tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC January 25, 2017 5:00pm-6:01pm PST
thank you so much for giving us your time tonight. carl reiner. that's "hardball" for now. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> the secretary of homeland security working with myself and my staff will begin immediate construction of a border wall. >> the president announces the building of his wall, threatens to take over an american city, orders a major investigation into the election he won and now wants to return to torture as american policy. >> does it work? does torture work? and the answer was yes. absolutely. >> tonight inside the actions and the outrage over america's first cable news president. plus, the mayor of new york, bill de blasio, on his plans to fight the president's executive order to end sanctuary cities. is the president already engaging in the same behavior that may have cost hillary the
election? a trump property that just doubled its prices. and as the resist movement drops its banner over the white house, will democrats who support the president face a tea party-like backlash? when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. six days into donald trump's administration, this is what we know to be true. over the past 24 hours, the president of the united states has been making policy both by executive order and by tweet based on right wing headlines, conspiracy theories and false information. now americans are coming face to face with the reality of a commander-in-chief who seems incapable of separating empirical fact from political spin and rumor, who subsists on a limited media diet of cable news morning and night and who, according to his own aides, is consumed by personal slights and perceived injuries, unable to lett a single thing go. this man is now the most powerful person in the world. the "new york times" reports today that president trump rises
before 6:00 a.m., watches television tuned to a cable channel first in the residence and later in a small dining room in the west wing and looks through the morning newspapers and though his meetings begin at 9:00 a.m., earlier than they used to, which significantly curtails his television time. "mr. trump, who does not read books, is able to end his evening with plenty of television." we saw this play out last night after a certain cable news channel aired a segment on violent crime in chicago. >> the violence in chicago getting worse, if you can believe it. first 23 days of this year, 42 homicides in the windy city. up 24% from last year. the mayor of chicago has no clue, the governor of illinois doesn't want to do anything about it. so can the feds go in and stop this? >> can the feds go in and stop this? just over an hour later, the president of the united states took to twitter sending out the same statistics used in the fox news segment. "if chicago doesn't fix the o l
horrible carnage going on, i will send in the feds." we should note those numbers are slightly higher than the official chicago police department statistics which site 182 shootings and 38 homicides so far this year. like many people, the president appears to have been watching cable news and tweeting along. unlike many people, he is the president of the united states. and he spent the first few days of his presidency focused not on national security or creating jobs but on his own coverage. the "times" maggie haberman tweeted today that "trump had less than four hours of sleep on saturday, the day after the inauguration when he woke up and at about 7:00 a.m. started calling advisers and aides angry about the appelbaum tweet by the national parks accusing media of being out to get him." referring to a since-deleted retweet comparing the crowd size at barack obama's inauguration to trump's. haberman wrote "trump's worst impulse control is when he's tired or overstretched or in uncertain situations. all three took place saturday. trump is unable to let go of
grievance or perceived slight and he is genuinely transfixed by people thinking his election isn't legit." that fixation explains why trump continues to blame non-existent voter fraud for his three million vote loss in the popular vote, reportedly spending the first 10 minutes of his very first meets with congressional leaders repeating that false claim. as the "washington post's" robert costa tweeted. "in spite of winning the electoral college, trump sees the popular vote as a rating that wasn't fairly won by hillary rodham clinton and he won't let that view go." after tweeting he'll launch an investigation into supposed voter fraud threatening to "strengthen up voting procedures" president trump explained his thinking in an interview today with abc news. >> you have people that are registered who are dead, who are illegals, who are in two states. you have people registered in two states. they're registered in new york and new jersey. they vote twice. there are millions of votes, in my opinion. >> important point, adding extra people to the voting roles is
not the same thing as documented evidence of widespread voter fraud. it's easy to keep dead people from voting and a bunch of people register in two places because they move around or have more than one home. for instance the president's own daughter tiffany who is registered to vote in new york and pennsylvania and his controversial chief strategist steve bannon registered in new york and also florida. but trump was quite clear about the political dimension of his so-called investigation. >> i will say this. of those votes cast, none of them come to me. none of them come to me. they would all be for the other side. none of them come to me. when you look at the people that are registered dead, two states, in some cases maybe three states we have a lot to look into. >> the ramification of those comments coming from the president of the united states are striking. "the state of affairs is the president is lying about voter fraud to justify a crackdown on people who didn't vote for him." i'm joined by congressman luis
