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cancer. in the 36 hours since congressman chaffetz said we need to repeal health care because of iphones, his unlikely opponent back home has quadrupled. she raised $80,000 in a blink, she said now she's officially in the race to unseat him. congressional republicans are blowing with it their plans to repeal the affordable care act. what they rolled out as legislation is very clearly d.o.a. dead on arrival. in some cases they may be doing the same to their own careers. that does it for us the tonight. we will see you again tomorrow. lawrence, i'll sorry, i took your 34 seconds. >> but you used them so well. and you ramped them into george will who is coming up who is one of the republicans who predicted they would get in this kind of trouble. here, i have a tweet for you.
it is the december 15, 2011. more peel attend jon huntsman rally than watch lawrence on msnbc all week. which part are you laughing at? >> i love how much he loves you. he's so fixated on you. >> oceans to say he's very lonely. my show will be kanscancelled a men now. and jon huntsman as you might have heard is no longer, at least today, being insulted by donald trump on twitter. he has actually chosen him to be ambassador to of all places, russia. >> and if his twitter insults are, proceed how he had goes in the future. >> who knows? that's exactly right. the part where he says, lawrence
is very lonely. rachel, he used to care about how i felt. that was kind of touching. >> i'm so glad it's you and not me of. >> well, sometimes, it only takes one. and lindsey graham might turn out to be the one republican senator who does the most damage on donald trump: >> purported details released by wikileaks of how the cia is able to turn personal at home devices into poet end eavesdropping tools. >> is the cia listening to me through my microwave oven? >> no. >> if they were, would you say yes? >> yes. >> under his predecessor tapping his phones. >> trump said it was particularly upsetting because he's a private man who likes to
keep his thoughts to himself. >> it would be great if there was a, any evidence presented. >> you can't fact check crazy of. >> is the president the target of a counter intelligence investigation? >> that's what we need to find out. >> had he said it was attempted. >> russia attacked united states of america. >> russia is a ruse. >> they've interfered with our internal affairs. they tried to influence our election. >> i love wikileaks. >> i got a chance to look at some of raw inteler product. >> this is a major deal for the country. i want to get to the bottom of it. >> the worst day of the presidential campaign for the president is the day he got caught admitting to crimes on
tape. >> i better use some tick tacks just in case i start kissing her. you know, i'm automatically attracted to beautiful women. they let you do whatever you want. you can do anything. >> no republicans were more offended by that video than utah republicans. in hours of breaking news coverage of that situation, when it broke that night, utah congressman jason chaffetz got on the phone with me that very night to give us his reaction. >> my wife and i, we have a 15-year-old daughter. how in the world can i look my 15-year-old daughter in the eye and say, honey, you know what? your dad endorses donald trump for president. i can't do that. >> utah senator mike lee posted a video on facebook saying this. >> mr. trump, are i respectfully ask you with all due respect to
step aside. step down. >> and former utah governor jon huntsman, who is also a former ambassador to china for president obama and a former presidential candidate, retracted his endorsement of donald trump and he told the salt lake tribune in a campaign cycle that has been nothing but a race to the bottom at such a critical motel for our nation and with so many who have tried to be respectful of a record primary vote, the time has come for governor pence to lead the ticket. jason chaffetz got over it pretty quickly. we invited him back on the program to explain how he talked on his daughter about it. we are still waiting. tonight, president trump will nominate jon huntsmanner as
ambassador to the most important country in the world, well, i should say the most important country in trump world. the most country by most measures is the united states of america. the most important country in trump world is russia. and jon huntsman, if he is confirmed by the senate, will therefore have the strangest job in the world. communicating, often directly with vladimir putin on behalf of a government that, unbeknownst to jon huntsman, vladimir putin may to some extent control. that's the question. how much of the trump the gov does vladimir putin control if any? by all appearances, vladimir putin is in complete control of what donald trump actually says about him. >> putin is a nicer person than i am. >> well, he certainly has better manners than donald trump. who doesn't?
