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good day to you. i am jacob soboroff with you in the next two hours. it is high noon in the east and 9:00 a.m. out west and day 59 of the trump administration. new words from different sides on whether we'll hear something explosive from fbi director james comey tomorrow. no evidence of any collusion? >> no evidence. >> and this is after talking and getting this information from the fbi. >> up to speed on everything i
have up to this morning. >> there is circumstantial evidence of collusion. there is direct evidence, i think, of deception and that's where we begin the investigation. >> the other potential bombshell tomorrow whether or not there is anything the president trump's claim of wiretapping on trump tower. new word on that, too. >> it's a huge mistake and a public relations nightmare. they should scrap it all. start over. and at least one republican calling for paul ryan and his house gop colleagues to go back to the drawing board on healthcare, but is it too late? i will talk to key members of the housentelligence committee and the house budget committee with their take on all of this right here on msnbc live. we begin with politics and a big week ahead on capitol hill, tomorrow morning fbi director james comey hits capitol hill to testify in front of the house intelligence committee as part of its look into russia's interference in the u.s. 2016
election and president trump's wiretapping claims. here's house intel chair devin nunes this morning repeating what he says was confirmed through documents his committee received from the fbi on friday. >> was there a physical wiretap of trump tower? no, but there never was and the information we got on friday continues to lead us in that direction. >> no evidence of any collusion? >> no evidence. >> and this is after talking, getting this information from the fbi. >> up to speed on everything i have up to this morning. >> house intelligence committee ranking member took it a step further and here's what he said on "meet the press" just a short time ago. >> there is circumstantial evidence of collusion. there is direct evidence, i think, of deception and that's where we begin the investigation. now i don't want to pre-judge where we ultimately end up and of course, there's one thing to say, there's evidence and there's another thing to say we can prove it or prove it beyond
a reasonable doubt or there is enough evidence to bring to a grand jury for purposes of criminal indictment, but there is certainly enough for us to conduct an investigation. >> and then there's this guy, house speaker paul ryan this morning pushing back on criticism of the white house's proposed budget cuts to programs like meals on wheels. >> there are a lot of programs that are duplicative and wasteful that aren't measuring up to the goa that theye supposed to achieve and you want that kind of fiscal pressure so you go after waste, you go after fraud and go after abuse and move money from programs that aren't working or achieving the goals to ones that do while we honor our priorities. >> let's bring in msnbc's kelly o'donnell. she is in west palm beach, florida, traveling with the president. kelly, how much of a showdown will tomorrow's hearings be and how much more will we actually learn once fbi director james comby and othe comey and others get up there and have something to say? >> reporter: i think, jacob, for many people it will be what they
have to say from the members of this committee. the clips you played give us the sense that they already know a lot of the answers that they are seeking and this is a sense after there's been so much about this in our national conversation over months and over the last couple of weeks with respect to the wiretapping allegation made by president trump over president obama and it's a chance more for the general public to hear from the top fbi official, what does he know? what can they talk about publicly? that, i think, will be helpful for everybody able to watch this. i think for members of the committee, a lot of what will be discussed is already known. at the same time, someone who has watched lots of hearings in my career, there can be questions and answers and sort of a push on certain issues that maybe were not revealed in documents and things that they could draw out of the fbi director that are not in st of the printed record that they have their hands on. so maybe there's some room there, but when you hear the two different sides and republican and democrat talk about this you get a sense on the issue of
whether there was any collusion between the campaign of donald trump and the russians, sort of nothing there and maybe a smoke kind of issue. so there might be more to kind of drill into there. now we also, of course, heard from democrat adam schiff on "meet the press" today and he talked about sort of the behind the scenes of the committee. will democrats get every tool to use that they want like the power of a subpoena? here's adam schiff. >> the real question where the rubber will really hit the road is as you suggest when we have to use compulsion to get documents that we need to bring in witnesses. i hope the answer will be yes from the majority. i also do think -- >> right now you do not -- you have not been given that authority? >> well, we haven't -- >> you haven't asked for it. >> to subpoena certain witnesses, but we will be. there are a lot of witnesses -- >> devin nunes agrees with you on this? >> well, he'll have to otherwise -- >> which means he doesn't yet.
