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if i can see lindsey graham say make america great again with a smile on his face, everything is possible. >> the world is upside down. >> i want to apologize to ted for saying he should be killed on the senate floor. >> dogs and cats living together. that will do it for me this hour. i'm katy tur. kate snow picks things up for us right now live on capitol hill. kate? >> hey, katy. nice to see you. good afternoon, everyone, i'm kate snow down in washington this afternoon. top stories at this hour, let's start with the breaking news. a senior administration official telling nbc news that andy puzder is expected to withdraw
his nomination for labor secretary. a senior republican source on capitol hill says of the nomination, quote, it's dead. more on that in just a few moments. also this afternoon, a first, president trump finally publicly defending now former national security adviser michael flynn, the man he essentially fired. according to the president, flynn has been treated unfairly by the media and the president said illegal leaks from the intelligence community were a problem. all of that during a high-profile state visit from israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, and newsmaking press conference as well, both of them hinting at changes in policy when it comes to the palestinian and israeli peace process. is the so-called two-state solution a thing of the past? and what about settlements in the west bank? the president talked about that as well. the latest coming up. it is a busy, busy news day with late breaking news and we're in the best place to be, washington, d.c.. our team in place to break it all down for us. we're going to start right next
to me here, kasie hunt, thank goodness, is on capitol hill, has been following -- >> always here. >> -- the bouncing ball today. >> yeah. >> the latest news on andy puzder, this comes after days, really, of sort of building angst, right, about his nomination. >> i would almost call it weeks, kate. didn't take very long for it to become clear there was concern behind the scenes. this hearing, of course, still hasn't happened. it was finally scheduled for tomorrow. we've seen even many of the other controversial trump nominations already go through that process. >> even his paperwork didn't get through, right? wasn't coming in. >> there were rumors early on that he was considering withdrawing because there were senators who felt like he was t wasn't, you know, being forthcoming in turning things over in doing his divestments. because that was a significant part of the process for him. but there were a couple things late in this process that really turned the tide, one, in the course of the nomination process, they learned he had hired an undocumented housekeeper. so that's an issue that has plagued nominees in the past, there was even a previous labor secretary nominee who had a
similar issue who ultimately was not confirmed. but one really interesting piece of this story is this video from the oprah show that shows puzder's ex-wife who made allegations against him of domestic violence. we need to make sure -- >> this is years ago. >> years ago. in 1990. they were divorced in 1987 i believe. although i'd want to double check that. you're taking a look at this right now here. we need to -- it's very important to underscore here that eventually she recanted these allegations and he's always denied allegations of domestic abuse, just to set that out there. this video did become an issue in his confirmation process. it was screened privately for senators up here on capitol hill over the course of the last week or so. and then publicly, it was released this morning in news reports. so that's something that has changed in the last 24 hours for mr. puzder. >> even though she has said, no, this never happened, the fact that she once said it was
problematic for republican senators? >> clearly it's part of an overall puzzle that, you know, ultimately caused a number of republican senators to have concerns. we do know there are two prominent women republican senators, senator come nllins, senator murkowski. they sit on the committee that was set to have this hearing for mr. puzder. they're people we're told they certainly had not yet come out and publicly said they would support him. they were publicly still on the fence waiting for the hearing, and that number seems to have grown and of course, the challenge for republicans, they didn't want to put a nomination on the senate floor that they knew -- >> that would fail. >> that would -- yes, that they knew it would fail. >> okay. kasie, hold on one second. let me bring in kelly o'donnell over at the white house. kelly, what's your sense from the white house in their stance in all of this, did they support him withdrawing? have they said anything? >> reporter: well, from our sourcing here, multiple sources in the administration and those familiar with what the president has been saying and doing on this matter, that they cowell
see that this patchwork of problems was going to present a wall too high for andy puzder to clear a nomination. and that is not saying that any one thing was the determining factor, but as kasie laid out, when you have complex issues, it becomes a point where it is just too great a risk, too early in the administration. there has only been one other person nominated who has withdrawn, vincent viola for the secretary of the army. that had to do with his financials not wanting to -- not being able to sell off some of his considerable assets in a way that would permit him to go forward. for puzder, these are issues that are much more complicated and much more reflective on him and his past conduct. or issues that senators would have a very hard time ex-braplag and that's raleally where the political tipping point came. the white house has been aware of this, not sure exactly how they are going to proceed gua forward, we're not hearing what the steps will.
