tv Lockup Raw MSNBC January 29, 2017 1:00am-2:01am PST
due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> msnbc takes you behind the walls of america's most notorious prisons. into a world of chaos and danger. now, the scenes you've never seen. "lockup: raw." inside prison or jail, regrets are never in short supply. >> actually killed an innocent kid. that haunts me. >> and as if watching "lockup"
isn't warning enough for some -- >> tell him you will get [ bleep ] up in my book. >> this is a place where people come to die. >> -- prisons and jails use inmates to warn troubled teens before it's too late. >> huh? [ bleep ] >> an hour's worth of tape. >> others express their regrets with personal cameras. we call inmate cams. >> i just wish that i could do it all over again. >> during a typical "lockup" interview, we have our producer, our director of photography, our audio technician, an associate producer, and various staff members in the room kind of surrounding the inmate. it can be difficult sometimes to get an intimate interview with so many people around. so we created the inmate cam.
where it's basically a small digital camera we give to the inmate. >> we have this camera, super simple to use. it's already turned on for you. >> they can take it into their cell, turn it on, press record, and the results are dramatic. note we are the world surrounded by serial killers and material girls ♪ ♪ trapped in men's bodies ♪ one eye like cyclops ♪ replace password ipod and x-pods ♪ ♪ fireballs falling from the sky ♪ ♪ mudslides, the man can't explain why it's snowing in the summertime ♪ ♪ with christian vice lords with muslim folks ♪ ♪ seeking truth as we blind, dude ♪ time goes by. doing good. we doing bad. in the last days. >> wabash "lockup: extended stay," and hell yeah, the stay is extended. judge gave me 50 years. 50. that's five decades, man. i'm going to show you my cell, man. show you what's going on in my cell. show you all where i live, how i live. all right. wake up.
that's my bed. it ain't that thick. you know what i mean? it's my window. this is my window. that's the gate teasing me with freedom. you see the cars running by, going places i can't go. trying to paint a picture for you so you can understand what i'm going through. >> i looked out the window a lot. >> a lot of inmates have the hopes and aspirations of going home. because of the nature of my crimes, the brutality, the heinous and gruesome events that occurred, i know that i'll never see the streets again. >> this right here, as pathetic as that is to say, this is my pillow. don't nobody touch it. doesn't nobody touch it. ain't nobody going to touch it. you know. i put my head on it. i -- i cradle it at night like it's another person.
you know. because it's one of the things you wish you had. you know, do i want the company of another person here? hell, no. there ain't nothing to say. that's another thing i don't understand. but i ain't going to get on that subject. >> when we give them those cameras, we have no idea what we're going to get. and it's been amazing, really. i mean, they come up with these great angles. they come up with fascinating stories. it's funny. >> i got a $100 bill tattooed on my [ bleep ], but i can't show that to the camera. >> and it's often heartbreaking. >> it's all i do is sit here and think about my little boy. keep this picture right here under the mat. man. i don't know. this [ bleep ] is hell. >> i don't have no kids. i don't have no girlfriends. >> philip stroud, serving life without parole, used his inmate cam to reach out to the families of the three men he murdered during a robbery. >> every day, every day i got to wonder what i did.
i just wish that i could do it all over again. not for the sake of being in here, me being here because i been locked up my whole life. but so y'all could have y'all loved ones back. >> is this place stressful? hell, yeah, it's stressful. this is one of the stressfullest things you can do. this is what i wake up to every morning. a steel door and a piece of glass. i mean these places are so petty, they count the rolls of toilet paper you get. this is what you get every week. four rolls of toilet paper. you're allowed three khaki outfits. you're allowed one coat.
you're allowed two blankets. everything is counted in here. >> oh, now you're recording. >> for joshua coffey, who was sentenced to six years for burglary, the only thing more frightening than prison was the thought of leaving. >> i got nine days. i got nine days before i'm thrust back out into society. and i'm not free. nobody thinks about freedom as something to be nervous about. you know. because everybody that ever does anything wrong, or scared to go to prison. i'm damn near scared to go home. you know. and the bad part is that i got a family that loves me. you know. they might not understand me. they might not agree with the things i do. but ultimately, they love me. and i know that. and i hope i don't let them down.