>> i don't want to say that. >> reporter: so that's delicate because democrats on their own can't subpoena witnesses or compel people to come and testify. that will really have to be done by the republican chairman of the house intelligence committee. so that's something to watch going forward. is the committee sort of of one mind of what needs to take place with an investigation or as answers come in and some questions might be resolved are they more willing to wrap it up or keep going? so that's something for us to watch. jacob? >> no matter how definitive the statements we hear, it will not be the last we hear of trump-russia connections. kelly o'donnell, great to see you as always and thank again. let's bring in bob cusack, editor in chief at the hill. >> you heard kly o. there and you heard adam schiff in the earlier cp so far as there was circumstantial evidence in there. where was he going with that? >> well, the two of them have had a complicated relationship
and now they're working together and nunes is saying, hey, there's no direct evidence as far as the wiretapping, but you know, you see some type of an alliance between these two leaders on the intel committee. it's fragile, but there's so much we don't know and that's why they have to look into it, but it's very interesting that schiff was raising the whole issue of subpoena. >> jay, can you gauge for us white house expectations from the intelligence committee hearing on the hill tomorrow? >> does the trump administration expect fbi director james comey to confirm surveillance of donald trump or to confirm any sort of collusion between russia and these key figures that we keep talking about from the trump campaign? >> well, if they expect comey to confirm there's been some sort of wiretapping on trump tower on the president-elect during the transition, i think that they're going to be very disappointed because comey already through a spokesman has said that did not happen and everyone on the
committee said that did not happen and you know, certainly, i think the white house would hope that the republicans on the committee would do -- would try to protect the president a little bit and would try to make sure that this isn't a witch hunt that any investigation is fair and to be frank, donald trump has called this fake news in a lot of cases and he's categorically denied that there was any kind of collusion so any idea that they're investigating it as a republican-held committee is sort of unprecedented, that they're going after their own president in this way. so we'll have to see what happens, but it's interesting, you know, to see schiff, again, as bob was saying talking about potential subpoenas here. if the republicans go so far as to subpoena their own president and the own white house and their own campaign officials that is very unusual step. >> much of what we know up until this point, of course, is because of leaks. leaks from the administration, leaks from other sources. bob, i want to play for you what chairman nunes said on the issue of leaks. take a look.
>> you believe that there are people inside these intelligence communities. >> i don't think so anymore. i think it was largely people maybe who were there had classified information, who are now no longer there and decided to leak it. >> to what end? >> i think to hurt -- i mean, clearly to leak michael flynn's name talking to the russian ambassador. that was clearly designed to hurt general flynn. >> people who are no longer there, chairman nunes says, what type of investigation, bob, do you think we can expect given this sentiment? >> well, it is a crime for that information to come out. obviously, it ensnared flynn because then flynn basically lied about it and said -- and lied to the vice president that he wasn't having these discussions. >> right. >> that is a crime when you reveal sources and methods and that kind of thing and nunes wants to go after that. maybe he's alluding that there are obama administration officials had access to this information, but clearly, he's saying they're gone so that's very interesting now that trump has his intel team or some of his intel team saying the
problem has now resolved. i don't -- i'm not so sure about that. we've seen a lot of tension, as you know, between the president and the intel community. >> what we've just been discussing here is euphemistically referred to by president trump in an interview last night about president obama. i want to play that quickly. let's take a look. >> well, you know, he's been very nice to me personally, but his people haven't been nice and there's great animosity out there. there's great anger. leaking is just one example. >> while he's nice personally, there doesn't seem to be a lot of nice things happening behind the scenes and that's unfortunate. >> so he's back to saying he's nice personally that maybe he was sick in that tweet a couple of weeks ago. in that bitee's blaming the people surrounding president obama, not him directly. jay, do you sense a shift in tone now particularly following the wiretap tweets where he was singled out his predecessor for bugging trump tower. >> i wouldn't say they're
