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>> we are going to launch an investigation to find out of those votes cast, none of them come to me. >> i'll talk to reince priebus live this morning. also, how should the democrats respond to the president? get along when they call or all opposition all the time? i'll ask the man who was hillary clinton's running mate, senator tim kaine of virginia. >> and the presidency and the s, president trump calls the media the opposition party. >> the dishonesty, the total deceit and deception. >> and his chief strategist says the media should just keep its mouth shut and listen. are we looking at the worst white house press relationship since nixon. joining me is tom friedman, nbc news political analyst michael steele and kimberly stras sell. welcome to sunday.
it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history celebrating its 70th year. this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. you heard that right. we are beginning our 70th year on the air, a year-long celebration. we'll have more on that later in the show. let's get gown to the business. the trump presidency was met with frustration, anger and protest. yesterday was spontaneous and had to do with an action by trump to present some muslims entering the country led to dozens of people with permanent resident status being detained at american airports. that led to protests at those airports. many others across the globe en route to the united states were simply told to go home. the wild scenes at u.s. airports including seattle where authorities had to use pepper
spray. a federal judged blocked part of the president's action, preventing authorities from deporting those detained at u.s. airports during the early hours of this order. the scenes at american airports was the culmination of a whirlwind first week of the trump presidency that saw a spring of executive orders on a proposed tax on foreign made goods to the mexican wall. but it was this travel ban that had the most immediate percussions. >> celebration after judge an donly of the federal district court in brooklyn citing imminent danger of irreparable injury blocked the deportation of people stranded in u.s. airports that had arrived in the united states with valid vee sas or refugee status. >> the emergency stay followed a
day of protests around the country. after at least 375 travelers were either prevented from flying or barred entry to the united states. >> it is unconstitutional and it will be overturned. >> a woman who worked for the u.s. was held at jfk airport until granted a waiver. >> i suppose the u.s. governmen will now decide on the wall. but when i came here they say, no, and they treat me as i break the rules or do something wrong. >> on friday president trump suspended the u.s. refugee program for 120 days, closed the borders for three months and barred syrian refugees indefinitely. and mr. trump established a religious test for refugees from those countries allowing an exception for christians and others from minority religions.
>> it is not a muslim ban. you see it at the airports. you see it all over. >> the aclu disagrees. this is unconstitutional. it flies in the face of protections of due process, equal protection. it violates domestic statutes and acts of congress. we also believe it may violate the convention against torture. it may also, we believe, violate the first amendment. >> in his first week in office, president trump unleashed a flood of executive action on immigration, the environment, abortion and trade. >> this administration has hit the ground running. >> also this week, the executive order mr. trump attempted to start the process to build a wall along the u.s./mexico border and signed another order to cutoff funds. to pay for the ball the administration floated a plan to put a 20% tax on mexican imports. >> it's certainly an option.
>> but americans would likely end up paying more for all kinds of imports and some conservatives in congress are fighting back. >> lindsey graham said simply put, it is a big time bad idea. >> tariffs no. border security yes. and to those who like corcorona am going to protect the price. >> ryan priebus. >> thanks for having me, chuck. >> i want to start with timing on the executive order and the sense of urgency in trying to implement it immediately. was there any thought given of creating a 72-hour grace period, a one-week grace period in order to allow order patrol agents to understand what the rules are, allow agencies and the federal government to understand what the rules are. it seems that a lot of chaos
yesterday could have been avoided if you included a grace period. >> i don't think you want to have a grace period, chuck, because then people who want to do bad things will move up their travel date two days in order to get into the country before the grace period is over. i think it is one of those things and if you ask a lot of people at the customs and border patrol, they will tell you you have to rip off the band-aidtm and move forward. it wasn't chaos. the fact of the matter is 325,000 people from foreign countries came into the united states yesterday, and 109 people were detained for further questioning. most of those people were moved out. we've got a couple dozen more that remain. and i would suspect as long as they're not awful people that they will move through before another half a day today. and perhaps some of these people should be detained further and if they're folks that shouldn't be in this country, they are going to be detained. so i apologize for nothing here. >> okay. you don't think that anything --
there was no decision -- you didn't put out any of the rules in advance to some of these agencies. why not. >> of course we were working with the agencies. we were working with the agencies for a long time. so i'm not going to get into every little conversation that was had. but this was not an executive order that was simply signed by the white house and suddenly transferred to the department of homeland security. they knew what was going on and they conducted themselves pursuant to the order. >> one of the things in the order apparently is to include green cardholders, and that is something that there has been a report that the department of homeland security recommende that it not include green cardhoers. why did the white house choose to overrule the department of homeland security on that one? >> we didn't overrule them. it doesn't affect them. but here is the deal. if you're coming in and out of one of those seven countries -- by the way, identified by the obama administration as the seven most dangerous countries