gutierrez from illinois. congressman, the president appears to believe sincerely a profoundly untrue thing which is that millions of people cast illegal votes in the election. what's your response to that? >> look. he wants to punish those that didn't vote for him. he does in the various ways so california, new york, chicago. you know, he goes from voter fraud because what he's doing is demonizing once again because he says it's the illegal, as illegal aliens. it's not a stretch, we know where he's going. he wants to demonize a community of people. he started his campaign when he walked in trump tower down to the podium and said, you know, mexicans are murderers, rapists and drug dealers and i'm going to get rid of them and build a waltham. 's what he does. then he politicizes. think about that. he did it at the wall at the cia
of slain personnel at the cia, then there are children murdered on the streets of chicago so he tweets about the carnage and that he's going to said the feds in. did he send any money for extra police officers? we could use that for training. did he say -- oh, he's sending to the border more border patrol agents. mr. president, we could use more atf agents, more fbi agents in the city of chicago so we can take the guns off our street but, yes, you're with the nra. the nra that endorsed him that he is so part of his relationship, you know what that nra did? it crippled the loss of the city of chicago in the courts so that we cannot keep guns off our streets. >> let me ask you this. do you feel as a member of congress do you feel that were the president to order say the department of justice to issue to have an official investigation to voter fraud, do you feel -- and this is an important point about institutional integrity -- do you feel you could trust the integrity of a report such as that? >> i couldn't.
not senator sessions, not attorney general sessions. sorry, i was born in 1953. separate but equal was the law of the land. women were in the kitchen, gays were in the closet, immigrants were quiet and blacks did not have equal rights. that's where sessions wants to take us. he never believed in voter rights. you heard the testimony. >> that's a pretty intense thing to say about a member of the u.s. senate, that he wants to keep women in the kitchen and he wants blacks not to have equal rights. what's your evidence for that? >> my evidence far is the very testimony that came before when he came before his confirmation at the senate. the fact that he voted against the women's against violence act, he voted against it. i mean he has never been on the side of women. he's never been on the side of t the immigrants. he is the worst of the worst in the senate when it comes to xenophobia or hatred. he has never voted affirmatively to ever fix our broken immigration system and he has
always been very vitriolic and very vicious when it comes to his preferences to immigrant community. that is the record. >> i want to share with you some reporting about the origin of the president's view, incorrect view, about the existence of massive voter fraud. we should be -- completely incorrect view. there's a "new york times" report that he has a golfer friend who's a german citizen who regale add story to the president which he told to congressional leaders at the beginning of his first meeting with congressional leadership in which this german golfing friend mr. langer said there were voters who did not look as if they should be allowed to vote. i'm not sure what that phrase means. mr. trump said according to the staff members but they were nonetheless permitted to cast protestant provisional ballots. the president threw out the names of latin american countries where the voters might have come from. this german golfer wasn't a citizen and then it turns out maybe it wasn't this german golfier but it was a story of a friend he knew. what duds that say to you as the origin for the president's
information on the decisions he's making? >> it says he picks and chooses the facts as they are conditioned to his view. we already know that there are, right, other kinds of facts so in his world, right, you can have an alternative fact to a triangle has three angles or two plus two is four because there's always an alternative fact to that chl. no, there are fact facts, he re to accept them. he makes things up. you heard him. he said he had a great plan for isis. he told us he knew more than the generals did and then he said he had a secret plan but couldn't tell us about it. then when he said i got something better than obamacare. now he says the mexicans are going to pay for the wall and when he was asked how he was going to get them to pay he said it's going to be complicated. this is the donald trump that is the president of the united states but that we must combat at every, every moment. >> congressman luis gutierrez
from the great state of chicago, thank you very much, appreciate it. joining me, bob garfield, editor at large of the media post. bob, i saw you at the press briefing in the white house today. your impressions of what's transpired today. >> first, did you like my question? >> i didn't hear it. >> i didn't get a question. what's your question, i've already forgotten it. >> what did you make of today? i mean, there has been an incredible sort of -- for someone who writes -- who covers the media and fundamentally covers truth and fiction and what's fact and not fact you have the president of the united states who seems wedded to things that are manifestly untrue. >> yes, that is true. you know it's not just today. the situation is straightforward. it's not as loony-to tunes as t last few days but since saturday it's hard to know whether we're experiencing a very bad