walking it back because sean spicer spent the better part of this week insisting over and over again and reading the reports saying this is the basis on which they believe there was some sort of a tapping of their lines by the obama administration, but look, donald trump constantly goes back and forth about president obama. back in the day he called him -- he was a birther who questioned president obama whether or not he was american, whether or not he was born in the united states. sometimes he -- he's gone after him harshly after the white house correspondents dinner when obama really took donald trump out to the shed a little bit and mocked him for his hair and for some of the things he said and things have gone -- things have been personally ak ri moneyius between the two and donald trump clearly took a hit, alleging that his predecessor somehow tapped him and now he's kind of going back and saying, well, maybe it wasn't him personally,
but just people who are acting on his behalf and maybe -- next week he could go back again, well, no, actually it was him personally, so we'll see. >> bob, quickly because we have to run on the other big issue of the week coming up. neil gorsuch, of course, will be having his confirmation hearings and becoming a justice of the supreme court. what's the strategy for democrats? is this a battle that they have a chance of fighting and winning? >> i don't think so. gorsuch, i think, will be nfirmed and i don't think that republicans will have to do the nuclear option and they'll have to go after senator blumenthal and how behind the scenes in a private meeting gorsuch according to blumenthal was basically critical of the president of how he's going after the judicial branch. so i think that's what they're going to go after, but gorsuch has been very smooth. he's impressed democratic senators and i don't think a lot of them will vote for him, but i think enough of them will clear him eventually. we'll see. this is a big hearing and if he
stumbles, you never know. >> thanks so much to both of you. have a great sunday. >> thanks, jacob. now to overseas. new reports of rocket engine tests by north korea overshadowing re overshadowing rex tillerson's visit to china. aiming to pave the way with stronger relations with china as tensions rise over north korea and janice mackey-frayer is in beijing with more now. tell us more about these meetings and the result. >> reporter: well, jacob, the secretary of state and president xi jinping of china would have a lot of differences on issues like trade, taiwan and the south china sea. you'll remember that rex tillerson at his confirmation hearing has threatened a naval blockade against china in the south china sea, but today they said nothing publicly about any of the issues straing u.s.-chinarelationship. it was friendship and
cooperation with tiller son using the same diplomatic language favored by chinese officials. here's what he had to say. >> we know that through further dialogue we will achieve a greater understanding that will lead to a strengthening of the ties between china and the united states and set the tone for our future relationship of cooperation. >> reporter: they also didn't mention the latest provocation by north korea, that testing of a -- of a -- of a high-thrust missile engine, an event that the regime had declared of historic significance. it was timed for tillerson's visit here. china is north korea's main ally and its economic lifeline. so tillerson was expected to come to beijing to pressure officials into doing more to use that sway with the north, to rein in the threat. these were bound to be tough meetings for mr. tillerson, as well chinese official his a
number of things to raise with him, primarily their opposition to the missile defense system that's being deployed in south korea and possibly expanded to japan, but a key reason for this visit was to pave the way for that summit that's expected to happen next month with president xi and president trump. it's slated to happen early april at mar-a-lago. it may be a very important meeting. it may not be more than a photo-op, but it may show these two men can get together, find some commogrnd without the rhetoric that has so far surrounded them. >> nbc's janis mackey-frayer. we have not heard about the north korea nuclear threat, but i will talk about it next. i will ask a former cia officer who was stationed in south korea on whether this administration can stop north korea from developing a nuclear-tipped missile that could hit the united states. that's coming up. are your allergies holding you back or is it your allergy pills? break through your allergies.
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♪ ♪ the closer that north korean regime gets to being able to deliver a nuclear weapon we're going to have to be in a position to take some type of preemptive strike. we hope that it doesn't come to that, but this is -- this is an unhinged regime. i am happy that we're getting off of this strategic patience ich s our last approximatepolic towards north korea. >> that was house intel committee chairman devin nunes reacting to new reports out of north korea of rocket engine tests held yesterday. joining me now bruce clingner senior research fellow on east asia at the heritage foundation and he was former deputy division cheap for north korea. north korea was calling yesterday's rocket engine test a
breakthrough. how significant is this? should we be worried about this? >> we should always be worried any any improvement in north korea's missile capabilities. outside missile experts are waiting for high-resolution photographs that korea reveals in order to determine more about this engine. preliminarily it looks like it's a liquid fuel engine and they talked about it being for their civilian satellite launch vehicle which has the same technology as icbm, but this is not probably the rogue mobile icbm that they say they're in the late stages of development and will test anywhere, any time. >> what is the end goal here? north korea is famously secretive and that's the biggest understatement you could make about north korea. what's the end goal with this nuclear program? >> well, for decades, really, since the 1960s north korea has had a steady quest to have the ability to hit the united states