in the world in regard to harboring terrorists and affi affirmed by congress multiple times, then you're going to be subjected temporarily with more questioning until a better program is put in place over the next several months. this is something that 75%, 80% of americans out there agree with. we don't want people that are traveling back and forth to one of these seven countries that harbor terrorists to be traveling freely back and forth between the united states and those countries. >> you just said something at the beginning of your answer and it seemed like an aside. this order does not impact any green cardholders from these seven countries. >> of course it does if you are traveling back and forth. you are going to be subjected to further screening. >> let me ask you this. are you going to do that to american citizens as well that travel in and out of these seven country sns. >> i would suspect if you are an american citizen traveling back and forth to libya, you are likely to be subjected to further questioning when you
come into an airport. >> let me ask you this. why are you confident that's constitutional? i'll ask it this way because green cardholders, they go through extreme vetting to get the green card, number one. but number two, when they get that green card, they are entitled to all the protections. >> i'm not suggesting that. >> i understand that. but are you -- by having to put in an extra hure for a green card holder in order to get bk into the country, how are you confident that doesn't violate their rights and that it doesn't end up making this order unconstitutional? >> first of all, the order is not affecting green cardholders moving forward. that's number one. >> i'm confused by that. you keep saying going forward. you just said it did. i'm confused. you said it does. >> if you had just slowed down for a second and listened, i could answer your question. >> i understand that. but you've twice confused me, so i'm trying to understand the clarity. >> it's because you don't stop talking, chuck. i love you, but let me answer
the question. this isn't in regard to the executive order. the executive order doesn't affect green cardholders moving forward. i said that. but what i'm suggesting to you is that customs and border patrol, i would suspect, if they have a person that's traveling back and forth to libya or somalia or yemen, i would suggest they ask a few more questions at jfk when someone is coming back and forth within their discretionary authority as a customs and border patrol agent. i would suspect most persons would agree that might be a good thing to do. what i'm not suggesting to you is that that is in the order moving forward. i'm suggesting that within the discretion of the cbp that those questions would likely be asked. >> okay. you say it doesn't affect green cardholders moving forward, but you just said it does impact green cardholders from those seven countries. those two things don't compute. >> no, it computes, chuck,
because there is discretionary authority that a customs and border patrol has when they suspect that someone is up to no good that's traveling back and forth to libya or yemen. i'm not suggesting it is in the order. i am suggesting at every level in an airport, a customs and border patrol agent has the authority to use their discretion to ask questions. we're off on a tangent that has nothing to do with the executive order. >> let me ask about the executive order because the countries chosen and i know you say this is countries that were codified by congress, chosen by the obama administration. here is what i'm confused about. when you look at those folks that have committed terrorist acts in this country, killed americans, pakistan, saudi ara bee yeah and egypt. you have had more terrorists come from those three countries than any of the seven that you have. in fact, in saudi arab yeah more have come to kill americans than the seven countries combined.
why was saudi ara bee yeah, pakistan and egypt not on this list if you are so concerned about this issue. >> we are concerned about the issue, chuck, and that's why we put these seven countries initially into the executive order that were identified previously by congress, by both the house and the senate and the obama administration as been the seven most watched countries. but you bring up a good point. perhaps other countries needed to be added to an executive order going forward. but in order to do this in a way that was expedition and that would pass muster quickly, we used the seven countries already codified and identified by both the obama administration and the congress. but you bring up a good point and perhaps other countries need to be added. this is all done for the prottion of americans and waiting another tee days and waiting another the wee is something that we don't want to
get wrong. president trump is not willing to get this wrong, which is why he wants to move forward quickly and protect americans. >> and just to clear things up, the trump organization has business ties in a couple of the countries that were not included, including saudi ara a arabia. did that have any impact why it was not included on the list? >> of course not, chuck. like i said very clearly, the countries that were chosen in the executive order to protect americans from terrorists were the countries that have already been identified by congress and the obama administration. that does not mean that other countries wouldn't be added later to subsequent executive order. but, again, this -- what we're talking about, out of 325,000 people trying to find a per ver bee y'all needle in a haystack was accomplished yesterday with a little over 100 people detained for further questioning from these countries. people are moving out of the system and moving forward.
