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president of the new york stock exchange clapping his hands. we're going to have more companies go nbl year certainly than in the last three years and it is about regulation being pulled back. and there is the bell right on cue. stephanie, thank you so much. >> we're going to throw our hats in the air. and we're going to toss it over to steve kornacki who picks up from here. >> hey steve. >> hey kate. >> good afternoon, everybody. and you just saw it there, history being made going back there to the new york stock exchange for the first time ever, it crossed 20,000 today. that closing bell just ringing out, and that number finishing up over 20,000. there it is on your screen. a gain of over 155 points for the day. they're still calculating the exact number, you can see safely over 20,000 for the first time ever. you hear the cheers. this is a historic level for the stock market. let's bring in now cnbc's ko courtney reagan. it's been flirting for a while.
how do we explain what's been going on. the last few months this big jump. some people say it's because of the election. >> yeah, that's right. so if you take a look at where we were on november 4th. so four days before the election. the dow actually closed under 18,000. so since then, since the election, the dow has been up more than 9% and a lot of folks are calling this a trump rally. and this is why. you've got now a president who's very pro business and has talked a lot of measures that he thinks will help propel the economy. and so that's why you started to see stocks creep higher right after the election. but then, we did actually stall out for about a month. now that he is in office and he spent three full business days in office monday, tuesday, wednesday, he signed a number of executive orders. he's met with auto ceos, manufacturing ceos, the market is believing that those campaign promises about things like spending on infrastructure and cutting corporate tax rates may actually start to come true.
so for a while, it was a hope, then it became a show me story and now he's beginning to show the market. and that's why you've begun to see the stock market creep back up. however, we've also gotten some earnings reports, ibm reported earnings that beat wall street's expectations and that was one of the stocks that was among the higher stocks today in the dow. it's one of those dow components. so there's fundamentals at play, but there's also what's going on in washington. and investors sort of have to have split eyes one on each. >> all right. courtney reagan. keeping an eye on again, the historic moment here on wall street. closing over 20,000 for the first time ever. courtney, thank you for that. it is a very busy afternoon here. a lot of news that we are following. including sad news just in the last few hours that we've learned about mary tyler moore. she has passed away at the age of 80. obviously an american icon. her smile lighting up living rooms across the country for decades. she was in not one, but two hit
sitcoms that have stood the test of time. she was nominated for an oscar for a movie. she was a political activist. that is television show, this is a career, this is a life that will echo through the ages. mary tyler moore passing away at the age of 80. much more on her life and legacy and the reaction pouring in right now throughout the hour. also larry king. he was her friend. he has some thoughts. he's going to join us in a few minutes as well. stay tuned. but in the meantime also a lot going on in the world of politics. he had a major announcement. >> the secretary of homeland security working with myself and my staff will begin immediate construction of a border wall. [ applause ] >> again, just in the last hour, that was donald trump at the department of homeland security. he announced new executive
orders to kick off the effort to build a wall along the southern border with mexico. of course that was one of donald trump's signature campaign promises from the very beginning. he said he would build a wall. he also said that mexico would pay for that wall. but now, trump signing this measure with no guarantee from mexico that that's going to happen. in fact, so far, mexico has said, that is not going to happen. we're not going to pay for it. we are getting some hints though of what donald trump might have in mind when it comes to that question. also, trump announcing an executive order that's designed to strengthen enforcement of policy within the united states. this one dealing with so-called sanctuary cities. there is a lot to digest here. we're going to start with kristin welker, she is at the white house. kristen, we have two things going on here. one the wall, two, we got something on sanctuary cities. take us through what the president just did. >> reporter: so first to the wall, president trump signed an executive order directing the
federal government to start the process of constructing that wall and finding the funds to do it, the preexisting funds. what's interesting is he doesn't really get into specifically how they will find the funds and how much it's going to cost. estimates put it anywhere from 8 to several tens of billions of. so this is quite expensive project. and the question of course becomes will he need additional funding for this? and that would of course have to come from congress. so a lot of questions remain about how the wall is actually going to be paid for, but the white house insisting, including during the briefing today, press secretary sean spooiser insisting that mexico's going to pay for the wall that they will in some way pay back the united states. some people are going to see that as breaking a bit with his campaign rhetoric with if not in word in the spirit what have he was saying. of course he said, mexico's going to pay for this wall. well now the reality is it looks like the american tax payers are going to foot the initial bill with a big question mark.
