united states. >> in particular case it's a knowing falsehood. >> you believe his facts and research, there isn't any of that there? >> right. it's hard to get inside anyone's mind what you actually know. what i know is that i don't think he cares whether or not it is true or not. a fundamentally important issue here. and i think this is something that the democrats and republicans ought to agree on, that once we have an election, that unless you have overwhelming evidence of some sort of criminal activity or fraud, you do not make allegations like this. and i do think it's very, very interesting. the contrast between how he wants to have an investigation of this but not an investigation into the russian hacking. >> that's a good point. that's a point we made in the last hour. one quick question. donald trump last night congratulated fox news for getting better ratings than cnn. it's continuing to call cnn fake news and continuing to push back, a traditional media news outlets. you've written about this. you've spoken about this.
what is it doing, if you're trying to go out there and undermine the free press? >> what he's -- he's not just trying to undermine the free press. i think he's trying to empower an alternative -- >> choosing one media network over the other. >> rush limbaugh talked about state-run media. now we have state-run television. the fact he takes out the time to tweet out about crowd sizes and tv ratings says volumes about the president. this is another one of those things, mr. president, just focus on what matters. >> gabriel sherman of "new york" magazine tweeted out about how happy behind the scenes at fox were, this is his reporting, not mine, that mang kelegyn kelly i longer there. she, of course, is coming to nbc news. charlie sykes, we're also happy to have you here. thank you for joining me. trying to get down to what this all means for us and where we could be headed.
a lot of open questions right now, charlie. thank you. as we await president trump's remarks, i'm joined from phoenix by arizona secretary of state, republican, michelle reagan. secretary, talk to me a little bit about what it's going to mean for your state once these executive actions are enacted. >> and i'm going to assume that you're talking about the executive actions -- >> well, we got the wall and we have immigration, so specifically those two. the wall, let's start with the wall. >> actually, what i'm thinking more of an expert on is making sure people are voting that should be voting and not voting that shouldn't be. >> i'm sorry. let's talk a little about voting fraud. did you see any instances -- my bad. apologies on my part. did you see any instances in your state that could potentially offer evidence for trump's claim or even the spokesman's claim, that there was something shady going on
during the election in 2016 or any past elections? >> well, i can say regarding arizona with absolute confidence that the arizona elections were safe, secure and done with the utmost integrity. so, donald trump won our state, over 100,000 votes. and rest assured, those were all done by real voters. >> how does your party deal with this? obviously, trump is the republican president. he's saying things many republicans on the hill, and certainly you just said, that don't have a basis in fact. how does the republican party find a way to get on the same page and how do they find a way to support their president in matters that they believe to be true? >> i think when we're talking about election integrity, that's not a partisan issue. that goes for republicans and democrats. the goal is to make sure the
public has confidence in the system and the system is safe. secretaries of state all around the country do that day in and day out. it's not just during election time. it's really a bipartisan issue. >> there are polls out there that say americans on both sides of the aisle are losing faith in the electoral process, they're losing faith in the system. how do you find a way to make sure americans know that our elections are free and they are fair and we democratically elect our leaders? >> i don't think that in arizona people are losing faith in their election system. i do know that we had more people in this general election than ever vote in arizona. which was very exciting. the way we keep the system free from fraud. remember, that's the goal, to keep the system free from fraud, is to make sure that our laws are always updated to whatever the new thing that we're seeing out there. so, if it's dealing with cyber security or if it's dealing with just last year we were able to ban the practice of people going
door-to-door and collecting ballots in arizona. it's keeping the laws current to make sure the system is as free from fraud as possible. >> arizona secretary of state, michele reagan, thank you very much for being here. a reminder, we're still watching our screen and awaiting donald trump at dhs. also today's microsoft pulse question of the day. do you believe there should be an investigation into president trump's unsubstantiated claims of voter fraud? cast your vote at pulse.msnbc.com. we are awaiting donald trump's remarks at dhs. a wall and a ban to protect the border, how we integrate and where we do it? is it necessary to keep america safe?