this obviously is going to be, i believe, a very smooth and effective operation for the safety of americans across the country. >> we move on to a couple of other things. there was an issue on friday, the white house put out a statement on holocaust remembrance day and there wasn't a mention of jews in the statement of any -- of the victims of the holocaust that a majority of them were jewish. many of us thought it was an error. it turns out it was not. a conservative columnist wrote this, the final solution was aimed solely at the jews. there is no proud way to offer a recommend ambulance of the holocaust that does not offer that simple awful fact. to universal liez it to all those who suffered is to screw up the holocaust of its meaning. mr. priebus, do you understand why many jews were offended by
the white house's decision not to note that the holocaust was about eradicating the jews? >> i recognize, in fact, obviously, that this was what the holocaust was about and it's a who i beliehorrible event anda miserable time in history that we remember here at the white house and certainly we'll never forget the jewish people that suffered in world war ii and obviously still incredible wounds that remain in a time in history that was of great, incredible horrific magnitude and everyone's heart here is impacted by the memory of that terrible time. and, so, for the record, that's the case. >> do you regret -- does the president regret -- >> ill will to anybody. i don't know about regret. >> no regret? not acknowledging the pain that -- >> we acknoge it. we acknowledge the horrible time of hol cast and what it meant
for history. >> whitewash jews from the statement? >> i'm telling you now that's the way we feel about it and it's a terrible time in history, and obviously i think you know that president trump has dear family members that are jewish and there was no harm or ill will or offense intended by any of that. >> so you don't -- but you don't regret the statement. you don't regret the words that were chosen in the statement and the words that were not included. >> i don't regret the words, chuck. everyone is suffering in the holocaust, including, obviously, all of the jewish people affected and the miserable again si -- again side is something we consider to be sad and something that could never be forgotten and if we could wipe it off the history books, we could, but we can't. and it's terrible. i don't know what more to tell
you. >> one last question. an executive order, the president reorganized the national security council and, look, he could put anybody on it that he wants. what i'm curious about is why is the top intelligence official and the top military official in this country not a full-time member of the national security council in the trump administration? >> they are. if you read the order, they are invited to be attendees at any time they want to. >> that's not what it said. it said when it is necessary. it looked like it was invite only. so you're saying every national security council meeting should include the chairman of the joint chiefs and the chairman of central intelligence. so it is not correct, then, because in the order it said as needed. >> if you read the order, they are invited as attendees to the
security council at any time. >> we had a lot of other stuff to get to, but it has been a busy morning. hopefully, we'll see you again, sir. >> how should the democrats respond to president trump? go along when they can or scorched earth opposition? i will talk to the man who thought he'd be t vic president of the united states today, senator mccain. when did mixing food, with not food, become food? thankfully at panera, 100% of our food is 100% clean. no artificial preservatives, sweeteners, flavors, or colors.
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welcome back. our panelists here. i'm supposed to be plugging your book still. thank you for being late. i think i've plugged it quite a few times, but that is good. >> thank you. >> i think dan summed it up pretty well this week when he vad this week was everything trump supporters could have hoped for and everything trump conflicters would have feared. >> he is going to fulfill all of
those campaign promises and take action. this is also a president who i think sometimes allows his own missteps to get in the way of his successes. he did a lot of stuff this week that was important and good for the economy. but some of it was overshadowed by back and forth over attendance and crowds and voter fraud and a diplomatic tiff with mexico and we'll see if there is any greater discipline going forward. >> discipline, tom friedman, i don't know. but then donald trump doesn't mind the chaos. >> you know, chuck, one of the points i actually make in my book is from a systems analyst who said you shouldn't think in the box or out of the box. you should always think out of the box. what he meant is the world is seamlessly integrated. they're all interwoven. so think about some of these policies that we heard this week. one is we want to keep immigrants out.