part of that, keep in mind, benjamin netanyahu is there, a high-profile event for the white house. at times you have sachings whit where the white house, any white house would want to showcase its preferred topic of the day and with the hearings scheduled for tomorrow for the labor nominee, that gives us a bookend that is critical here and so there's a clear awareness that this nomination will be withdrawn. that allows puzder to remove himself even though if he had not been prepared to do that voluntarily, my sense from talking to sources is that it would have been coming from the white house that his confirmation process would come to a halt. so this is a high-profile problem. one that can be replaced by selecting a new person and getting that one confirmed. it is not unusual in the grand sweep of history to have one or two nominees fall. but this is certainly more bad news on top of a number of other challenges. and so for puzder who's a prominent businessman, this has also been a very public time where these questions about him have been raised.
kate? >> right. kelly, if you'll stay with us, i want to ask you more about the other news of the day in a moment. let me go to jeremy peters who joined us in the russell rotunda on capitol hill. kelly just said this, i wanted to pick up there, she said this is more bad news on top of bad news. this is now, we had the resignation of the national security adviser, and now we've got them withdrawing one of their nominees. what's y sense of how the white house deals with that? >> the white house from what i'm told was always very worried about puzder. he and betsy devos were their two most problematic nominations, one problem, the teachers, org nice e teachers. organized labor. puzder, it was more the service workers -- >> on the minimum wage issue. >> absolutely. don't think it's by accident that this tape of alleged allegations of domestic abuse surfaced. this was a very coordinated campaign and came at a time when
the left really needed a victimpvictim victory. interesting to see how they absorb this, process this. when it didn't look like they were going to be able to defeat a nominee, it's going to be a mobilizing, galvanizing factor. >> let me go back to kelly for a second, kelly, if you're there. we need to catch up on what happened this afternoon. the president standing with benjamin netanyahu, prime minister of israel, and being asked about flynn, general michael flynn and what happened there? what was -- this is really the first full-throated comment we've gotten from the president. >> reporter: what is so notable about what the president said in the east room with his very prominent guest and friend, the israeli prime minister, is that the president gave praise to flynn and suggested that his undoing was the result of media coverage with no discussion of flynn's culpability in being dishonest with the president and the vice president, and the american people by extension. no sense of the lack of trust that was put forth by the white house as the ultimate reason why his resignation was demanded and
accepted. and so for the president, it almost sounded like yesterday had not happened in a way that he have all seen these events unfold. here is how president trump described general flynn before this east room event. >> michael flynn, general flynn, is a wonderful man. i think he's been treated very, very unfairly by the media. as i call it, the fake media, in many cases. and i think it's really a sad thing that he was treated so badly. i think in addition to that, from intelligence, papers are being leaked, things are being leaked. it's criminal action. criminal act. and it's been going on for a long time. before me. but now it's really going on. and people are trying to cover up for a terrible loss that the democrats had under hillary clinton.
