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here is what is happening. protests continuing around the country this hour. this is against president trump's executive order banning travel from seven nations and suspending admissions of refugees worldwide on a temporary basis. we can tell you travelers do remain detained at some american airports. still confusion over who is covered by the order, and we have breaking news on that in a moment. a senior white house official telling nbc news the order does not apply to green card holders. here is a brand-new quote. from an anonymous official at the white house. tonight, saying, quote, legal permanent residents of the u.s. are exempt from the executive order. that's brand-new. we're going to explain why that is so different from what we have been hearing over the last several days. for more on this, i'm joined by nbc's kelly o'donnell live at the white house this evening. this is a complex area, obviously anyone who studied immigratii immigration law knows there are a lot of rules and exceptions.
you don't usually see a process where an executive order is officially promulgates on one rule, reversed and by my count reversed again. so starting with, of course, just the facts, what is the latest that you've learned tonight? >> well, this issue affecting green cardholders, it was a real question in the first 24 hours of this new order. people who have a legal resident stat ous in the united states who hold a passport from one of the seven countries, how would they be affected. and in conversations with senior administration officials earlier, i was told they would be subject to some additional questioning if they were out of the country coming back, or they would have the option of -- for a future trip to stop at their consulate first, clear the trip, then travel and come back. so the suggestion was even a green cardholder from one of these seven countries would be subjected to some additional scrutiny. i was told i wouldn't necessarily be lengthy it
wouldn't be a detention, just another layer of questioning at a money mum. now, i am told -- this is foreshadowed on "meet the press" today from chief of staff reince priebus who said going forward, green cardholders would not be affected. and chuck todd tried to elicit a bit more from him at that time. now hours later, it would appear the policy is taking a different shape. now, we hope to get some more answers in the next hour, talking with senior officials who remain here on a sunday evening to get a sense of how did this evolve, was this seeking additional legal counsel, hearing from both lawmakers, both parties who have been addressing this issue, a lot of concern about it. >> let me jump in on that. look, you and i are just unpacking this live. i haven't spoken with you before being on tv, i don't know when you're going to know. i want to ask point blank, are they going to give the country and dhs more guidance than what we have right now as an anonymous single sentence statement from anonymous official? the executive order is signed under the president's signature.
we had as you articulated, a very different messages and thus rules being put out by the government over the course of the weekend, which has affected everything at the airports and the latest we have was reince priebus on the record on nbc suggesting it. now a written statement from an anonymous official. i don't know if you know the answer yet, is there any indication from the white house they're going to in a more formal way have someone under their own name write up what the rule is, the final rule, work with dhs on that or we just don't know? >> i can tell you there are prominent senior officials in the trump administration who are here at work tonight, who have this as their portfolio. it is sort of a convention of washington that we don't necessarily use their names in this kind of situation. so won't jump ahead of that. but these are people at the table, forming this policy, really at the center of this issue and have been working it all day. we expect to have an opportunity to get some more answers this evening. i've been trying to work this through the day. there were just limitations on
what they were willing to say at a given time. this green card issue is something new tonight and i think it suggests the trump administration is hearing some of the criticism, not just from protesters, but from lawmakers and people with a far greater understanding of immigration law than i have, you're the lawyer, i'm not, and i think that this is sort of morphing a bit, fine tuning perhaps. i don't know we will get a sense that there will be any change in the directive, but there may be more clarity and so we're working to get more details on this because it is now going from executive order to meeting a practical application in the real world with real people involved and they're seeing some of the trouble spots and perhaps looking to answer some of the concerns that have been raised. >> the typical administrative process is to work with the relevant agencies and the justice department. to write something up that is time and not change it too much unless events overtake it. here there are changes.
while the message from the white house has been we stand firmly by the order, and we're proud of it, and we're going to move forward with it, in the details we are seeing some adjustments for what that is worth. nbc's kelly o'donnell, we'll come back to you at the white house. i'll see you again tonight, thank you. joining us by phone is julie cornfeld. she represents a man who was detained and then released at jfk airport over the weekend. thank you for joining us tonight. just starting in with your case, walk us through what happened. >> yeah, of course. haider entered -- attempted to enter the u.s. friday evening around 8:22 p.m. and then he was held for 22 hours. and he was not able to call me during those 22 hours. even though he asked repeatedly to call his lawyer.