>> hello, everybody. it's me. the stone. >> james stone wishes he had coffey's problems. he's serving 101 years for attempted murder. >> that's everything i pretty much got right there. you're not really allowed to have a whole lot here. >> he's already served 26. but has another 25 to go before he's even considered for parole. >> i know one guy, i'm not going to mention his name, he gets out next year. i think it's may. first of may of next year. for his third murder. third murder! he's been locked up for three murder bits, and because he keeps taking me bargains, i guess that makes him better than me. i ain't got a death involved in my crime but this guy done kill three people in drive-by gangland shooting crap and still
can't hit his target and they still release him. the law makes no sense to me. maybe that's why lady justice keeps blind because she don't really want to see this. it don't make no sense. >> several inmates use their inmate cams to offer a word to the wise. >> don't come to prison, man. >> warning others not to make the same mistakes they made. >> being locked up is real lame. it's not a game. it's no movie. it's no rap song. when it goes down, and you get popped [ bleep ], this is what it's going to be, man. >> when your buddies want you to join up with their little clique or little gang, hey, let's sell a little crack, oh, let's get that little $200, $300 from the liquor store or something like that, you just think about that. is it worth it? really, is it worth it? >> this ain't the place to be. this here, this is -- this is where you come when you're
scared of living life. this is where you come when you've given up, basically, on everything else. >> look at your family. look at yourself. see what you really got to lose. >> this is your future, right there, bam. coming up -- >> he was sweating, tossing, turning, hearing kids scream, falling. >> awaiting trial for murder, an inmate repudiates his former gang life. >> i don't want this lifestyle for no one. they use you. spit you up. many inmates say that coming
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to jail made them reassess their lives. if not drastically overhaul them. we can never know with certainty how sincere those claims are. but when an inmate repudiates his gang, as 25-year-old daniel miramontes did, it adds credence to their story. >> i ran the streets. grew up in the streets. life in the streets. what you see is what the streets created. >> we met miramontes at the orange county jail. he said before coming here he was a member of a los angeles
street gang and a meth addict. it seemed out of sorts with the young man who enjoyed reading novels and writing poetry. >> i like to read a lot. i like nicolas sparks. "walk to remember." "notebook." >> oh, so like romantics? >> oh, yeah. i'm a sucker for that. >> even cry when you read the sad part? >> yeah. most of the guys don't want to admit that because, hey, we're in jail. you know. but i don't care. >> but miramontes was facing the possibility of a lifetime in prison. >> been almost two years. my charges are special circumstance murder. big case. big case. >> miramontes had entered a not guilty plea and was still awaiting trial when we met him. the night of the murder, he says he was visiting friends in an orange county gang and that they were all drinking and high on drugs. while driving around their neighborhood, his friend stopped to confront a 19-year-old man who had allegedly flashed a rival gang sign. >> what ended up happening was the orange county home boys exited the vehicle, and a fight ensued which turned into a stabbing, which turned into a slashing, and the victim's neck was cut, and he bled to death at the scene.
>> miramontes admits to being in the car but says he never participated in the murder. >> i'm from l.a. i'm not from orange county. so, why bother get in the mix? so i just decided to stay in the car. one of those situations, you're in a bad place at the wrong time, you know. i was there. so i'm here now. facing a long time. >> miramontes says even though he wasn't involved in the murder, he's paying a price beyond just being in jail. >> there's nightmares, sweating, tossing, turning, hearing the kid scream, falling. it plays in my head sometimes. later on, we find out that the little kid wasn't even a gang banger. so i feel bad because they actually killed an innocent kid. that didn't even gang bang. that haunts me. >> though miramontes maintains
his innocence in this case, he admits to past violence with his gang. >> well, the things that i did, it was like little things, you know. shoot-outs with different gang bangers, but never actually killed no one. injure them? yeah. killed them? no. i'm not a murderer. i'm not hard-core gangster. homey, no. my things were usually drugs, weapons, money, easy. i had good grades in elementary, junior high, high school. i graduated with a 3.17. i'm a certified electrician. people used to say, he works. he has a good job, but i started hooking up with different people, older friends, older guys. serious business. so i was easy money. i will do that favor for you, you know, let's go. >> what was easy money?