>> reporter: and it raises a question, is this the president's loyalty toward flynn whom he worked with for a very long time and we can presume had a personal connection with, that he would speak highly of him, or is there a larger concern about not wanting flynn, now outside of the white house, to speak more broadly about events inside the white house? what's the reason for the president to simply ignore the issue for which flynn was dismissed in this venue when it would have been an easy opportunity for the president to explain why he asked for the resignation, in whatever words he would have chosen, and instead he gave praise to first big-name dismissal from the trump administration. kate? >> kelly, stay with us again. i want to turn back to kasie hunt and jeremy peters on this question about michael flynn and what's happening up here today because it's been all the talk. lot of democrats, chuck schumer among the most prominent saying we need an independent investigation of everything. of general flynn, russian
contacts. there's the reporting in "the new york times" overnight saying that there were multiple contacts from trump friends or people in the campaign orbit with russia during the campaign. our reporting is a little bit more nuanced than that at nbc. where do we stand in terms of hearings, in terms of investigation? >> at this point, the investigation is still in the senate and the house intelligence committees. and there's an advantage to that from the perspective of the investigation because they have access to classified information. keep in mind, these investigations started as broad looks into russian meddling in the u.s. election. so what we've learned over the course of the last 48 hours is republic coops ans said in the we're going to expand the scope of what we're looking at to include the contacts flynn had with the russian government. we learned that yesterday from roy blunt and mitch mcconnell. >> on the senate side of things. >> on the senate side, at least.
where it's expekcted the house n many ways will follow suit. now it's likely most of that if not all of that testimony would be behind closed doors. and that's a key piece of this for both democrats and republicans. because even though the intelligence committee might be able to dig out more information, they decide later on what to release to the public. so democrats want to see more of it. and now you're starting to see calls from some republicans who say, i think the key difference between today and yesterday, is this allegation that flynn during the campaign had contacts with russian intelligence officials. or excuse me, i should correct myself, that people in trump's orbit had connections with -- >> not necessarily flynn. >> not necessarily flynn specifically. separate from flynn's conversation with the russian am ba ambassador considered in the normal course of transition business. has lindsey graham saying, okay, if that happened, we need to havejeremy, that is -- this is very complicated. what she just mentioned is part of apparently a department of justice inquiry that's already ongoing.
right? so separate from what congress is doing -- >> exactly. >> -- the fbi's doing something. >> right. it's beginning to look a lot like benghazi in a lot of was and a lot of ways it s's certaiy not. >> democrats are making those -- even today we heard an analogy, robby mook, former clinton campaign manager said it's like watergate. >> okay. >> which is a political statement. >> start -- being a tad hyperbolic i would venture. i think there's a big question just how long the republicans in congress are going to be able to withstand the pressure for an independent investigation. now they may be able to. we know there's not exactly a ground swell of activity back home in these republican districts to investigate the republican president. on the other hand, if this constant drip, drip, drip turns into a geyser of bad news, scandal and chaos for this administration, that's going to start dragging down these members back at home and that pressure will build. >> and the other thing is, in it starts to prevent republicans
from being able to move their jaebd agenda agenda, that's why they're willing to work with trump, a little bit of fear of their base, also they want to do tax reform. they have a president -- >> it was obamacare. >> exactly. they're trying to keep their heads down and do their work and hope everything down the road at 1600 pennsylvania turns out okay. >> yeah. >> we're now getting to the point where this is kind of blowing up into something that may go past them being able to stand in frosnt of a camera and say i don't comment on donald trump's tweets if that makes sense. >> kasie hunt, jeremy peters, kelly o'donnell at the white house. thanks to all of you. really appreciate it. getting new pictures in of benjamin netanyahu, israeli prime minister, breaking the white house. breaking news of andy puzder expected to withdraw his nomination for labor secretary. up next, much more on the fallout following mike flynn's resignation, republicans join democrats for an investigation into the now former national security adviser's communications with russia. all of that after a quick break. looking for clear answers for your retirement plan?
