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and all day long on twitter now hallie jackson. >> thank you, stephanie ruhle, my pick for one great woman. >> we won't really comment further until those findings are complete. >> we're also watching the scoreboard with republicans and the white house bracing for a new report on the new health care bill. will it show they can keep their promises? if not, what then? and a monster system is threatening millions in the northeast. a live report on the potentially historic late-season storm. doing our best to stay warm, pete williams conferrivering th justice department. on set, puffy jacket day,
"washington post" reporter who a closely firing that wiretap investigation and new york city politics reporter and msnbc contributor jeremy peters. kellyanne conway was on the "today" show this morning. here's what she said when savannah asked her about this wiretapping claim. >> this is information he had, he tweeted about it, he brought it up so he has the power to cl clarify on it. why not? >> i can't comment on his private conversations he's having with the justice department. >> so what are we hearing from the justice department. >> first of all, i want to commend you on your talent for understatement saying that today is chilly. >> yeah, i have a body warmers underneath this coat, pete.
it just a whole thing. >> okay. secondly all the justice department will say is that they are studying this letter, a request from the chairman and ranking members of. house intelligence committee. the letter asks for information about what the government knows about the wiretap claim and has been described at setting a, quote unquote, deadline. there's no sense of a deadline here that if the government doesn't comply there's some sanction. but the administration is in a bit of a box here. on the one hand, the president has asked congress to investigate, kellyanne conway said they won't investigate until congress has said something. so something's got to give here somewhere in order for this to move forward. for the moment all the justice departments saying is that
they're studying the request i the letter. >> you make the correct point that there not going to be, as far as we know, sanctions to the justice department if they doesn't hand offer this information to the house said today or to the senate side eventually but what ultimately could happen? what options would lawmakers have at that point? >> we've seen this movie before. if the congress isn't satisfied with what it gets from a federal department, it can subpoena the information. if it's classified, that would go through another procedure to make sure. congress can say we've got security clearances, you can give us the information so there's ways to get this done but i just doesnn't know what's going to happen today and if anything knows about it -- >> this could end up going to adam schiff and we might not hear about it for days. >> that's right. they haven't released the letter publicly because apparently it's
got sensitive information. my guess is that it makes specific requests about what record they'd like to see and it gets into sensitive operational details about how these things would work if they happened. butch we have to think about one week from today, hallie, which is the day when james comey testifies in public. of course, we believe very strongly, we've been told by many officials that he says as far as he knows there's nothing to this claim, that this never happened. but we'll see whether heis allowed to say anything about this or whether he defers to the justice department or whether something is said before his appearance. >> pete williams, staying warm in the bureau indoors. thank you very much. >> i feel for you. >> thank you, pal. i want to go to kasie hunt on the hill. talk about what you're hearing from your folks at the congress. are they expecting to hear something from the department of
justice? and what happens next? >> the question is going to be whether we do find out if the justice department himself responded to this at all. you have to remember in the context of an investigation like this and these kinds of requests, every little shred of information that we have can potentially become very important because we do have so little of it. now devin nunnes, the chairman of the house intelligent committee has been making something of a habit of holding press con presences every week as they meet behind closed doors. that's a recent and interesting development. we'll see if he decide he wants to come out and say something. you guys were discussing subpoenas a minute ago. it likely as they've gone back and forth, we've asked repeatedly whether he would subpoena testimony from officials and he hasn't been willing to go so far as to say,
yes, he would be willing to subpoena that testimony if the people in question were unwilling to appear. there's more than one place in congress trying to dig up information about the wiretapping claims. lindsey graham, the senator from south carolina run as subcommittee on the judiciary committee on the senate side and he told me i will absolutely subpoena this information fits not provided to me. there's some concern their investigation might run into jim comey and any investigation going on in the fbi and the trump campaign an their relationship with russia. kasie hunt there on capitol hill, thank you. we're going to follow up more with this wiretapping story, these unproven accusations with our panel, but first i want to get to another story that could make headlines later on today. chris jansing is right behind me at the white house. we could see the official cost
estimate as early as today which is pretty key to the future of this republican health care bill. we have members of the gop say we don't know how much it costs yet, how can we debate it? >> reporter: we're expecting to hear from the cbo numbers a lot of raspberry won't like. they ran on the idea that make is too expensive. number one is they're going to argue this is a three-part plan, the bill that we're putting forward is just part one. parts two and three will make a difference in bringing costs down. but the other part of their argument is that the cbo has just been wrong, that when obamacare came out, their numbers were wrong. peter orzack, who used to head the congressional budget office said kind of good luck with that
argument. ta take a listen. >> i think it's going to be difficult to debunk it. they're trying to rais questions about cbo in general. i'm not sure that's going to work. premium numbers that are terrible and other numbers are going to are a problem. >> this could show that millions could potentially lose their coverage, a real problem for people running for reelection, a real problem for this president who got so many votes in those blue collar areas that normally would have gone democratic, in good part on his promises that there would be full coverage and the costs would come down, hallie.