donald trump, whose most the reason violation of his oath of office was to accuse president obama of a crime, has never accused or even publicly suspected vladimir putin of committing a crime. how much influence does vladimir putin have over donald trump? if the answer is none, then so be it. let's move on. to one of the many other trump scandals. if vladimir putin does have some influence over donald trump, how did he get it? is the never to be released tax forms which will soon be in the custody of the irs, actually appointed by donald trump. congressman jason chaffetz who could never get enough of investigating hillary clinton has no curiosity at all at the center of the putin relationship. no curiosity about the nature of the trump campaigns.
he doesn't want to know answers to, what did president trump know about that communication and when did he know it? there is hope tonight for lindsey graham's soul. because he is one of the very few republicans in washington who has not yet sold his soul in its entirety to donald trump. >> president trump claims president obama's administration targeted his campaign, trump to you, in the tweet. i have no knowledge of that but he challenged congress to help him. so let's help. >> he wants to use congressional power to get to the bottom of a tweet. he wants congress to investigate a donald trump tweet. because donald trump's staff challenged him to do that. donald trump's white house staff, which is is the worst staff in washington history, and
i don't just 19 worst white house staff. the worst staff in washington history including all congressional staff in history, all department staff, all agency staff in the history of washington staffs. we've never seen a more breath takingly incompetent clubhouse than the trump staff. they actually asked for a congressional investigation of the president. there are many more things i could say to prove this is the most incompetent staff in history but that one sentence will do. now lindsey graham has gone around the chairman of the senate judiciary committee, chuck grassley, who doesn't want to investigate anything. and linlds why it graham has written a letter to the sgrarmt the head of the fbi co--signed by sheldon. they have investigated
everything they can know about donald trump's tweet. it says we will take any abuse of wiretapping authorities for politicaler purposes very seriously. we will be equally alarmed to learn a court found enough evidence of criminal activity or contact with a foreign power to legally authorize a wiretap of president trump. lindsey graham signed this letter in his capacity as chairman of a subcommittee of the judiciary committee. he signed as a senior democrat only same committee. sub committees in the no power and they do next to nothing. the senate has sub committees mostly so the title of chairman can be spread around to people who would like to be able to mention it back home on the campaign trail. the chairman of the judiciary committee who does have power, chuck grassley, never would have written that letter.
chuck grassley knows what the staff doesn't. investigating any one thing in the matrix of trump scandal could easily unearth something else. something worse. something much worse, or even many, many things much worse. no one trying to protect donald trump, like jason chaffetz or chuck grassley wants an investigation of anything. throughout his life, it has been patently obvious that donald trump's worst enemy is donald trump. now it is very clear that there is a tie for donald trump's second worst enemy among sean spicer, kellyanne conway, reince priebus, and every other inthe competent working in donald trump's white house. joining us now, the former fbi
operative and author of how the catch a russian spy. he worked against russian military intelligence and an msnbc contributor. also with us, white house correspondent for politico. and just to the point of lindsey graham and the letter today, they are asking to the people who would know. was there ever an authorization of any kind to the people resembling what some would call wiretapping in relation to wiretapping trump tower. >> i don't know how many more times we can go through this. it is very clear. either there was a wiretap because there was evidence of a crime or it is just fiction that has been created frye the nethers of the president's mind. i don't know where we go from this. the sanls, either there's a
crime and someone is investigating, or it's just vapor ware. >> it seems everyone who had wants to bet is betting on donald trump's imagination. to go with lindsey graham's construction with the letter, how shocked they would be to discover that donald trump had actually done something worthy of getting this kind of surveillance on him. let's just go with that for a second. and this is the first time i've done it. i think it all came from donald trump's dream in the middle of the night. could donald trump be in a position to say, give me everything you have on this. tell me everything about how this came about. will. >> we have to separate, there are two silos here. one is foreign intelligence collection. as we saw with the ambassador,
they routinely tap the phones of foreign targets. so it is very possible there could be a wiretap, if you will, that groms a foreign nonu.s. person which relates to the president or someone else. hypothetically. you don't need a fisa warrant for that. the second is the law enforcement activity. someone has gotten a warrant to surveil an american american. the only place the president could declassify this is the first one. foreign intelligence. it is very possible that russians were speaking to donald trump. >> let's listen to this new interview out of mike pence being asked about this. >> they said the president has alleged that the former
president committed a felony in wiretapping trump tower. yes or no. do you believe that president obama did that? >> well, says pence, what i can say is that the president, and our administration are very confident that the congressional committees in the house and senate that are examining issues surrounding the last election, the run-up to the last election, will do that in a thorough and equitable way. so yes or no. the words yes or no don't appear in mike pence's answer. but here's someone saying, do you believe donald trump? now the way it's phrased, do you believe president obama did that? it is donald trump, mike pence's boss, who said he did it. do you believe donald trump is the question mike pence cannot say yes. >> it's a naunl answer. if he believed it, he would have said yes.