>> and who is he? what does he do? what is his legal status? >> haider is an iraqi refugee. him and his family have worked on behalf of the u.s. government. and because of that work with the u.s. government he -- his family has been targeted by militants in iraq. and he was trying to come to the u.s. to get to safety. >> what did he do for the u.s.? >> his wife and family worked as accountants for the u.s. military. >> so this is someone who basically according to your knowledge risked his safety in his home country, which happens to be iraq, to help the united states government and military and operations in iraq and you're saying was ensnared and detained and denied access to counsel for you're saying 22 hours? >> exactly. his family worked on behalf of the u.s. government, and
unfortunately some of his family members were killed because of that work. and they were promised safety in the u.s. because of that work, and haider was unfortunate enough to be detained for that period of time because they were questioning his admissibility because he was iraqi. >> final question, in your work, have you ever seen anything like this and what happens next for your client? >> i have not seen anything like this before. this is unprecedented. we have been promising refugees safety in america for years. and then denying them access and detaining them because they are refugees is unheard of. >> miss cornfeld, i know it has been a busy weekend for you, i appreciate you joining us. thank you very much. >> thanks. our coverage continues here looking at the protests. there have been by our count over 30 cities that have been
organized or spontaneous, one of the largest at l.a.x. in los angeles. steve patterson is out there. what are you seeing right now? >> reporter: just widespread. there are so many people here. there is so much attention on this. there is so much sound that is just constant. we can't really show you the full scope of it. this airport, there have been not one, not two, but three access points to terminals that have been completely shut down. i want to show you around here, take a look here, this is the upper level you see some of the protesters up here, and then across the street in the parking garage, people are lined up for a long, long while. protesters have been here since very early on in the morning. and they continue to protest, not only this ban, but also the fact that there may still be several detainees inside the airport. we have got no word from the customs and border patrol agents
that are here that are handling this, on what their status is, on who they are, on how many there are, so, of course, people hearing that have become upset. not only that, but obviously with this immigration issue, with donald trump issuing that executive order, with the victory that a lot of protesters feel they won last night, there is increased fuel on this fire for all of these people to be out here to continue chanting, to continue fighting, to continue resisting and so that's what we have seen, pretty solid for now the last five hours or so, but, again, access points to the departure lanes of three terminals shut down. there is a police line across the street, trying to keep people back to hold the flow of traffic. gates have been set up around the perimeter, around parts of the airport. the scene here, quite frankly, is hectic. under control. people are passionate, but not angry, and this will continue for some time. nobody really is going anywhere at this point.
back to you. >> steve patterson in los angeles, thank you very much. we'll check back as events warrant. democratic attorneys general across the united states have been pushing back against the immigration order. new tonight, a joint statement, from 16 state attorneys general, calls the restrictions unconstitutional, un-american and unlawful saying religious liberty will always be a better principle of our country. that was organized and released by the new york attorney general eric snyderman. he joins us now by phone. again, as i said to many folks involved in this tonight, thank you for making time. i know it is busy. let me start, mr. attorney general, with what you are doing. your office has been working with those detained. what are you doing over the course of this weekend? >> well, we were immediately in touch with the lawyers who were seeking to represent the folks that were detained. offered assistance in matters as basic as trying to get them the
identities of the people who were detained. we have -- i've been speaking to my colleagues around the country and this is really not a normal liberal versus conservative hitch. this is really an issue we view as a fundamental challenge to the rule of law and our constitutional structure. we're all of the opinion as is every federal district court addressed the issue that this executive order is riddled with constitutional questions and infirmities. and we are convinced as are most lawyers, i think, this is ultimately going to be struck down by the courts. in the meantime, the way this order was ruled out with no notice, no training, no guidance to the folks at customs and border patrol has produced chaos. that's what's fueling some of the anger of the demonstrations, that the -- lawyers are unable to get to people seeking to represent or unable to get
