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israel. a key ally and partner of ours. if we are not there to speak up, if we're not there to put our values forward, then the silence will be deafening. we have to be there and we have a speak up. >> wendy sherman. appreciate your time with us tonight. we have been watching the dismantling of the state department, and with some considerable alarm. that does it for us tonight. now it is time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >> there is a new movie opening tomorrow called "the last world". >> it is not about an anchorman, and it has shirley mcclain. but who will star in the movie "the rachael maddow show." >> pbly cameron. >> or shirley mcclain. she can do anything. >> thank you, lawrence, we'll done. the madness of the trump budget
proposal is upon us. that's what front page of trump's hometown newspaper calls it. the trump budget that slashes finding for the new york city police department that has the extra burden now of protecting donald trump's wife who still lives in trump tower on 5th avenue. first, president trump has been caught in his big lie by democrats and republicans in congress, working together to expose that lie. >> we pulled lines out of speeches, and he turned his words into numbers. >> if this budget were to go through, and it won't, we would
have a country that is even more heavily armed than today, but the arms are protecting a country full of homelessness, dirty water, dirty air. >> the senate intelligence committee saying there is no evidence that he was illegally wiretapped by president obama. >> sean spicer played baghdad bob -- >> the president said clearly when he roughered to wiretapping, it was surveillance. >> i'm not going to go justify every tweet. i don't pay that much attention to it. we now know that most people in the national news media do not watch fox news. and that is good because fox news is an organ of the trump
administration. they compete viciously for who can be donald trump's best tv friend. we know that the national news media doesn't watch fox news because if they did they would not be asking so many questions like this today. >> so sean, you were extremely confident that the house and senate intelligence committees would vindicate the president's allegation that trump tower was wiretapped and i'm sure now you have seen they see no indications that trump tower was the subject of surveillance. that seems to be a blanket statement, what's your reaction? >> a good, solid question. and i would play you sean spicer's answer if it was anything other than the usual study of double talk that goes on and on and on and it would eat up the whole segment.
it was a good solid question, but there was too of those that should have had an emasis somewhere else. now they say trump tower was not the subject of surveillance, what do have to say? it was just before the victory. nothing found. and the question was working off of that news of the day. that the democrat and republican leaders of the senate intelligence committee now say there was no evidence that trump tower was under surveillance. but the emphasis with the white house today should have been on the president's confession. he confessed last night on television about where he got the information that he used in that tweet, to say obama had my wires tapped in trump tower. >> i read in i think january 20th, they talked about wiretapping, i used that term, i watched brett bayer the day previous where he was talking about certain very complex sets of things happening, and wiretapping. i said there is a lot of wiretapping being talked about. >> there it is, we showed you that answer last night. that is the confession. that is the president's own answer about what information he used for that tweet. now tucker carlson knows that he
has no chance of competing with bill o riley and he asked some good questions. he let big lies fly by, but every trump interviewer has done that. he got trump's on the record confession about the sources he used. this article in the new york times was one of them. wiretapped data used in inquiy of trump aides. trump is lying about that article being a source of his tweet, because it appeared six weeks before his tweet, and that article does not say anything about president obama authorizing wiretapping of donald trump's phones in trump tower. that is a google search of wiretapping. but he is probably not lying about brett bayer being the rein for his tweet because he said this the night before president trump's tweet. >> there is a report that june 2016, there is a request by the obama administration intelligence core to monitor communications for donald trump and other officials and they're turned down. in october they renew it and they do start a wiretap at trump tower with computer and russian banks and it doesn't show up anywhere by reporting, have you heard that? >> again, like i said, no one that i know in congress has been
presented with that evidence. >> from his mouth to donald trump's desperate angry tweeting fingers. that probably is the source of his tweet. what we know from the senate intelligence committee was that it was not anyone in the government of the united states. that is what the committee said today. the president of the united states did not use any of the resources that confirm the words of that tweet. the president of the united states on 6:35 a.m. acted recklessly and willfully in tweeting lies about president obama. he is the most deviant man to ever live in the white house. he had 44 predecessors that have established a norm for presidential conduct. he deviates for virtually every one of those norms except wearing a necktie to work. he is a disgrace. he is an embarrassment to the presidency. he violated his office when he put out that tweet. he violated the oath to faithfully execute the office of the president of the united states. he is a liar and embarrassment. he is a disgrace and a embarrassment to the house. here is how the speaker dealt with that embarrassment today