da dali or a good george or well. there's double think. there are alternate facts there. it's just a real air to everything taking place based on the fact that the president is living in either a sea of his intentional lies or some sort of fantasy land that is genuinely terrifying. in either case, government policy is being forged, mainly through executive order what the gop until a week ago called tyranny. they won the election and they get to -- elections have consequen consequences. he is acting out his version of reality in policy and lying his way through it. you know, chris, on saturday alone he lied about the size of
the crowd at his inauguration. he lied about the rift between him and the intelligence communities. even though he said nazis, he denied any rift. and for crying out loud, he denied the rain! he denied the rain! he said there was no rain on him. >> so you're using the word lie and that's a name that's appeared on the front page of the "new york times." here's what i would say. a lie means an intentional deception. it is not a lie if the president believes that five million people voted fraudulently as preposterous as that view is or the president believes that 1.5 million people showed up to the inauguration and all evidence and background reporting amongst his coterie of aides suggests that the president genuinely believes those things. >> yeah, well that's scary. i'm glad, then, that he's only watching cable news because imagine if he were watching par
normal activity what a mess we'd be in. i don't know which is more terrifying and potentially catastrophic, a president who has no respect for the truth or a president who doesn't understand the difference between truth and falsity, who thinks black is white and up is down. they're both ominous, are they not? >> sean spicer paraphrased that the default position of the press should be a disposition the president is telling the truth unless it can from proven otherwise which is the reverse of the -- >> it's exactly the reverse, yes. the default should be to question authority, to be suspicious of the assertions of the government, especially a government that has come out of the gate lying and creating a world of alternate facts.
>> is there a trap in the other direction? there have been stories that crossed our desk that we decided no, there's more to this story that there is an instinct to playthings up to maximal effect and to be everything negative about this administration that might later prove to check out not to be the case? >> well, there is a risk that your skepticism is impeached by actual events, right? but it's better to be skeptical than wrong than to be credulous and wrong. >> that's true. >> and i don't think the press has acquitted itself badly considering that president trump has described them as his enemy and has called them fundamentally dishonest and has made the further charge that they intentionally conspired to disparage him and question his
legitimacy as president. of course, that isn't the case but his press spokesman came out on saturday and made that allegati allegation and issued a threat -- a bit vague but a threat nonetheless -- that the press will be held accountable. well, that's scary. >> thank you for your time. >> thank you. up next, mayor bill de blasio joins me to talk about what president trump's executive order signed today to end "sanctuary cities" really does and why he says new york is ready to fight it. that's after this two-minute break.
are you going to direct u.s. funds to pay for this wall? will american taxpayers pay for the wall? >> ultimately it will come out of what's happening with mexico. we're going to be starting those negotiations relatively soon and we will be in a form reimbursed by mexico. >> so they'll pay us back? >> absolutely, 100%. >> so the american taxpayer will pay for the wall at first? >> all it is is we'll be
reimbursed at a later date from whatever transaction we make from mexico. today president trump signed executive orders including directing money as permitted by law to start building a physical wall on the u.s. southern border. something trump promised to do on the day he launched his campaign. it's not clear how much the wall will cost nor do we know how much he can get done without congressional approval. we should note, according to the texas tribune, none, not one, of the 38 texans in congress -- republicans and democrats -- offered a full-throated endorsement of a complete border wall. the other executive order trump signed today aims to take anxious against so called sanctuary cities and to increase enforcement on the immigration front. now those cities are essentially jurisdictions that don't turn residents over to immigration authorities in the course of providing public services and protecting public safety. according to the order, cities that do not comply in their regard with federal immigration agents "are not eligible to receive federal grants except as
deemed necessary for law enforcement purposes by the attorney general or the secretary." there are about 200 so-called sanctuary cities in red states and in blue. new york being the largest. moatbly when rudy giuliani, trusted confidante and friend of the president of the united states was mayor of new york he seemed to be at odds with trump's executive order saying in 1994 "if you come here, you work hard, you happen to be in an undocumented status, you're one of the people we want in this city. you ear somebody we want to protect." and joining me now is the mayor of new york city, mayor bill de blasio. great to have you here. let's start off with definitions because there's a lot of confusion. what, as the mayor of new york city in a strict legal sense, what does it mean that new york is a sanctuary city? >> i'm glad you're asking. i think the phrase has been misused in many ways and i think there's probably better ways to explain it. for us it's about protecting people in our city and it's about public safety in jeb because what it says is we have half a million people who are undocumented in new york city. half a million people.