>> cris >> chris, i want to bring in our guests. you've been following this. where does it go from this point? the president won't talk about it. he was asked last week and he won't talk. >> if they don't provide any evidence to show there was something behind that claim that trump was wiretapped, you're going to see a lot more of what you've seen, a lot of speculation and political jockeying. if they do come up with evidence, this completely shifts. there's been a lot of skepticism. >> an understatement. >> they're saying we'll add it
to our general basket of top, that we're look at as we probe whether there were ties between russia and various campaign officials but you've got to give us something to work with here. >> what's happening inside the justice department, inside the fbi? director comey has said, hey, i need you to go knock this thing down. is it sort of maneuvering? is it it freaking out? >> comey is trying to get the d.o.j. to say there's no there there. no one has committed at the top level of administration of whether there's any evidence. before comey came back to the hill, you had a lot of frustration he's not being forthcoming enough.
so the intelligence are getting a lot of access to what's going on at justice. the judiciary committees are very upset about what comey may not be telling them. you've got leaks coming out of d.o.j. on various topics and this mixed bag of feeting of what comey's letting people k w know. >> i want to talk about political fallout. you've seen by now we're not going to play kellyanne conway with her local newspaper doing this interview where she seems to imply -- well, let's actually play it. i want you to listen to it. listen to the original bite from her with her local paper. >> do you know whether trump tower was wiretapped? >> there are many ways to surveil each other. they talked about last week you can surveil someone through their phes, through their television sets, any number of
different sets and microwaves that turn into cameras, et cetera. we know that is just a fact of modern life. >> chris, i'm not inspector gadget. i don't believe people are using their microwave to try on the trump campaign. i'm not in the job having evidence. that's what investigations are for. >> so, fact check, kellyanne conway is not inspector gadget. what she's not talking about is health care. and that's what the president wants to being talking about presumably, right? >> we're talking about a tweet he send over a week ago. >> nine days ago. >> but we should be talking about. >> massive scandal if true. >> which no one thinks it's true. even nunn essaez says we're tak
novice too literally. >> there are a significant number of trump supporters who are willing to look past and excuse away all of his outrageous allegations. there is a significant chunk of people out there who will beeve it regardless. >> and is that a dangerous thing, the idea that the president can tweet something with into proof -- >> very. >> -- something that has major implications and then doesn't talk about it for a week? >> it's a fact in our modern era of pick your own facts information consumption. people will believe whatever they want to believe. >> i'm really interested to see if this investigation comes back and show no, ss no proof, how d
donald trump respond? we only saw him apologize once and that was over the access hollywood incident and that seemed a bit like a hostage tape. >> trump doesn't want this investigation into potential links between his surrogates and contacts they have with russian officials to be too much of a focus. so this does divert it. first it's let's folks on the leaks and each time it expands the spectrum of what they're looking at but it confuses things, which diverts attention. >> coming up next, we're talking more about what we just started to talk brk the idea of the health care hard sell. will the white house be able keep the promises they're making? we're looking ahead at the cbo
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>> i firmly believe nobody will be worse off financially in the process we're going through. >> "nobody will be worse off financially" clip and save that sound bite. as early as today the congressional budget office is expected to release its report breaking down the cost, how many americans could lose insurance and more. joining me is congressman john yarmouth of kentucky and annie peeters. thank you for joining me here on msnbc. what would the report say to give you some encouragement about this bill? anything? is it snob. >> it would take a miracle to give me encouragement about this bill. they will probably get a pretty good score on deficit reduction. they have to have one or they can't pass the bill with fewer
than 60 voutes in the senate. they can cut as much as cut as much as they want, though they're giving a tax break of $600 billion to wealthy americans and corporations. the cbo, all the estimates that have been made about the republican proposal range from like 4 million people losing coverage to 15 million or more. i suspect that the cbo score will be in that range. and of course that will directly contradict what secretary price is quoted as saying. plus, it will contradict the promise of president trump that nobody's going to lose coverage under this republican proposal. >> let me ask you this because kentucky is kind of shaping up to be a little bit of ground