>> delivering, here, there. nice. they used me to do all these runs. was i getting paid good money? yeah. was it worth it? not really. but that's one thing that i thank god for being locked up, is because being on the street, when i was on the street, oh, man, i was bad. i would have been probably dead within the month, a week, a year, the way i was going. i really didn't care what i was doing. hanging out on the streets all day. there was one time i didn't sleep for like four corners six days. just running around here, running around there. band. using meth a lot. maybe that's why i'm so skinny. >> miramontes spends large parts of his day drawing, reading, or writing poetry. he says he's forsaken his gang and is now housed in protective custody.
but he says it's worth it. >> well, i don't want this lifestyle. look where it got me. you know. i don't want this lifestyle for no one. they use you. spit you up. >> his analogy was, it's like bubble gum. when you put it in, it's real fresh and chewy. you chew it up for a little while and you spit it out. and that's his analogy of the gang. he was used when he was soft and vulnerable. and once he got a little hard and a little stale, they spit him out. >> you know, i have to ask you this. you're talking to me about a lot of your activity on the street. does that put you in any danger? >> if it happens, it happens. i just try to give a message out to, you know, people out there that the gang life is not good. they use you and spit you. killing an innocent little kid is not good. you want to kill somebody that took your brother's life, go ahead and do it.
just don't kill innocent kids that don't gang bang. that's bad. >> but it's okay to kill another gang banger? >> if he killed your brother. and if he shot your house. >> but when does it stop? >> it doesn't. i guess it keeps going until one of -- rather they kill you or you kill them, you get busted for life for killing that guy or he gets busted for killing you. it doesn't. >> while awaiting trial, miramontes said he made a conscious decision to not let jail bring him down. >> i love it out here. you know. this is paradise. i mean you could just picture background, the noise, you got a little water running. but my imagination plays it as an ocean. you know. it's good. being in here is like, hey, man, i'm in hawaii or something. better place than being in jail, right?
>> although he could face a life sentence if he is found guilty, miramontes has chosen optimism over pessimism. >> don't think negative. no matter how dark the world gets, just laugh. just laugh. that way there's nothing else to do. you laugh when the pain gets too much. that's what i do. i live my life with my own philosophy. and in here is yesterday was a dream, right? but tomorrow is only a vision. so make every yesterday a dream of hope. and tomorrow a dream of happiness. coming up -- >> right now i have six staff members. there's 384 inmates in this jail. it's very dangerous.
bars in america today. that's more than china and russia combined. and over the years we filmed in various prisons across the u.s. where we witnessed overcrowding, overwhelming conditions that really lead to a dangerous environment. >> this is a zoo. they're animals. >> our first ever extended stay series was shot at california's fabled san quentin state prison. designed to house just over 3,000 inmates. it was home to more than 5,000. when we shot there, robert ayers was san quentin's warden. >> we are grossly overcrowded, which is just totally unacceptable for the inmates, and the staff. >> been here before? >> no. >> all right. come over here and stand on the fence right there. >> the incoming population at san quentin was relentless, with staff releasing 150 inmates each
week, but welcoming in 350 new ones. >> let's go, gentlemen. let's go, let's go, let's go. clear the door. >> many of them wound up in the gym, which had been converted into a huge overflow housing unit. >> when i first walked in to the dorm at san quentin, i was taken aback by how many people were packed into this small area. it was very loud. ♪ >> james, report to the lieutenant's office upstairs. >> there's always people talking, people yelling. some people in there were trying to read and some people in there were trying to sleep. so you'll have a big group of people having a conversation over here while a guy's trying to sleep over here. most people would tie towels around their head to try to block out some of this noise. >> officers strive to maintain order in this potentially dangerous housing area. through regular inspections for weapons and other contraband. >> go ahead and unlock your locker, man.
>> can i move something out of mine real quick? >> huh-uh. >> come on, man. >> come on. >> luckily i don't have nothing illegal. as long as you don't know my locker. >> you got the drugs. you got the inmate manufactured alcohol. you got the gangs. you got the weapons. so it's -- it can be real dangerous at times. >> all right, all right, all right. go, go, go. come on, gentlemen. show time! >> right now i have six staff members. there's 384 inmates in this gym. it's very dangerous. >> gentlemen, on your rack. on your rack. on your rack. >> with so many inmates crowded in the gym, correctional officers are challenged to keep minor confrontations from turning into chaos. >> what's wrong, dog? >> he told me [ bleep ] he told me -- >> you need me -- >> i'm cool. i'm cool. i'm just telling you you will get [ bleep ] in my book.