over whether they're going to be reimbursed. the president's going to meet with enrique nieto in the coming weeks. we heard him take a new line of argument about why this would be beneficial for mexico. trump saying this would benefit the mexican economy and ultimately that would improve security for mexico as well as the united states. so that might be part of the argument that he makes to the mexican president when he comes to visit. in terms of sanctuary cities. president trump trying to crack down on so-called snkts cities which harbor immigrants saying that he will withhold federal grants and federal funding from those cities. so, a lot here to unpack. the question is, how will it work? the president indicating in an interview with abc that he's going to get construction going immediately maybe within the next several months. steve. >> kristin welker at the white house. very busy news day here in these early days of the trump
presidency. krist kristin, thanks for that. as she was just saying, the opening question remains after this executive order from president trump. who is paying for the wall? mexico has said in the past as kristin just told you they have no plans to do that. today, trump though telling abc news that he can guarantee there will be some form of reimbursement. this is what he had to say. >> are you going to direct u.s. funds to pay for this wall? will american tax payers pay for the wall? >> ultimately, it'll come out of what's happening with mexico. we're going to be starting those negotiations relatively soon. and we will be in a form reimbursed by mexico -- >> so they'll pay us back? >> absolutely. 100%. >> so the american tax payer will pay for the wall at first? >> all it is, we'll be reimbursed at a later day from whatever transaction we make from mexico. >> mexico's president said in recent days that mexico absolutely will not pay adding that it goes against our dignity as a country and dignity as mexicans. he says -- >> he has to say that. he has to say that.
but i'm just telling you, there will be a payment, it will be in a form, perhaps a complicated form, and you have to understand, what i'm doing is good for the united states. it's also going to be good for mexico. >> all right. to talk through all of this, i have congressman from both sides of the aisle, chris collins from new york, and from arizona. chris collins, excuse me, republican retreat in philadelphia. he's also the congressional l liaison for the trump transaction team and now the trump presidency. actually, i wanted to start with you with the sort of a more basic question on this. i know this is something this theme donald trump struck in the campaign about building this wall was something democrats didn't like, something his opponents didn't like, but he did campaign on it. he did win the election. he did win your home state, arizona. is it something now where you look around and say, i'm going to work with him on construction of this? >> absolutely not. and this isn't popular just with democrats.
i mean, even republicans such as flake, senator flake and mccain have said that this is a nonstarter. the wall is a ridiculous idea. it's not going to change our integration issues. >> let me follow up quickly and i want to bring in congressman collins in. it distracts from reform. that's not what donald trump was running on in the campaign. didn't the result of the election take that off the table? at least for the foreseeable future? >> the result of the electoral college made that decision. let's be clear that his position was unpopular with the 2.8 million people that voted over
donald trump despite all of z his conspiracy theories. >> congressman, let me ask you about this issue of mexico paying for it. you just heard that clip there. donald trump on abc news basically saying hey this could end up being complicated. reimbursed at a later date from a transaction we will make. we got some indications in this executive order, maybe they're looking at money that's currently being sent to mexico with the potential to siphon some of it off and say hey, this is going to the wall instead he made a very clear, very blunt promise throughout the campaign. mexico pays for it. this idea of maybe redirecting money that u.s. is already
sending to mexico, does that really count as mexico paying for it? >> well, let's start with steve, the obvious, let's say a county puts up a bridge. they pay for it. they contract it out, it's in the budget, they pay for it, and then they apply back say to the federal highway funds to get reimbursed. of course the united states is going to build the wall. hence we're going to be contracting the folks. they're going to have a contract with the u.s. government. we have to pay those bills. and i accept what president trump is saying, that he'll be negotiating, one way or the other, to get the moneys back. here in philadelphia, we were just told we're going to be working on a supplemental appropriation in the next two months relative to the wall. so people have said where's the money going to come from? the speaker did tell us this afternoon we will be looking at a supplemental appropriation some time this spring to do this. and then we'll rely on president trump as he said, there's many different ways, a dollar is fundable one way or the other.