zero for this battle. you saw the vice president making his pitch in louisville. when you're talking about your constituents, curelearly there' difference on the ideology between republicans and democrats. what are you saying to your constituents? >> we're just beginning to finally make inroads. we're making sure that everyone in kentucky understands that obamacare and theffordabl care act are the same thing. people love the affordable care act in kentucky. more than a half million people have gotten coverage under the affordable care act. people with insurance already have protections now they never had before but there were a lot of people who thought this plan was bad because they thought it was obamacare. now that they are finding
the the same law, they're warming to it. that's why i can't conceive why president trump would come to kentucky to undermine it. so that's kind of interesting that pence would come here. >> vice president pence the one visiting kentucky. back when democrats were trying to pass obamacare, nancy pelosi had that sort of now infamous quote about you have to pass the bill so we can find out what's in it, now there's criticism for republicans for moving too fast on this. isn't that hypocritical? >> we had 79 hearings. we had numerous estimates of what the cost would be, what the coverage levels would be as we went through the process. we had hour and hours and hours
of markups and five different committees. so it was a very public process. what we've seen with the republican plan is it was introduced last monday night, marked up in two committees in the house on wednesday into thursday. there have been no public hearings about it and that to me implies that it clear they don't want people to know what's in the american health care act because they know it would not be received well. >> congressman, i have to ask you about something a few weeks ago when you seemed to menti mention -- do you regret your comments? >> no. i've been saying recently i do want a president who is able to take that 3:30 a.m. call. i don't want one who sits up all night waiting for it. i think that's what wehave. we have a president who is up all night, tweeting at all kinds of crazy hours, who is making
unsubstantiating claims that are really dangerous, who has concerned himself with trivial matters like the ratings of the "the apprentice" and this is not somebody in my mind who is emotionally stable enough to the president of the united states. i real concerns about this. >> congressman john yarmouth of kentucky. >> we're talking about the cbo part in terms of score. if it comes out and it not good, could it kill the bill? >> one is in the era of alternate facts, it doesn't really matter what the score is. if members of congress decide this is direction they want to go, they're going to pass it. but i don't necessarily think that's is case. think think i there are enough members of the freedom kouk
us -- >> tomorrow night he's got a thing. >> he's working it. he's showing whether he has the capacity to cut the deals he said he would. but you also have the senate. you have the moderates and real hardline conservatives. so truz and rand paul. that seems to me to said these things are always wrong. they're definitely worried it's not going to be good news for them by dismissing it before it comes out. >> up next, we'll talk about the calm before the storm. sunny today but wait until this time tomorrow. what looks like the worst weather of the winter is heading our way. and if you're traveling, what this means for you and the headaches you're going to face. that's next on this let's call it brisk, refreshing morning here in washington. we'll being back. ♪
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parts of new jersey and connecticut up to a foot second and here we are early march. airlines are getting ready for the worst. tom, at j.f.k., what's it like there? >> at the moment, it pretty much business as usual. we've got 2,400 flight cancellations today and tomorrow. let me take to you the misery map index. at the moment this is realtime look at problem spots around the country, chicago is a problem because of the storm right now. delays and cancellations over chicago. and then as you move further to the east, detroit is having sop problems. we are expecting problems today and tonight i should say, tonight and tomorrow in boston and in new york. you work your way down the coast, philadelphia, baltimore, the washington d.c. airports, all of those will be affected as the storm rolls through. already 2,400 flights cancelled
starting tonight and i would expect thousands of flights cancelled offer the course of changes so if you have a reservation the next two days in the northeast, you might want to change it now, avoid the change fee and hopefully you can reschedule. >> tom costello, thank you very ch. let's bring in bill karins for more on the timeline of this thing. we're getting ready to be right in the bulls eye right hered.c.? >> d.c. is such a tough forecast. this is the storm at o'hare and here's the storm it combines
with and this heads to the northeast. these numbers jump off the page here. the pink is foot. all of interior new england gets a foot. the red is 18 inches of snow and the poconos and khcatskills cou go over two feet of rain. a little longer snow in baltimore, a little longer snow in philadelphia before you change over. once you get north and west of i-95, you likely will stay all snow. because this is an all-star forecast. if and if and boston's a tough forecast, too, bus we're going to have a brief period of mixing and then back to snow on the tail end.