and its allies with nuclear weapons via missiles. it's been a long-growing program, but it seems in the last several years they've made some leaps and bounds in success not only with the icb, m, but wh other missiles which is a submarine ballistic missiles and it invade basis in guam, south korea and japan. >> a lot of people have interpreted these latest actions provocations by north korea as a direct message to the united states, why, in your estimation, is north korea so focused on the united states of america? >> well, they see us as their main op bonent and they've repeatedly declared they'll never abandon their nuclear weapons and the treasure sword of deterrence. when people advocate a nuclear freeze negotiation. we've had eight international agreements with north korea that they failed and violated. so it's -- we shouldn't be in a rush to go back to negotiations until north korea is willing to
say they may entertain the idea of denuclearization which they say right now is off the table. >> the secretary of state rex tillerson has been on this much publicized and little covered by the press tour because of restrictions of the press there and he's called for a different approach to dealing with the threat of north korea. let's you and i take a look at that very quick. >> we have 20 years of failed approach. and that includes a period that the united states provided $1.25 billion in assistance to north korea as an encouragement to take a different pathway. in the face of this escalating threat it is evident that a different approach is required. >> has diplomacy failed entirely with north korea? >> the one area where i disagree with the secretary is it's actually been 25 years of failed attempts with the diplomacy. south and north korea signed an agreement in 1991 where north koreaommitto never seeking
uranium enrichment or plutonium reprocessing facilities for two nuclear weapons programs and they tried both programs, plutonium and uranium. we think they may have 16 to 20 nuclear weapons right now with more on the way. so we have tried and right now it's really hard to advocate for negotiations when north korea, as i said, has no intention of doing it. they literally are not picking up the phone. they closed the new york channel which is the last way to communicate with them and then the joint security area which straddles the demilitarized zone and they don't pick up the phone so u.s. military officers are reduced to standing on the border line saying please, pick up the phone and we'd like to have a meeting with you, so please arrive. it's a one-way conversation right now. >> bruce, you have such a unique perspective on this and you worked for the cia in south korea. if you have a sense of north korea's mentality, do you think that kim jong-un would actually
use a nuclear weapon on the united states if he could? >> well, on the one hand, he's not crazy as many in the media have depicted him as. he's is irrational with a unique view of the world. when he did come up into power he direct his military to come up with a plan, and that would require them to go nuclear early on. so they have that plan on the books. they would say it's too preempt a u.s. attack on them. we would see it as to try to deter us from responding to some kind of attack that north korea did either to us or to our ally. >> just quickly, how closer we, in your estimation, from north korea from having the capability of having a nuclear weapon and outside of aresponse, is cyber war faire a legitimate way to stop that happening? we have 30 seconds. >> it's hard to know where they are on the development path. four u.s. four-star generals say
they think north korea has or we have to assume they have for planning purposes a nuclear capability against the u.s. most outside experts don't think they're there yet, perhaps within a few years, but probably within president trump's first term, they will have the unambiguous ability to hit the united states with a nuclear warhead. >> we appreciate it. thanks a lot. >> thank you. coming up right here. we will get answers or will we, i should say, from the fbi director of russia's involvement in the election and the president's wiretapping claims. i will ask a member of congress coming up.
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i am jacob soboroff at msnbc world headquarterses. we are monitoring breaking news overseas. an afghan soldier opened fire wounding three u.s. soldiers. he shot to end the attack. there is no word on the condition of the three who were wounded. several u.s. troops have been killed in recent years in so-called insider attacks carried out by afghan police or soldiers. now turning back to politics, a big day tomorrow on capitol hill. we will hear from fbi director james comey for the first time on the investigation into russia's meddling into.s. elections. here is a sense of what to expect. >> on the issue of collusion he will be the most limited on what he can share and there will be russian motivations and how the russians operate in europe, what techniques they use, what we should be on the lookout for in our investigation.