we' where are the greatest immigrations coming from? not actually from mexico. from central america. both are hammered by the same problem, population and cmate change. okay. the collapse of small steel agriculture. what does this administration come out against, a family planning technology being extended by the u.s. government and climate change is a complete myth. ;et talk about the wall. how many americans know, i dare ask, chuck, does president know that if you fly into mexico from baghdad, do you know your name pops up on homeland security here. same if you fly into toronto. now, how are the mexicans going to feel about keeping that going when we're building a high wall? same thing with economics. you know, trump says we're going to have a 20% tariff on mexican goods. what's going to happen?
price wills go up to american companies. do you remember what happened on 9/11? the supply chain from canada to mexico completely collapsed and completely disrupted our auto industry. what is going to happen if prices go up? american companies will build those factories here and they will completely robot size them. >> that's been the fear. >> i think in some ways that mr. trump is a magician, you know tharks the important things that happen this week were the executive orders, the very things he's talking about. but we were all caught up in the things he said about the press. he's deflecting. it's like slight of hand. the thing that concerned me most about this week was the whole relationship with the press. it is one thing for the president to get over the people and use as fdr the radio and he used tweets instead. it is one thing to get upset with criticism. lbj said if i walked, in the afternoon the press would say the president can't swim. but when you deny objective e
reality as he did in terms of how many people are at tin august ration you're leading into that territory of eisenhower who said the worst thing he ever did was deny the objective reality and he felt bad about it the rest of his presidency and the rest of his life. >> let me go back to the ban itself. what is interesting here is they were trying to draw up a man. president trump said it is not a muslim ban. rudy giuliani said he was trying to inact the muslim ban without it looking like a muslim ban. what is amazing here, there is a lot of republican discomfort, but they are not praising it and not denouncing it. how many patience do mainstream republicans have? >> they have been patient on a number of things. you have got the president who is floating a trillion dollars on infrastructure. you have got the controversy with mexico. even though folks are all about the wall, they recognize what
you laid out in terms of the effects of it. here you get into this space, which has its own levels of comply police stations. republicans would like the administration to slow down, to be honest. they like things to take day or two to think it through so you don't then have the pile-on afterwards as we've seen with this current decision. if you think it through, if you deal with the fact -- the exchange between you and mr. priebus about the green cards, the order says what the order says. you can say what you want, but the reality of it is republicans and others are looking at what is on the paper and that is what people are going to be responding to. >> the green card thing is actually pretty straightforward. the point he was trying to make is if you have a green card you are not going to be kept out of the country, but you will be subjected to further questioning. >> and that's the issue of whether that's constitutional. >> look, this is also not unprecedented by the way. barack obama put a pause for six
months on refugees coming from iraq back in 2011. i don't rememberprotest tors and i don't remember lawsuits. so the bigger question, if this is a temporary pause, which is designed for us to improve and look at our vetting processes and it indeed temporarily, i don't think that's an outrageous idea. but the bigger question should be implementation, did you get it right from the start. >> that's what people are nervous about. >> chuck, some things are true even if donald trump believes them. we always have to remember them. and we live in an age now with 60 million migrants traveling around the world. this is more at any team in history. so there is a need, i think, to sit back and say how do we respond to that? what is the commercial interest we have? what is the ethical interest we have? it really needs to be thought out. you do that scarefully. and it seems to be one of the terrible signals we may be
sending is just don't go there. this is an iphone. the guy that con seceived this iphone was conceived by an immigrant. he was steve job's biological father. he was from syria. >> all right. with that i am going to pause there. we are going to have more conversation after an interview with my next guest. we will be back in a moment with senator tim kaine. nt. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing. and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... which adds fuel to my bottom line. what's in your wallet?