information on who is being detained. it is -- it is a real challenge to -- the sense most of us have in this country that we're a nation of laws, not men, and we -- there has been a strong emotional response. but our office is sticking to the law. we want to make sure that no one's rights are being infringed on wrongfully because of an executive order that every court has look eed at it implemented stay. >> will you sue to try to have it struck down? >> we're looking at all options. the standing of the individuals are being detained is clear. we're looking at the issue of whether this order is doing damage to the state of new york
as an entity, because we do have -- there are a lot of people who work in our academic institutions, state agencies, we have hundreds of students in our state university from the seven countries on the list, so if this does damage to the state of new york, in and of itself, we may well join the litigation, but we're certainly going to be involved in it one way or the other. >> so you're examining the perspective of sort of new york's interests and new york government as to whether you will sue president trump over this? >> and we're also in touch for the lawyers of the individual detainees. we will be involved either in an amicus capacity or -- as well as damages to the individual detainees. >> given your expertise as a litigator, i'm curious what you think the best argument is to strike down this law -- i mean
this order. >> well, there are -- the order has quite a few provisions and different provisions are vulnerable to different attacks. certainly banning a people based on religion and the way it is drafted identifying muslim majority countries and saying we're going to ban people from these countries, but if you're a religious minority in that country, we're going to favor you getting out, that looks like a muslim ban. >> let me pause on that point to understand what you're saying. your argument is that even though the order doesn't say the word islam or muslim, its application would operate to largely prevent the muslims from those countries coming in, but allow the christians from those countries in and that looks in execution like a religious ban? >> it reads like it and there have been statements by mr. trump and other people in the administration indicating that there was an intent to favor
christians over muslims in this. and that's something that just is -- raises issues with those the free exercise clause. >> president trump says tonight that this is not a muslim ban. is he wrong? is he lying? >> this might fall into the category of alternate facts. and i also do want to note that the supreme court has held that even if you don't specifically name a religion, if in practice a law has the effect of discriminating based on religion, it is equally offensive to the constitution. so the fact that this identifies countries and loopholes for religious minorities in those countries, makes it look a lot like a muslim, and there say separate issue with banning people based on nationality. that's something that relates to the immigration, nationality act, which we thought ended the shameful practice of having quotas from different countries.
>> we're about out of time, which is why i apologize for interrupting. never interrupt a prosecutor or a judge is the usual rule. but just to get clear on the final point, when you say that those are alternative facts, the president claiming tonight that it is not a muslim ban, you're saying as attorney general of new york, considering suing here, that the president is incorrect to claim that this does not discriminate against muslims. do i have you right on that? >> i think the way we read this and with all the different provisions, it does seem designed to target muslims. and that is offensive to the constitution. so we can argue about how you characterize it, but its effects has such that, again, every court that looked tat put a stay out there on it, 16 attorneys general representing over 130 million people saying we're confident this will be struck down. >> the courts have stated with regard to those caught in the airport. they haven't stayed the larger ban going forward.
>> no. but it is pretty -- it is i think pretty remarkable that -- and different courts addressed it, there has been uniformity of action on behalf of the courts and i think that, you know, this is something that is not going to withstand constitutional authority. this is what courts are for. the important thing is for the federal government to understand that the executive branch is subject to the rule of the courts, and that the courts rule that something is unconstitutional, they have to abide by that ruling. >> new york attorney general eric snyderman on what has been a busy weekend for you and your staff. thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> we're going to take a quick break here. looking ahead, we have coverage on the unfolding situation. reaction from other attorneys involved in this fight. and a look at protests that continue to unfold as night falls around the country. stay with us.