the money is coming back, but initially we need to appropriate the funds, we need to set the contracts, we need to pay the bills and personally i have all the faith there is in our president will be reimbursed one way or the other. >> and let me follow up with you on something your colleague was just say, he's saying look the solution in his view is still comprehensive immigration reform, which would work towards some sort of path to citizenship or legal status for those who are law-abiding and in this country. this is something that the republican house speaker, paul ryan, has supported in the past. from your standpoint, republicans run the house. you're warning the republicans in the house, how do you view that issue of reform? is that dead right now after this election or is that something given the paul ryan supporter, is that still open? >> not at all. very much still open. i have a lot of dairy farmers in western new york. we all know that quite a few of those workers are undocumented. some have been here 20 years raising a family. the president was very clear.
secure our borders, number one. building the wall is part of that. number two, get the criminal element out of the united states. and he is working on that. and he has said there is then plenty of time for us to deal with those workers who are here, perhaps on the dairy farms or the crop farmers and the lake. maybe been here for decades. we will deal with them and i would interpret that myself in the compassionate way, he is a very compassionate person. so i'm not, you know, there's not a deportation force. all the fears the democrats have tried to talk about. none of that is coming to. secure the borders, get rid of the criminal element and we will as americans as we always have deal in a compassionate way. they're not going to get citizenship. you know, the illegal -- certainly adults that came in here, republican conference will never grant citizenship, but legal work papers is another discussion for another day, and i believe the president will be open to that when that time comes, few months down the road. >> all right congressman chris
collins, republican at republican retreat. ruben from washington, thank you both for the time. appreciate that. >> thank you. again, a lot going on in the world of politics in this first full week of the trump presidency. we are going to get to much more throughout the hour. again, returning to the other top news this afternoon. this very sad news, the passing of legendary actress mary tyler moore. she dialled today at the age of 80. now, mary tyler moore had recently been hospitalized in connecticut. we are told that she passed away in the company of her family. and her friends. she's a six-time emmy award winner, she was part of two of the most iconic sitcoms in television history. in the early '60s she played a stay at home mom on the dick van dyke show. you're seeing clips right now. then, rising even to greater heights as the feisty single working woman in her own comedy, the mary tyler moore show. a big hit on cbs in the 1970s. she also was in the movie "ordinary people" in 1981.
nominated for an academy aword for that. here is miguel al ma gear with a luck at the life of mary tyler moore. >> laura, will you her me? >> reporter: most know her from tv. mary tyler moore's two major sitcom roles are emblematic of the way it changes between the early '60s and the '70s. there was laura from the old dick van dyke show. she brought her own special brand of spunk to the screen. and mary richards, the career woman of the "mary tyler moore show." born in brooklyn, new york, in 1936, moore was the oldest child of an politic mother and distance father. she found refuge in dance lessons. those led to her first job out of high school. appearing in appliance commercials as the hot point
elf. at 17, moore married richard mooeker, an older salesman then lost her job when she became pregnant at 18 with her only son, richie. >> it's no use, i'm just fed up. >> reporter: she returned to tv as a guest star on various series until she landed the role of sam, the sultry unscene answering service operator on richard diamond private detective in 1957. her big break came in 1961 when she became dick van dyke's tv wife for the next five years. >> oh. >> reporter: she returned to tv in 1970, "the mary tyler moore show" produced by her own company, mtm led by her second husband, grant tinker. as mary richards, she broke the role for women in sitcoms. she was over 30, employs and spent the night with a man. >> why are you here? >> well, i haven't seen you in a month or so.