and we need them to be protected and be protecting our communities, that means relationships between the police and community are paramount so the police do not, for example, if they learn someone is undocumented they don't turn that information over to the federal government. that's been the case for decades, including during rudy giuliani's mayoralty. that's one example of a city that respects all its residents including the undocumented. >> the logic being if i'm undocumented and i see a horrible crime being committed we want that person to call 911 and not fear that they would then have their status turned over to the federal government. >> we want everyone in the city to cooperate with the police and know that won't mean they get deported, taken away from their family. the police are first to tell you. i did a press conference earlier today with our police commissioner jimmy o o'neil, he said we need the community to
work with us, they have to know it won't hurt them. >> sean spicer made the argument that american taxpayers are essentially subsidizing cities like the one you represent while those cities break the law. what's wrong with that argument? >> i think sean spicer is missing a lot of things with that argument. first of all, new york city and new york state put more into the federal treasury than we get back. that's been proven for decades. so we have a big net gain on the federal treasury. second of all, our cities are our economic engines. new york city is one of the economic powerhouses of the united states of america. it's a city working and a half million people working in it all the time and contributing to it happen to be undocumented. there's 11 million or 12 million people here who are part of the economy. businesses all over the country have taken full advantage of their cheap labor. there's a lot of hypocrisy in this discussion. >> what about the law here? is it your opinion or general counsel's opinion that what was issued today in a legal sense is legal or will you challenge it? >> oh, we're ready to challenge for sure. if there is action taken under the executive order to take
funding away from new york city, we'll be in court an hour later to challenge it because we believe and any corporation counsel, zach carter, feels strongly, if you look at the order it's vague, many points could contradict each other. there's the point where they exempt law enforcement at the same time as the funding that would be cut off comes from justice department and homeland security would go to, obviously, in our case the nypd. they say everything has to be done in accordance with existing law. well, existing law does not allow for funding cutoffs broad brush. the supreme court decision in the sebelius case 2012, justice roberts said you cannot hold a gun, quote/unquote, hold a gun to the head of states and cities and take away their funding across the board for other purposes so the executive order is vague, contradictory in many ways and something we feel we can fight. >>. >> the politics of this, perhaps in a bizarre sense there's tangible harm that may be done but from a political sense it benefits the president of the united states to pick a fight with a bunch of big-city mayors
from blue cities. so here's donald trump and then mayor emanuel and bill de blasio are out there saying big mean president and he gets to use you as foils. what do you think of that? >> i think that is a great strategy if all you want to do is hang on to a narrow conservative and republican base. if you're talking about working with the whole country more and more, our country is being defined by our cities and metropolitan areas and it's the economic engine of our country more and more. you look at what people in this country believe beshd have immigration reform, believe we should make sense of the 11 or 12 million people among us. so it's a narrow strategy and i also think it's a bad policy obviously in terms of how it works. i want to show you one thing that's important here. this is a law in new york city. 170 categories of offenses, serious crimes, violent crimes that if someone commits these crimes and they're undocumented, we will work with the federal government right now before donald trump came along this was the law in new york city and we
will work to make sure those people are handed over to i.c.e. for deportation. if someone is undocumented and commits a crime, we will work with the federal government on this issue. if someone has a small amount of marijuana or ran through a stop sign and that's why they might be deported and have a family torn apart or a breadwinner taken away from their children, we're not going to do that. so we have a pretty balanced approach and the question is trying to figure out a solution. i said this to donald trump and i said this to jeff sessions when i met with donald trump, they were both together. i said here's the kind of thing that i could get at, that small number of undocumented immigrants who have done serious crimes and leave be the millions who are law abiding and contributing to our economy. >> mayor bill de blasio of new york city, thank you very much. >> thank you. still ahead, congressman elijah cummings appeared on tv and called on the president to reach out to him. apparently the president was watching.