when chuck todd asked him how much damage the reckless lying tweet about president obama has done to presidential credibility. >> i will say what i said for months now. it will be an unconventional presidency. twitter and facebook and these things are new. we as americans have not fully processed this new system we have. it will be an unconventional presidency and i will not go out and justify every tweet that's out there. >> twitter is new? that's the new defense. twitter is 11 years old. it will have it's 11th birthday next week. donald trump has been on twitter for eight years. high school math is much harder than twitter and they give you four years to master that. here is a picture of the very first american president to use twitter on the day he met the second american president to use twitter. president obama was active on twitter throughout his presidency. he started on twit sore long ago he looked like this when he sent his first tweet. since he started on twitter in
2007 at the beginning of his first presidential campaign, he sent over 15,000 and not one has been the subject of a senate intelligence committee investigation. not one has provoked congress to demand an explanation from the director of the fbi. not one of president obama's tweets has been worthy of a single segment of cable news coverage. not one of his tweets made the front page of a newspaper. that is how deviant donald trump is. as soon as i saw that tweet that he sent out about president obama, i felt i had observed enough donald trump to confidently leap immediately to the conclusion, as i did on twitter, that that tweet was based on absolutely nothing. that it was a complete lie, and last night he confessed. donald trump confirmed that i was right. that it was a saturday morning tweet of a deviant president who has no idea what a fact is. the trump presidency has become an emergency of individual laj. resistance to trump lies, and the trump presidency is not losing that battle. the trump presidents fight to defend their lies in the press briefing room. it has now failed. the president has been exposed by republicans. he has been exposed by republicans and democrats. working together in congress to expose him for the deviant liar that he is. he is so unbalanced that he ended up confessing.
after all of that lying. days and days of lying that they were trying to do for him. he turned himself in to tucker carlson. exposed himself as the raging bafoon that wakes up and tweets lies about the 44th president of the united states. on this one, republicans found their limit. some of them, they were mad as hell and donald trump and they were not going to take it any more. not on this one, not on this lie. that is where tonight' hope lies. republican senators and house members stepped forward finally showing no fear whatsoever of president trump and did everything they could to expose his lie. that is the first time we have seen that happen. and we have ever reason to hope that it will not be the last time. joining us now is eugene robinson. senior editor for "the atlantic." the confession last night on fox news was absolutely stunning, but the investigative process was still going on. that question about what the heads of the senate intelligence committee found, what they were saying, was perfectly legitimate especially given that sean spicer said he was completely confident they would find the opposite and the governmental source that donald trump used for his lying tweet. >> i know, and of course there was no source. i had the same initial reaction to that tweet that you had, lawrence, which was that it was made up. and it was. and separate from his policies or proto-policies. he just lies all of the time, he lies incessently. we have presidents that told lies for a reason, but not just
waking up in the morning and deciding to say stuff that is not true. so it is, i hope, heartenning that system republicans said that we can't have this, and they spoke up this time. >> i want to show everything that paul ryan said about this today. he was asked specifically about the trump tower wiretaps again, let's listen to this. >> when he says that president obama ordered wiretaps, do you believe that? >> no, we cleared that up. >> these are republicans saying no. it's not true. we looked into it. especially the intelligence committee. we looked into this. lindsey graham fighting for the truth on this, still expecting to hear from director comey. it is an important breakthrough for republican tolerance of the trump lies. >> i hate to be the bucket of peppered water here but i see other problems ahead. first, the stunt, this twitter stunt, however impromptu it was, it did do something. three weeks ago if you were talking about the story, you would have said there had is a fisa warrant against the trump campaign that indicates that campaign may be too close to russian espionage or the russian mafia.
he turned that around and now he is a victim of a giant conspiracy by the obama people. he bought the three weeks. >> but it was never believed, and the tweet kept the emphasis on the russia story. that is what this is about. >> but this is not for you, and what donald ump does on twit sere not for you and your viewers. not for people intensely interested in politics. it's for americans that pick up smatherings. trump in russia, making it sound like he was a victim of the obama people, that is lodged in many mines. and sean spicer introduced another astonishing claim that it was the british government that eavesdropped on andrew napolitano. >> and quickly, denied, totally denied by the british, in fact, very quickly. so that, too, every happened. >> and gene hannity was in the sources that sean spicer was quoting today. that is a first far white house to lane on him. >> it was -- you know, sean spicer was grasping at straws basically trying to raise this and raise that.
as if anything he mentioned or could invent would make a lie plausibly true. it is interesting that the tweets are not meant for us, really, they're meant for his populous base. no one let this lie ing on it an continuing to pound on it. >> one of the other things here to note, all of this is offering in tandem with the collapse of the republican health care plan. the reason that is so important is when that plan comes apart, it is going to do devastaing damage. we're about to see a rebalancing of power in washington that trump, president trump's statements may damage him in the eyes of congressional republicans, but they're leaking prestige because of the deflation of the health care plan. he will be stronger in a month from now than today. >> but donald trump is the presidential candidate that said we're going to repeal obama care and that got as big of a cheer as mexico is going to pay for the wall. so it will be a trump failure.
