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out of our country, out of the united states, and it goes right into mexico. they have to stop it. we have to stop it. we are going to save lives on both sides of the border. and we also understand that a strong and healthy economy in mexico is very good for the united states. very, very good. we want that to happen. by working together, safe borders and economic cooperation, i truly believe we can enhance the relation between our two nations, to a degree not seen before, certainly, in a very, very long time. i think our relationship with mexico is going to get better. here's a brief summary of what actions are contained in my executive orders. >> the secretary of homeland security working with myself and
my staff will begin immediate construction of a border wall. [ applause ] >> you folks know how badly needed it is. as a help but badly needed. this will also help mexico by deterring illegal immigration from central america and by disrupting violent cartel networks. as i've said repeatedly to the country, we are going to get the bad ones out, the criminals, and the drug deals and gangs and gang members and cartel leaders. the day is over when they can stay in our country and wreak havoc. we are going to get them out and get them out fast. and john kelly is going to lead that way. [ applause ]
also order also does the following. ends the policy of catch and release at the border. requires other countries to take back their criminals. they will take them back. cracks down on sanctuary cities. empowers i.c.e. officers to target and remove those who pose a threat to public safety. calls for the hiring of another 5,000 border patrol officers. calls for the tripling the number of i.c.e. officers. [ applause [ you do an incredible job, but you need help. you need more. creates an office of homeland security dedicated to supporting
the victims of illegal immigrant crime. [ applause ] for years the media has largely ignored the stories of americans and lawful residents victimized by open borders. to all of those hurting out there, i repeat to you these words. we hear you, we see you, and you will never, ever be ignored again. [ applause ] as i travel the kurngts i had the chance to get to know mothers who have lost their children to violence spilling over the border. i want to thank the remembrance project. such incredible people, for giving these families a voice.
they're called angel moms for good reason. because they are a voice to protect all of america's children. their children have not died in vein, believe me. [ applause ] pundits talk about how enforcing immigration laws can separate illegal immigrant families. but the families they don't talk about are the families of americans. forever separated from the people they love. they don't talk about that, ever. as your president, i have no higher duty than to protect the lives of the american people. [ applause ]
first, these families lost their loved ones. then they endured a system that ignored them while at the same time constantly rewarding those who broke the law. for these families it's been one injustice after another. but that all turns around beginning today. [ applause ] we are joined here this afternoon by parents whose children were horribly killed by individuals living here illegally. i will now read these parents' names and ask them to stand. many have become friends of mine over the last two years and have supported me so dearly, and i appreciate it. mary ann mendoza, who lost her
son, police sergeant brandon mendoza. fred and his son james who lost billy. billy was fred's son and james' brother. billy's wife, natali, was also killed by an illegal immigrant. somebody that should never, ever have been here. laura wilkerson, who lost her 17-year-old son. beautiful josh. josh was special. where's laura? good. laura. thank you.
carrie ruiz and alicia ruiz who lost their young daughter, felicia. thank you. beautiful felicia. thank you very much. thank you. steven ronabeck who lost his 21-year-old son, grant. thank you, steven. and we are have many others with us from remembrance and other groups. these are incredible people that endured so much. and i just want to thank everybody for being here. very, very special people. thank you. nothing can ever make their pain go away, but i want you to know, your children will not have lost their lives for no reason. they've set this incredible goal for so many.