it's the same thing we've heard from sean spicer and every surrogate the house has trotted out. they have no facts to back this up. they have to say the president said it. he is confident in it and we stand behind the president. will i think you can tell that the public isn't buying it. this is a please wakes up in the morning and tweets back and forth with fox and friends. so saturday morning he wakes up and sees this on breitbart. they've written about a conservative diatribe on this. if they had evidence, they would have rolled it out by now whach lindsey graham is doing something, most of the time we take presidents at their word of the we take them literally. so he wants to get to the bottom of it. but most people understand, there is no bottom. >> it seems like the americans
want to get to the bottom of the essential question. what about thor ties to russia? a few quinnipiac poll shows 66% support for an independent commission investigating possible trump camp russia ties. >> i know they were trying to say how smart they were off the record. it seems that their position has not yet outstarted the american public, two-thirds of which want what the white house doesn't want. >> and remember back to last friday. donald trump was livid and yelled at his staffers. polling today shows that americans wanted jeff sessions to recuse himself. they don't trust the justice department and they don't trust the republicans on capitol hill to carry out an independent investigation.
that's part of the fault. it was sort of a surrogate. when fbi director comey couldn't come to their defense and speak publicly, they trotted out nunes thinking he's been briefed. and it shows the degree to which it has all been politicized. i think it is understand panel americans want an investigation of this. that quinnipiac poll shows some bad news for jeff sessions. did sessions lie under oath? 52% say yes. 40% say no. thank you both for joining us tonight. i really appreciate it. we will soon find out if the greatest deal maker in the word can convince conservative republicans to vote for donald trump's version of socialism.
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try succulent new lobster mix & match or see how sweet a lobster lover's dream can be. there's something for everyone and everyone's invited. so come in soon. socialism is hard. that's what i said when the democrats didn't have a single vote. >> social itch is ambitious. it is an attempt to change a condition for the better. sometimes it works. sometimes it disappoints. medicare and social security are our most popular forms of socialism in the united states but given american and economic literacy, most people don't know
that there is anything even slightly socialist bik those programs because in america socialism is a bad word. always has been, as will be unless of course bernie sanders wins the presidency someday. that's why politicians must always deny that what they are proposing is socialism or socialist knick every way. the actual difference has been for the last several decades not been between socialists and anti-socialists. the difference has only been the degree to which they support social the i have interventions in the health care system and how much money they're willing to spend on them. the democrats have always supported more than the republicans have. so in general, health care legislation over the years has always been a matter of democrats proposing something that republicans would try to reduce in scope and cost.
what we have rarely seen are republicans actively trying to write their own socialistic intervention in the health care system which is what they have now done. that means republicans have gone from criticizing it. now trying defend their own legislation on health care. so the republicans have now discovered that socialism is hard. even watered down socialism. it is so hard that the republican party is coming apart over their attempt to rewrite obamacare. >> if you just look at the bill, the first paragraph said it amends the affordable care act. it doesn't repeal it. the american people want to us repeal and replace it. >> it seems like the onlier constituency for it is washington and maybe some of the, in companies.