>> he will dodge out of the way. i think many people will hold him responsible and say that trumpcare tailed, but the republican leadership in the house is about to take a hit and they could gain in that intraparty war fair. the republicans in congress are less popular than even donald trump right now. atlantic." the confession last night on fox news was absolutely stunning, but the investigative process was still going on. that question about what the heads of the senate intelligence committee found, what they were saying, was perfectly legitimate especially given that sean spicer said he was completely confident they would find the opposite and the governmental source that donald trump used for his lying tweet. >> i know, and of course there was no source. i had the same initial reaction
to that tweet that you had, lawrence, which was that it was made up. and it was. and separate from his policies or proto-policies. he just lies all of the time, he lies incessently. we have presidents that told lies for a reason, but not just waking up in the morning and deciding to say stuff that is not true. so it is, i hope, heartenning that system republicans said that we can't have this, and they spoke up this time. >> i want to show everything that paul ryan said about this today. he was asked specifically about
the trump tower wiretaps again, let's listen to this. >> when he says that president obama ordered wiretaps, do you believe that? >> no, we cleared that up. >> these are republins saying no. it's not true. we looked into it. especially the intelligence committee. we looked into this. lindsey graham fighting for the truth on this, still expecting to hear from director comey. it is an important breakthrough for republican tolerance of the trump lies. >> i hate to be the bucket of peppered water here but i see other problems ahead. first, the stunt, this twitter stunt, however impromptu it was, it did do something. three weeks ago if you were talking about the story, you would have said there had is a fisa warrant against the trump campaign that indicates that
campaign may be too close to russian espionage or the russian mafia. he turned that around and now he is a victim of a giant conspiracy by the obama people. he bought the three weeks. >> but it was never believed, and the tweet kept the emphasis on the russia story. that is what this is about. >> but this is not for you, and what donald trump does on twit sere not for you and your viewers. not for people intensely interested in politics. it's for americans that pick up smatherings. trump in russia, making it sound like he was a victim of the obama people, that is lodged in many mines. and sean spicer introduced another astonishing claim that
it was the british government that eavesdropped on andrew napolitano. >> and quickly, denied, totally denied by the british, in fact, very quickly. so that, too, every happened. >> and gene hannity was in the sources that sean spicer was quoting today. that is a first far white house to lane on him. >> it was -- you know, sean spicer was grasping at straws basically trying to raise this and raise that. as if anything he mentioned or
could invent would make a lie plausibly true. it is interesting that the tweets are not meant for us, really, they're meant for his populous base. no one let this lie go. people are harping on it and continuing to pound on it. >> one of the other things here to note, all of this is offering in tandem with the collapse of the republican health care plan. the reason that is so important is when that plan comes apart, it is going to do devastating damage. we're about to see a rebalancing of power in washington that
trump, president trump's statements may damage him in the eyes of congressional republicans, but they're leaking prestige because of the deflation of the health care plan. he will be stronger in a month from now than today. >> but donald trump is the presidential candidate that said we're going to repeal obama care and that got as big of a cheer as mexico is going to pay for the wall. so it will be a trump failure. >> he will dodge out of the way. i think many people will hold him responsible and say that trumpcare tailed, but the republican leadership in the house is about to take a hit and they could gain in that intraparty war fair. the republicans in congress are less popular than even donald
trump right now. >> trump's big problem now is that republican discipline has collapsed in the congress and this republican president needs it to accomplish anything. we will leave it there tonight, gentleman, thank you for joining us. coming up, republicans in congress and democrats in congress that president trump is discovering there are very few members now of the trump party in congress. who is really sticking with donald trump in congress? later, the star of the new movie premiering this weekend entitled "the last word." shirley mcclain will join us. aaaahh!! uh! hooooly mackerel. wow. nice. strength and style. it's truck month. get 0% financing for 60 months plus find your tag and get $5500 on select
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>> don't worry, we're going to build that wall. that wall will go up. we're going to build the wall, mexico will pay for the wall. president trump proposed massive cuts to the most nondefense federal spending in his first budget proposal today, it include as cut for the department of housing and ur pan developmen it is to help fund meals on wheels program, and 13% cut at the department of education. money used to fund after school programs. peter alexander asked nick mulvani about the cuts. >> an austin organization that delivers meals to thousands of elderly says those citizens will no longer get those meals. they're losing out in and out on housing but -- >> we can't spend money on
programs just because they sound good. that sounds great. i can't defend that any more. i think it is fairly compassionate to say look, we're not going to ask you for your hard earned money any more. a single mom of two in detroit, give us your money. we're not going to do that any more unless we can -- please, let me finish, unless we can guarantee that money will be used in a proper function. that is as about compassionate as you can get. >> we have a director from the senior budget committee, also jonathan. steve, you have been studying federal budgets longer than any of us. you worked on the republican
side of the aisle. and you were there when the real republican budget cutting was first really advanced by president reagan. what is the difference to the approach taken then and the approach you're seeing tonight? >> i think the opportunity is missed, frankly. most of the programs were not really cut. we froze a lot of domestic programs and we eliminated almost none. we added a lot of money in defense, and the president was able to sign the bill into law in august of '81. but there was no discussion at the level of discussion like this. meals on wheels, which helps by and large low income, poor, white people. there is a certain vindictiveness. and i think it cuts like the public broadcasting system.