back now on a very busy news day. what you're looking at here is the departure of israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu leaving the white house after meeting with the president and holding a joint press conference with president trump. i want to welcome in a group of experts now who know a thing or two about what they discussed this afternoon at the white house. john negropone, ambassador to honduras, to mexico, to the u.n., to iraq. also the first director of national intelligence appointed
by george w. bush. and a former deputy secretary of state. up next, christopher hill was ambassador to macedonia, poland, korea, most recently, iraq, and he's now author and the dean of the joseph corbell schools at the university of denver. p.j. crowley, former assistant secretary of state, now an author and professor at the george washington university. wow, we have credentials here, gentlemen. let we start to my left here. we heard last block kelly o'donnell playing the sound of president trump talking about flynn and the resignation of mike flynn and commending him and accusing the media of creating a negative narrative about him and saying this is lle about the leaks of classified information. your take on that? >> first i do think leaks are a part of this situation, and in the sense that it's unbelievable that top-secret intercepts are being released to the public the way some of these sources,
whether they're intelligence or law enforcement, seem to be doing. on the other hand, i think that mr. flynn brought this situation upon himself by not telling the same story each time and eventually there was so much squirrel around that that i think he had no choice but to resign. important thing, in my view, is the president now proceed with the selection of another national security adviser so we can fill this critically -- see this critical post filled. >> p.j., the overnight reporting in "the new york times" and our reporting at nbc is that there were some number of contacts between people in the orbit of president trump back during the campaign, and russia. that's being investigated, apparently. is that a large deal to you? is that something that is critically important to get to the bhot tom oottom of? >> i think there are multiple things going on here. there is the interference that
russia clearly did during the 2016 campaign and every indication here on capitol hill is that that is going to be investigated. i think -- i think there has been, you know, discord, you know, between the congress and the white house in terms of the implications of this, and obviously whatever contacts did occur during the campaign is a subset of this larger issue and i think this issue is going to stay with us and i do think that it probably is going to narrow, you know, president trump's options when he does start to build a relationship with russia. his aspiration is fine. i want to have a constructive relationship with russia, by the same token i think he's beginning to recognize and certainly ambassador nikki haley at the united nations has been firm in terms of what the united states wants to see from russia. i think over time, the president is going to have to temper his expectations is russia is likely to be a key antagonist for the
foreseeable future. >> how do you think this is playing with allies, overseas partners? >> i think there's a great deal of nervousness about this. first of all, it is typical in a transition for there to be discussion between embassies and incoming members of the new government, but from what we can tell, from what is pretty clear now, mr. flynn's contacts went well beyond that norm and i think will be a fit subject of a lot of investigation. as allies abroad look at this, they kind of wonder, you know, who's in charge? is this thing organized? you know, it's one thing to kind of shake things up as was often said in the campaign but not usually in your national security council staff. that's really what is going on right now. so as ambassador negroponte just said, it's important to get on to a new person who can run that and kind of get it into shipshape and prevent these kinds of things from happening
because the world is looking at this and they're looking at this with increasing concern. >> i want to get the three of you since i have all this expertise in one place, i want to get the three of you to weigh in on what happened with prime minister netanyahu this afternoon. this is donald trump, president trump talking about building of settlements in the west bank. he said he didn't think that was a great idea. and then this is what else he said. >> so i'm looking at two-state and one-state and i like the one that both parties like. i'm very happy with the one tha. i thought for a while the tw two-state looked like it might be the easier of the two. honestly, if bibi and if the palestinians, if israel and the palestinians are happy, i'm happy with the one they like the best. >> ambassador negroponte, a lot of people heard that and thought, okay, this is years of talk about a two-state solution kind of out the window now.