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welcome back tour special live coverage. we're looking at some of the protests in new york city, 6:22 p.m. crowds gath gaering and airport protests continuing. joining us from new york city is rehema ellis. night has fallen. we're seeing a lot of people remaining. what is going on where you are? >> what's happened here is that the crowd has thinned out. it is just a fraction of the thousands who were out here
earlier. some still lingering here, not far from foley's square and they came here to talk about their displeasure with what you can hear behind me that refugees are welcome here. let me turn so you can see what are the signs that folks have, and that says, you know, no hate, no fear. refugees are welcome here. this has been a very peaceful, very respectful crowd. people started at battery park, it was warm and it was the sun was shining. and they marched into the sunset. again, voicing their displeasure, with the ban, and saying very forcefully, that they're not going to accept this ban on refugees, they say it is an assault on what america is all about. and they say this is the beginning of a movement to turn that around. ari? >> thank you very much. we'll check back with you. as we mentioned earlier, the white house standing by this order saying in a new statement from president trump to be clear, this is not a muslim ban
as the media is falsely reporting. this is not about religion. this is about terror and keeping our country safe. for more at the range of reactions to this i want to bring in betsy fisher, policy director at the international refugee assistance project. you have said your organization is seeing a lot of help pouring in and folks trying to deal with those who have been stranded or held up in the airports. let's take a step back. where does this fit into the bipartisan tradition of the united states. we have seen folks reaching back to george w. bush and ronald reagan talking about what was once a bipartisan tradition here. how do you view this. how abhorrent is the approach to the refugees in the new order? >> sure. thanks for having me. refugee policy and the warm welcome that the united states has spread out to refugees is -- it is a long bipartisan history. this program has long been
supported by people on both sides of the aisle, dating back to this program as we know it in 1980. and indeed far before that. the program under which iraps clients, the program they came here under originated by bipartisan legislation from senator kennedy and senator luger who is a republican from indiana. there is certainly a strong history of bipartisan support for this program. and it is only in very recent years and months that we have seen the issue of refugees be politicized and we have seen this kind of fearmongering. >> and when you look at the idea that the number of refugees could be increased or decreased, i want your response to something that trump officials have emphasized, which is these numbers go up and down, the long-term sweep of the order is to lower the total number of
refugees, except in the long-term, but not lower it to zero and it has gone up and down in america's history. what is your response to that? >> sure, well, the number of refugees who are displaced right now is at the highest number in history. the highest number since world war ii. and the number that this executive order proposes, which is 50,000, is the lowest in the history of the program, which was founded in 1980. so at a time when the need is the greatest, when we need refugee resettlement to show our support for our allies, like jordan and lebanon who are key allies in the middle east, when we need this to demonstrate that we will welcome people who are fleeing from terror, the number that is proposed here and the idea that we will lessen our very modest refugee program is very disheartening. >> and how many refugees admitted to the united states under this program have committed deadly terrorist attacks? >> i don't believe that any have.
certainly there has been a lot of rigorous statistical analysis to show that refugees are among the groups of people who are at least likely to commit crimes. and some of the least dangerous people to american citizens and more than that, this program promotes national security because it demonstrates two people who are fleeing from terrorism, that they have an alternative, that the united states will stand with them, and so diminishing or blaming people who are coming through this program really makes us less safe. >> your tabulation there is that it is zero or close to zero? >> correct. >> yeah. that's what we have heard in terms of the criminal statistics as well, which is a notable fact given where some of the debate is going about the security aspect of this to say nothing of the legal and moral dimensions that we also have been covering. betsy fisher, thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you very much. >> straight ahead, we have dallas mayor mike raulings on demonstrations going on in his city and a look at other demonstrations around the nation. (announcer vo) when you have type 2 diabetes
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i want to show you new york city right now, thousands of people on the streets, protesting president trump's executive order that would temporarily bar refugees and citizens. it is one of the many protests that have been taking place across the country over the weekend. some at airports, some continuing into the night, some planned. and some spontaneous. hundreds of travelers we can tell you have been blocked from entering the u.s. or boarding planes since this order went into effect less than 48 hours ago. some detained at the u.s. airports. and one judge ordered they not be deported and several others have interceded on a case by case basis. other breaking news, white house officials telling nbc news on an anonymous basis that green card holders are officially exempt from the order. that is it. that is the one sentence you see on the screen. that's all the white house is putting out. this following a chaotic weekend where language went back and forth about whether those residents would be let in or not. information coming to us as well