welcome back. democrats are still trying to figure out how to deal with president. and with me is hillary clinton's former running mate, senator tim kaine. >> welcome back, sir. >> good to be with you. >> let me start with getting your reaction to this executive order and to reince priebus's defense of it. is there any part of the idea of pausing -- pausing the refugee program that you support, even if you don't support how president trump worded it in this order? >> well, chuck, i'll just go right to what he said. he demonstrated complete confusion over what the order did because he went back and forth with you over whether it did or did not affect green cardholders. it does affect green cardholders and they're being caught up in it. it affects people on special immigrant visas like interpreters that have helped
the u.s. military in foreign countries and now their lives are at risk so we have given them a special status to come to this country. who would help the united states if they knew we were going to abandon them when they're trying to come here. it is a religious test. and the irony is not lost on me it was issued the same day as the white house issued their holocaust remembrance day proklation that removed any reference to jews. this was horribly, horribly mishandled. and, you you knknow, identity et a charge -- >> you think it is more than a coincidence that it all happened on friday? >> i think all of these things are happening together. when you have the chief political advisor in the white house, steve bannon, who is
connected with a news organization that traffics in white see prumsy and an anti-semitism and they omit any mention of jews. the first thing you do is pull up to see what earlier statements have said. and the earlier statements, president obama, president brush always talk about the holocaust with the slaughter of jews. we have to remember this. this is what holocaust denial is. it's either to deny that it happened or many holocaust deniers acknowledge, oh, yeah, people were killed but it was a lot of innocent people. jews weren't targeted. the fact they did that and imposed this religious test on the same day, this is not a coincidence. >> let me ask you something that you tweeted about something you tweeted yesterday. you said if we turn our backs on widows and or fans, we surrender
to our enemies. senator dean retweeted you but said, tim, this is great, but the dems in the senate actually have to do something about this stuff. you are being left behind by your base. how do you respond on that, the implication being democrats aren't doing enough. >> hey, we're doing plenty. two weekends ago on martin luther king day, we led save our health care rallies all over the united states. tens of thousands of people participated. my colleagues and i were thrilled at this massive peaceful protest last weekend to hold the trump administration accountability. many of us participated in that. we are holding trump nominees feet to the fire, demonstrating to the world that many of them are either unqualified or extreme or ethically challenged. i'll tell you, chuck, i have never seen calls to my office from folks the way i have seen
them over these cabinet nominees. that's because a lot of us on the democrat side are casting a spotlight on what they are doing. we're all in this together. here's what we think. here's what we think. the trump administration is posed to do horrible danger to our country, our values, our people and our reputation. and we are going to do everything we can in the courts, state houses, ballot boxes on line and in peaceful protests to make sure this administration doesn't hurt the country we love. >> does this mean you are not going to work with him where you can? >> well, let me tell you something. i voted for generals kelly and matt tis to be part of the national security team, secretaries of homeland security and defense. i voted for them. why? because the national security council is critically important to our thinking about challenges and the national security
council sadly has some really questionable people on it. the national security advisor, aga general flynn is prorussian conspiracy theorists. so we put general kelly and general mattis in place. many democrats supported them because we want to save this country. will there be other areas where -- here is another example. >> okay. >> eight years ago democrats and president obama made a major investment in the infrastructure in this country. no republican supported it. but democrats did it and it helped the country. and if president trump wants to do that, we'll work with him on it. hopefully, maybe a republican will vote for it this time. so we're not closing the door on doing what's right for the good of the country. but right now we think this administration poses a threat to our reputation, values and people and we are going to battle. >> let me ask you this one final
question here which is on dnc chair, you are a former dnc chair. who would you like to see run the party? i know a lot of obama and clinton veterans are behind tom perez. are you? >> i have not done an endorsement yet, chuck, and i'll tell you why. the senate democrats are the emergency brake on this administration. they don't give house democrats many tools in minority, but we do have tools. i have decided my best use to be a hard working senator and focus on using the tools we have and the best way we can to check this administration. doing other things like getting involved in the dnc is just not the big priority for me right now. i don't want to take my eye off the ball in doing what i could do to protect this country. >> that could send a message that you don't see the dnc as that important of a vehicle right now. >> if i wasn't in the senate right now, i would be very engaged in this dnc matter
because it is important. but i should be spending every minute i have working with my democrat colleagues, whether it is the russia investigation, saving the affordable care act, making sure we don't put somebody out in the mean stream on the supreme court. >> time is always an enemy on this show. senator cain, thanks were coming on. when we come back, the presidency and the press. we gave you a little preview. we may be looking at the worst relationship between the white house and the press core since water gate. speaking of watergate, a man who covered watergate for us, tom bro kau. 70 years on the air. oh, did i say there's only one special edition? because, actually there's 5. aaaahh!! ooohh!! uh! holy mackerel. wow. nice. strength and style. which one's your favorite?