for 40 years we heard that. this is, honestly, a tired old budget. i could have pulled one out of the heritage from 1981 and it would have said the same things. and it won't do anything for the debt or the deficits that we're facing. so it really is a certain vindictiveness that bothers me. >> steve, would you say that explains some of the -- some of the things they're talking about are just tiny and serious budget analysts in the senate and house, and in the administration and in the past, look at these tiny numbers and they say this is not worth 10 more minutes of our time. we're not going to zero this out, it doesn't get us anywhere. >> i think that is exactly right. if you talk to republicans in
private, there is a growing fear that between what will come later to round out this budget, it is very skinny, and some of the things that are happening now with the health care reform and repeal and replace, there is going to be a subtle fear and not so subtle by august, that this will have a negative impact in next year's elections. at some point, republicans are going to make a cost benefit analysis and say "do i really want to go tell the kids in west virginia they're not going to get meals -- their grandparents are not getting meals on wheels and they don't get more help for nurses"? no, i don't want to go say that. and this is when it will turn against trump who really, if we're honest, does not have a huge group in the united states house or senate. >> i want to show you the cover of tomorrow's new york daily news. their take on the trump budget. calling it madness. showing it hurts the new york city police department budget.
a budget that is now strained, trying to protect melania trump and her son on fifth avenue in trump tower. extra details and police there. you know new york politics and thu feedback loop works from the nypd, in fact, to washington on situations like this, what do you expect? >> the tabloids will be all over washington and all over president trump for doing this, if this goes the way it is going. look every budget year, federal budget year, new york city is on the lookout for how much money they're going to get for the nypd, but most importantly for their counter terrorism efforts. it's not just money to the nypd and the new york city police department to protect new yorkers in the five bourghs. when ray kelly came back as police commissioner under major bloomberg, he set up basically his own intelligence operation
within the nypd so they could e and find out about plots against new york city at the same time if not before the cia and the intelligence organizations here and they worked hand in hand with the folks here in washington. the idea that president trump, a new yorker, is going to clobber new york city funding for the police department -- for the federal funding for the new york city police department is just mind blowing. and one other thing, the meals on wheels piece, because you know there is a factoid that people need to understand.
one year of meals on wheels, for a senior, is the equivalent of one day in the hospital for that senior. so the fact that the skinny budget is going to take money away from meals on wheels and possibly hurt seniors, it is just stunning. and i agree with steve. this budget, wherever you look at it, is vindictive. and quite frankly, i'm afraid of what will happen when we move from the skinny budget to the fat budget that is yet to come. >> we're out of time for this, steve bell, jonathan caphart, thank you for joining us. coming up next, a republican senator has just come out against republican health care bill. a freshman senator, standing up to donald trump, not afraid of him in the at least. breaking news tonight, the (vo) if you have type 2 diabetes,
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i will not tell you something i don't believe. >> that was a teleprompter speech. that was scripted. i come from a long line of car salesman and the first thing you want to do when someone says "i'll never lie to you" is grab your wallet and get out of town. >> when did trump voters lose that response to that line? >> i don't know, i think most trump voters were just so fed up with the system, so upset with the elite, they were really trying -- saying we'll try anything. anything.