from jfk airport. three detainees have been released. we're trying to confirm the details. joining from atlanta hartsfield international airport is nbc news correspondent sara dallof. >> even before this protest was scheduled to get under way, hundreds of people began gathering. they have been chanting things like we are all immigrants, let them in. and look at what it has grown into in the past little while. thousands of people filling every inch of space. they're packed shoulder to shoulder, chanting, carrying signs as well. now, while this is going on, outside, inside there are teams of lawyers. they are waiting for at least two travellers that they're concerned about, concern that
these travelers have the potential to be detained today. 11 people detained yesterday. they were held and questioned for hours, eventually all were released, ari. back to you. >> nbc news correspondent sara dallof from atlanta. you're looking at dallas-ft. worth airport, the scene of more immigration order forests over the past couple of days. last night, mayor mike rawlings said he wanted to apologize on behalf of the citizens of dallas to travelers who are caught up in that chaos, which was caused by confusion over how to implement that new executive order from president trump. mayor rawlings joins us now. tell us what you have been dealing with over this weekend. >> it has been a long 36 hours. nine travelers were detained. the great news is all nine are out. i have met with each one of them, and met with their families, a lot of tears, a lot
of joy, a lot of anxiety, but, you know, not as much bitterness as i thought. these are -- these are -- they really appreciated the welcome once they got out, and were trying to move on. it is a bad policy, badly executed, you know, on many, many fronts. this is wrong. and i just told each of them, that's not the way dallas does things. and we were sorry. >> you're a big city mayor and there is nothing new about mayors battling with the president or the federal government over a range of policies, domestic and international and you're at a border state as well. international airport and all the rest. do you view this as part of the normal push and pull between mayors and the federal government or did this strike you as something different, even with differences over policy. >> i think this is a little different. most of the time we talk about really spending money, and infrastructure, and issues like
this. but we're dealing with a geopolitical issue here. and city like dallas is very, very multinational. and we are are are succeeding because we're economically growing on all fronts. we want to continue that growth. we're based on business. and we feel there is no reason to kind of cut off our nose to spite our face here. three of these -- some of these families had three kids at southern methodist university in microbiology and engineering and they were coming to see their kids. we want to have smart people living and working here in dallas. and we don't need this sort of policy. really for political sake and that's it. there is no proof -- >> the trump administration says this will make cities like yours safer. your response? >> we have not had an issue with any residents -- excuse me, any
refugees and, by the way, no refugees that were stopped here. these were mothers and fathers, business people, that just came, that had the green cards and visas necessary and so that's why i said it was badly executed as well. we can argue the refugee thing and i think it is bad policy from a human nature standpoint about what our city is. but i think we got to keep inflowing the intelligence we bring into this country from all over the world. >> what do you think of the protests and gatherings. you do your job either way, whether stuff it popular or not. that's what politicians tell us. for those gathering at the airports around can the country, what difference do you think it might make? >> i do think it makes a difference at dfw, we had 500 to 600 individuals that have been there from last night throughout the day. and they did it in a peaceful manner. but they did in a passionate
manner. that sends a signal to myself, to representatives, and in our district, to make sure they're sending the right signals up to washington. look, this has got to be worked out. we cannot isolate ourselves. we have to lean into the world. we have to open ourselves up, we have got to make sure we're safe. i want to be safe, just like the next person. but we had a great track record. our issues and safety as you know in dallas have not come from oversees. it has come from our backyard. >> all right, dallas mayor mike rawlings, thank you for your time tonight. still ahead, reaction to president trump's ban including some pretty choice words from a prominent professor. and now, i help people find discounts,
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lives. i was saddened and i'm heart broken. i am very thankful for the american people because i know americans do not want this. we are humans, raregardless of r race, religion, color. we are humans. humans are supposed to help other humans. that's what we believe. and i am so grateful to everything that is happening with the americans and with the help of all the people because they're helping. i don't know what to do at this point. i'm lost. they asked me. what should we do? i said, i don't know. i find the good people to help us now. >> some of the heart felt reaction pouring in. that was interestfrom a news co. tom wolf was holding with families of legal syrian immigrants refused entry to the u.s. despite their previously authorized lawful status. a lot of swift and immediate reaction to trump's order on friday. one of the most visceral on twitter from daniel dressner, professor of international politics at tufts.