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2016 but with a catch -- >> i get the thing and they're like, well, mr. president, for security reasons, there's a great phone, state-of-the-art, but it doesn't take pictures, you can't text, the phone doesn't work. [ laughter ] you know, you can't play your music on it. so basically it's like does your three-year-old have one of those play phones? >> security as in protection from hackers isn't the only reason a president needs a special phone. there is a law known as the presidential records act which mandates that non-personal communications involving the president are owned by the public, by we, the people, and must be archived and that includes electronic communications such as e-mails and tweets. that brings me to president trump. last night, the president sent out a pair of tweets that observers pointed out came from an android phone and today the "new york times" reported he still has "his old unsecured android phone." if trump is, in fact, using his old unsecured phone, it means, a, he potentially is violating
the law as we speak right now. remember, his texts and e-mails must be archived. and, b, he potentially doesn't have any security in his communications which are thus vulnerable to hackers and we've seen recent examples of how that could happen. meanwhile, "newsweek" reports senior trump administration staffers who are also subject to presidential records act, i should note, have active accounts on a republican national committee e-mail system which, according to u.s. intelligence, was hacked during the 2016 race. we asked the white house about this and got no response. now, this is the sort of thing that tends to get lost in a week where the president is defending torture and lying about voter fraud to name a couple examples but president trump now appears to be doing the very same thing that he lambasted hillary clinton for during the campaign. the thing that may well have cost hillary clinton the election. remember, the e-mail story was about secretary clinton simply using her private device, the one she had before she became secretary, to continue
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is watching and i would say to you president-elect i'd be happy to meet with you at any moment. to the president, i know you're watching so i'm looking forward to meeting with you. >> as we've been discussing, the best way to reach the president of the united states seems to be through cable news shows because short enoug sure enough, just a short moment after that show congressman elijah cummings got a call from president trump and i asked him how the conversation went. >> the president called me and said he wanted to meet with me with regard to the issue of prescription drugs. i had spoke to him on friday at the inaugural luncheon and told him that i was interested in that issue so i'm looking forward to meeting with him along with a few of my colleagues who had been working on that issue for many years. >> is it your position that on an issue like lowering the cost of prescription drugs or infrastructure, things that you substantively agree with that you can work with this president? is that your posture?
>> chris, my duty is to my constituents and the american people. the president is going to be presidenfor the next four years and so if there are things that i can work with them on, i'm going to do that. but where our values clash, you know, it's a whole different story. so i expect there will be some issues. tpp is one that i like his position on. he has said that he will not be touching medicare, medicaid and social security. those are things i'm interested in. my constituents need those programs very badly so i'm with him on that. but, for example, there was an order put out by the administration telling people not to be in contact with members of congress and when i found that out i was upset about it because in our committee, the government committee which i'm the top democrat we depend on whistle blowers and then we make
sure they are protected so i'm letting every whistle-blower out there know in government tonight that if you see fraud, waste, abuse, you see a problem, feel free to call me. >> the a.p. has just reported within just a little earlier that the epa cannot issue any signs of data unless it gets reviewed by political appointees. how does that strike you? >> i just think -- i need to see more but it seems chris to me that we're having what is the beginning of a chilling effect. when there is disagreement, for example, with regard to science, global warming and things of that nature and we've got people running around trying to save their files because they're worried they will be destroyed and i've talked to a number of employees who are simply fearful of not being able to do those
things that they have been dedicated to doing. that's chilling so i think that we have got to address that and the committee that would normally address that is my committee. but there's one other thing. people have to understand that 95% of what the president trump wants to do he has to have concern of congress so they've got to understand that they control their congressman and women so we had a tremendous march the other day and i applaud everybody that was there. over three million people but it can't stop there. but they have to show up at the town hall meetings, they got to show up make phone calls to their representatives and as i tell them, don't see me, i'm already on your side. see somebody who's nullifying my vote. >> on terms of nullifying votes, actually, the president tweeted
about ordering an investigation into what he, without any evidence and in the face of all contrary evidence, calls massive systemic vote fraud. what do you make of that and what does it mean about your ability about a president who seems to be basing policy decisions on fictitious information? >> well, chris, that is a very, very difficult problem. but, you know, i am so convinced -- i normally don't even argue this argument because there's basically no voter fraud. i don't argue against nonsense or something that's not accurate. and -- but what i am going to do when i do meet with the president is i'm going to remind him that there are probably hundreds of thousands of people who are not having -- their right to vote has been taken away from them improperly. i hear he's talking about broadening this so called investigation because it will take a few seconds to do his part of it.