i don't see how this bill goes anywhere. it certainly doesn't have 218 votes. i think they are basically taking obamacare framework and trying to call it a republican piece of legislation. >> congressional republicans always planned to repeal obamacare as soon as they got a republican president. now they have a republican president intanltive to detail here will sign anything put in front of him including executive orders drawn up in a flash by people who have never done it before. so their only excuse now is that socialism is hard. >> joining us now, singled indicated columnist, george, you saw this coming. we're watching people trying to do something that historically they've never had their hearts in. this kind of intervention in the marketplace. the fact they're trying to do on it a less grand scale than the
obama plan, doesn't seem to have made it any more republican looking to some of the members. >> with, here's where we begin. before the affordable care act was passed, 50 cents of every health care clar in this country was 50 cents. we're talking about regulating 1/6 of the american economy. the health care sector is larger than all but five national economies in the world. it is a big problem which is why it is as you say, hard. if you begin as the republicans do, accepting as the country does, the barack obama premise the chief metric for measuring the worthiness of a health care reform is universal access, and then if you add to that that you're going to have a snem which pre existing health problems will not preclude someone purchasing insurance, and then if you add to that that you're going to bud us a system
that exists in which 147 million americans get their health care from their employers, with special taxt preferences for that. if you start like that, you are bound to create a system of regulations and subsidies that's very complicated. different regulations than mr. obama had and different subsidies but the same architecture. you notice now, the republicans are saying the congressional budget office which may not score this in a way that's could not jean yell to them. i has a history of being inaccurate. yes, it does. that's not because it was staffed by people unintelligent. it's complicated. it he shows the law of unintended consequences, which is that the uned intended consequences are amount to be larger than and contrary to the
intended consequences. fiddling with health care is like touching a cadder manitoba. you touch it here and it jiggled there. so they're up against the problem that i would rephrase. you said socialism is hard. i would say it is self-defeating. it is so hard that it should not be tried. >> and there is the difference between the of two us on socialism. i'm willing to go with the experiment. but george, in your view, you've watched the clinton crusade. the obama crusade. all of these crusades that have moved in this legislative arena. one thing i noticed about the clinton crusade was there was some disent that would come out here and there among democrats and that was part of what doomed it. last time with the obama effort, they seemed to contain it.
so we weren't able to do shows like the saying here are the five democrats who have come out and attacked it today. when you see publics out there on day one attack this legislative vehicle, based on the models we've seen in the past, it is hard to see how it proceeds. >> the freedom caucus is composed of about 40 guys and gals who know why they're here. they are conviction politicians. they did not come off the a banquet, a feast eating words they've spoken for 30 words or so. the head of the freedom caucus, who you just had on in a sound bite is mark meadows. the time he first came to the attention of the nation is when he, using a not very well known legislative procedure called the motion to vacate, started the process that led to the resignation of boehner.
these are serious people. i don't think they will roll over quite as fast as mr. trump may expect them to. >> about the rolling over, the presidential roll in that is to be a combination of intimidating and then somehow rewarding. if you vote with this president, it will do you some good somehow in your re-election campaign for something else you want. it is hard to see in that calculus what donald trump has to offer that bill clinton didn't have to offer to get it passed, or what donald trump has to offer in comparison going forward. >> that's correct. we're just talking about disent within the republican congressional delegations. will 31 state's exhibit pann, expanded medicaid. we're facing a huge budget hole
if it is not respected. so they'll be receiving pressure from state houses in columbus and east lansing michigan and elsewhe elsewhere. >> thank you for joining us. i really appreciate it. >> glad to be with you. >> coming up, the best selling author, the book to movie guide. michael lewis, money ball, the big short. the best book to movie guide has been observing donald trump. he's also beening are executive decision making and leadership. with e*trade's powerful trading tools, right at your fingertips, you have access to in-depth analysis, level 2 data, and a team of experienced traders ready to help you if you need it. ♪ ♪ it's like having the power of a trading floor, wherever you are. it's your trade. ♪ ♪ e*trade.