and -- oh no, you didn't think the only reason i was here was to -- >> reporter: and instead of a family, she had coworkers and friends. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: in seven years, the series won a record 29 emmies. in the late '70s, moore turned to the stage and the big screen. first as a suicidal paraplegic in "whose life is it anyway" on broadway. >> don't try do change me. >> reporter: followed by the repressed mother in the missouri "ordinary people." but moore's private life was in turmoil. >> about the early '70s i began to drink to the point where i thought about it as a solution. >> reporter: her son died of an accidental gunshot wound. and her 17 year marriage to tinker ended a year later. in 1984, moore checked herself into the betty ford center. >> that's a battle that is never
won. you constantly say i am a recovering alcoholic. >> reporter: now sober, moore played lead in supporting roles on television and in movies for new audiences. >> i want you to consider my age and ask yourself how i maintain this. >> reporter: moore, who suffered from diabetes for most of her adult life was a spokesperson for the animal rights activist. for fans, she was in the words of her theme song, someone who could turn the world on with her smile. nbc news, los angeles. >> and mary tyler moore's good friend larry king paying tribute to her this afternoon tweeting, she was a truly great person and a fighter. larry king on mary tyler moore and joining me by phone right now is larry king. larry, thanks for joining us, obviously on such a sad occasion. first, just talk -- you knew her personally. she was a friend. we all knew her through television. tell us about the mary tyler
moore that you knew. >> what you saw on tv was what she was. that's that smile, that ingratiating personality, that sense of humor. that was on and off the air. that was mary tyler moore. she had a world of friends, she was a caring person. underrated actress. terrific on stage, terrific in television, terrific in movies. and the public loved her. she was also a pioneer. she was ahead of her time, you know, women didn't star on many television shows. when mary tyler moore came along with the shows was a brilliant show, set in minneapolis, she carved her own niche and then finally i joined her, i was in the juvenile diabetes foundation supported her immensely in that fight against diabetes. she i guess eventually took it's toll. she lived a lot longer than type
one diabetics live. she lost her sight and she wasn't well the last two, three years, but she was a hell of a lady. >> i was just looking too, you know, the mary tyler moore show ran i think for seven seasons on cbs in the '70s. i think it was 28 or 29 emmies. >> yeah. >> and also, three spin-offs. three separate shows came out of that show. just take us back to the impact of -- talk if you would the impact that show had just on american culture just at that tiemd. >> spin-offs, the highest rated show at it's time. i don't know if it's been topped was when she gets married. do you remember that? you're too young. >> valerie harper, right? i saw the reruns on nick at night, i can tell you that. >> yeah. that was some night when rota gets married, other stations could have gone dark. and rota was a spin-off and
there were two other spin-offs. people could get the betty white who is now 95 was on the mtm show all those years. and what a cast that was. anybody who's worked in television who knew that so well. everybody like the newsman, the phony anchor. the writer who didn't want to be there. lou, lou grant, what a show he had spun off. it was amazing. her career was amazing. she was indelible. she was part of the fabric of the american culture. we'll never see her life again. >> all right. larry king, we appreciate you taking a few minutes to help us remember mary tyler moore. >> any time. happy to do it, thanks. >> i appreciate that. and yes, as larry king said, in the '70s, you could talk about watching those episodes live and the whole country would standstill for some of them. and of course, for another
generation it came later. mary tyler moore you'd see it on nick at night, syndication still. a whole new generation too grew up very familiar with that show and those characters. we will have much more on the life and legacy of mary tyler moore throughout the hour. also going to speak to a long time collaborators. she was the primary director on the mary tyler moore show along with many other well-known sitcoms. >> this isn't the first date this has ever happened to you, is it? >> yes, as a matter of fact, this is a first. out. >> maybe you haven't dated much. >> haven't dated much? i have been dating since i was 17. i'm 37. that's two decades of dating. don't tell me i haven't dated much. i go out on an average two times a week. that's 100 times, 20 years, that's, 2,000 dates.