do you think that -- >> i wouldn't say that. >> you wouldn't say that. >> no, i would say, first of all, this was a warm embrace of the prime minister of israel which is to be expected and i think positive and good, especially after president obama's refusal to veto the security council resolution just before he left office. >> right. >> which condemned israel. that would be the first point. the second on the negotiations, i think that was his way of tipping his hat to the parties and says we're going to respect whatever they can work out. interesting feature of this, this will be my last point, would be that he mentioned the idea of maybe some regional element to this situation. in other words, getting -- >> involving other -- >> exactly. implying that other neighboring and arab powers be involved in some kind of peace outcome and i think that would be a very positive avenue to pursue. >> ambassador hill, do you see it as positively as that? >> i can't say i do. first of all, you know, any negotiators in a mediating role, that's what the u.s. is, you
know, there's a point at which when nothing is happening, nothing is going forward, you say to the parties, look, we think this is the best approach, but if you, too, want to come up with something, we'll live with it. so i understand that sentiment. usually don't express it so publicly. and not so publicly about a position that has been there through republicans and democrats and, frankly, through the decades. so on the one hand, there's some positive sign that we have a president who kind of understands what's been going on, and wants to -- wants to sort of get off this sort of stuck position that we've been on for a long time and see if there's another way forward. so i understand that, but, you know, i think people are kind of looking for some commonuity from understand, sense that we want to go forward on things. where we understand that things have happened before. you can't just say history begins with me. so i think, again, i think it's
a little worrisome, and it's especially going to be worrisome to the palestinians, certainly they welcomed president trump's comment about, you know, maybe slow up these settlements, but i'm not sure it was quite enough. and i think it is very interesting today that we have reports that the cia director has been talking to the palestinians. >> right. apparently having a secret meeting over there. p.j., the president did seem to kind of shock netanyahu a bit when he said, i think the quote was, hold back on settlements for a little bit. he also said that israel needed to show that it, quote, really wanted to make a deal. so there was a little bit of pushing netanyahu as well. >> well, there was. i think the -- you know, being open to the one-state solution, you know, does represent a fairly significant adjustment in terms of the american posture. you know, because a one-state solution forces israel to make a very, very difficult choice. is it going it be a jewish state, is it going to be a
democracy? depending how you define a one-state solution, that could be a very, very difficult choice for israel. what was unstated today is that whatever the two parties coming up with, the reality here having been in the room during the obama administration, you know, during the early stage s when w thought -- >> you tried to do this. >> -- a negotiation was possible, there was no rapport. the reality is i think it's right for the president to come back to this issue but we have to have modest expectations, it probably is going to take a leadership change on both sides before we see the possibilities because right now, quite honestly, the israeli government as it currently exists is not wired to make compromises on peace and the palestinian division between fatah and hamas is not wired, you know, for a negotiation, either. so some things will have to change on the ground, you know, to make it possible for us to
move forward. >> so interesting to have degree per spe three, mr. negroponte, christopher hill, and p.j. crowlpy. up next, more on the breaking news of andy puzder withdrawing his nomination from labor secretary. our stephanie ruhle knows him. she'll join us after the break with new details. the future of business in new york state is already in motion. companies across the state are growing the economy, with the help of the lowest taxes in decades, a talented workforce, and world-class innovations. like in plattsburgh, where the most advanced transportation is already en route. and in corning, where the future is materializing. let us help grow your company's tomorrow -
reporting. >> reporter: it's interesting, we heard up until now, remember, andy puzder took a long time to get his paperwork in, there was controversy surrounding him, there may have been allegations from his ex-wife that were later withdrawn about some sort of spousal abuse. there were issues with having a housekeeper that had been undocumented and taxes hadn't been paid. the assumption had been, listen,thy guy has a lot of controversy swirling around him, people on the left aren't comfortable with this, those on the right didn't necessarily like his stance on immigration, he was pro-immigration, he liked the low-wage labor force. i actually spoke to another ceo in the hospitality industry who said that's not the case. he said this is about policy. andy puzder, like some of the other cabinet members president trump has chosen like a steve mnuchin has actual business experience specifically in labor and over the last eight years one of the many things that hampered employers is regulation over overregulation. national labor force board is
supposed to be a neutral body and over the last eight years according to this other ceo, he said it had been very, very left leaning, favoring the employees. and it's easy for us to say, kate, listen, don't you want to do right by the employee? but employers also need a balance there, and if they have to adhere to restrictions or regulations that are cost pribipri predictive, they end up cutting jobs. what i heard was the real reason or one of the reasons mr. puzder might not have gone through would have been moderate republicans who said, listen, i kae can't handle the labor unions in my state who are going do push back against this. while tlthsz therehere's a lot t could be about policies he was li looking to change. >> stephanie ruhle, thanks for the late reporting. i want to bring in congressman john garamendi from california, a democrat. you are nodding your head as stephanie ruhle reported that. she's talking about moderate republicans. you're a democrat. >> that's correct. >> you had/concerns.