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right now we're waiting to see him at the department of homeland security where he signed two executive orders. this amid speculation that more orders could come that may ban immigrants from muslim majority countries. joining me from seattle, general barry mccaffrey. thank you for joining me, as always. let's talk about a purported document, a draft of an executive action that the white house pushed back on today, but a draft that basically was going to allow reopening or reconsidering enhanced interrogation. sean spa sean spicer was asked by my colleague, kristen welker. >> this is the second day in a row we're getting asked about documents floating around and people are saying -- frankly, reports being published attributing documents to the white house that are not white house documents. >> i haven't attributed -- >> i'm not saying you. >> i'm asking you, do you know if he's seen it? >> to the best of my knowledge,
he hasn't seen in. >> msnbc's ari melber notes it doesn't necessarily have to come from the white house as draft for a potential executive action. can you notice sean spicer didn't deny they were considering it. if donald trump, as he advocated on the campaign trail, wants open up torture laws, talk about enhanced interrogation, talk about waterboarding, is he going to be able to do that with executive action? >> never. it's against the law, against international law. by the way, it goes beyond torture. it's also abuse of detainees. i think, to be blunt, i can't imagine our secretary of defense, jim mattis, allowing this to happen. now, i think the lesser question is these secret interrogation sites.
>> these dark sites, right? >> yeah. there's probably room to say, look, the agency has to be able to pick up and hold people in iraq and afghanistan and not turn them over to the local people who would abuse them. so, i think that's probably something worth analyzing. but the abuse of detainees has to be off the table. it's not just that it doesn't work well. it destroys our moral standing in the world. and it's a disgrace and dishonorable to the armed forces. >> well, on enhanced interrogation, as we said, donald trump advocated it quite a bit during the campaign. he walked that back a little when he talked to his now department of defense secretary-general james mattis. but we should also note during the campaign, and this got very little attention at the time because it was during the russian hacking press conference, but he also said that the geneva conventions were out of date. take a listen to my exchange with him back in july of 2016. >> the enhanced interrogation aspect of it --
>> i would -- katy, i would renegotiate so much of everything. i'm going to renegotiate our trade deals where we're losing with everybody. i'm going to renegotiate our military deals where we're protecting countries and they're not living up to the bargain. >> on the geneva conventions and enhanced interrogation, do you think they should allow for that given th -- >> i am a person that believes in enhanced interrogation, yes. by the way, it works. by the way, it works. the geneva gwen conventions go back many years. this specific convention back to 1949. general, if trump is willing to reopen or re -- could he potentially renegotiate the geneva conventions and if he was going to back out of it. not saying he's going to but he talked about it on the campaign. if he was going to back out of it, what would that mean? what would that look like? >> you know, these are international treaties, katy.
a lot is sheer blather, nonsense. >> do you think he didn't know what he was talking about? >> no. it's a shameful position. i have a son and daughter in uniform in the armed forces. we don't what our military being subjected to waterboarding or torture or whatever. so, i just think this is a nonstarter. now, there is certainly room to analyze how you deal in the cia with jihadists you picked up on battlegrounds like afghanistan and iraq. by the way, his other comment apparently is about guantanamo, about keeping it open and using it to take more prisoners. that place used to be useful to us as a detention site. it's now under the supervision of federal courts. there's no sense in keeping this frightfully expense si detention center operating any longer. we have to shut that down.
>> how does donald trump risk change our reputation around the world? >> you know, to be honest, this happened before. it happened in bush 43 with secretary cheney and we have a bunch of lawyers in washington that agreed to this absolutely shameful conduct. i think we kill canned people under our detention, both in afghanistan and iraq and possibly elsewhere, so that's a chapter that was shameful. caused us enormous damage in the world arena. we have to close that door. it's against the law. people that violate the law should be prosecuted. >> general, i'm going to play devil's advocate. a lot of donald trump voters say times have changed. we're dealing with an enemy in isis that we've never seen before. this is a new and extreme and we need to be extreme to combat it. >> it's nonsense. we fought the nazis and destroyed them and they killed 12 million people.
they gassed half of the population of europe and we didn't certainly under the rules of -- land of warfare treat the nazis that way. we gave them trials when -- at the end of the war, the nurenberg trials. this is nonsense. the jihadists are not going to bring down an america. this is a minor national security threat. north korea, iranian nukes, russian expansionism, chinese mischief in the south china sea, these are the major security challenges. certainly abusing detainees under our control in the middle east is not going to get us anywhere but shaming ourselves. >> general barry mccaffrey, thank you for joining me. i should say we've seen the press pool, photographers, still cameras, file into department of homeland security. that's usually a pretty good indication of the president making his way there. we're going to take a quick break right now and we'll see you on the other side.