these were grashgts young people. they will always be remembered. always. we will never forget them. and to the parents and loved ones, you kept the flame of justice alive with your activism. keep it going. now together we will save thousands and thousands of lives. when it comes to public safety, there is no place for politics. no republicans, no democrats, just citizens and good citizens. we want safe communities and we demand safe communities for everyone. we want respect. we want great schools. we want dignity and equality for
everyone. and i will be a president, i promise you, for everyone. we will bridge our divisions, heal our wounds and unify our country. and if we do that, if we work together, then there is nothing we cannot achieve as americans. the future is limitless. good luck to our new and brilliant leader at dhs, general john kelly. thank you. god bless you. and god bless america. congratulations to john. [ applause [ . >> president trump speaking although the department of homeland security with the vice president, talking about a
couple of executive orders that he has just signed regarding immigration, regarding the construction of a border wall. also want to note, i'm kate snow here in new york, picking up our coverage. i want to the snow another major story breaking this hour. that is the passing of mary tyler moore at the age of 80. she passed away with friends and her husband of 33 years. a statement from her long-time representative says that mary will be remembered as a fearless visionary who turned the world on with her smile. we will be talking a lot about mary tyler moore this hour. a wonderful actress. but let's begin where we just began at the department of homeland security and the white house. my colleague, kristen welker has been following all the latest there. kristen, we just heard president trump talking about the actions he took today. i know we've just -- i was just looking through the content of these executive orders that he has signed. walk us through what it really means. what has he done with the stroke of a pen. >> reporter: well, he's
directing pre-existing funds with the department of homeland security to jump start the construction of that border wall, which is, of course, one of his signature campaign promises. you just heard him there make the argument that this move is going to save lives, jobs and money. and you heard that very personal plea he made when he paid tribute to those who have lost their lives at the hands of people who have come into this country, who are undocumented criminals. so, the focus really on those who are criminals. of course, from his perspective, making the border more secure. this is an incredible controversial policy he's putting into place. there are still a number of questions around it relating to the cost. he says mexico ultimately is going to pay. mexico insists it is not going to pay. the broader question is, will he need more appropriations? that would require congressional approval. this is an incredible expensive project, kate, more than $6 million to build just one portion of one mile of this border wall. so, still a lot of unanswered
questions. he also directed homeland security to focus on removing undocumented immigrants who are here who have criminal records and to crack down on those sanctuary cities. trying to put some campaign promises into action. these are controversial campaign promises, though, kate, so the reaction has been mixed. >> on the sanctuary cities element, i was just reading this order he signed, it's pretty specific. they're saying sanctuary jurisdictions across the united states willfully violate federal law. these are places all over the country that have taken policies to try and welcome immigrants, whether documented or not documented. what are they withholding? what are they using as the stick, the punishment, if cities remain sanctuary cities? >> reporter: well, they'll not be able to get federal funding. this is another campaign issue, kate. this is something he talked about repeatedly on the campaign trail and highlighted people who live in sanctuary cities, who
have been the victim of crimes there. so, he's trying to really put some of his hard-line stances on immigration into practice. the question is, how will it play out? how effective will it be. >> and how will he need the support of congress. thank you so much. with all of this news this afternoon, let's go straight to gadi schwartz because he's down in the area that's going to be most impacted by this new border wall. he's at the border down of nogales, arizona. there's already a fence where you are. i know you've been out talking to folks, the folks that live there, what are they saying about this idea that the wall is coming? >> reporter: a lot of that may change after what we just heard from president donald trump. a lot of what he just said in regard to specific issues, in regards to helping dismantle cartels, which he seemed to promise to do just now when it comes to deporting felons or possibly criminals with violent records. also when it comes to restoring
a lot of the law and order in this area. all of those things are things that people on both sides of this issue can agree could bring some progress. when it comes to the implementation, that remains to be seen. here in nogales, there's a lot of skepticism when it comes to politicians. we were talking to people on the other side of the border fence a little while ago. we were at a bus stop. we were asking them what they thought. they said, who's going to pay for this? they know donald trump has said in the past that mexico is going to pay for this wall. mexico has said that they are not going to pay for this wall. and the mexican we were talking to were saying, why should we pay for this wall we don't want when we have stayed here in mexico, trying to make our country more stable? obviously, there is some ramifications when it comes to the renegotiation of nafta. but you just heard donald trump talking about how he may try to
invest in the mexican economy. very, very light on the specifics. interesting take to hear what he was saying, but that's something we'll be asking a lot of people on both sides of the border. >> gadi, we'll let you talk to more folks now that we've heard from the president. appreciate it. from a different perspective, i want to hear from our latin policy perspective from heritage think tank. >> good afternoon. >> let's talk about what we just heard from president trump. let's start with the border wall. you saw our correspondent, gadi schwartz, down at the border. a lot of folks down there skeptical about this. do you think president trump is headed in the right direction when he says, this is what we need, our number one priority, get that wall up? >> i think trump's first america strategy, right, this is like the core of it. ensuring america's safety. and i think our allies should be reassured by that because mexico recognizes the utility of walls
and recognizes the utility of border security. if we look at what they're doing along their border with guatemala, they're largely stemming the flow of unlawful migration from central america and they're doing a great job at that. >> on the other hand, there are sections of the border where gadi has been, where other of our correspondents have been, where there really -- people that live there say we don't really need a wall. there's not much illegal immigration coming over. it's lower than in years. that's what people are telling us that live there. is it an expense maybe this country doesn't need right now? >> well, i think we need to separate the issue of the border from immigration, right? because the border and having an effective and secure border doesn't just stop unlawful migrants. it stops unlawful commodities coming to the country, illegal narcotics, the drug business is obviously something that's booming and that's destabilized various cities throughout the united states and many of them are border cities. that's an issue that needs to be
resolved. that's something that president trump has an obligation to do something about. >> let's talk about the sanctuary cities. i was reading from the executive order. they say they'll strip federal grant money for any city that continues to be a so-called sanctuary city or give sanctuary to people that are undocumented. those cities have argued the reason they put policies in place is because they want people who are working members of the community who might be undocumented to be a part of the community and not to feel threatened, and to feel like they can call the police if they need to call the police. they can be part of helping stop crime what's wrong with the idea of sanctuary cities? >> well, i think the focus of the sanctuary city policy is not to go after, not to penalize the many hard working families here in this country. >> right. >> that are working, that are contributing many of their tax dollars.