do you think that's on point that members were concerned about going back home and having labor unions say ei don't want this? >> this is the lab eor secretar. the labor secretary ought to be supporting working men and women, minimum wage, work rules and all of that. i understand you got to have some balance here but this is labor. working men and women. this fellow came from the other side. his records on working men and women is certainly not good. a problem with the democrats and also the republic ans wrepublic face them back home. >> a reporter earlier said it was the first scalp. >> you have mr. flynn and this situation, it's not about scalps, it's about getting good people into these jobs with the kr correct balance that can grow the economy, provide good jobs for men and women at decent wages. that's what it's all about. flynn, national security adviser, became a national
security delegate. bo threat. boom, he's gone. he was a problem. this is a different situation with the labor secretary. >> they'll have to find someone else now. do you think you'll be able to support -- >> i have no idea. we'll see who he puts up. >> i have to ask you while you're here, the reason we asked you to come in the first place, the area you represent in california is a district that contains some of the towns affected by the oroville dam situation, right? obviously people know that we're in a waiting game. it looks better today, but you've got rainy weather coming. >> all correct. 150,000 of my constituents had to leave town. had to leave marysville, yuba city, about 15 miles downriver from the lake. oroville, not in my district, 15,000 people. if that 30-foot-high concrete wall would collapse, there would be a disaster. 100 feet of water over that town within a matter of an hour. >> they've been taking helicopters, as you know, and bringing bags full of boulders. >> rice bags, actually. >> rice bags. putting those -- it looks kind
of primitive when you see what they're doing. will that work? and is that a long-term solution? >> oh, absolutely not a long-term solution, but it is an immediate solution. what was happening, as that water spilled over this temporary -- the emergency spillway, it was eroding the foundation of that 30-foot wall. fortunately, they were able to expel 100,000 cubic feet per second lowering the lake, stopping the water from going over the emergency spillway, stopping the erosion. now those bags, thousand pounds of rocks in those four different holes, to stabilize the situation. it is temporary for sure. >> the white house says itst 'sy they need infrastructure spending. >> they're quite correct about that. it's not just this dam and rebuilding,ft levees in california. downriver, there was a major flood control effort in place, $70 million spent to shore up the river. you get a 30-foot wall of water coming down that river, it's a wipeout. >> nothing can hold it back.
we hope for the best for your constituents obviously. hope they get to get back home safely. >> they're headed back home but have to be prepared to leave. now rainstorm coming in. >> congressman john garamendi. nice to see you on capitol hill. thanks so much. up next, an undocumented mother of three u.s.-born children now seeking refuge in a church to try to avoid deportation. the latest developments on that fast-developing story up next. busy your life can be. ow mom: oh no... tech: this mom didn't have time to worry about a cracked windshield. so she scheduled at safelite.com and with safelite's exclusive "on my way text" she knew exactly when i'd be there, so she didn't miss a single shot. i replaced her windshield giving her more time for what matters most. tech: how'd ya do? player: we won! tech: nice! that's another safelite advantage. mom: thank you so much! (team sing) safelite repair, safelite replace.
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we're back now with an update on a story that we've been keeping track of all day on m msnbc, undocumented immigrant woman, mother of three american-born children living in denver refusing to check in with immigration for an appointment believing she would be deported. gadi schwartz has been on this story all day long. gadi? >> reporter: right now we're at the first unitarian society in denver, where the vizguerra family has been seeking refuge, where they were last night when they told us they were contemplating the decision on whether or not jeanette vizguerra should check in at i.c.e. today she made the decision to stay here and made that decision to be with her family after seeing what happened to another family in phoenix that was -- they saw their mother deported. right now, we talked to roberto last night, the son of jeanette. we're here with him today. roberto, i want to ask you, how are you guys doing today? >> we're doing fine, but when we heard about the decision that
i.c.e. made that they denied her stay, it really impacted us because we thought it was going to be good news. she was going to stay with us. we were all happy in the morning. when they said that they denied the stay, we got really sad. >> reporter: it's you and your two sisters, right? you guys are now here with your mom? >> yeah. >> reporter: were you -- were you nervous that they might come here and try to deport her? are you nervous that that might happen? >> yeah, but i was sure my mom was going to be safe because i told her she's in a safe place and they can't deport her in here because that would just be really disrespectful. >> reporter: that's what you told your mom. so you're giving your mom comfort. got it. how about your sisters? what are you telling them? >> my big sister, se got really impacted when they said two really bad things, when they said that my mom's stay got denied, that impacted her.
