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moderators. >> that was a year and a half later. >> the hard hitting interview is at the heart of every show. if it's sunday it's "meet the press." >> that's all for tonight we'll be back for "mtp daily" fort are greta starts right now. breaking news tonight democrats rallying on the steps of the united states steps against immigration. lawmakers in the senate and the house front against newly president-elected president. country this past weekend and it's not just a democrats this issue is dividing many of the republican party. meanwhile trump administration is wrapping up it's defense. appeared to check up when talking about the president's
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order. >> i notice this chuck schumer with fake tears i'm going to ask who was acting woecoach, i don' see him as a crier, 5% chance it was real. but i think they were fake tears. >> outgoing presidents usually give incoming some space. his spokesperson saying president obama is hearden by the level of engagement taking place. kelly. >> greta, i can tell you this goes beyond democrat members of congress, senators and represent representative, it's many people deep in front of the supreme court. when protests are attracted
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here. supporters to show up. behind the camera there are protesters here, demonstrators here, those who want to have their voice heard, chanting different messages hoping that the white house will listen to them and perhaps change course. that maybe a tall order given what we heard from president trump this is a chance to try to show some unity and to try to show willingness to galvanize around issues. so many democrats were poised to fight nominee where they could or slow the nomination down. this issue has given democrats are way to speak out about things relating to travel restrr
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restrirks and signs that deal with the wall. supreme court upholding the freedom to assemble and freedom to speak. we have not seen the members of congress or senators yet. they are expected to do but the numberch people who just came out to be a part of it seemed to be more than i expected. >> is there any members of the republican party senate house there or expected to be there. two, whose going to be speaking in you know? chuck schumer top democrat and nancy nancy pe loss -- the way the executive order was crafted how the roll out went the issues relating to permanent legal
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residents of the under the circumstances. there's concern about how the trump white house handled it. it's an area that's worth pursuing of the i don't this will be bipartisan. expect it to be loud and get a lot of attention. especially after what was a bruising campaign season for them the trump white house is giving them something to rally around. >> thank you. k katelyn burns, karen, first to you, kelly talked about the found raising aspect of this. >> i think so. what we seen i think pretty much since the inauguration there seems to be this kind of culture
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of protests setting in for the trump presidency. i don't think we have seen anything like this. again it's early, we're only believe it or not, week three, it does seem like a permanent culture of protest that we have not seen since the vietnam war era. >> the march in washington and cities around the world. this other by president trump did come up fast, was it rushed out in your opinion? if so, why? >> there were agencies that did not seem to cult on. there's no evidence that
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homeland security consulted on. mattis is coming out to say they ought to make sure interpreters are not covered by this. in the regular process has not been gone through. did they want to go et it down in the first week. they don't like the swatmp, he will waive you off. >> good evening. sir. >> why are you there? >> i'm here because the president has put forth a measure that discriminates against muslims and refugees trying get to safety and that's not what america is all about. i think that at this point the congress has to stand up. people have to understand that
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president trump 95% of what he is trying to do cannot be done without consent of congress. so we have stand up republicans, democrats, independents. this is not about democratic issues about american issue. as i said many times in some countries, the people are afraid of the government. i think that what's going to happen in our country is the government is going to become afraid of the people as they stand up and make their voices heard. >> congressman he said when he was running he said this was one of the orders he was going to d. is there any sort of thought about that. we heard the adage elections have consequences. >> they do have consequences but not go against basic value of
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the instewses. our institutions are being threaten in every way. the right to vote. they told president obama they could not supreme court justice, i can go on and on, this is deferral a struggle for the sole of our democracy. that's what this is about. it's bigger than donald trump. this is what kind of democracy are regoing to leave for children and children's children. >> i'm with you in not giving judge merrick a hearing i would like to have seen him get a hear. tell me tonight will you be speaking to this group? >> no. i'm hear to be supportive because i want americans so know this cannot be a flash in the pan, it cannot be a moment greta, this has got to be a movement. we have to make sure that we
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uphold our democracy. a lot of people what has happened, greta, we have taken this democracy for granted. i have to tell you i have give it to president trump he has given the american people a major wake up call. >> what do you make of the fact president obama is speaking out so soon. typically they give space to one another. >> if he saw something wrong, he had to stand up. with over 50% favorability. this is so much bigger than them and trump this is about what their daughters will inherent with regard to our democracy. i'm glad that the president stood up. i want him to stand up some more. i hope he get to the microphone