you know? they say we're just going to grab a random jerk and see how he can do it. now we have him at the tiller and he doesn't know to push it or pull it and he is thinking i wonder what happens if you undo this rope, you know? >> how long do you give this stress to the system? we have never seen anything like this, and everyone is having trouble imagining four years of this. what happens here? >> i think we probably go to vegas and look at what the line is. what's the over under on trump's administration. i think we better start being nice to mike pence. >> yeah, the new york daily news, i have been showing this cover, declares the trump budget
to be madness giving how it will savage aspects of the new york city budget. surely, and in that budget document, donald trump's knowledge of what was in it has to be quite minimal. and the idea that it could in any way from affected the nypd probably never crossed his mind. >> no, he has no experience with something like a federal budget. gosh, you just had steve on here, i remember this from back in the reagan era. this stuff is hard to read and we have no indication that he does read. he has written more books than he has red. >> pj o'rourke. "how the hell did this happen?" and the question that everyone has been asking for months now. coming up, the star of "the last word" the movie version. yes, this weekend, new movie, coming out, entitled "the last word."
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of the movie, here is how she won the oscar for best actress in 1984 for her performance in "terms of endearment." >> excuse me, it is half ten, give my daughter the pain shot, please. >> i was going to. >> go ahead. >> in just a few minute. >> please, it's after 10:00, i don't know why she has to have this pain. all she has to do is hold on until 10:00, and it is past 10:00. my daughter is in pain, give her the shot, do you understand me. give my daughter the shot. thank you very much. thank you. >> here is shirley maclaine with amanda seifred in "the last word." >> you want me to write your obituary. >> i want you to write it now.
>> huh. is ron coming back? >> that's the wrong question. the right question is why. >> why? >> good question. >> thanks. >> i'm a reasonable woman. i have never been surprised about anything. and i never found myself in a situation that i could not handle. as a reasonable woman, the thought of living my obituary to chance is unreasonable to me. >> that is what everybody does, that's what they have done for hundreds of years. >> if i motivated myself by what other people thought and did i would not achieve what i have achieved and i achieved a great deal. >> she is going to join us and we will discuss the funding for the arts that the republican budget wants to cut. we'll talk to her after a break. for tonight's last word, we
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>> right to the end, that's why it's the last. yeah. should i go on about what she's like? >> tell us about it and tell us about the point you're hoping people take from this movie. >> well, you know she was born in the '30s as i was, and in that time period, it was difficult for women to have control over their businesses, their talent, their expressive abilities and so forth. and she, harriett decided she would take the bull by the horns and do what she needed to do. so she developed a personality of more than creative control and she was extremely successful and people listen to her even though sometimes it was not all that pleasant. and one of the reasons that i love being on your last word is we need more women like her in government so they will have
more control and experience about what is necessary for human compassion and human development. >> earlier in the program we heard a former budget so official talk about the new republican budget coming out today as being vindictive. especially the way they want to zero out funding for the arts, reduce funding for public broadcasting to zero. you did a season of "downtown abbey" and they want to kill all of that. the idea that there would not be -- the idea that people would not be able to rise up and communicate to these people what these things mean to them will be one of the challenges of that. >> exactly. it certainly is, lawrence, come on. i think i learned more from pbs and the endowment from the arts and humanities than i did in all of my schooling.
i went to public school, but it is my learning experience watching those shows that is giving me a whole different attitude about what is really important for us being kinder to each other. >> and all of this budget cutting is being done in the name of being able to increase funding for defense contractors, defense spending, advanced weaponry. >> exactly, look at the contrast, and the polarity there. all in -- and i did a little research, and 82% of the american public does not want that funding cut. and the other thing that really struck me was that the funding for arts and humanities, et cetera, cost each american household $1.35 a year. it is worth being educated to have that come out of the governmental budgets. >> and shirley, you watched these kinds of things, these
phases in government and politics come and go over the years, where do you think we are now? it feels to us like a place we have never been before. >> well, you know, being someone from the entertainment world, it's like a very bad hollywood satire that is not actually working, and the financiers would say no to this movie. this is some kind of strange theatrics that i think it kind of applies to what we think is real and what is not. some of the stuff i have written about, and maybe life itself, is theater like shakespeare said. and i'm beginning to think he is one of those in show business that should get off of the stage. i have one for you, do you know why the shark did not bite trump when he went swimming in the pacific ocean. >> i don't know. >> professional courtesy. >> shirley maclaine gets
tonight's last word. that is it, her movie is "the last." opens tomorrow night, thank you for joining us, really appreciate it. >> thank you, lawrence, thank you. msnbc's live coverage continues into the 11th hour with brian williams, that is next. nothing there. tonight why members of his own party descriing it as a heavy lift, "the 11th hour" begins now >> good evening from our headquarters in new york. day 56, a conspiracy theory floated by the president. that theory that president obama wiretapped trump tower.