>> joining me now is nbc's intel on national security correspondent ken delaney. your reaction on what we heard there and how much can comey reveal tomorrow and i want to point out something that adam schiff said that wasn't in that clip since you and i talked there is circumstantial evidence in collusion, which say bit of news, isn't it? >> you're right, jacob. that is news. adam schiff is a part an democrat and he's a serious-minded former federal prosecutor with access to the nation's highest classification of secrets so i take what he says very seriously and based on our reporting at nbc news we have an idea of what he might be talking about. there is evidence that the u.s. intelligence is aware of meetings between trump associates over the summer during the campaign and russians. there are also signals intelligence, we understand, about russians talking about connections with the trump campaign. that's the kind of thing schiff might be referring to as circumstantial evidence. james clapper had said a couple of weeks ago on "meet the press"
he saw no hard evidence of collusion and that's what the investigation might be about. james comey is unlikely to talk in any kind of detail about this tomorrow because that part of is is so highly classified, jacob. >> outside of leaks and the completed investigation, what will we know about whether or not the president is under investigation? it sounds like he's sort of answered that question. it's going to be difficult to get that information, isn't it? >> exactly. i don't think comey's going to go there. i'll be interested to see what he says about this and what he says about the russian operation in general and how they did what they did. you know, he can expand and there's a lot of intelligence around that that he can discuss and the other issue that we all expect to come up is the trump allegation of a wiretapping at trump tower which has pretty much been debunked and adam schiff says he expects comey to go on the record and say that isn't true. what i'll be listening is how he
does that. how critical will he be of the president of the united states as he is explaining that this allegation that he made on twitter a couple of weeks ago is completely basis and will he get into the repercussions on this with intelligence committee and our british allies were drawn into this and the national security agency used the phrase errant nonsense to refer to the claim that the british may have helped president obama spy on trump and it's a claim the trump administration repeated last week. it will be interesting to see what james comey and the nsa director will say tomorrow. >> is there anything of substance and will they be as dismissive as everybody else when it comes to the wiretapping allegations and from a national security and an intel perspective and certainly not from a political one, could this element, once and for all be put to bed tomorrow. >> i don't think it could be put to bed as long as the president of the united states insists that it isn't true and comey and might rogers can put all of this
in context. a lot of people will be watching tomorrow and they can explain to the public the way trump described what happened is impossible. it doesn't work under our system and the president can't order a wiretap himself and they can explain maybe how damaging this allegation was. the intelligence community speaks about speaking truth to power and tomorrow is a chance to do that. >> something being impossible has not stopped our president before. ken dilanan in washington. thank you very much. >> good to be with you. >> let's bring in barbara lee from my home state california, and she sits on the budget and appropriations committee. >> good to be with you today. >> i want to start by getting your expectations and reactions from this intel committee hearing that will take place tomorrow. are we going to get direct answers from fbi director james comey on questions on russia's volvement in the ection? >> let's hope so and especially what congressman adam siff said, i think we have to
understand that a lot of this could be classified, but i think the public has a right to know if terms of the russian interference and possible collusion in our elections undermining our democratic process. also, i think it's extremely important that mr. comey put to rest the lies that president trump is putting out there in terms of president obama bugging and wiretapping trump tower. there is no evidence of that and that needs to be put to rest and also, i just have to say that president trump needs to apologize to president obama because in one of his tweets he said bad guy, sick guy. we have to remember that president trump is the founder of the birther movement. he has done this over and over again trying to delegitimize our first african-american president and at some point he needs to keep his views to himself, but
minimally, he needs to apologize at this point. >> you said, minimally the president should apologize to president obama for his remarks on twitter calling him potentially a sick man. what else would you like to see from the president on that front? >> well, i think the president needs to really come forward and talk about who he really is and his agenda, and i'm going to talk just a little bit now about the budget. when you have a steve bannon in the white house, a member of the national security council, a white supremist, former editor of breitbart news and the domestic security policy, that's very dangerous. his fingerprints are all over the muslim plan and all over the budget. remember, he said he wanted to deconstruct the administrative state. when you look at the budget, that is exactly what he has done. they have put millionaires and billionaires in charge of our federal agencies, and each agency such as the department of health and human services headed
by secretary price, $15 billion cut on top of that 24 million people are going to lose healthcare as a result of repealing the affordable care act which this secretary supports. this is what is meant by deconstructing the administrative state and so president trump needs to clean house. he needs to remove steve bannon from the national security council and from the white house. >> well, you talked about some of these cuts. epa, 31% cuts. state department, 29% cut. is there any area, we're looking there, department of agriculture, 21% cut. is there any area in the federal budget, congresswoman, that you would cut? >> when you look at the military budget you're talking about an increase of $54 billion. now i fully and strongly support a strong national security, protecting our troops and making sure they have everything that they need. their quality of life issues are extremely -- are of extreme concern to me, but when you look