that's not who -- that's who is this is targeting. . looks to penalize those in this country unlawfully and who are violent criminals. we remember what happened last year in san francisco. president trump was recognizing many of the families who have been harmed by this violence. i think that's something that any reasonable person should be able to recognize. we should not want people in this country who are going to be committing crimes against our own citizens and against their own people as well. >> factually, as far as polling, people on both sides of the aisle agree with that statement. nobody wants criminals to remain in the country. i guess i'm asking about the sanctuary cities because in this order, they're saying they're going to withhold federal grants from any city that does not -- that cannot faithfully execute the immigration laws of the united states. i'm reading right from the order. that means not just getting rid of criminals, but enforcing all laws and going after people who might have families, who might be working but are illegally
here. are you okay with that? >> i think logically we need to assume that we want our domestic -- our local municipality, whether it's state, county or city level to follow the laws of the federal government. when they don't and when they explicitly and outright say we're going to disobey a federal order, disobey our federal law, there's a problem. and i think the trump administration has an obligation to do something about that. >> nice to have your thoughts with us today, your perspective. thanks so much. >> good afternoon. >> you, too. we do go back to that breaking news now. that is that tv legend mary tyler moore has died at the age of 80 years old. it pains me to even say that. my colleague has a look back on her amazing life. >> will you marry me? >> reporter: most people know her from tv. >> say, mary -- >> reporter: mary tyler moore's two major sitcom roles are emblematic that the image of women changed between the late
1960s '70s. laura petteri from the old dick van dyke show, a stay-at-home mom who brought her own special spunk to the screen. ♪ >> reporter: and mary richards, the career woman of "the mary tyler moore show." born in brooklyn, new york, in 1936, moore was the oldest child of an alcoholic mother and a distant father. she found refuge in dance lessons. >> i'm happy. >> reporter: those lessons led to her first job out of high school, appearing in appliance commercials at the hotpoint elf. at 17 moore married richard meeker, an older salesman and lost her job when she became pregnant at 18, with her only son richie. >> it's no use. >> reporter: she returned to tv as a guest star on various series until she landed the role of sam, the sultry unseen answering service operator on "richard diamond private detective" in 1957.