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>> thanks for being here all of you. damian, i'll start with you. because you looked into these budget plans which are obviously not final, you said will shake us to our core. >> the budget for 2018 is expected to be $4.1 trllion, right? it's a ton of money. the trump administration is planning to propose cutting around $50 to $60 billion. that's a very small in proportion to the larger budget. but the cuts will be on the very small part of the budget on transportation, housing, energy, regulation, you know, food inspection, that sort of stuff. and those areas have been under pretty tight cap since the sequester was put in place several years ago. so these cuts are going to be leveled at this smaller part of
the budget and there's no way to implement them without layoffs across the federal government. >> damian makes the point this will shake up the government. isn't that the point? >> it will not remotely shake up the government. the first biggest -- the way you shake up the government is by rethinking the relation of the united states to the the health care provision. but president trump said no changes to entitlements. he's trying to shake up the government by attacking the smallest, smallest deliver. that also happens to be where the people who give these leaks get their information from. this is going to be presented as if it's a major event. the reason it's not going to work is because the drivers of u.s. federal spending are being left alone.
sfwli see jeremy nodding. let me go to damian. up said it's going to be something interesting. y why is it significant? >> davis raises a really good point. the majority of the budget is on defense spending and hundreds of billions a year on interest payments on the federal debt. those are not going to be changed by it budget. this is going to give a vion, a portrait, of the kind of government that donald trump wants going forward. so we're goi to hear what he has to say about environmental regulations, and he's going to get to the medicaid/medicare proposals down the road but right now this is going to be the clearest snapshot we have as president as to how he wants the
government to function going forward. >> if the united states spent on health care what norway spends, which is the second most free spending in all of the free country, you could have the entire budget for free. the company kri is not dealing with the problems. if entitlements are off the table, you might as well not sit on the table because they're on the table. >> i want to ask you about the cuts to diplomacy. you have somebody like secretary of state rex tillerson, who as one of our panelists joked last week is the incredibly shrinking secretary of state. >> there are about a dozen people telling "the washington
post," the "new york times" and cnn and other sources the story of what happened in 2011. although donald trump know exactly who they are, he knows approximately where they work. >> i think david is exactly right. what i would say is beyond the obvious difficulties with getting a budget that is this austere and cuts this little in places that really should be cut out of congress, you also have the fact that paul ryan is completely opped to this rampant spend on on entitlements that he's promised seniors. you have the aarp running ads saying donald trump promised not to touch retirement culturaccouo
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as the gop tries to sell its health care plan, a lots of talk has been on this patient-focused model. but for small business owners, the uncertainty is giving some a chance to step away, reconsider, wonder what's going on. >> reporter: as republicans and democrats on capitol hill battle on appealing obamacare even
within their own parties, small businesses are caught in the confusion. >> as a small business center, i'm in a constant struggle to do right by my team within the constraints of our budget. >> she now employs 95 workers and wants to continue to offer coverage to her employees. >> frankly, it's not as expensive be as you would think but got us a lot of mileage in terms of being a good place to work. >> reporter: she's afraid she'll be forced to raise store prices. health care providers are still awaiting specific details to plan next year's coverage. >> health plans are feeling a little better about 2018 and hope that within the next four to six weeks they can commit to continuing onneck year but we still need to resolve a couple of those uncertainties. >> the biggest uncertainty, how
much the republican proposed plan will cost providers. >> we're all working a little bit in the dark here. it's highly unusual and makes it very difficult to have a fact-based conversation. >> kaiser foundation is concerned about with the 10 million people who received insurance under obamacare. >> in pockets of the country there are real problems where people in the marketplaces don't have a plan currently they can use. >> humana deciding to leave the exchanges, president trump is facing an even more complicated landscape. >> it's a critical moment where a lot will depend on what the trump administration does or doesn't do in this kind of interim period when the marketplaces are hanging in the balance. >> but for strong business owners, there's no time to wait around for congress to make a final decision. >> we offered health care before