at the fact that there is at least $125 billion in the military budget and the pentagon that could be cut because it's part of the waste, fraud and abuse that we see day in and day out in terms of the military budget and so i am extremely disappointed that they're coming forward now with another war budget of $54 billion and we can cut that military budget by at least $150 to $200 billion and still maintain a strong national security and not take away funding and resources from the most vulnerable. my heart goes out to trump supporters because they're the ones who are going to lose out. low-income individuals, people who are just struggling to make ends meet, the middle class, poor people, they're going to end up paying for this increase in the military budget, and it is immoral. >> congresswoman, sorry to interrupt you. let's talk specifically about one of those cuts. meals on wheels. it's created an uproar across
the country. what would you say to the administration for the proposed cut that would directly affect the service that helps so many people who can't afford these services on their own? >> meals on wheels, a cut on meals on wheels will hurt donald trump supporters as well as my supporters and constituent, and i must say that what i would say to the president and to steve bannon is come forward and say i'm sorry. we did not mean to do this to our seniors. they don't deserve this. they don't deserve the fear and anxiety that this is creating and so they should just stop this and they should go back to the drawing board and put forth a budget that really reflects american value, moral values as well as fiscal responsibility. >> all right. congresswoman barbara lee, appreciate it. good to see you. thanks a lot. >> thank you. all right. so much to talk about, so much to talk about when it comes to how to pay for a border wall, but no wall can actually stop a
surging population, the biggest surging population of undocumented immigrants. they are coming from asia. we put a face on this story and that is coming up next. plus, the washington post reporter who wrote about the infighting auspicion that congresswoman lee was just talking about, behind the scenes in the trump white house. that story, too, coming up at the top of the hour. will your business be ready when growth presents itself? american express open cards can help you take on a new job,
this week president trump asked congress for billions of dollars to build his proposed border wall with mexico, and much of the immigration debate is focused on mexican, but there is another surging population of undocumented immigrants that cannot be walled off. since 2007 more undocumented immigrants have overstayed legal visas, you see it right here, than have crossed over the mexican border. i met part of them as part of of a reality check on the president's signature campaign promise. president trump wants to build a wall with mexico to keep out undocumented immigrant, but the
reality is in recent years people are coming from a different continent and on a different mode of transportation entirely. >> i'm asian-american, but i'm korean. when i tell people i'm undocumented the first thing they do is nothing because they're confused. it's a conflicting thing. >> because most people associate the issue of undocumented immigration -- >> with the border. >> with the border and latinos primarily with mexicans. >> 30% of undocumented people came to the u.s. with visa and overstayed it. >> is that what your parents did? >> yeah. that's what we did. >> after peaking 12.2 million, america's undocumented stands at just over 11 million today. the be in of undocumented people from mexico has dropped to less than a million while asians have risen to the 10% of the overall total. >> i can't believe it. >> that you're going to harvard? >> i can't believe i'm visiting harvard. >> most people think that
because they're like me, your grades sucked. you thought you weren't going to get into harvard because you were undocumented. >> what happened? >> so i was in this internship thing in the middle of the program the director comes to me and she asked me to come to her office. she sits me down in a chair and tells me i'm sorry, but we don't let illegal aliens participate in our program. >> what did you -- wow. >> did a chill go through you when she said that to you? >> yeah. so i -- so i think immediately when i came out of the office i cried. >> so you found out you're undocumented and then you applied to harvard and, what? in your mind against all odds you end up here? >> yeah. >> he is protected by deportation by daca, the obama policy, and most came to the u.s. as adults and aren't protected. immigrants like terry villasenor, a home health care
worker in los angeles. >> you have a clock here and the clock has manila time and this is where we are. this is l.a. time. >> that is correct. >>ow in? >> a lot of time we text and message our family in the philippines. >> that's where you're from? >> that's where i'm from. >> do you think you would go back any time soon? >> if i go back i won't be back in america. >> because i'm undocumented. >> as immigration from mexico and latin america declines, asians are the largest foreign-born group in the united states by 2025. >> this is your brother and that's your fiance? >> yeah. >> you're undocumented, too. >> yes. >> also undocumented and did everybody come here on an airplane? >> yeah. >> yeah. you all flew here. >> tourist visa. >> everybody. everybody just decided we're going to overstay our visa and we'll compromise our visa and now we're going to be in the united states illegally. >> we are here to stay because
we exerted our life, effort, our body and soul our mind just to work and to contribute a lot. >> would a wall stop people coming from the philippines? >> no. >> no. >> no. >> because we came here legally with a visa, tourist visa. you cannot swim from the philippines to here. >> it's hard. >> it doesn't make a difference. >> that would be a far swim. >> it is a far swim, indeed. another thing we learned this week after latin americans, the second largest number of unauthorized immigrants in the united states are from china. new questions coming up about whether republicans have gotten themselves into a no-win situation on health care. some answers are coming up next. thanks, man. imagine if the things you bought every day earned you miles to get to the places you really want to go.