>> everything down here is observation. just watching, listening. getting the feel for the dorm. if you're always watching, you can tell when something's starting to go bad, hopefully stop it before it gets bad. you know, these inmates have to share everything, share the rest rooms, share the showers, day room areas. so respect is a big thing in here. it means they're all respecting each other, everything's fine. but if you come into a disrespect issue, that's where things get sketchy. >> during our stay at san quentin, we witnessed one small but dramatic step the prison was taking to stem the flow of new inmates. coming up -- >> every man inside of this building has a date that they're going to die. >> a group of teenagers learns the cold, hard facts about life in san quentin. >> you want to use this restroom? when you come to prison, this is what you're putting yourself in.
>> announcer: due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. built in 1852, and home to california's death row, san quentin state prison was bursting at the seams due to overcrowding, when we shot our "extended stay" series there. but san quentin had one program designed to discourage troubled teens from ever joining its ranks in the future. >> okay, gentlemen. >> through the squires program, selected inmates shared their
experiences with teenagers who had already had run-ins with the law. >> okay. last person close the gate. >> what we need you to understand, you're in san quentin this morning. you're in a place that no kid should ever want to be in. you should be out playing somewhere in a park. but you're here because of something you did. >> what's your first name? >> angel. >> angel? >> yeah. >> okay, how old are you? >> 19. >> miguel. >> okay. >> i'm 16. >> jonathan. i'm 16 too. >> what you want to know, that this is your life, man. you have an opportunity to leave out of this place and never come back. >> let me introduce myself to you guys. my name's david. i'm about to be 25 years old in a few more months. but i've been in prison since i was 15 years old for murder. >> david monroe, serving a 15-year to life sentence after having pled guilty to second degree murder. >> i banged before. i been on the streets before. i'm from stockton. i done did it before.
all of it. everything you guys say you did, everything you guys think that you done did that we ain't did, we did it. it's really just about us not scolding the kids. it's not a scared straight. but we try to give you the communication part like, look, man, this is what i did. and this is what it got me. like this is the trophy that i was trying to earn. is this what you want to earn? and most kids, they don't. do you want to come to jail at 15 years old? do you want to come to prison and have to be on the yard? stand up. let me see how tall you are. this was me. >> you was my size? >> this was me when i came to prison. they're 15 and they look at me like oh, my god, are you serious? that's usually what i get, like are you serious? 15 years old they locked you up. can they do that? >> at 15, monroe's involvement in gang violence changed his life forever. >> they say you have a gun, you carry a gun, eventually you're going to use it, and it did happen. we was just with a girl having fun, talking. i seen somebody walking by. we had a confrontation and i
asked him some questions about his gang affiliation, if he had problems with my gang or my street, or the red, period, the color red, and he said yes, and me trying to prove myself to my peers like, yeah, okay, i'll show you that i'm down, and i reacted. and i shot him six times. and i ended up murdering him for basically a color. >> i never planned to commit a robbery. he never planned for his future to be doing a murder. he never planned for his life to be committing attempted murder. it all came about by the behavior and the lifestyle we chose. say you do a robbery. what do you think going to happen? >> if you get caught, then you're going to juvie. >> what about your mom? what you think going to happen to her? >> she gonna be sad and cry. >> and hurt. >> and hurt. yeah. >> and you shaking your head so you know that can happen to your mother too. >> yeah. >> okay. then y'all you know this, why would you put yourself in that situation? >> maybe we got to take a risk sometimes. >> take a risk sometimes? >> yeah. >> you don't think about it. that's the part about being a
juvenile. you're not fully thinking of what you're doing. you're just trying to be cool. you're trying to fit in. i'm real offended by what you said, and i'm putting myself in your mama's shoes right now. you telling me you willing to sell your momma out for whatever it is you think you needed. what were you robbing from? >> it's worth it. you must really want it. you're taking a risk to do it. >> i don't know what you say is worth it. ain't nothing worth my momma to me, nothing. you guys ain't really paying attention how you hurting your mom. >> monroe never realized how his crimes would hurt his own mother until the day he was sentenced. >> when the judge actually said, "you're a cold-blooded murderer, and i'm trying you as an adult to be sentenced to 15 years to life in prison," i heard my mom scream. and it just -- it's horrible. it was a horrible feeling like physically, emotionally, mentally, it was just horrible. and you know, i put my head in my lap and i cried. >> the boys are also given a preview of the stark conditions they might face if they ever enter the california prison system.