>> grab your pen. >> reporter: her big break came in 1961 when she became dick van dyke's tv wife for the next five years. >> oh! >> reporter: she returned to tv in 1970 "the mary tyler moore show" produced by her own company, mtm, led by her second husband, grant tinker. as mary richards, moore broke the mold for women in sitcoms. she was over 30, employed and actually spent the night with a man. >> why are you here? >> well, i haven't seen you in a month or so, and -- i -- oh, no. oh, you didn't think that the only reason that i was here was to -- >> reporter: instead of a family, she had coworkers and friends. ♪ it's a long way to temporary >> reporter: in seven years, the series won a record 29 emmys. in the late '70s, moore turned to the stage and the big screen. first as a suicidal paraplegic
in "who's life is it anyway" on broadway, followed by her academy award nominated performance as repressed mother in the movie "ordinary people." but moore's private life was in turmoil. >> about the early '70s that i began to drink to the point where i thought about it as a solution. >> reporter: her son died of an accidental gunshot wound. and her 17-year marriage to tinker ended a year later. in 1984 moore checked herself into the betty ford center. >> that's a battle that is never won. you constantly say, i am a recovering alcoholic. >> reporter: now sober, moore played lead and supporting roles on television and in movies for new audiences. >> i want you to consider my age and ask yourself how i maintain this. >> reporter: moore, who suffered from diabetes for most of her adult life was a spokesperson for the juvenile diabetes foundation and an animal rights activist. for fans, she was in the words
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this morning in other news, president trump tweeting he's going to ask for a major investigation into voter fraud. his spokesman sean spicer was pre pressed about what that will look like after trump made unsubstantiated claims that 3 to 5 million people voted in this election illegally and claims that's why he lost the election. spicer now changing his tone, saying they want a broad review of electoral issues and they're not just concerned about the 2016 election. joining me now, msnbc chief legal correspondent ari melber is with me, and also david becker, who is executive director at the center for election innovation and research. david, i want to start with you because you've kind of found yourself in the center of this storm because yesterday at the white house sean spicer said, well, the president believes that there was fraud based on a number of studies and research. then he cited one, or he seemed to sort of half cite one that you wrote.
a 2012 pew brief. start by explaining the misunderstandings. i know you think it's been misinterruptmi misinterpreted and what did you really find in 2012? >> we were looking to quantify what election officials found in keeping up with the american electorate. this leads to voter records that are out of date. election officials around the country, republicans and democrats, were looking for a solution to this problem and we were doing our best to quantify what the problem was. that's what the whole point of the study was. we were trying to figure out how many voter records are out of date because people move and somewhat because people die. and then -- we didn't look at voter fraud at all. we weren't looking to identify whether any of those out of date voter records resulted in illegal votes. >> in other words, whether those people who had faulty records, whether they actually went and then voted using those records, you didn't look at that. >> right. what happens normally, millions of people move in any given year. of course, none of them think to
change their volter registration in their old state. they register to vote in their new state. but if you asked a million people if they called their old state to cancel voter registration, they would say no. it's hard for election officials to keep up with the mobility of the american people. >> to put a point on it, you did not conclude 3 to 5 million people voted illegally in the election? >> i don't know how anyone could conclude that. that's been study after study that's looked at the existence of voter fraud. there have been the bush justice department looked at this, the federal election answer commission looked at this, many republican and democratic secretaries of state looked at this and tried to prosecute it. they find voter fraud exists but in small levels, just a handful of cases in any given election. >> what's confusing is this distinction between voter fraud and actual voting versus
registration and record keeping. >> yeah, one way to think about it, if you're throwing a party and you make a list of 100 rsvps, that tells you who you think might be coming to the party. it doesn't tell if you put wrong names on there who's crashing the party. the fact you might write mickey mouse is coming to your party does not as a logical matter that mickey mouse is coming to your party. that's the issue. david becker's report, which i read once at the time and found myself rereading, does show one out of eight of these registrations is wrong in some way because of what he was talking about, moving, death and other i guess regularities. it doesn't say anything about the potential crimes. "the washington post" crunch the the numbers and found four cases, four case of in-person voter fraud. >> in this past election, 2016? >> correct. >> to that issue, the president tweeted this morning again that he wants an investigation. we heard more about it from sean
spicer. but one of the things he said is we need to look at people registered in multiple states, which you mentioned a minute ago. ironically today the sarasota county supervision of election says steve ban was removed today from county voting rolls because he was also registered in new york city. so, this does happen. as you said a moment ago, people forget to remove themselves from voter rolls. is there some issue that merits further investigation? in other words, is the president right that there is something we ought to look into? >> there's been extensive investigation of this already. we have a much better sense of what's going on with the voter roles right now. as you pointed out, this does happen. is steve bannon committing voter fraud by being on two voter rolls in two different states? absolutely not. he moved, registered, he cast a ballot in the new state, and there's just no really good way