and when they said that they considered her now as a fugitive, that impacted her really bad, too. and she started to cry and i was telling her it's okay, my mom's going to be fine. she's safe here. >> reporter: okay. thank you so much. thanks so much for sharing that. one of the things that her attorney has said is there are two pending applications for stay right now in this case. they have one that's in congress, it's a personal bill for jeanette vizguerra and the other one is a "u" visa, she was a victim of a crime, denver police have signed off on that "u" visa but it is still pending in the immigration court system. the family says they're going to be fighting the deportation court order from here within the church. kate, back to you. >> gadi schwartz out in denver. gadi, thank you.
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break, we got now two high-profile people dropping out, resigning in the last 48 hours. that can't be great for this white house. >> yeah, the timing is pretty bad. look, you're always going to lose confirmation or cabinet post positions. that's typical, but you're right, it comes right after the flynn, which i can only describe as a fiasco. it would appear that the -- flynn would still be there had not the "washington post" broke the story and what has come roaring back, kate, is the need y med media. if there was a fight between trump and the media, the media won. >> he said today, the president, that it was the media's fault, that the media is maligning general flynn. >> exactly. he undercut sean spicer today because sean spicer went out and made it a point of saying over and over again there was a lack of trust, that he lost trust. then trump basically said today, i trusted this guy, he's a great guy, and it was the media's fault. >> that doesn't make any sense because trucmp knew about flynn lying to the vice president two
weeks ago. and he let this go. and then the white house has tried to craft this as trump putting his foot down and pushing flynn out, and then trump says what he says today and tries to blame the media. and i think what you're seeing right now is a white house that is very much on the ropes, that is having a very hard time figuring out how to do crisis management. they don't have their facts straight. and they're putting senior officials out there to say things that they really don't know anything about or have the facts about and that's going to come back to bite them, you know, it's biting them right now. >> doug, i've been around capitol hill this morning and talking to republicans here and some of them well say, wait, flynn is out now, this should not be a giant controversy and people like senator schumer and other democrats, nancy pelosi, they say are making this into a controversy. they're creating a controversy. >> that sun believable. we had the russian government interfere and meddle in our election. and that is a fact. and they did it to help donald trump. i was at the dnc when we had
our -- when we were hacked and was put up on wikileaks. and this was done to benefit one person. donald trump. and this has never happened before. it is a watergate-style scandal that we should look at. at. we don't know all the facts. that's one of the reasons why i think you need to have a select committee. and if the justice department's going to investigate this then there needs to be council. >> you think it needs to be a special council? >> i heard angus king this morning and he was probably right, we already have a select committee on intelligence, the people on the select committee already have the clearances, already have the relationships, are well under way, and they're prepared to do it. i thought roy blunt, senator blunt was pretty direct about getting a thorough investigation done. you know, but there are arguments for a select committee. >> should it be open in public
and transparent. >> the argument is they can't say the same things in public that they could say behind closed doors in the intelligence committee. >> well look, i think that there is a need for the public to really have an understanding of why is trump so closely tied and has such a strong affinity to vladimir putin? why were there conversations by his former campaign manager paul manafort? why was carter page, another trump official talking to russian folks? we have no idea why any of this stuff is happening. and it's not normal. this is not typical behavior by a kban. >> and what's making it actually worse is trump seems to be at war with everybody. he's at war with republicans, democrats, he's at war with the intelligence community. and they will win. he will lose if he's at war with everybody. and their war in the white house, there's a crisis of competence, they can't gather themselves together. all white houses are under a stress test.