he points out the order came on holocaust remembrance day and talked about how this is hitting home in his community. tell us more about that. >> well, i'm part of a synagogue that had worked together to sponsor two syrian families who were supposed to come into the country with the idea that we would through the charity of the synagogue help to resettle them, help to get them integrated into the united states, transition them from what had been obviously an awful situation in the civil war in syria. on holocaust remembrance day we received an e-mail informing us that due to the executive order, neither of those families would be allowed to enter the country. which as someone who is jewish and is fully aware of the meaning of holocaust remembrance day and the failure of the united states to accept large number of jewish refugees back in the late '30s, seems like an awfully cruel irony. >> what was the rest of the
community's reaction? >> i would describe it as pretty angry. and upset. i was in the rally in boston today. and soin response to the execute order. i would say there must have been 15,000 people on copley square. that's first protest i've ever gone to. so i'm not normally the protesting type. so this is probably something that motivates people who wouldn't want to take a call to civic action to engage in civic action. >> you seem like you have a heart, but you don't seem like you would be out at every protest every weekend from your demeanor, though we don't want to profile you, but to your point, we are seeing people come out who are moved, who obviously see this as something well beyond politics or traditional activity, but something as many folks have told us over our coverage they see more about american values and ethics, not a left or right partisan thing. i guess the other question though from your international expertise, we talk about refugees who are we talking about? we saw earlier in the program,
the head of the refugee center told us there have been zero deadly terrorist attacks from people that made it under the refugee program. if there were one or two, that would still be something you have to measure up against overall threat assessments. zero seems look a good number so far. put into context for us who are these refugees. >> these are people who have been under -- who had to undergo the most rigorous vetting procedures to get into this country, into the first place. it takes approximately 18 to 36 months for someone who is a refugee and wants to enter the united states to pass through both u.n. strictures and u.s. strictures in order to be able to admitted to this country. you talked before about the way in which the executive order harms american values. what i think is truly unique about this order is that it doesn't just harm american values, it harms american interests as well.
if you are part of u.s. troops on the ground in either iraq or syria, you have to rely on locals in those countries in order to be able to advance u.s. interests in the fight against isis. how do you think those locals are going to react when they discover that if they're facing any kind of threat, they will not necessarily be admitted into the united states as a result of that. furthermore what do you think the reaction is going to be of our allies in response to this kind of draconian measure. i believe today, the iraqi parliament passed a law essentially not allowing u.s. contractors and u.s. journalists to enter iraq. so the only thing this does it accomplish a security theater where people who were already wildly overhyping the threat from refugees now somehow potentially feel better, but it has been implemented so ham handedly and so badly -- >> i'm going to pause there. you said something really interesting. security theater. what do you mean by that? >> a concept that basically
argues that really measures like this are not done to address actual genuine risks to american security, but rather done to allay wildly overhyped fears with respect to what foreigners might be intending to do. some people argue that a lot of what you see in terms of airport screening consists of security theater because there is not necessarily a ton of evidence that tsa protocols necessarily caught a lot of actual terrorists trying to get into airplanes. but that is -- that makes a much more sense than the executive order that was implemented on friday. there is no evidence that -- no one from -- if you implemented these executive orders, these so-called rigorous vetting -- extreme vetting procedures that donald trump is talking about before 9/11, do you know how many terrorist attacks would have stopped since then? none of them. it really doesn't accomplish anything except potentially to make diehard trump supporters that really do believe that the
world is on fire somehow potentially feel a little bit better. >> that is -- it is deeply disturbing because what you're suggesting is that what we're seeing, some of the disruption, the chaos, the problems over the course of the weekend, are not a bug in the system, but a feature of the system, because it creates something dramatic for everyone to watch, even though as you're saying and other experts confirmed this over the course of our coverage it doesn't actually even target the places that have been the source of people who attacked us domestically. >> that's correct. though i would suspect that even the white house probably and as you can tell from the statements that they had to release today as well as i believe the department of homeland security secretary's statement today, i don't think they anticipated just how badly this was actually going to be implemented. >> right. you say that and there is the mix. maybe a desire for some version of some of this, but not to this degree. it is funny you say that. i have in my hand a brand-new breaking news dhs statement here that follows on some of the