for florida to clean that old record off the list. >> what about -- sorry. go ahead. >> i was going to say, there are more and more states, more than ever before using better data, better technology and sharing data between the states to try to get a better handle on that. we actually have a much better voter list today than we've ever had before. >> to both of you, there is this idea that people who are here and undocumented, ari, could go and potentially get a driver's license or some kind of identification. in some states i think it is possible for someone undocumented to pass a driver's test and then go and use that driver's license, that identification, to volt. is that possible? does that -- do we know if that happens? >> it's always possible to try to commit any kind of identity fraud. the reason, though, why voter fraud is so rare is people trying to avoid detection by authorities have every reason not to go do extra activities, like vote. very little to do so. the notion that going in california in person to
illegally vote is the thing you would want to risk getting kicked out of the country for. i think the larger point that can be get lost is the united states government has a white house spokesperson and president were deliberately misleading. they were called out. in november they mischaracterized the report. sean spicer, given that history and knowing it's wrong, again mischaracterized it yesterday. these are great conversations to have. secretaries of state have had conversations for a long time about record keeping. the misallegation, 3 to 5 million. we'll scrutinize it. >> david, quickly, we're out of time, but would you meet with the president if he wanted to get your advice and opinions on all of this? >> absolutely. anyone in the federal government, anyone in the states and i work with election officials around the states and people committed to making elections better in the united states, absolutely. if their efforts to bring this about in a nonpartisan way, not designed to benefit one party or the other but designed to improve the election experience for all americans, that's a good
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with a giant cucumber and knocked him down. mr. fe fi fo would always pick himself up. [ laughing ] dust himself off and say, i hurt. if only we could deal with it as simple and bravery and honestly as mr. fe fi fo. what did chuckles ask in return? not much. in his own words, a little song, a little seltzer. >> we're all laughing in the studio watching that clip. remember that? that was the funeral for chuckles the clown on "the mary tyler moore show." joining me on the phone is eric davis, managing editor at
fandango. obviously, it's a sad day. it's the loss of a legend, mary tyler moore. we're laughing because that's what she did, right? she made us laugh. >> you know, she made us laugh, but she was also so instrumental and iconic in what she did for women. only a few days after the women's march. i was in park city, utah, for sundance and i experienced something that was pretty incredible. you know, i think that when we look back at her, and i look at "the mary tyler moore show," and this is a show that at its time, i mean, she's playing a single woman who's taking charge in a news room, she's going on the pill, which is stuff that nobody was talking about then. and you look behind the scenes on "the mary tyler moore show," in 25 of 75 writers were women. these were women that were crafting this show, speaking to the country. they were saying, you can be -- you can take charge of your own life, can you get out of the kitchen, you can have your own job, and even in the roles of -- the subsequent roles she took on after that in these tv movies,
she was always playing women that took charge of the families, that took charge of their lives. "in first you cry" in 1978 she plays a woman who has an mastectomy. she's nominated for an oscar for "ordinary people" in 1980, i believe, when she's taking charge of her family when her son pass as way. always a woman taking charge of her own life. that's how i remember mary tyler moore. >> it's so nice to have you with us on the phone, eric. i remember her that way as well, as a woman journalist in this field, i was a little kid when she was doing "the mary tyler moore show." she was an icon for a lot of us in this field in particular. joining us aalicia quarrels, who has spoken with mary tyler moore in the past, interviewed her in the past. reflect back on that. what was she like to speak with and what struck you the most about her? >> well, i think, kate, to your point being a woman in this field of journalism, she was a
trail blazer of women's liberalization. you have that sense of gravitas when i interviewed her but what i remember was her smile. she was kind. she was kind to me, the camera person, the sound person. to me that speaks volumes when you recognize everybody in the room. she was passionate. she was an animal rights activist, spokesperson for diabetes. her strength came out in interviews. >> you mentioned juvenile diabetes. i don't know if people remember, that is one of her larger roles in advocacy, right? >> it is. she was 33 when she was diagnosed. she said when she was diagnosed, she thought, my god, i'm going to have to spend my life on an alarm chair. there wasn't a lot of progression in treating the disease. she was instrumental, particularly with children and moving the ball forward. she was a survivor.
she was molested when she was a young girl. her son passed away. he died of a gunshot wound, self-inflicted accidentally. she lost a sister to around overdose, she struggled with alcoholicism and valium addiction. she was always a fighter. >> thanks for sharing that. i really appreciate it. joining me also on the phone "people" magazine senior writer steve helling is with us as well. steve, i was trying to remember the last time we saw her in a public way. she hasn't been quite as visible in recent years. but speak about what you feel her impact was, not just on the industry, but on all of us. >> yes. when it comes to the industry especially, she was a businesswoman with mtm enterprises. she didn't just -- you know, people think of her as an actress, which of course she was, but she also had a very good head for business. and, you know, this was a time where you didn't see very many women who really took control of their empire.