we were required to, we will offer health care when we are no longer required to but from a planning perspective, it is absolutely impossible to predict what our obligation is going to be. >> joining me from minneapolis, andy slavitt, jamie peters. andy, you're the guy that ran obamacare under the old administration. talk to me about what small businesses can expect to see if this new health care bill, this new plan, goes into effect. >> thanks for having me. i think the thing we are seeing from the details that have been released so far of this new bill is that costs for the average person persare going to go up f the very simple reason that tax credits are going to go down somewhere on average of $1,500 to a couple thousand dollars and
that's going to vary depending on three factors, it's going to vary by age, by income level and by illness. so people who are older and sicker, it's second to be a little worse. >> you want to hope broker a cease-fire. we've seen republicans against democrats. the idea of compromise, is it just pretty talk? how do you actually get there? >> i think the one thing we know for sure is we made a lot of progress over the last seven years from a policy perspective and as a country, but it wasn't great for the country and it wasn't great for the democrats to be the only ones to hold the bag on health care and when anything -- any time anything went wrong to face criticism from republicans as opposed to
constructive process when we work on things likes medicare and other things the country jointly owns, i think republicans are finding the same thing. hopefully they'll realize that rather than cramming through a bill at record speed that takes coverage away from people and drives costs up, they're better off stepping back and we're all going to be better off stepping back and working on something together that can make progress from where we are today. i think it would be quite a shame to continue with a new pattern of obstruction and if republicans and democrats were able to get together, i you'd see we can make progress against the challenges we have tay. >> let's look at what progress may or may not look like, the one the president is trying push pretty hard. how personal is this to him? is he going to own this? two do you call it, trumpcare,
ryancare? >> i think it's been mixed messages from the white house. they don't want the label trumpcare. trump, who loves to put his name on everything. he understands a loss on this would be a huge loss for his administration. he need as win here. we've seen him doing sort of -- reaching out, bringing the groups that are funding the freedom caucus to an oval office meeting last week and he's going on the road. it's still -- but then i've talked to people in the administration who just say it's a bill, not like fully behind this. so i think there's mixed messages, whose bill is this? is it donald trump's bill? is it paul ryan's bill? i still think that donald trump, the president himself is yet to show he's putting the full negotiating skills and pom many and circumstances behind it. >> the white house says they're
convinced they can get the freedom caucus to go along. politically it is completely untenable for the republican party not to do something on blake. what that looks like, who knows. >> and who know what kind of agreement there is inside the party at this point. >> seas exactly it. what you have trump vowing to do, according to people in the oval office last week is hes said o would go out and campaign in the state -- >> kentucky, rand paul. hello. i. >> i think the trip to kentucky was as much as about rand paul as it was people in the as youens. >> let's say it gets passed as it. obamacare had its rocky moments. what advice would you give to the person who will be in your position shepherding this thing through? >> i think we're going to learn in a little while today or
tomorrow what the projected impact is going to be in terms of people's lives. i and i think we have to recognize wlooef got a lot of people in the country that depend on medicaid, they depend on medicare to retire and taking $600 billion or so away from the health care system is going to have an impact. so expect that something like this is going to have a tremendous amount of challenges just get to through. i'm -- i think if we had to, we should suspect there would be personal tremendous challenge. >> thank you very much. we'll be right back. daniel holton was only 24 when he was suddenly put at the helm of "lonely planet." he knew it would take some innovative thinking to modernize
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