they are under a significant stress test and they're trying to get out of the white house. >> and again, i'm just here for date, but i'm getting the sthaens some republicans around here are going, oh my goodness. >> yep. >> would you agree that there are congressional republicans starting to get fatigued? >> as doug said, it's russia. if flynn was dismissed for any other reason, it would have been ended, but the fact is the russians were interfering in the election. we know this. the fact is flynn and probably others were in ongoing discussions with the russians during the campaign. for what purpose? i understand that sometimes campaigns do talk to other government officials, but not on an ongoing basis. >> constant contact. >> pete williams reporting is different. it's not constant contact -- >> in the transition, the number one agenda item would have been the sanctions. he would have had to be prepared to talk about sanctions. >> you asked him. and the president would have to have known in my opinion -- >> and i think that's a
question. who asked flynn to make that call? that's one question. but then the larger question is, what's the why behind all of this? why is there such a trail between trump and his associates and russia? and we don't know. this is not typical -- particularly for republicans who have been very strong fighters up against russia for years going back to ronald reagan, now we have a president who is turning that whole, that entirely upside down. >> we have to leave it there, doug, rick, thanks for being with us. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> nice to see you both. after the break, more on president trump's comments about settlements in the west bank. those directed right at israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu this afternoon. american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next.
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this afternoon, president trump and his meeting with the israeli prime minister said that israel should hold back for a little bit on settlements in the west bank. for more i want to bring in republican congressman lee zeldon of new york, he's a co-chair of the house republican israel caucus. let's talk about what was said in that meeting today. there's a lot to break down. on this issue that i just mentioned, the president sort of putting netanyahu on notice and saying you need to hold back for a little bit on settlements. was that the right course of action? >> it's dint with a statement that was put out about a week or week and a half ago from the white house. talk about the two-state solution, historically it is this land that is taking place.
where israel has in the past shown a willingness to compromise large swaths of land for the palestinians to have their own state. so it's an understandable position that we seen the white house take here over the course last week and a half. >> did you walk away, i don't know how much you had a chance to hear after a joint press conference. did you feel heartened nay might be able to move towards that? >> there was great chemistry there. you could see that there's a desire to strengthen the relationship between two men and two countries. so that's very positive. there was a candid assessment with regards to the other side of the table. >> palestinians not in the room. >> i've been met with the prime minister, the palestinian authority, he said for example to me then and this is still their position. no uncertain terms. they will not recognize israel as a jewish state. there are certain aspects of what really needs to be agreed
to on both sides in order for there to be long-term peace for there to be a viable two-state solution. if there was an election right now, hamas would win the election. so there are some complications here all over, but you know, as far as the activity goes, ting just gets back to the point, the activity is taking place on land that israel has historically used for those negotiations. >> i have to ask you about the news of this afternoon. andy puz der is going to withdraw his nomination. just did i'm told in my ear, just happened, just now.der is w his nomination. just did i'm told in my ear, just happened, just now. you're a republican, i don't know where you stood on this. were you supportive of him? >> i just learned this as i was coming over here that that was possibly happening, and i heard some stories or some theories as to why. so i'm looking forward to
getting a confirmation as to why it happened. >> there were concerns on minimum wage, joins were up against him and personal issues. >> there was a pretty active mobilization effort taking place. i saw one video that was put out by the president of the flcio. so they're certainly -- >> so you're not surprised. congressman, nice to have you. thanks for coming by on a busy day. that wraps up this hour. i'll see grow msnbc headquarters in new york tomorrow, 3:00, eastern time, noon pacific. you could always find me on snapchat and twitter and instagram and all of that. up next, steve kornacki back in new york. >> thanks for that, good afternoon, i'm steve kornacki here in new york, day 27 of the first 100 days. puzder out. big news breaking this afternoon.