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picture of the democrat of homeland security where we expect donald trump to make an address moments later. earlier, he signed two executive orders cracking down on immigration. action deporting criminal aliens. we'll find out how he defines such aliens in the executive order. also funding for the wall along the mexican border, something his supporters cheered at every rally along the campaign trail. gadi, what is the reaction to the new signings? >> reporter: on the other side of the border in nogales, there is confusion. earlier, when trump was asked whether or not this is going to be a fence by a reporter, he said, don't misreport it, it's going to be a wall. today the white house is saying now a physical barrier. it's unclear whether or not this type of fencing will constitute as a physical barrier.
this right here is just one piece of a 700-mile stretch of fence. this stretch right here is about three miles long. it breaks up and then continues throughout the states of california, arizona, and then parts of texas. but most of the border, that 2,0 2,000-mile stretch of unprotected by a barrier. there is border patrol but not a fence. mostly sensors, blimps, other types of deterrents. the physical barrier is what we're talking about now. that's what we were asking the people on the nogales on the arizona side as well as the mexico side. the people we talked to in mexico at a bus stop right near the fence said they had heard about the news and they were concerned about a lot of them have family over in the united states. one woman told us that every week she comes and talks to her family through the fence. she is worried that if there's a wall that goes up, she won't be able to do that. there is also the concern of the
cost. who's going to pay for this. obviously, donald trump says mexico is going to pay for this. we were talking to mexicans earlier today that said they stayed in the country of mexico and they don't understand why they should have to pay for this wall if they have not come over here and it's not something they necessarily want. also here in nogales, this is a community that sees this fence as somewhat of a deterrent. they see border patrol more of a deterrent. they said it takes about 15 seconds for someone to climb this wall, get to the top and come over to the united states. again, it's yet to be seen whether or not this type of fencing will constitute a physical barrier. >> very quickly, have you found anybody that's in support of this wall? >> yeah, we have. we talked to one trump supporter here in town. he says that he supports the wall. the reason why, he's actually from mexico, born on the nogales side of mexico, and he said recently he has lost a lot of business.
he has a shop where he sells mexican imports. he says people don't come to nogales anymore because they're scared of the violence that happens on that side of the fence. he thinks a wall will help restore some law and order. so he's supportive of the fence. even though he's from mexico, has family in mexico, he says that immigration laws should be followed. >> nbc's gadi schwartz along our southern border. thank you very much. let's go to congress castro, democrat, who represents the 20th district of texas, not far from the u.s./mexican border. also sits on armed services, foreign affairs and house permanent select committee on intelligence. congressman, thank you so much. in the past you said you'd be willing to work with donald trump when it comes to this wall. tell me where you stand right now. >> well, i've never said i've been in favor of a wall. >> but willing to work with him, right? >> certainly willing to work with him on the issue of immigration. >> got it. >> when he's talking about building a wall across end to end the u.s./mexico border and
then signing the executive actions that he did today, he ral -- these things are substitutes for real policies that will do any good in terms of immigration. he should be focusing on working with the congress to pass a comprehensive immigration reform bill. as you know, we got close in 2014, the u.s. senate passed it. john boehner, speaker at the time, refused to put it on the floor for a vote. even though by our count the numbers were there to pass it. i see this as his way of showing off to the base of the republican party with something that's going to cost americans $25 billion when we already spent $18 billion on immigration enforcement. something that's going to be largely ineffective at a time when immigration in this country is at about a 40-year low. >> donald trump did use that deal on immigration, that bipartisan deal on immigration, to really go after his opponents during the campaign. specifically marco rubio.
if he campaigned on it, people cheered him on for it, they wod have for him over someone like marco rubio, what makes you think there's going to be any appetite whatsoever to find a way to deal with immigration and deal with undocumented immigrants who might already be in this country? >> well, you know, if you look at public support for building this wall, the last pole i saw was about a january 18th poll that krction ran. it had 59% of americans against donald trump's wall. so, he did win the election. that doesn't mean he's making good policy. he ought to work with congress towards something constructive rather than going for the lazy fix here. >> do you think that he has an appetite to work with congress or does he feel like he has a mandate, despite what the polls may say now? they've pretty much brushed off polls that haven't been in their favorite. >> let's be clear, he has no monday date. he lost the popular vote by 3 million votes. he goes in at a time where he has republican control of both
cham bers of congress. so, if paul ryan and mitch mcconnell are not willing to stand up to a guy who has imagined that 3 to 5 million people voted illegally, then i don't know what they're going to stand up to him on. that should give people in this country, republicans and democrats, americans of good conscious, real pause. >> are you considering running against ted cruz for senate in 2018? >> i've said i'll look at it. texas is hungry for change. they want a senator who will work on behalf of the people in texas. first day in office, ted cruz has not spent a single day working for the people of texas. >> is that a yes? >> if i do, i'll let you know. >> it sounds like you might be leaning towards it? >> i'm not going to say today. certainly in the next few months -- >> we're just trying to break a little news on this hour. >> i understand. >> congressman castro of texas, thank you very much. >> thank you.