president trump continuing to push his unsupported claim of voter fraud during the november election. trump tweeting this morning that quote, i will be asking for a major investigation into voter fraud. including those registered to vote in two states. those who are illegal and even though registered to vote who are dead. and many for a long time. depending on results, we will strengthen up voting procedure. donald trump putting that out this morning. now, house minority leader nancy pelosi had this to say about
what trump is claiming during her weekly press briefing. >> for a person who is newly elected president of the united states to be so insecure as to declare that he's now the president, he's in the white house and saying i won the popular vote in three to five million americans voted illegally in our country. to suggest and to undermine the integrity of our voting system is really strange. i frankly feel very sad about the president making this claim. i felt sorry for him. >> now this controversy over voting fraud could overshadow a busy start to trump's presidency. president signing executive actions clearing the way for construction of the key stone xl and dakota access pipelines easing regulations relating to the affordable care act, withdrawing from the transpacific partnership trade deal, and freezing hiring by the federal government. trump's to do list includes action on restricting the
numbers of refugees. also, whether to cancel president obama's executive action shielding young children who came to the u.s. illegally from being deported. again, that is something that could be coming, we're still not sure. also, the choice of a supreme court nominee. trump's indicated next week might be when he announces that. joining us now to talk about this former texas republican kay hutcheson and former chair howard dean, also msnbc contributor. thanks to both of you for jo joining us. senator, the republicans in the house are having their retreat right now. we're getting a little bit of reporting out that. this from the casey hunt, she's there and saying there have been a lot of questions and some confusion about trump and what he's saying about voter fraud. and the actions he's talking about. also may be forthcoming. just how uneasy congressional
republicans are with trump as president. no secret during the campaign, not every republican was on board. it's taken some adjusting, but i wonder, we're getting a sense right now, finally, of what exactly donald trump is going to be doing in the early part of his presidency. how much unity do you expect there to be in the republican party with these items he's now pushing? >> i think that things are going to have to settle out. and determine the priorities. and i think that -- i think there will be unity among republicans. i think certainly the house and senate are much more used to working together and will. and i think working with the president is going to be very important. and i think that many of the things that he's doing are keeping the promises he made. he did win the election. and i think some of the things that he is saying are in disagreement among republicans. and i think that will come out. but i think right now there's a give and take.
and i think people are kind of trying to decide where the priorities are and try to move together on things on which they agree first, and foremost. >> and howard dean, let many ask you about this flurry of early activity. one thing that strikes me, there's a lot that's being thrown into the air here and taking the form of executive actions in some cases, one thing that jumps out at me, some of these things he's doing are very popular when you look at the polls. there's this executive order on the keystone pipeline, talked about that in the campaign, most recent number, 57% supporting that. also this question apparently there may be something coming on syrian refugees trying to keep syrian refugees from coming into the country. certainly controversial, but 60% of people in a gallop poll agree with trump's position, we should not be taking in syrian refugees. this is a tough thing for democrats to grapple with. some of the areas where they have issues with donald trump, he does seem to have tapped into
something in the general public. >> one thing he didn't on his favorite media, his daughter tiffany is registered in two states. his senior advisor and white supremacist steve bannon is registered in two states, and secretary of the treasury is registered in two states to vote. my first question is, do you think donald trump intends to prosecute his daughter, his future secretary of the treasury, and his senior advisor in the white house? another example of him talking before he thinks. or before he knows what he's talking about. to get to one of more serious issues, and i talked about this label the last night on last word, one thing that the president does not have the power to do and there's no question about this is to appropriate money. there are a lot of executive orders. many of them take money. the congress is going to have to speak to that and if they don't, there's going to be a lawsuit. and i think there are going to be a lot of lawsuits against the