i want him to do the part that addresses all the people being denied the right to vote and there are a whole lot of them. and the sad part is it's becoming baked in the cake. people assume the new normal is for people's right to vote to be suppressed and for people to wait in line for five hours after the voting booth closes that's not right and i'm going to do everything in my power to fight against it and hope that the president will join against me in asking speaker ryan to bring to the floor of the house a bill which will restore the voting right acts so it can have its full effect. >> congressman elijah cummings of maryland, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you, chris. ahead, the resistance as grass-roots opposition to trump picks up steam. could democrats working with the president face a backlash? plus, tonight's thing 1 thing 2 starts right after this break. ♪
. thing 1, it may be years before we get a concrete picture of how much donald trump's picture will be enriched by donald trump's presidency. some things are coming into fore cus. for instance, some of trump's foreign business partners got vip treatment during the inauguration. here's eric trump with one of the trump's business partners, an indonesian billionaire whose wife posted this video, according to "mother jones," from the lockdown inauguration route on the parade day. "mother jones" also spotted this one, of the president with the son of hussein sajwani, a dubai-based real estate developer who has licensed trumps name with "congratulations, mr. president, the world is looking forward to a lucrative eight years ahead." bloomberg reports the ceo of trump hotels has plans for expansion. there are 26 major metropolitan areas in the u.s. and we're in five, i don't see any reason we couldn't be in all of them. there's yet another concrete
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you know the president is particularly fond of mar-a-lago, the palm beach resort owned by the trump organization which trump refers to as his winter white house where he apparently wrote his inauguration with what appears to be a sharpie. today mar-a-lago got a big boost. cnbc reporting its membership fee doubled to $200,000. the managing director of the club told the "new york times" the change in the initiation fee had been planned last fall before the election but he acknowledged "we have had a sudden surge in requests." of course they have because members can now get potential access to the president of the united states when he visits his winter white house. in fact, the president told the "times" he was thinking of making a weekend trip to mar-a-lago as early as february 3 just to get away from it all. as frequent guests norm eisen, former obama ethics lawyer told
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protest trump's executive orders on immigration and hundreds of anti-trump protesters took to the streets not advance of the president's visit to the city of brotherly love tomorrow. you can see them there. other protests are in the works including plans for an upcoming scientists' march on washington. here's the thing, peaceful mass demonstrations like these are means to an end. building power, power to pressure those in government who are sympathetic to the message, people like, say, senate democrats in washington, to meet their demands. in this case, those demands can be summed up in that single rd, resist. so why, despite this growing opposition movement, are some democratic senators already lining up to support many of trump's cabinet nominees. i'll ask my guest that question after the break.