join mechanic now, democrat javier gonzalez, mayor of santa fe, mexico, a sanctuary city. mayor, talk to me about why you support your city remaining a sanctuary city and do you plan on doing anything to fight this executive action? >> hi, katy, it's good to be with you. santa fe is in the great state of new mexico, and really proud to be born and raised in this city. our city has, for the better part of 400 years, practiced critical value. that is the value of nondiscrimination, of respecting and showing dignity in the presence of every person that has called santa fe home. >> mayor, i'm so sorry to interrupt you. i'm so sorry for saying mexico and not new mexico but we havement so heartbreaking news to reporter. mary tyler moore passed away at the age of 80.
here's miguel. >> will you marry me? >> reporter: most people know her from tv. mary tyler moore's two major sitcom roles are emblematic of the way women changed from the early '60s 1970s. there was laura from the old dick van dyke show, stay-at-home mom who brought her own brand of spunk to the screen. and mary richards, the career woman of the mary tyler moore show. >> i got nominated. >> reporter: born in brooklyn, new york n 1936, moore was the oldest child of an alcoholic mother and a distant father. she found refuge in dance lessons. >> i'm happy. >> reporter: those lessons led to her first job out of high school, appearing in appliance commercials as the hotpoint elf. at 17, moore married richard meeker, an older salesman.
then lost her job when she became pregnant at 18 with her only son, richie. >> it's no use, pete. i'm just fed up. >> reporter: she returned to tv as a guest star on various series until she landed the role of sam, the sultry, unseen answering service operator on richard diamond private detective in 1957. >> grab your pencil. >> reporter: her big break came in 1961 when she became dick van dyke's tv wife for the next five years. >> oh! >> reporter: she returned to tv in 1970, "the mary tyler moore show" produced by her own company, mtm, led by her second husband, grant tinker. she broke the mold for women in sitcoms. she was over 30, employed and actually spent the night with a man. >> why are you here? >> well, i haven't seen you in a month or so and, i -- oh -- oh, you didn't think that the only reason i was here was to -- no,
no. >> reporter: instead of family, she had coworkers and friends. ♪ it's a long way to temporary >> reporter: in seven years the series won a record 29 emmys. in the late '70s, moore turned to the stage and the big screen. first as a suicidal pair pa leejic in "who's life is it anyway" on broadway, followed by her academy award nominated performance as repressed mother in the movie "ordinary people." but moore's private life was in turmoil. >> about the early 'siven70s i to drink to the point where i thought about it as a solution. >> reporter: her son died of an accidental gunshot wound and her 17-year marriage ended a year later. in 1984, moore checked herself into the betty ford center. >> that's a bate that is never won. you constantly say, i am a recovering alcoholic.
>> reporter: now sober moore played lead and supporting roles on television and movies for new audiences. >> i want you to consider my age and ask yourself how i maintain -- >> why are you doing this. >> reporter: moore who suffered from diabetes most of her adult life was a spokesperson for the juvenile diabetes foundation and an animal rights activist. for fans, she was in the words of her theme song, someone who could turn the world on with her smile. ♪ >> reporter: nbc news, los angeles. >> we only learned that mary tyler moore was in grave condition just today. the family was said to be rushing to her side in order say good-bye. she had a long battle with diabetes and underwent brain surgery back in 2011. tmz is reporting that one person told them that she had been on a respirator for a week. i know in miguel's spot he talked about how mary tyler
moore was an inspiration for trying to get into the acting business. she was certainly an inspiration for women trying to get into the news business. i count myself as one of them. i watched her show religiously as a child on nick at night and couldn't have been more entertained and enthused and girded by her. some of her more memorable quotes, you can't be brave if you've only had wonderful things happen to you. take chances, make mistakes. that's how you grow. pain nourishes your courage. you have to fail in order to practice being brave and sometimes you have to get to know someone really well to realize you're really strangers. the more you know, the less you know. mary tyler moore dead at the age of 80. we'll be right back. ♪
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report. actress mary tyler moore pass add away at the age of 80. she had been battling diabetes for much of her life. in 2011 she had elective brain surgery. we knew she was not well. we did not know it had taken such an abrupt turn for the worse. we only got reports of this just in the past hour, that she was in grave condition at a connecticut hospital and that her family was rushing to her side. again, she died today at the age of 80. joining me by phone is alan, a tv critic. thank you so much for getting on the phone to talk to us about this. give me a little bit about mary tyler moore's legacy, what she meant to people and what sort of gap or hole that leaves in the entertainment business, losing her this year. >> >> mary is a handful of the greatest stars, between the dick
van dyke show and "mary tyler moore show," and she and her husband created tmz, responsible for the mary tyler moore show, hills street blues, st. elsewhere. she was a giant. >> as a female in her 30s, working in the news business, she certainly was somebody who i looked up to for "the mary tyler moore show," something i watched as a child, probably drilled down into my brain that i didn't fully realize and getting me to join -- to get into the news business, to become a reporter. talk to me about what she meant to feminism, what she meant to women, how strong she was. what sort of example she led. >>. >> mary richards is an important character.