you know, we've seen it with lucille ball but we didn't see it very much in the '70s. now it's kind of common place, but it wasn't back then. she was fearless. she was unafraid to take these risks. you know, you look at her and see how beautiful she was. that isn't what it was about. she was willing to make herself look silly if she needed to for a laugh. she was willing to do whatever it took to put out a really great product, which was her splendid tv show. >> thank you for sharing for a moment. really appreciate it. we're trying to reach out to people who knew her well. we're going to continue to follow and cover this story of mary tyler moore's death, untimely death,le 80 years old today. but we're also going to be coming back from a break and going back to president trump's busy day today, his moves on immigration and comments on chicago. runs on intel?
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moore at the age of 80. we've been trying to speak with people who knew her well. and i'm happy to say that on the phone right now we have someone who knew her very well, carl reiner, many of our viewers will know, was the creator, actor, writer, director, the man behind "the dick van dyke show" on which mary tyler moore starred as well. can you hear me all right? >> yes, i can. your thoughts today when you heard the news? >> sad, sad, sad, sad. 880 years is not enough for somebody. i'm 94 and i still want to go and i'm sure she did, too. it's a sad, sad day for all of us who knew her and all the people who loved her. >> it's a sad day for all of us, for the viewers, too. have you had a chance to speak with her family? have you had a chance to speak with her recently? >> yes, i spoke with her husband -- no, i spoke with her husband. it's been a few days ago when he told me she was going. and i -- i -- i told him about
my wife going and i said -- he said she's out. and i said, just whisper in her ear that it's all right to go. he thanked me for that. i don't know whether she heard him or not, but we did the same with my wife. sad thing is, my wife did hear, but -- anyway, that's another story. >> oh, that's so sad to hear. and did you know for a while that she was not well? >> yes, i had known that for a long while. she was -- for many, many, many, maybe a year or so, she was, you know, not aware of her surroundings. that's what i heard. >> well, let's talk about happier times, could we? we're looking at wonderful film right now from back in the day, from "the dick van dyke show" and just tell me what like. such a spark, no? >> i always talk about the first time she came into my office because i had already seen "23
girls and none were quite right. i told the executive producer, i don't know what i'm looking for but i'll know when i see her. one day after seeing about 23 girls, this girl, who reluctantly came to audition because she had failed twice that week auditioning for things, she walked into the office and she walked in on those legs and that smile and that hair. and i gave her a page to read. i said, would you read this? she read the first line and i said this before, i heard a ping in her voice that absolutely tickled me. i made my hand into a claw, like, you know, machines that pick up candy and toys, and i picked the top of her head up and i said, come with me. i took her down the hall and i said, look, i found her and i
delivered her. >> you found her. >> people are calling her ground-breaking. they're talking a lot in the last couple of hours about the roles she played in terms women and advancing really advancing the cause of women who work. did you see that? >> oh my god, when she did the mary tyler moore show -- when she threw her hat in the air, we knew that women were here to stay. freedom, freedom. to be women and took me here -- in most cases superior parts. that was ground breaking show. and all the women in the world owe her a debt of gratitude for her breaking it open for many, many people. >> yeah, we all owe her a debt for that. carl, do you remember the last time you saw her when she was well? do you remember -- i mean, one more story? >> some very, very big event. she suffered diabetes and her
eyesight was failing. and she looked lovely, but i went up to her, and wearing tuxedos and gowns, and she didn't recognize me. until i spoke. we were nose to nose, and we talked, but she couldn't see me. and it was very sad. we hugged and talked a little bit, but then sat at the table. it was sad that i realized she could not see. >> yeah, we had heard those reports. and you know, she's a private person, and we don't want to intrude on the family at all. but i think there is concern about, you know, what happened in these last few years. do you think she -- there was something beyond diabetes going on? >> well, i don't know. but i know that far long time she was out of it. she was not communicative, and then she was in hospices and it was very, very sad. >> so what are your -- i want to let you go, carl, but final thoughts. give us something to hold on to
because we're sad today about this. >> the final thought is i always go back to the thing that makes everybody happy. then when they did soft shoe dances on our show i smiled from ear to nose to ear. i mean, that was the loveliest moments of all of the shows. any time we can get a reason for them to dance, oh, you're beautiful, you're whatever the song was, and see them tap dancing was -- those are my favorite moments of watching her and dick cohort. >> carl ryaner, thank you for leaving us with a smiler. remembering his good friend, mary tyler moore. thank you so much. we'll be right back. on your medicare part d prescriptions. at walgreens we make it easy for you to seize the day by helping you get more out of life and medicare part d.