>> i want you guys to get a good look at this restroom. this is where you're going to use the restroom. look how they take care of this place. do you want to use this restroom? when you come to prison, this is what you're putting yourself in. because you have no privacy once you're in prison. that's what you guys are coming to. yeah. >> the boys are then taken to the prison block that holds those condemned to death. >> first off i just want to let you guys know that, like i seriously hate this place right here. this is the place where people come to die. every man inside of this building has a date that they're going to die. do you guys know the exact day you're going to die? that's none of our intentions is to murder somebody and die and be a big old gang hero. we just try to educate them. that's the main thing. they need to know what they're doing wrong and know how to change it. you can make a difference today. you don't have to wait until you
get to condemned row. you can keep your birth date and don't know your death date. you can do that. it's up to you. can you guys do that? are you guys willing to take that chance? >> what i got out of it was i don't want to end up in jail, so i got to start watching what i'm doing. start making better choices. because one little messed up choice could ruin my whole life. >> the think i learned is i don't want to be here. that's about it. it ain't a good place to be. >> it has to come within you. you have to want to change. i've always said this, this is for my victim. i can't give him his life back. but i can save somebody else's life because of what i did. i hope his family knows that, you know, what happened to him, it's not in vain anymore. some people are actually being saved. all right. you all take care, man. take care. hopefully we don't see you guys back here. that's the hope. we don't see you again. >> san quentin is just one of numerous prisons or jails across the nation where inmates and staff provide cautionary tales for troubled youth.
at the suffolk county jail in boston, massachusetts, we encountered another program called jail break. >> just remember when you're visiting here you're going to get experience what it is to be in jail. they're going to have you empty everything out of your pockets, put into locker. make sure you take everything out of your pockets, all right? hat, you take the hat off. show some respect. take everything out of your pockets. change, quarters, nickels, anything, bus passes. >> when we film in a prison or a jail, we do do our best to be a fly on the wall. in the case of jail break, you know, these kids came in, and yeah, they were definitely aware of the camera. >> you scared? are you scared? how about you? >> no. >> you're not scared right now? >> no. >> there's no reason to be scared, to tell you the truth. >> at the same time, i don't think it was necessarily the camera that affected them in the way that they had an attitude or they had this certain bravado. i think it was more relating to the age. >> everybody stand up.
come right over here. right now all you got to do is empty your pockets, take your jackets off. nothing should be around your wrists, in your ears, or in your pockets. everybody over there. put these uniforms on over your clothes. hurry up. these kids are from the boston public schools. they were suspended from school because of something that they did. tuck your shirt inside guys. everybody tuck your shirt inside. >> tuck your shirt inside your pants. >> once they have the uniform on and i start yelling at them and start talking to them in a way that, you know, they know that i'm in control, then they don't know what to do. so they just break down. >> you're 12 years old, dude. 12 years old, and you want to cut somebody. assault somebody. okay. keep on smiling like it's something funny here. >> i'm not smiling. >> keep your mouth shut. >> 16-year-old damon pope, however, who had recently been caught with marijuana, appeared determined to not break down. that you're in jail right now, 16. you'll be 17 in a month.
and you have an attitude like you're too good to be in this place. you're going to run this place. are you kidding me? are you kidding me? you think you're that good? >> tell me about your goals. >> my goals, trying to entrepreneur, you know. own a business, possibly take over this jail, you know. and i could be at home like donald trump, collecting money, writing checks, possibly writing you a check. you know. >> uh-huh. that sounds great. >> i tell you what your goals are. you're going to be in one of these units if you continue to do the things that you're doing. in a month. i'll give you less than that. okay? you're 17 years old, you walk through that back door and you will not leave. you understand me? you will not leave. that's what's going to happen to you. that's where you're going. everybody put your arms out, put your thumbs down. all the way out. i don't have anything big enough for him. >> grab a piece of string and tie his arms together. he's not even strong enough to break that. >> dude, these hurt, sorry.