government if they run without appropriating it. >> you're sit setting the stage for legal fights on some of the fronts, but the question i'm asking is -- not on every one of these issues, but on some of these issues, has he tapped into something where the public is going to have his back? and that's going to factor into the political debate. democrats have objected to many democrats, not all, but the obama administration certainly objected to the keystone xl pipeline. he made it the center piece in the public at least by polls. seems to be on his side on this. >> look, i have not -- i don't do too much about the pipelines, i don't know what his powers are. i get your general point is doesn't he tap into things that public likes? probably, yes. i mean, that's what populists do. the question is, what could he actually do about a governing is harder than just talking or tweeting. and he hasn't given any demonstration yet that he actually knows thousand govern. he talks a lot. he tweets a lot. now he's got to go through the
process that the -- of the united states set up many, many years ago. so that all of the power didn't get concentrated in the presidency. so we've heard a lot of talk. we've heard a lot of executive orders, we haven't seen what is really going to happen. what congress is going to do with their share of this power which is to appropriate the money. >> and senator hutcheson, this issue trump has been raising in sean spooiser addressed in his briefing yesterday. trump believing apparent lay it millions of votes were cast illegally in the election last year no evidence, no proof. there's nothing to even suggest that's out there on the record. in any way. how should republicans be handling that? is this something where republicans should be standing up and proactively saying they disagree with him on this? what would your advice be to republicans in washington right now? >> well, i think the president certainly has the right to assure or have an investigation on his own that the voting is -- that are voting processes are
sound and if he has some indication or some evidence that they aren't that that is an investigation that he can ask one of his departments to do. but i don't sense that republicans in congress or the senate have heard of any illegal voting, and so, i think that will -- it'll solve itself. i think the more important things are, as you said, things like the keystone pipeline which is something that every state approved, that all the environmental studies said would not harm the environment, in fact, it would actually help the environment because it will take carbons out of the air that are going to be put in because we have to use trucks instead of pipelines now. and it was all the way to the president and the president obama said no. and now president trump is saying yes. and it's going to be good for our alliance with canada, our friend to the north.
it's going to be good for jobs, and good for a goal that i think most americans share that we should be energy independent. so that's one of the things that i think he's done that is substantive and is popular. >> i hear you on that, but you said that you thought this issue with the trump and his belief about voter fraud being committed would take of itself. is there an obligation on the part of republicans which basically the leader of their party, the president of the united states says millions of votes were cast illegally in the election. and he offers no proof. he offers no evidence. and obviously that has got to in a lot of people's minds out there just place basic seeds of doubt about hey is this a fair system? is this a fair election? is there an obligation if he's offering proof to stand up and object to that? >> well, you know, steve, i think that we have hashed out and rehashed this election too much already. i think there is a sensitivity on the part of the president
that there has been an effort to delegitimize the election and his election. i don't think that anyone has delegitimized the fact that he is the president. he has been sworn in. eni think many republicans are saying we haven't heard of any fraud, if there is, come forward, you know, if it deserves an investigation, but i don't think that we've evolved so much. and i think most people are ready to say, he's our president and here are the issues that we want to address. here are the issues he is addressing that he promised he would. and let's see where we can come together on those things. >> all right. kay bailey hutcheson and howard dean, thanks for the time. appreciate it. >> thank you, steve. squeeze in a quick break and still ahead, we will have much more on the life and the legacy of actress mary tyler moore. also the reaction that is pouring in now from around the globe next. i'm going to sfeek one of her long time colleagues. this is the man who directed
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again, sad news coming in this afternoon. legendary actress mary tyler moore passing away today at the age of 80. she was best known for her roles in two of television's most loved sitcoms of all time. the dick van dyke show in the '60s, and the mary tyler moore show in the 1970s. her role in that show helping to change the way women were depicted on television. and joining me now on the phone, emmy award winning director of the many, many episodes i should say of the mary tyler moore show, someone who knew mary tyler moore very well. jay sandrich. thank you for taking a few minutes and joining us. i guess, let me start by asking this idea of a sitcom based on a single woman in the city.