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here's donald trump from earlier this week in an interview with the christian broadcasting network. >> i think the media is the opposition party. the dishonesty, the total deceit and deception makes them partly the opposition party, absolutely. i think they are much more capable than the opposition party. the opposition party is losing badly. >> what do you think the president is doing here, doris? is by highlighting the media as the opposition party is it is way of delegitimizing the democrats? >> the concern i have about the democrats right now is that they have to analyze honestly why they lost and they didn't lose just in washington. and they can't just be an opposition party in washington. they're not going to be able to undo everything. they have to become a reverse tea party and go out to middle america and figure out. lincoln said you have to know where you came from to know what
to do next. and it can't just be anti-trump. they have to reach out to the values of the democratic party. it is going to be hard, but they have got to have a positive out look. it didn't work in the campaign. >> doris put her finger on its. i remember in 2009, two weeks after barack obama had been inaugurated, i'm sitting at the rnc saying, what do i do with this, right? i've got a base that's dysfunctional. the message is all over the place. you have to figure out where you came from. and where we came from was the desert. '06, '08. so the messaging is critical. right now those who are running for the chairmanship of the party don't have a galvanizing message. the base is going in one direction. >> right. >> the party leadership is standing still. and then those other democrats who are kind of watching this whole episode are going, okay, we'll wait and see. this is not the good space for the democrats right now.
>> single most important moment this week politically was the meeting that donald trump had with union leaders on monday. >> yeah. >> the trades. >> yes. the pipe fitters, the sheet metal workers. and you didn't see a single member there. he is trying to steal that base. by the way, those union members came out hugely enthusiastic from that meeting. if democrats don't remember those are the people they need to keep on board. part of the problem is the policies. why are they thrilled with donald trump? because he signed executive orders on the keystone pipeline and on the dakota pipeline. okay. well, this is important to guys like howard dean. >> the ted kennedy, the old labor guys, they would have loved that stuff. >> right. >> i'm a big believer of people don't listen through their ears.
they listen through their stomach. and to doris's point, i think that democrats have to find a way to connect to the gut concerns of a lot of these middle americans and then take them into a more progressive direction. that's going to take some real rethinking i think of the whole platform in general. >> and the republicans did that after goldwater's huge walloping. they had think tanks and rethought. that is one of those moments. and it could be a challenging moment. but unless they understand what happened -- >> we went from think tanks to grass roots, and that was the difference. >> does anybody know who the leader of the democrat party is right now? >> no. >> maybe it's some young person out ere. >> it is a vacuum. >> t torch has been passed to new generation. >> but nobody else has grabbed the torch. >> we're waiting. >> i'm going to take a quick pause. we are literally coming right back. remember to check out our podcast. this week i talked with former bush secretary ari fliesher
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leak from the republican congressional retreat when they were having a session about how the heck are we going to replace obamacare. and everything that was leaked out, nothing said was surprising. they realized they're worried about the politics and worried about making it affoable. they're worried about everything thathey should be worried about, but it also served as a reminder to me, they better not rush. >> if i am a reason lead public i'm thrilled this leaked. it shows they are focused on the right questions. they may not have all the answers yet. who can? this is a very complicated market. but they are talking about what do we do to make sure most people have this. they have good ideas debating back and forth. they are deliberating over the issues you would like congress to be deliberating over. it puts out the fact that mill sister debating needs to be done and gives a little bit of grace
period to work on this. >> here's the rub. you have had six, now seven years to figure this out. the fact you are sitting in a room in philadelphia at this stage having a discussion about how you are going to replace the very thing that you have been fighting against for the last six years is a problem. so in one sense, yes, the leak is a good thing. >> i don't know if that's true. they knew they were going to repeal it. >> you have been telling your base, you have been telling the country we are going to repeal and replace. and the one question everybody asks is what are you replacing it with and now you are having the problem? . that is a problem with the leak and let's be honest about it. >> i think the real problem -- >> the politics haven't change sgld for a guy that won the presidency with one paragraph and now they're struggling to get the second paragraph. think about isis. i am going to wipe isis off the face of the earth. we need deep ie rkky cooperation and what do they do yesterday? tell iraqis you are not welcome in this country for the next 120
days. but be our allies, die for what we believe in. good luck with that. that's the second paragraph. >> i want to go back to what michael said. i think the real problem for president trump is his support, his base are the ones most likely to be hurt unless this is done right. when social security it was passed, the republicans thought they could go against it and they started putting suits against it. roosevelt won by this huge majority because people already had it. >> it's difficult for many people for it to be worse than it is right now for them. >> it does appear that republicans, whatever they replace, it is going to be a permanent infrastructure for health care in this country. >> yes. >> which is something you could argue they were fighting against for a while. >> i think what people also underestimate or miss is when you look at the broad planks of what is going to happen, of course they know what they are going to do. you are going to have insurance you can buy across state lines. you will have tax credits for certain people out there.