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take care of all your most important parts with centrum. now verified non gmo and gluten free. this was the scene in wilmington, north carolina, as protesters crowded to richard burr's office to oppose betsy devos's education. yesterday protesters in dianne feinstein's office took issue with her vote to approve mike pompeo as head of the cia. both groups are part of the indivisible movement, adopting tactics from the tea party movement. just as the tea party movement targeted any republican who showed a scintilla of willingness to work with president obama, the indivisible movement has been doing the same thing. democrats have been facing a groundswell of calls for an
entirely blanket anti-trump agenda. that may be problematic for some democrats in two years who need to hold seats in trum territory. in the 2018 midterms, democrats had to defeat their seats in the u.s. senate. of those 25, 10 senators are running in states that donald trump carried in 2016. compare that to the eight senate seats republicans will have to de'47, only one of which is in a state hillary clinton carried, that's nevada. how will that political reality affect the pressure on democrats to "resist"? joining to help answer that question, michelle goldberg columnist of slate, ben jealous, former ceo of the naacp. ben, there's two arguments i'm hearing democrats make, one is a practical one. if you're joe manchin in west virginia, trump carried his state by 30 points, he's toast unless he shows that he's reasonable and can work with the president. what do you think of that argument? >> look, i think that's an argument people can explain for joe manchin but it doesn't explain why liz warren voted for
carson and what doesn't sit well with people is that she's safe, first of all, second, she's been one of our fiercest protectors of the homeowners in our country. even renters in our country and here we have ben carson who if he was up for surgeon general i think people would support but he himself said he was not qualified to be surgeon general which then begs the question how is he going to be a fierce protector of homeowners at hud. how is he qualified if he's not qualified to be surgeon general. is he just a nice man who could end up being a dupe for a kleptocrklept kleptocratic president who's sophisticated at using government subsidy to build his own wealth. that's the sort of thing driving people's concern. >> that's a great example. elizabeth warren voted -- and i should say senator sherrod
brown, someone who has a reputation rightly as a sort of fairly pierce progressive. elizabeth warren said "yes, i have serious deep profound concerns about dr. carson's inexperience but the nominee i wanted is not the test. appreciate your making thoughts heard. unlike the new administration, i don't believe anything norring people or silencing those who disagree with the voichoices i make." i've heard from democrats "we cannot do to them what they did to us. we need to assess these nominees individually and reasonably. we need to be reasonable and be a bulwark for institutions mitch mcconnell trashed." >> to me that is unintelligible. you can't single hand diddley hold up institutions if the other side won't be bound by the same norms with which you find yourself. it's baffling to me anybody can look at what mitch mcconnell did and think that that worked out
badly for him the other thing is you should evaluate some of these candidates on their merit. i don't think anybody is angry with democrats who voted, for example, for mattis. >> nikki haley, who was voted in to be the u.s. ambassador -- u.n. ambassador. >> the thing is, ben carson should not be on the merits secretary of hud and the only reason to vote for him is they're afraid of looking obstructionist or afraid of blanketly opposing trump's nominees even though those nominees are shocking in their various disqualifications and conflicts of interest. >> ben? >> the problem is dems are being too sophisticated. this is a time for us to just face the simple fact that us being sort of the mr. nice guy party has not worked so well. that our established leadership has led us into a situation where we'll like we're a
permanent minority in the house and senate where we control 13 out of 50 of the governorships in the country. and that we'veot to actually try somethingdifferent. and what you're hearing from the base is look, if you want more energy in the party, if you want more people to come off the bench, vote, if you want them not to stray over to third parties, show some backbone, stand up for some principles and lead. >> and this is overwhelming. i will say just many my experience and people i talked to across the great bernie/hillary divide, across many internal divisions of the broad coalition of i would say what constitutes the center left, you reported on the tea party quite a bit. they went after republicans and they primaried the heck out of them. do you anticipate seeing that happening. it's hard for me to imagine somebody standing up a primary to schumer or elizabeth warren
or people who are still very beloved. there are still big protests outside of senator schumer's house tuesday night. there's more people at this next one. there were other ways which the tea party made it visible and difficult for them to ignore i don't think the democrats in washington understand the degree to which people feel this is an illegitimate administration. that to respond to this administration with business as usual is kind of like a dereliction of patriotic duty. i don't think people understand how furious and scared and alarmed people are and -- >> well, quite frankly, what they don't see is just how teamiteam i -- teeming with energy the base is. we kind of in the bernie camp sent out in the state of maryland after the campaign we said, look, if you want to hold
a house party, please let us know. we had a thousand people respond in like two days. >> the amount of energy and passion and anger directed all in the same direction is pretty astounding right now. thanks to michelle goldberg and ben jealous. that's "all in" for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, my friend. thanks, chris, appreciate it. thanks for staying here for the next hour. there's a lot going on, have you noticed it's busy? we've got legit breaking news. we have our hands exclusively on a new national poll from public policy polling. i know this is not a national poll about who people are going to vote for, but this is a poll and it turns out to be an interesting and newsworthy one that is about how the new presidency is going so far in the eyes of the american people. again, this is an exclusive. we have