it was important to have her be a single woman focused on her career and not looking for a man. she dated over the show but she never married. her family were the people she worked with at the news station who came to respect, admire and love her, not for the way she looked but for the great job that she did. it was -- it was a landmark. >> what did we know about her condition? this came as pretty abrupt news. had you been aware that she was hospitalized or that it had taken a turn for the worse? >> i heard about the same time you did. i've, unfortunately, just been sitting here trying to write an obitua obituary. it's hard to put into words all of the things she meant and did to the industry and people that watched her. >> she was also a political activist, very active in charity. specifically when it came to the causes of animal rights. we have some reaction that's coming in on twitter. of course, twitter, the first place anyone looks to when news like this breaks. larry king sending a tweet.
obviously, larry king interviewing her many times over the years. mary tyler moore was a dear friend and a truly great person, a fighter. rest in peace. alan, obviously, this is -- the oscars are coming up. they generally do quite an emotional tribute to all those we've lost in the past year. talk to me about what you think would be the highlights of her career and what should be remembered most about mary tyler moore. >> well, she did get that oscar nomination for "ordinary people" in the early '80s and i'm sure she'll be featured in that memb memorium reel at oscars. she did dick van dyke, and lou grant, phyllis, all of which she was an executive producer on. you know, "the mary tyler moore show" made sure to bring people into the writer's room. it was also behind the scenes setting up a lot of really
influential careers. and then mary had a bunch of different comeback vehicles over the years. she never went a. she was always in the spotlight, always with that same energy, that same twinkle. you know, you think about the theme song to "the mary tyler moore show," the opening line, who can turn the world on with their smile. that's awfully prump shus to say about anybody but it was an understatement when it came to mary tyler moore. >> you can't help but smile when you look at photos of her, especially that statue waving her hat in the air. that's an image just seared into the american collective brain. thank you so much for being with us. good luck on writing your obituary. mary tyler moore has passed away at the age of 80. now back to other breaking news. donald trump has taken the podium at the department of homeland security. remember, he's just signed two executive actions on immigration and his border wall. let's take a listen.
>> thank you. [ applause ] >> that's so nice. thank you. first, i want to congratulate secretary john kelly and his wife kathleen. where is kathleen? she's here somewhere john brings the skills, the leadership, the experience, strength, and definitely that determination that you have to have to get the job done and to get it done correctly. he will deliver for you. he will deliver for the country, he will deliver for the american people like you've never seen before. [ applause ]
>> with the acting administrator of fema and we discussed the terrible storms that struck the southeastern united states. our nation sends its thoughts and prayers to everyone impacted by this incredible tragedy. i've instructed fema to do all it can to help those affected. we've helped mississippi and others are rapidly on their way. so, fema's done an incredible job of speed. and they need speed. homeland security is in the business of saving lives, and ma mandate will guide our actions. the department of homeland security has many, many different divisions.
but one of the most important missions of dhs is its law enforcement mission. this is a law enforcement agency. [ applause ] >> but for too long your office's agents haven't been around to properly do their jobs. you know that? you know that, right? absolutely. but that's all about to change. and i'm very happy about it. you're very happy about it. from here on out, i'm asking all of you to eor the laws of the united states of america. they will be enforced and enforced strongly. [ applause ]
because people are surprised to hear that we do not need new laws. we will work within the existing system and framework. we are going to restore the rule of law in the united states. before we go any further, i want to recognize the i.c.e. and border patrol officers in this room today and to honor their service and not just because they unanimously endorsed me for president. that helps. but that's not the only reason. i also want to acknowledge two individuals, playing very, very important role going forward. i'd brandon,