playing that kind of character on a prime time sitcom. that was so radical. so revolutionary. take us back to the early day that was show and just what a big change that was for the television world. >> well, thanks, steve. you know, i have to give more credit to the writers for that. because what happened is, grant tinker who was her husband, who was an amazing man, and the writers got together and went back to new york to sort of give an idea for the a show they wanted to do. and it got changed. cbs didn't particularly like their idea. they came back and created this type of a film. and so, you know, i don't know what mary had to do with whether it was just the she accepted what the writers came up with. >> and obviously it's a show, great social significance again
in 1970s you had, you know, sort of the women's liberation movement was front and center. the equal rights amendment push, there was a lot going on with politics having to do with equality and women's rights. and this show probably tapped into that. to a great degree, but also, when i go back and watch the episodes of the show, the other thing that just stands out to me is just how funny it was. how great the writing was and how great the acting was. >> well, the actors were so good. we really have to credit jim and -- jim brooks and allen burns. they were two of the most wonderful comedy writers. and we really had very little problems with the writing. i mean, mary was such a wonderful, wonderful person to work with. she always would like the actor on the show, the fact that it was mtm didn't seem to have anything to do with it. she was an actress. and if she had a line that she
wanted to change, she'd change it. and then, you know, we accept it or we wouldn't, but that was never a problem. she was just great to work with. >> and how much was her character? how much was mary richards that we all knew through television like the actual mary tyler moore? >> well, that's a hard question to ask because when the character was -- for a lot of times, you know, she was sort of taken over by her boss, ted asner. in real life she wasn't like that. i think the character probably taught a lot of things that mary thought about. she had, you know, let's face it, she was very successful. and she had a wonderful husband and she wasn't like the character, probably a lot of the
way the character thought. this is just one of the things that mary thought about. >> interesting. jay sandrich -- >> i'm sorry -- >> go ahead. what were you going to say? >> she was very successful woman. and was well aware of it. >> all right. jay sandrich -- >> by the way, let me just say, we were unaware of how much the show meant in those days. it was, it was nice that it was successful. but we -- you didn't hear much. you know, we knew that people liked it, but we didn't know that she was helping change the way american women were looked at. >> yeah, it's been 47 years since the mary tyler moore show first debuted almost half a century. you can still see it on television today. people will still talk about it. certainly it is a show that has stood the test of time. and jay sandrich was the director of many of those episodes. many classic moments in television history. he was a a marriage part of. thank you for joining pus. >> thank you steve, have a good day. >> quick break here.
all right. again some very, very sad news from the world of entertainment. we've been following this afternoon. the legendary actress mary tyler moore passing away at the age of 80. wie just getting this wor in the last few hours. lots of reaction pouring in. not just from the entertainment world, but really from all walks of life. and we're joined now on the phone by emmy award winning actor bob newhard. real honor to talk to you. i appreciate you joining us. i regret that the circumstances, but we're talking this hour all about mary tyler moore and her legacy. her show in the 1970s, i think it was back to back with your show, the bob newhard show on cbs, saturday nights in the 1970s. just want to get your reaction to her career and to what she meant. >> yeah, the line-up -- used to
call it murder's row which i was lucky enough to be apart of it. all of the family was on at 8:00, then mash was on at 8:30, mary tyler moore at 9:00, we were at 9:30, and carroll burnett was on at 10:00. and people just stayed home. you know, it was like when middly was on and lucie was on. people just -- they didn't interrupt dinner. they just don't. as i say, i was lucky enough to be one of those people who was part of that line-up. >> and we're talking too about how revolutionary the idea was of a show about a single woman, she moved to minneapolis, a career woman, a single woman, it sounds now almost silly i guess to younger people maybe that that was controversial or radical, but talk a little bit in 1970 what that meant to be on television. >> yeah, it was, steve, you're right. it was -- it's on now. and i think the original -- i
had heard the original premise was a relationship mary had and that broke up the relationship broke up and she moved to minneapolis to start a new life, but at that time, the networks weren't ready to recognize relationships. so she would just moving to another time. but you're right, it was a complete -- as i've said in other interviews. the woman wasn't an appendage of her husband and boyfriend, she was a person. and i think that's what mary's show did. and influence dash large number of women. i think it altered their way of thinking of themselves. and i am a person.
i have value, and yes, at the time -- well, i'll tell you how revolutionary our show was. susan and i slept in the same bed. now that had never been allowed on television. mary and dick van dyke had twin beds. lucie and des si had twin beds and not living in different cities. so, i mean, that was considered revolutionary. at that time. >> and you know, her show, your show, the bob newhard show, also your show in the '80s, those are some of my all-time favorite television shows. you're one of my all-time favorite comedians, and i wonder when you look at mary tyler moore, the show i was saying in our last segment. beyond anything else, it was just a funny show. what was the key to mary tyler moore's comedy would you say?