>> they're not made for comfort. all right. get used to that. keep your mouth shut. >> what i do to you? >> i don't like punk little kids come into my jail thinking it's cool. >> i didn't disrespect you though. >> i don't care. i don't care. because you're in my jail thinking you're tough. >> i didn't say i was tough. >> keep your mouth shut. that's what i want you to do right now. okay. that's what i want you to do right now. pick up your feet and move. >> is this the life you want to have? >> the boys are escorted into the jail and placed in separate cells. >> face that corner right there. are you making your mother proud? no? are you going to change your ways? >> yes. >> you got a friend coming, all right? you got a roommate. are you ready for him? oh, you are? you're ready for him. coming up -- >> take your sneakers off right now [ bleep ]. kick them off, tough guy. >> the kids meet the inmates. >> smoking weed is going to end you in jail or dead.
during our extended stay shoot at the suffolk county jail in boston, three inmates, preselected by jail staff, were about to introduce themselves to four young men participating in the jail break program. >> the 12-year-old in cell one, he's here for cutting his teacher. >> what's up, man? what's up? how old are you? >> we have two fireworks in school. >> what you in here for? what you in here for? >> marijuana in three. >> turn around you little [ bleep ]. >> and marijuana in four. >> you want to go at it -- you think this is a [ bleep ] game, huh? >> the one in four is 16. birthday is next month. so he's a heartbeat away from being in here.
>> stealing money and smoking weed is going to end you up in jail or dead [ bleep ]. >> either/or. either/or. >> take your sneakers off right take your sneakers off right now, mother [ bleep ]. take them off, tough guy. >> they always take their shoes away. this is something that they know that happens in jail. we tell them, you come to jail, you're going to lose your shoes. >> take these off. >> take your sneakers off. >> [ bleep ] >> put your [ bleep ] hands up. are you [ bleep ] gang banging? >> [ bleep ] >> huh? >> why you crying? >> what the [ bleep ] you crying for? why you crying now, huh? [ bleep ]. >> boogies dripping down your face. >> what did it feel like to you? >> i don't know. >> it didn't scare you? >> kind of. >> kind of what? >> kind of like scared and all that. just kind of. >> i saw you crying in there. >> no, i wasn't. >> did he cry? >> he did. >> huh? why you crying now? you wasn't crying when you cut your teacher. >> oh you cut your teacher?
>> [ bleep ]. >> nah [ bleep ] backed up. no, you ain't got it on now. >> what y'all come to jail for, right? a pair of these, right? i'm going to take them from you. >> whose sneakers are these? >> i'm going to take these. [ bleep ] these are yours? i'm keeping them. you can have those. take those. >> you brought those. you all can have those. >> these are mine. >> you want them, come take them. let me see you take them. yeah. that's what happens in here every [ bleep ] day. that's what happens in here. i'll take this. [ bleep ] i'll take this. i'll take yours. i'll take yours. and you won't do nothing about it. you understand? you understand me? >> yes. >> i can't hear you. do you understand me? >> yes! >> all right, guys. >> hurry up, let's go. >> it's not often that you see all the inmates, you know, working together towards a common cause. and once those kids were brought up into that unit, you could tell that everyone was there to
put the fear inside them. >> new meat! >> where'd you get them sneakers? >> they're gone already. >> what's up, baby? come on in here. >> while the three younger boys seem shaken at times, 16-year-old damon pope maintained his nonchalant attitude. >> can you tell me the time? >> why? you got somewhere to go? >> because i'm late. >> keep your mouth shut. >> give me my sneakers. >> what did i tell you? i don't give a [ bleep ] how much you're late. you're in jail. you're in jail. welcome to nashua street jail. put your back against the wall. >> we followed the kids up to one of the housing units so they could see where one of their next bedrooms could be if they continued on this path. and i think that was probably one of the scariest parts for the kids, the idea of being locked up, actually inside of a cell. >> get in there.
welcome home. oh, there's only two beds. you got to share beds. have a seat. make yourself comfortable. that's where you're going to be. >> that's how you want to live [ bleep ]? >> you want to cut people? >> you in with a bunch of killers now. >> huh? you want to cut people? >> you want to go home now. >> go in there. go. i'm going to put you in there with them. i'm going to put you in there with them. >> go in there. >> yeah, he's going in. >> do you want to go in there? huh? let's go. you got a bed for him? >> no. >> he's going to sleep in the bed with me. >> oh, okay. that's my new bitch. get in here! >> when one person is using the bathroom, what you going to do? this will be you this is it right here. right here. steel. it's not a curtain.