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tonight. tomorrow we're going to see who he appoints, president trump appoints as recommends as supreme court justice. that should be interesting to see. >> thank you, very much. >> thank you. we have seen the protests this is exactly what president trump nominee trump candidate trump said he was going to do. >> right, that is interesting point. donald trump campaigned on the muslim ban. he said it over and over again. it's not a surprise that he would be doing this now. i think that democrats are facing this kind of reality gut check moment and for many the election is now -- the election results are real. i have been talking to democrat actives who say say donald trump motions over the past several
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days have galvanized base. you're going to see a lot of pressure placed on democratic lawmakers coming from liberal outside groups. i'm interesting to see what pressure they place on them. they want the lawmaker to defy trump at every turn. they have been facing this dilemma of finding places to work with trump. but also the past actions have given them little incentive to work with this president and possibly build a party through opposition. >> if you're just tuning in these are live pictures outside of the united states supreme court where there's a rally democratic leaders on the house and senate. karen, every time i look at the pictures, when i see the
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enthusiasm that democrats are showing, protests over the airport or the march, i think to myself former secretary of state must wonder where was this enthusiasm, where was everybody before the election? >> that would argue that she won the popular vote by close to 3 million votes. i think that it does speak to perhaps hillary clinton -- >> let me cut you off. lead lead leader pelosi is about to speak. >> good evening. everyone. thank you for coming out. -- is sound working? >> the sound working?
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>> no. >> i can hear you. can you hear us? >> no. >> the sound working? >> i think it is. >> good evening.. i'm proud to hear -- stand with the members of the house democratic caucus, seoon to be joined by the -- >> it's not on. i went to university of of wisconsin getting your mic to work is a plus. democrats having hard time getting the audio working.
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here we go. >> i'm proud to stand here with the house democratic caucus soon to be joined by senate democrats as well. that what the president did undermines our values. it's not in support of the oath of office we take to support and defend the constitution of the united states. -- can't hear? >> can you hear now? >> that doesn't do any good. >> try to get closure to. >> does it work better? >> no. >> staff, sound people, shall we sing this land is your land
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until they get this working? ♪ this land is your land to new york islands ♪ ♪ from the redwood forest to the gulf stream waters. this land was made for you and me ♪ >> that is how democratic singing because they can't get mic going. in the meantime let's listen to the singing. ♪ this land was made for you and me this land is your land from redwood forest to gulf stream waters, this land was made for
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you and me ♪ ♪ this land is your land this getting off to a walk ward start but they have having fun singing. look like i have the same problem. can you hear me? >> yes. democrats are trying to keep up with their base in some ways in terms organizing the rally and protests. so democrats are hoping to use this moment thankful in a a way to galvanize -- >> i have to cut you off. >> we shortly been jaoined by colleagues from the democrats.
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we share with you what the president did is not constitution gnat in the view of many of us is immoral. protect all of us, take an oath of office to protect and defend the constitution of the united states. what the president has done is not in the interest of security. it is reckless and rash to protect our constitution and our people we must be strong and smart. i have been joined by distinguish leader of the united states senate mr. schumer who share view of the importance of the words of the statue of liberty give me your tire, poor,
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hudded message, yearing to be free. diversity that the retial lieization comes from the it would be my time to introduce to very brave determined optimistic newcomers to our country, but first champion for the principals embody in the statue of liberty since our country began. i think all of you for coming. i ask you welcome the distinguish header chuck schumer. thank you. this order is against what we believe in this america.
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the order will make us unsafe. the order will make us inhuman and the order will make us less of america. because this order is what america is all about. it will make us unsafe because it will encourage those who are lone wolfs as they get more isolated. it would make us unsafe because the fighters overseas allies. nation of the world will no longer look up to us. most of us it is against what america is all about. america for its history has been a shining beacon and it has said we welcome you if you are
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oppressed because of your religion because of your political believes or who you are. the lady in the harbor holds a to your knowledge. that torch has stood for the greatness of america and the citizens of the world. we will not let this evil order extinctionish that order. we will fight it with everything we have and we will win this fight. >> let us hold our candles high at the statue of liberty, the lady of liberty, holds the torch high.