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greatest i go nornlt one to take the oath of office has always defended his ignorance when he's been flattened by facts by claiming that he has a leadership quality that is so much more important than the command of mere facts. >> trust me. i'm like a smart person of. >> i do have a lot of common sense. >> he's smarter and works harder than any of us. >> i have a very good brain sflfl my primary consultant is myself and i have a good instinct. >> he has great instincts, great intuition. so much so that he is now the president of the united states.
>> i understand things. i comprehend very well. okay? better than, i think, almost anybody. >> better than almost anybody. our next guest michael lewis has study studied this. his latest book, the undoing project. he offers this take on donald trump. trump has proved no more accountable for the words he speaks than for the money he borrows. he lies in the most sensational ways without the usual concern of what might happen to him when his lie is exposed. his life strategy has always been to maximize the returns for himself in the moment while assigning zero value to future consequences of his actions. joining us now, michael lewis. thank you very much for joining us. i really appreciate it. >> pleasure to be here. >> there is something about assigning zero value to the future of your actions that's a
little scary in the presidency. >> do you think? >> so give us your analysis. you've studied some of the best executives in their various judgment capacities and how they do it. how much is instinct, how much is learning, how much is stuff they've stayeded. give us your read of what you're seeing with donald trump of will. >> well, the natural contrast is with obama who i spent quite a bit of time with and wrote about. this is a man that, the contrast is very revealing. when he got to the job, he came to appreciate very quickly that it is a decision making job. and the decisions you get, they arrive on your desk. they're horrible decisions to make. that's why they're there. and these are probablistic judgments you're making and the people you're advising are all talking their own book and you have to take that into account.
you have to watch your own biases when you make your decisions. you have things to need to guard against. you're prone to mental error. this ability to watch himself that i think served obama and other presidents well, trump doesn't have. he scores himself. he grades himself. had and he doesn't have, and he's got -- it's a delusional quality, right? what he will do no, matter how whatever he decides turns out, he'll tell himself a story that it was all a great success. so he doesn't, he is not accountable to anything but his own feelings but himself. it is a very strange thing to watch. >> does he reaccept bled anyone else you've ever studied? >> he is similar in some ways to
what money ball replace in the baseball. the kind of trust your gut instinct thing. >> the old idea. >> that even though it was possible to dig out data that told you exactly why a baseball player was valuable, or if he was valuable, instead you deferred to some guy staring at a baseball player saying, i like that guy. we should get that guy. and it was quickly proving when people started useding data better that that was an inferior way to make decisions. at the very least, you wanted information as a check on your judgment. so he does remind me a bit of the people that billy bean, the heart of money ball, ran circles around. as he guy who makes stupid trades because he trusts his judgment. whatever that is. without in it reason for it. you know, to compare trump to
old baseball scouts is really not fair to old baseball scouts. because i think that at some level, they always had a sense that this was a matter, that they knew they had been wrong enough to be guarded when they made their assessments and they needed the deniability at the end of it. and trump doesn't seem to have any sense of that. so we're in a very peculiar situation. the person who is the decider doesn't have the equipment to make good decisions. >> another defense of the old baseball scouts, they brought as much fact based analysis to it as they could. they didn't realize there was a whole other mountain of it out there, that massive statistical analysis could help with. we have to squeeze in a quick break here and we'll be right back. donald trump as an old baseball
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i think we're going to see someone go to jail. break up the banks. the party is over. >> i don't know. i don't know. i have a feeling that in a few years, people will be doing what they always do when the economy tanks. they'll be blaming immigrants and poor people. >> that's the brilliant movie, the big short, based on michael lewis's book the big short. michael, you know wall street. you've studied the swamp aspects of wall street that donald trump talked about during campaign. he told them he would drain the swamp. do you think he has enough