they will get rid of the mandates and requirements to bring costs down. a lot of this is about details around the edge and the time line and how you deal with the mess. >> and the cost. >> then there is the cost. >> and how you have to pay for it. >> and how you pay for it, exactly. >> big government. >> all right. i am going to take another quick break. we'll be back in 45 seconds with our end game segment. we will do it with tom brokaw, who is celebrating his first 50 years at nbc news. >> coming up, "meet the press" end game and post game, brought to you by boeing, always working to build something better.
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>> the world's longest running television program, "meet the press." >> celebrating it's 70th year. >> if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." >> all right. i could watch that open over and over again. this morning we are beginning our 70th anniversary celebration. yes it's been 70 years. and, yes, we are the longest running show on television. take that bart simpson. and who better to kick it off than tom brokaw, marking 50 years with nbc news with a fantastic special tonight. tom of course has been a regular on "meet the press" and was the moderator for a time as well. so he's the bridge that connects these two celebrations. tom, you have been thinking about all of this a lot, your career, the span of it all. what does it all mean to you? >> one of the things i'm thinking this morning is that the first time i appeared on "meet the press" was a sunday morning after the saturday night
massac massacre. and it was always the high church of washington talk shows. you have maintained that standard all along. i think what we're seeing once again is the importance of a dynamic dialogue in this country about what's going on. i have seen a lot of transitions. i never seen one quite as size mick as this one. so many places are in motion, internationally, domestically and otherwise and it is going to require i think on the part of the press, those of us who do this, a kind of patience, if you will. >> it's interesting. when we talk about the press and we talked about it earlier in the show and the comparisons wheen a white house and a press that was very similar to nixon and the press core. in fact, i want to throw a brief highlight from your special tonight that is very "meet the press" centric that is from those nixon years. here it is. >> at his last meeting with the
white house press, i quoted legal experts who said executive prif lij does not apply in impeachment proceedings. >> aren't your statements to that matter historically inaccurate or at least misleading? >> mr. bro kau, so far as the principal of confidentiality is concerned, that principal still stands. >> the supreme court ruled against nixon. >> this appears to be the final day of his administration. >> in august 1974, he became the first president to resign his office. but we met several times again, including in a 1988 on "meet the press." >> you see anything that you might have done differently? >> well, i suppose i could have treated the press better. >> i wasn't looking for that. >> but the -- but then they might have treated me better. >> there you go, tom. that was a fascinating -- i
wonder if one day a former president trump might say the same thing. >> you know me, chuck. the unforeseen will occur. but i do remember after i asked that question and i had worked hard on getting all the legal experts to reinforce what i thought would be the case. the next morning, ron ziegler came to me and took me apart because i had been disrespectful in his words to the president. now, it was the president's last appearance before the white house press core. we are in a very different set of circumstances now, in part because there is nothing that is not known. the screen is so crowded in so many ways and it plays out and everyone has a kind of philosophical investment in what was going on. so i'm going to be interested in how this particular phase of the trump presidency plays out wharks t, what the consequences may be. the members of the senate who are republicans are going to have to go back and run on the trump policies in their various
states, and they have got to be thinking about that as well. >> that's for sure. as you know, the campaign of 2018 will be upon us sooner than we think. >> tom, thank you, sir. remember the special broadcast. tom brokaw at nbc news, the first 50 years airs tonight at 9:00/8:00 central. who needs football? you've got bro kau. that's all we have for today. we'll be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." >> you can see more end game in post game, sponsored by boeing, on the "meet the press" facebook page. by boeing on the "meet the press" facebook page.
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