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welcome back. i'm ari melber with live coverage of the unfolding changes and reaction to donald trump's executive order changing major aspects of u.s. immigration policy on a temporary basis. joining me is foreign policy expert steve clemens of the atlantic among other obligations. how are you this evening? >> doing okay. i just drove by one of the protests next to vice president pence's home where they had shut down mass avenue. but it was peaceful, but huge. >> interesting to know. some of our cameras tend to be focused on the white house and positions of government, which have been pretty peaceful, but we have been following some of those reports in washington and many other cities. steve, i will start with you, can't make it up, the latest unfolding changes. i mentioned this before the break, i'm holding in my hand what is new policy officially put out not anonymously as it was hours ago, but officially
put out under dhs, i'll read it for my viewers here. secretary john kelly from dhs on the entry of lawful permanent residents into the united states. he says, in applying the provisions of the president's executive order, i hereby deem the entry of lawful permanent residents to in the national interest. translation, people with green cards who were being held up in airports and elsewhere and being told potentially they might not ever get back into the country as of this weekend are being told here, sunday night, they're all good. walk us through what this means and why this is happening in such an unusual way, steve. >> well, it is unfolding in an unusual way because the white house initiated this executive order as you know and have reported without any coordination at all with any of the other agencies or departments involved. what is now coming out is people trying to right the ship. and just today, i have to tell you, it may sound silly to a lot of viewers, but the power crowd
in washington was at the alfaila club dinner the other night. i was at one of the after gatherings. with many cabinet officers, cabinet officers in waiting waiting to be confirmed and advisers directly to president trump and i have to tell you that even among those people they report that this has been a keystone cops operation, they are distressed. then when you get to the layer of senators and people like john mccain -- >> so you're talking about branches of government. so before we get to congress, you are saying that as of last night you were with what you're treat agency unnamed trump administration officials and saying their view was what? >> their view is that they see a keystone cops operation, in the white house, that they are now serving. and it has them distressed. >> and then you were going to say the reaction here in congress as we go into what will be a workday tomorrow. >> a whole line as i said on ms yesterday, whole line of
republicans as well as democrats, of course, but republicans lining up as they're hearing from thousands and thousands and thousands of constituents who are -- not only those being blocked, but those that are worried about other family members, and the confusion it created. so they -- you're seeing not only the white house as dan said collapse america's credibility abroad, but the white house collapsing credibility with congress in town over something that was uncoordinated. i think the general kelly right now, secretary kelly is trying to right the ship, particularly about green cards in which every major u.s. firm that is multinational and has a stream of talent going inside the united states and outside the united states is hemorrhaging right now and in shock. >> you talk about the congressional reaction, this was all done friday night for no stated or apparent reason. if the trump officials had told us why -- >> this was self-inflicted. >> we would report it. they haven't given a reason for that, this is odd.
congress, of course, and washington will wait back up in. but they called this a self-inflicted wound in the fight against terror. they basically said it was a self-inflicted wound in the war on terror. and they said that this was not vetted. here we are talking about the extreme vetting of foreigners -- >> another bit of information, ari. don't mean to cut you off. i talked to an omb, office of management and budget official today, who i can't name, but who said not only was this not vetted, but it was purpose -- this was not an accident. this was done purposefully. as omb was brought in, six hours or just hours before vetting they normally go through the process of not looking at whether it is legally right or what not, but looking at all of the impacts from staff and cost and other kinds of issues like that. they were -- according to this person, directly told we are not
floating this to any other agencies. that is incredible. >> let me slow you down. you're saying that basically the human relations and budget department of the federal government and the white house, you're being told anonymously wasn't in the loop? >> not -- they were not in the loop and they were told not to make anyone be in the loop. that this was a conscious purposeful decision to leave out all of the others. one thing to do it by accident because they're new. >> this was a current -- you're saying a current administration official telling you not only out of the loop, but told not to communicate about it. >> yes. >> steve clemens, thank you for your views and your reporting. we we benefit from it. appreciate it. we'll be back after a short break. my business was built with passion... but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing.
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