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we here tonight ask the president to withdraw this unconstitutional order. >> yes. >> now it is my privilege, our privilege to introduce omar with their stories, their courageous stories. >> the next we will have. >> senator chris murphy. >> senator harono. >> representative gary nadler.
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from the great state of new york. >> thank you leader. new york the home of the statue of liberty and the home of ellis island. those symbols are beaten and batter because of the man in the white house donald trump. when he signed his stupid executive order friday afternoon. it was -- i did not know people would join together to fight this outrageous policy and help those in need. that gives me hope we can overcome this dark time. we must overcome this dark time. we must overcome this little man in the white house disgracing our history and disgracing our
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tradition. we must continue to welcome people were all over the world that's what our constitution demands. that's what our law demands. that's what people demand and we will prevail. >> let's go back to nbc kelly ow o'donnell. >> there's a lot of emotions here this issues about what entrance into country, do strike passion in a lot of people. you take that on top of the woman women's march off a week or soing, there's been to use their voices to come together to bring their signs. we're seeing people who regularly come and protest in these situation and the word
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going out in short order the democratic flash mob bring people together outside. on the steps of the supreme court in the shadow of the u.s. capital. it's hard to engage other than the message that's important to counter president trump. there's steps congress wants to take, that's harder road. republicans want to see changes put not executive order some refining because it is temporary order in terms of the 90 days or 100 days in those traveling from the countries. there's reflect point coming when there could be adjustment with republicans and democrats work with the white housech we have not seen opens on the part of the white house to refine it. in talking with top officials
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they have said executive order was vetting properly by the office of legal counsel, department of justice they believe it is within the rights of the trump government to take these steps and they need to clear up what they consider to be misunderstanding on the part of the public about what happened. there's a really struggle in terms what it mean, who does it affect. there are energized people here. greta. >> i have give you political toxic task can you give me any idea how big that crowd is? >> i would say several hundred, i want to be caution we though that's hard to guess numbers. probably 20 deep behind the camera behind me on first avenue here in washington.
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it is by measuring of other big days we consider them for rules from the supreme court it is a large crowd. it has the benefit of being after work time. which often protests are not. people at their office or working on wanting to bring family members the timing is helpful for that. it's a healthy crowd. it goes beyond what the original plan having lawmaker talk about this issue it's expand far beyond that. >> thank you. you could see the u.s. capitol, for those who have not had the pleasure the u.s. is across the street from the u.s. capitol. tim, what are your thoughts as with you listen to the members of congress speak? nadler insuting the president calling him a little man twice. >> it shows that trump has done
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what barack obama could not do and put energy in the left. after anti-left george w. bush was signed, they turn their energy go out there becoming grass root force. that never materialized that wasn't same energy for hillary clinton because she corporate ties and she turned a lot of people off. jerry nadler knows throwing red piece out there is going to work. trump has done what obama when hillary could not do and turn the left into excited political force. >> the white house dubbed back a bill over the weekend saying people with green cards could come home. people who had agree cards and
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legally could be in the united states could not come home if they were out of the united states. how do you portray the white house reaction since the order was first revealed? >> i think any signs they were dialing it back they were heading other direction specifically at sean spicer briefing where he septembkept s the concerns about people getting detain was overblown it was just a small misskul fraction -- >> senator cory booker of new jersey of the democratic party speaking. >> every speaker -- enjoy the rights and privilege of
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citizenship. every generation face the choice do we let idea expand or retract do we let freedoms grow or retrench do we let love expand or be beaten by hate. this jgeneration has our test. there's assault on our values and can principles now more than ever we must choose to fight we must choose to resist, we must choose to stand up for what we believe in. now more than ever. now more than ever as donald trump procedures with an unconstitutional and immoral executive order we must stand up to this test and fight to make sure that the truth of america is known. i want this land point to be clear, nothing worthwhile is
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easy. the values we enjoy, the freedom we have were paid for by the blood, sweat and tears of our ancestors. we must other than them now. this fight will be long and difficult. but we must understand when somebody attacks muslim-americans they attack all of us. when someone attacks with prejudice, we must respond with love. so i call on everybody standing here those that can hear my voice that we now must be the determined to fight for the long haul. we must be determined to stand up for refugees, we must be determined to stand up against hate. >> thank you.