>> you know, i was telling a story -- it's funny, my wife and i were watching on the night of, you know, that hbo series that was like eight or ten episodes with john to the best of your recollection urro and wonderful actors. and we were watching and i kept saying to my wife, there was a female prosecuting attorney. and her voice just -- i said, i know that voice. i know -- who is that? and so we looked it up and her name is jeanne, and we looked up her biography and she was a daughter of lane may. mike and lane. and she had almost the identical voice of lane. and that's what i i think is going to live on after mary.
mary, hearing mary's voice and female actresses and comedy forever. i mean, she was -- she was that big an influence. >> bob newhard, thank you for taking a few minutes. it's a great honor to be joined by you. >> thank you, that's very nice of you. >> and joining us now on the phone, we have minnesota senator amy, of course, don't need to tell you if you've ever seen the mary tyler moore show, minnesota is where it was set. mary richards, a reporter out there in the twin cities. amy, senator from minnesota joins us now. and senator, i think you were -- you were growing up when mary tyler moore was one of the nation's top shows set in your home state about really a trail blazing woman. i wondered if you could talk about that experience of growing up with this show being such a force in your home state. >> well, thanks, steve for thinking of us in minnesota.
because actually we have a statue, a bronze statue to mary tyler moore that for years was on the mall which was the exact location where she tossed her hat. and that is how much it means to our state. i think number one, growing up here as a woman who was out in the working world and that was something at the time there weren't a lot of shows about people like that. and then two, she just had this great sense of humor. i'll never forget the chuckles, the clown episode where the entire segment is about her telling everyone don't make fun of the fact that chuckles the clown died dressed as a peanut when an elephant ate him in a parade. then at the very end, she's at the funeral and she is the one that bursts out laughing when the minister is talking about how chuckles parished. and chose episodes are things that you just can't forget. and she filled our hearts with a lot of joy and laughter. and our state, even though she did not come from our state. we call her our own. >> we're showing on the screen,
i don't know if you can see, but we are showing that episode right now. chuckles the clown episode. that's one of the most famous of any sitcom in television history. i remember reading behind the scenes story about that episode. one of the people involved was a writer or director said if we were going to laugh at somebody's death and make that okay or the circumstances, it had to be mary tyler moore who broke down laughing like that. that was, that was who the audience would be able to relate to most. it's funny that you said her connection to minnesota, you know, we're so used to sitcoms are based in new york, l.a., sometimes they're based in chicago, but minnesota, it's one of those places it doesn't get much attention, but mary tyler moore certainly put it on the map. >> she did. and she would have vikings hats on and they would have this very cool apartment and showed snow outside. and so, it really felt like they were in our town and in our state. which we truly appreciated. >> all right. senator amy, thanks for taking a
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all right again, busy afternoon, sad afternoon, the world learning of the passing of legendary actress mary tyler moore at the age of 80. we learned of that just a few hours ago. he passed away surrounded by family and friends in connecticut. of course, the star of the mary tyler moore show of dick van dyke in the '60s, ordinary people, she was nominated for an oscar for that. passing away at the age of 80. also very busy day in politics. the first week of the trump administration continues. donald trump appearing at the department of homeland security this afternoon.
announced two new executive orders. this dealing with immigration, one on the wall wichb a signature campaign promise and the other dealing with sanctuary cities. more executive orders probable the rest of this week. that is going to do it for this hour. i'm steve kornacki here in new york and mtp daily starts right now. if it's wednesday, a tale of two president trumps is on full display. tonight, the two donald trumps. the one who's keeping his promises, and the one who's vanity is getting in the way of his message. plus the wall. president trump takes the first step to making good on his biggest campaign promise. >> a nation without borders is not a nation. beginning today, the united states of america gets back control of it's borders. and eroding climb change. is the