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woman that we saw on tv when we were little who wasn't a wife and a mom. and now that those aren't amazing things to be, but to see that beautiful, sassy, butt-kicking career woman from when we were little -- >> stop, you're going to make my cry. the dow topped 20,000 for the first time ever today. closing bell is going to be coming up and we're going to pause for that. tell us what's going on. >> it is extraordinary. if i think about it, clearly there was a trump rally since the election. things have petered out and we've been sitting here for a month. whether you like him or not, whether he offends you or not, and this is not about normalizing donald trump, every time we say this, how could you normalize him, guess what, the market is moving up with this pro-business president. he showed up monday morning and the first meeting he had at 9:00 a.m. was with ten manufacturing ceos. and he said to them, i want to lower your taxes, regulation, i want to help you do great
things. now it remains to be seen whether or not those things are going to happen, but i spoke to people in that room who said, this is an optimism and a commitment we haven't seen. and it's not just manufacturing. think about banking for a moment. you're coming off an elizabeth warren era where bankers thought i don't know what my regulatory overhang is. now they can hang. it's industrial, technology -- >> and the automakers. the unions. which politically is, you know, not always a republican thing to do. >> this is going to put people back to work, we think, but just think about the industry. so you've got basic materials. with the big infrastructure spend, you need equipment. you're going to need labor. you're going to need lumber, steel, and like he said with the pipeline yesterday, the keystone pipeline, by the way, you're going to use u.s.-made pipeline. that's a positive. we have gotten positive economic data which we have to attribute to the last administration, but it is this -- it it's this
clarity for the markets, clarity is like oxygen. and donald trump is signing on the dotted line and the market likes it. >> as we wait for the closing bell here. we have our 401 ks and that's what we care about, what are the predictions right now? does it continue past 20,000 and go, go, go, or do we know? >> right now that's the positive sentiment. one of the beautiful things about the market is people can sell. it is liquid, these are public stocks. but there's no reason to jerk around to do anything. you have the sentiment, a pro-business sentiment, mark fields before he walked out of the white house and said this is great for manufacturing. for the american worker, for the economy. this is a hold on and see moment. and it's, you know, with the exception of health care which does have some questions around it because we don't know specifically what will happen with the repeal of obamacare, across the board, this is a positive. >> has there been any downside? anything taking a hit or mostly positives. >> it's mostly positive. there are companies like a
walmart, you know, that are a bit more sluggish because you're saying well, donald trump and his commitment to american-made goods. across the board, people have this idea whether it's small business people that can get loans now that aren't going to have obamacare and they're thinking, maybe i can grow my business. it's a positive sentiment. people like it, that can always turn though. >> is 20,000 just sort of an artificial we were all waiting if that are big number? does it really matter the 20,000 mark? >> i mean listen, these are holiday markers. but it is a big one. it is a historic moment. and remember, we've said it's been a very positive economy. last january, donald trump said -- excuse me, president obama said anyone who says the economy is not on a positive incline is pedaling lies. the economy was doing well, but it was sluggish. this is the first time we're seeing something robust. maybe a bully will create a bull market. get that. >> i got it. let's pause and see if we can hear the bell or did we miss it? just about. just about, you've got tom farley. president of the new york stock
exchange clapping his hands. we're going to have more companies go nbl year certainly than in the last three years and it is about regulation being pulled back. and there is the bell right on cue. stephanie, thank you so much. >> we're going to throw our hats in the air. and we're going to toss it over to steve kornacki who picks up from here. >> hey steve. >> hey kate. >> good afternoon, everybody. and you just saw it there, history being made going back there to the new york stock exchange for the first time ever, it crossed 20,000 today. that closing bell just ringing out, and that number finishing up over 20,000. there it is on your screen. a gain of over 155 points for the day. they're still calculating the exact number, you can see safely over 20,000 for the first time ever. you hear the cheers. this is a historic level for the stock market. let's bring in now cnbc's ko courtney reagan. it's been