goldman sachs guys to drain swamp? >> he doesn't know what he's doing. right? he said he will get rid of dodd frank. what does that mean? it's unclear, what's unclear to me is if the people who he's brought in, the goldman sachs people, have any ability to talk to him about the details of the subject at hand. it is not clear that they want to get rid of dodd frank. the noise they've made about like, letting the banks loose is insane. i think we're going to get to where he's done with health care, i didn't realize it was so complicated. and maybe not much will happen. but it is, it's breath taking
that we're not, the financial crisis is a living memory. and it was a story of a really horrible incentives baked into the system that led the big banks to do things they shouldn't have done and brought them to their knees. and now we're trying to let them loo loose. >> what would you say is the single biggest thing at risk in some of the biggest proposals you've heard about what they want to do to dodd frank? >> well, you know, there have been so many things said. if i was monitoring it from afar and not willing to read the dodd frank regulation, and a concerned citizen, i would watch first. they don't change leverage requirements on banks. the equity requirement should be even a greater than they are. at the very least, they would not be reduced. the vocal rule. some republican dozen say the
rule had nothing 22nd the financial crisis. these big banks loaded up on sub prime mortgage risks. it was hard to know who had what. that was at the heart of crisis. the rule that for bids them from turning themselves into hedge funds using taxpayer money, that's a very important thing to keep in place. the consumer financial protection bureau. that makes imminent sense to have a watch dog. >> michael lewis, thank you very much for joining us and giving us finally the key to the mystery of donald trump. anyone who really wants to understand donald trump had better go back and read "money ball." if you're lazy, watch the movie. michael make penny or two either way. and the new book, "the undoing." >> coming up, president obama responds to donald trump
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hello. >> we have to write a movie or something. >> what the hell are you talking about? >> the birth certificate thing. we're like rivals no. we're not. i'm an expresident and you're an insane person. >> that was conan's version. president obama actually rolled his eyes. and there is more on that report coming up next. box 365, the calendar. everyone knows my paperless, safe driver, and multi-car discounts, but they're about to see a whole new side of me. heck, i can get you over $600 in savings. chop, chop. do i look like i've been hurt before? because i've been hurt before. um, actually your session is up.
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for the daily beast. there's probably been some adjustments since saturday morning. >> with sean hannity and bill o'reilly. you like me. there's a neediness there which is such a contrast to obama. obama, this hurt obama a little bit. he didn't understand the basic i know securities of most politicians because he's not insecure himself so interest neediness was a distraction to him. and trump is the most profoundly insecure person who has held this office. to nixon who was deeply insecure, lbj who was insecure. that's what's scary about it. >> i have to say, in both lyndon johnson and nix only's case,
their insecurities built as the job was crushing them. wasn't a first month of insecurity. let's look what the "wall street journal" reported. literally the detail that president obama rolled his eyes. we have a visual for it. the "wall street journal" reports that president obama was livid over the accusation that he bugged the offices, believing mr. trump was questioning both the integrity of the office and mr. obama himself. peep familiar with his thinking said, and this would not be the first time with donald trump since he started with the birth certificate. >> right. so people have known for a long time, since the takedown of the white house correspondents' dinner that barack obama loathes trump. but at the beginning of trump's presidency, obama was trying to do something very clever. to not insult trump on the theory that if he didn't attack
him, trump wouldn't attack obama. why did obama want to do that for a crisis? he wants to make sure for the good of the country, if we had a crisis, he had a relationship with trump where trump could bring him over during the middle of the night and help him. >> or take phone call. >> sthoefs important for all of our safety. and what's alarming about this is that might no longer be possible. >> if do you think president obama will try to hold on to the relationship? >> i think he will. because he has his own ego in check. i think he will let this bounce off him if there is a crisis. the last word is next.
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based on the book, the big short. great to have michael lewis join us tonight. because they always do, average people will pay for the whole thing. that's what it will look like planned parenthood with the trump budget. average people paying for it. due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. just pulled that out of there. >> a jail shakedown recovers a huge stash of contraband. >> i've been here 25 years and this might be a first for me. >> me and my boyfriend were out one night and whatever he did is what landed us in here. >> a young couple is charged where robbery and murder. >> i know what i did and did not do. and i kid not kill anybody.