we will offer half as much federal subsidies as the democrats. we're never going to win that bidding war. it's a huge mistake and a public relations nightmare. they should scrap it all, start over and let's have a real, meaningful debate about how to fix this. >> that was kentucky senator rand paul, a staunch opponent, of course, of the trump administration's new health care bill that heads to a full house vote later this week. i want to bring in peter emerson, huffington post contributor and susan del percio, i want to start with you. back to the drawing board, rand paul says. what's your reaction to that? >> it's not quite back to the drawing board, but what we're seeing right now will not make it through the house, that's for sure. there will be significant changes. >> go ahead, peter. >> i find myself in an unusual position of having to agree with rand paul. i worked for ted kennedy for a number of years and that was the main issue that he'd hoped that would be his legacy and it has been to some degree, but ultimately, this debate is
focused on one aspect of health care and that's the insurance that people desperately need, but there is another big issue that needs to be debated and i think rand paul has addressed it, as well. that's the cost of medicine, of delivering health. we have the highest cost of any industrialized nation in the world and we rank the lowest in outcomes. >> our life expectancy and i went to canada and did a story on this, we pay more americans per capita than any other country in the world and we live far less long as most advanced economies in the world. what kind of opportunity do you think this provides at this point, peter, to the democrats? >> huge opportunity because the carter administration faced 19% unemployment. i was part of that administration. oil was the number one, but the second, very, very big, significant factor was health care costs. so this is a real opportunity to bring that whole issue of why are we engaging in these arms races at hospitals her in maattan? six hospitals with cat scans
that cost upward of $3 million or mris, doesn't make sense. that needs to be part of this debate if we'll arrive at good coverage at a reasonable cost with success. >> i have a sneaking suspicion, susan, that it's not going to be to become that nuanced and it will become he said-she said, democrats versus republicans and do you think it will be a fallout to come at least during the midterm elections? >> it's hard to tell because what i was originally going to say no, is because if they keep going and they say this is what we were able to get done and this is what we were fighting for. we know that obamacare doesn't work. this is what we offered. that could work well on their messaging. the x factor is donald trump. we don't know how far the ball is going to get down the line. is it going to hit the 70, 80-yard mark and all of a sudden a tweet come down from donald trump and blow the whole thing up? so i think that's what
republicans are most concerneded about in this process. on the flip side, donald trump has met with democrats on things like prescription drug costs and that is something that moves him more to the populus. so he's saying there will be a few things there that he has to get done and if he stays with that kind of mode it could be successful. >> on the federal government having the ability to the negotiate prescription drug prices had a democratic congressman on this morning that said he was in agreement with the president on that. do you agree with susan here? >> yes. it makes a very good point and we may see the salvation of part of this debate lie with trump and the more populist movement. in the senate, though, we have a real problem. that is mcconnell is trying to protect not only his margin at the moment, but to increase it for obvious reasons when the majority of the democratic ats are up in 2018 and there is a hugeolical game being played in the senate and that's why i think he might let it go down. >> i want to talk about quickly
what we heard from barbara lee asking the president to apologize for the budget cuts, because we only have a couple of seconds left that he has put forward in the budget today, what are the odds of happening? >> it's not going to happen. the president will say this is an opening bid and we'll move forth from there. plus, it's also the congress will restore most of these cuts in the budget. there's very little doubt. >> what does worry me is the fact that there is a belief as it began in the reagan administration that when you start making cuts, social cuts like to meals on wheels that the private sector steps in and the reality is that the studies were done after the reagan cuts it does not. the private sector does not step up and it is not their responsibility either. >> good to see you both. >> thank you. >> coming up at the top of the hour, congresswoman jackie spear of the house intelligence committee and the biggest question for fbi director james comey tomorrow. you will get it here first. don't go anywhere. it is a big .
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