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>> let me go back to you. all the speakers say it's unconstitutional. the ban is a temporary one. benefit of the white house since it's not the permanent one. it's interesting to watch this. it does have the far left energized. >> that's true. going back to katelyn's point, you look at the way chuck schumer was talking after the election, the em sis was on we have to find way to work with president trump where our agenda are in line, like infrastructure. i think that any idea that donald trump was not serious in following through the things they campaigned on is pretty much gone now. that really has had the effect of really galvanizing the
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democrats, they have not talking about any kind of cooperation any more. they are shut out in power in washington. we saw in washington yesterday, tim kaine tweeted something like the sentiment we are hearing tonight. it's great for you to talk this way, what are you going to do about it. >> we're going to hear from the white house, ahead i'm going to talk to the architect stephen miller, he's taking here from the left and the right. he coming up live. he will tell you what he thinks about this. i have the worst cold with this runny nose. i better take something. dayquil liquid gels don't treat your runny nose. seriously? alka-seltzer plus cold and cough liquid gels fights your worst cold symptoms plus your runny nose. oh, what a relief it is. well this here's a load-bearing wall. we'll go ahead and rip that out. (husband)yeah? it's going to cause a lot of problems. totally unnecessary and it triples the budget. (husband)mmmm.
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of course, we are watching live the activity at the stairs of the united states supreme court. these are the democrats rallying against the white house, against
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president trump new executive order on immigration. the white house today is pushing back against criticism steve bannon got a seat. -- who now might not attend some meetings. former aide to president bush, karl roef was not allowed to attend meetings this is crazy. sean spicer president obama chief strategist did attend some meetings. >> david axelrod walked out the meetings frequently. not just et ling people go in willy-nilly. this administration is trying make sure we don't hide things. >> major bob joins us.
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>> hi, greta. >> what we're talking about the one layer down the principles meetings the difference is the joint chiefs of staff will not be at anyone, he can attend if he wants. is that your understanding? >> yes that's my understanding. there's been a lot of media hype swirling around in the beltway. -- that's inclusive, that pushes politics off the table, that communes with the president and offers his advice. these are life and death conditions that they have to address. by the way, given the
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uncertainty of the world, they may have to start tomorrow. excludeing the wrong people could get people killed in the short term. >> the only different between this white house meeting, this second layer down, is it joints chief of staff may attend some of them. i think you can hop in once -- stephen bannon involved in the political arm in the campaign is going to attend it. i don't know what his roll is at the white house. that is going to attend them. the one thing i have to hand to the trump administration as well obama, at least we know who going to the meetings. >> that's absolutely true. the signal that this sends is my concern.
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the national security is conduit. and in the recent history we have seen nfc done well and badly. a example was george mcbundy when we pushed aside the -- >> in terms of the message to the military the joints chief of staff will be present. >> the sausage is made at the principals meetings there's where it's unscripted that's where the members can voice their opinions, that is the part that's inclusive, that's where ideas are exexchange -- >> the joints chief ares not banned from that, right. >> no. the role of the chairman in the
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wer are here to defend the constitution of the united states. we are here to defend our moral foundation. we are here to live our values to fight for our values, today and tomorrow and for as long as as it it takes to restore the bas basic decency and vision of this country. this is who we are. >> -- demanding repeal president trump controversial travel ban. senator saying wrote, it's properly vetted.