it's not blinds. it's just bars. that's your home. that's your bed. >> you got to stay in one room the whole time for every day of the year, for how long you're here for? that's -- that's crazy. >> everybody out, let's go. stand over here. everybody else go that way. >> whose sneakers are those? >> i want you! >> they were yours, right? they're his now. ask him if you can have your sneakers back. you don't want to ask him? grab your shoes. merry christmas. get out of here. >> are you scared you're going to end up here? >> if i keep doing the thing i'm doing, yeah. >> you got to go in the bathroom. you're going to take my uniforms off, you're going to fold them nice and neat, and you're going to bring them out to me. everybody understand, right? >> yes. >> keep on making those noises. keep on making noises. >> i'm not doing nothing. >> because you walking out the front door doesn't mean you won't see me again, you won't be back in this place. all right? >> i'm not going to be back. >> release. remember that. remember that. >> google me. >> i won't have to. i'll check you up on the
computer when you get here. he's going to end up in this place if he really doesn't change. he's really going to end up in here. and he's so close to being 17. and at 17, you will end up in this place. he doesn't understand that. he thinks everything is a joke. and he thinks he could do this. >> you're a good dude, man. no lie. you did your job well. >> hopefully i don't have to do my job with you. >> the other three, i think they learned their lesson. >> pope might have, as well. nearly a year after our shoot, he had not returned to the suffolk county jail. ♪ coming up -- ♪ ain't done no wrong >> inmates who use their time to hone their talents. ♪ out in california
depending on the inmate, doing time can result in endless boredom or inspire new heights of creativity. >> that's the v twin motor. >> this inmate, who asked to only be identified by his nickname "lucky" used his time at san quentin state prison to create intricate models from soap, oil, and paper. >> i carve it out. it's the tread of the tire, made out of soap. takes a long time. i been doing it for like six years, and what keeps me from being depressed and angry and everything else. >> what do these bikes mean to you? what do they represent? >> i don't know. i guess freedom. because you know, you got to be free to actually ride them. >> lucky's models were more than just a hobby. he made one special bike as a gift to his daughter, whom he had never met. >> she's 9 years old. she's never had her dad.
and i don't know how to be a father. so i really don't know what to give her. i want to give her something she don't have. ♪ >> we met christopher lashbrook at the lyman correctional facility in colorado. he spent much of his time practicing his music. it was the primary link that connected him to his father. the relationship was nearly destroyed by abuse. >> my dad tried everything to punish me. the slaps and kicks turned into punches, and head butts, broken nose. >> there's no doubt about it, he was abused at my hands. >> how you doing? >> good, how are you doing? >> i love my dad. there is distance between us because i spent so much time incarcerated. the bond that's always kept him and i together has been the music. ♪ you're my teacher. you taught me how to play. he's a musician and he's rubbed that off on me, and i've been fortunate enough to have that talent.
♪ >> in some cases, a prison sentence allows an inmate to discover a talent he might never had known he had. for clay lopez, at california state prison corcoran, doing time led him to the harmonica. >> i'm almost 50 years old and i'll be over 50 when i get out. so i don't have a career or anything, so i thought, well, you know, if i learn to play the harmonica, i can at least pay my own rent when i get out there, even as a street musician, if i'm sober. i think i'll do okay. ♪ i started to play the harp better when i lost this tooth. i started getting the twanging sound the way it was supposed to sound. i was never so happy to lose a tooth. makes this harp sound real good. ♪
you can play what you feel without reading music, and i've tried to play guitar, piano, all kinds of stuff, and i never went anywhere, and not that i'm going anywhere with this, but, i know a few songs, mostly hymnals, gospel songs, and a few of my own, and it just expresses me. >> lopez was serving a 20-year sentence on 27 counts of burglary. but it was his exposure to inmates serving life terms that inspired him to pay them tribute through his songs. >> i just wanted to do something for the lifers to kind of express them. i could sing the last verse and it speaks for itself. goes -- ♪ ain't done no wrong since the days of old ♪
♪ out in california ain't no other road ♪ ♪ when i'm carried away in the coroner's car ♪ ♪ someone tell the warden to please ship me to the dixie line ♪ because the only way they're going to get out is when, well, when the angels come down and pick them up and take them home. that's why it's got that train sound, see?
i am freaking out. i walk in and my sister's not there. her door is open, her lights are on, her bed's undone. everything was horrible. and i felt it. >> she had been fearless on the front lines in iraq. >> pretty amazing. i saw her as like a really strong soldier. >> but something had her terrified at home.