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the administration need to make pro visions. >> they have undeasy and have concerns. stephen, you have get to respond to all of this. it's unconstitutional. unmoral, how do you respond to all of this? >> i don't know where to begin, let's start with where senator warren said about the constitution. what she's doing attacking undermining the constitution of the united states and jepd sizing the rights of the -- foreign country to have a constitutional right to demand entry into the united states with that entry the right to all of the taxpayer benefits all of the other benefits that come with being a member of american society. if it kpigted, that would many
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anyone who denied a visa in a foreign country could sue the american taxpayer and demand all the money in losses. no such rights exist. every time we suggest it does, it weakens the rights of the american today. >> i think that was the might be constitutional right she talking about the discriminations based on religion. >> the executive order takes a list of seven countries, pt obama administration identified as having to safe vetting information. travel re -- we used that as
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basis for the this executive action we put in place the measures we need to protect the american people. 80 million people visit this country every year, through air, sea and land. the idea that we cannot impose restrictions for the sake of national security defines common sense. do you think it's unrule in a clumsy manner. i hear for instance, secretary ka kelly was not part of the process. do you have yn assort of regrets or thoughts how this was rolled out? who vetted it. whether congress was involved in it, anything at all? >> no. the -- false, in some cases --
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the men and women of custom and border protection have done an exemplary job. processed and 109 was detained that's a great amount of efficiency. >> did president trump talk at all to president obama and what do you think about president obama making a statement? >> i don't want to criticize president obama and make a lot of news. he has his eight years in office. we're beginning the trump administration now. the reality is the most constructive thing for this country to do, constructive thing for observer to do is work
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together so we don't continue to have terrorists attacks like san bernardino or end in permanent of american live. if we don't act strongly today, that is what will happen down the road tomorrow. >> what efforts are going to be made to put "the lid" on this emotions. >> people can have whatever response they want to. the eploegs i feel is the emotion for the americans who have been separated from the people they love because we fail to use proper vetting and proper enforcement for many years. lawful americans have been killed because we did not do what we need to do in the past to enforce laws and tough vetting. my heart goes out to people who have been inconvenienced and
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people never ever knee the people they love because the government did not do it's job to enforce the laws and protect the people. >> we are getting sally yaits. ley is a hold over from the president obama administration. she said as the apgting attorney general she will not defend the executive order. >> i'm aware of that. it's a further demonstration how politicalize our legal system has become. as you know, power of the president. the ability to exclude any clause of would-be visitors based on our security of interest. the president has that authority. the executive branch are able to make those determination. the government has the right to control entry into united
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states. it's sad that the politics have been politicalized you have people refusing to enforce the laws. satter still you have a situation where the previous administration i don't want to bring up the past, lifts removed, eliminate sections of immigration law it was not considered by many in the media to be matter of controversy. now you have us using enforcing the law, now engaging in misguided political protests with individuals at highest level from the prior administration. what is extreme vetting? >> deliberate, incident, and across the board. it means simple that we as a country ask whatever questions need to be issed to ensure those coming into the country love our country, love our people, support our constitution,
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contribute positively to the american live. it is impoorly vetted can larm the country and cause suffering for innocent people. we want the former, we will do everything we can to prevent the ladder. >> would that include will there be extreme vetting for refugees? >> as you know united states has admitted millions in past decades. particular migrants who are in poor or difficult circumstances. the united states will continue to have a refugee program but the program will be more vig or rous. implicated in terrorists
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breaking news, the acting attorney general sally yates. let's bring back political panel. first to you, what she does admit that the office of legal counsel went through the order from the white house and that she claims that the review is narrow whether or not the proposed order lawful on its face her job is broader. so that she says she not going
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to defend it. but tomorrow is the judiciary committing voted on general sessions. >> that's a important backdrop o to all of this. the administration went through with the executive order. he culted key cabinet official but without back up -- >> had the office of legal counsel which job review executive order form legality before they are issued before the words of the acting attorney general. >> this speaks to the broader messaging failure or oversight of the administration not having sessions in there to back up the trump administration was a concern particularly on this order we're supposed to be hearing from the white house tonight. the white house pool is reporting that there will be some kind of statement on this
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order. but donald trump does not have his team in place that will affect some of the messaging and administrative thing involved in this order. >> was the -- weigh in on this pursued in court the court will slow things down quickly. so i assume this would be in sessions lap? >> what you didn't see in any of the court rulings what you didn't see in yates announcement that she won't enforce this is action this is legal. this was a bad policy. if you read the act it gives president broad authority do this. warren and yates saying this illegal, disobey what the law
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is. >> thank you for watching. see you tomorrow tonight. follow me on twitter @greta. "hardball" with chris matthews starts right now. no religious tests. let's play "hardball." good evening.. tonight casualty of this travel ban. everyone in the world now it's directed against people of one religion. our friends know and are hurt by it. our enemies now it and are excited about it. will trigger others to radicalize. think about when


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