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fast hour here on msnbc. that does it for us on this extremely busy news day. i'll kick it over to ali velshi who is joining us on our beautiful set. >> hallie have a good afternoon and rest of the day. >> the house votes on the gop plan we believe. but right now republicans do not have the votes they need. this hour president trump making a last-minute pitch to freedom caucus holdouts. and the house intel committee divided as the republican chair says he's seen reports that president trump was monitored by u.s. agencies. the democrats making a bombshell claim about the trump campaign's alleged collusion with russia. >> i don't want to go into
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specifics but i will say there is evidence that is not circumstantial and it very much worthy of investigation. >> and in the u.k. overnight, police raids, at least eight arrests, all in relation to yesterday's deadly terror attack. what we know about the suspect so far and what we know about the victims, which now include one american. we're live on the ground in london. good morning, everyone. i'm ali velshi in washington, d.c. wb right nhere right now a intention push is under way to find the 215 votes necessary to pass the republican plan to repeal and replace obamacare. it's what's proving to be the president's biggest test so far. as of now our count shows there are 30 house republicans leaning toward or planning to vote no. that would mean republicans are eight votes short of that magic
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250 number needed for passage. already this morning this tweet from president trump. "you were given many lies with obamacare. go with our plan. call your rep and let them know you're behind ahca. in just a half hour president trump is scheduled to meet with members of the conservative house freedom caucus and those are the chief holdouts in refusing to support the gop plan. however, there may be movement as chairman mark meadows announced late last night. >> the president and i came to an agreement in principle. i think what we're trying to do now is to make sure that our agreement is actually something that can be executed in a way that passes the senate. >> and we note all this is unfolding exactly seven years to the day. you remember that picture that president obama signed his signature health care bill into
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law. the former president issuing a statement this morning saying the fight for the affordable care act was about more than health care, it was about the character of our country. this fight is still about all that today. kristin welker joins us live now. a lot of action today. krist kristen, tell us more about what president trump is dmoing in these final hours to win over holdouts. >> reporter: the stakes couldn't be higher. he worked the phones over night and he's going to be meeting with the freedom caucus in just about half an hour now. what is at issue and what is this potential concession? the house freedom caucus members, conservatives say the health care plan has too many regulations like obamacare, they don't like it. so the concession is essentially to allow health care providers to not offer what are called essential health benefits. that means they wouldn't
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necessarily need to sign off on things like maternity leave, mental health services or even care for pediatrics. so those are going to be some controversial proposals if you are a moderate because moderates say, hey, wait a minute that, could effectively strip critical parts of health care coverage, but proponents say, no, it's actually giving consumers more choice and more options. so that's where the stakes are at this hour, ali. the question is is this going to win over key holdouts? a lot of members are actually calling for more regulations to be lifted. they're calling for the white house to go even further. based on my conversations here behind the scenes, this is as far as the administration is prepared to go. one more potential hurdle, let's say that house freedom caucus members sign off on this, let's say it does pass the house. this concession creates a potential procedural problem in the senate. there's still a lot of potential hurdles here, ali, but i am told
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the president feeling confident, feeling optimistic as these final hours as they wait for that vote, ali. >> that is one thing donald trump is great at doing regardless. this guy can send out a message of it's going to work, i'm in charge, i can make a deal. we're going to talk a lot more than essential health benefits and i suspect we'll be seeing a lot of you as well today. kristen welker at the white house. and kasie hunt on the other end of pennsylvania avenue, also a busy day for you. house republicans are scheduled to hold a closed door meeting this morning on the health plan. that was cancelled at the last minute. why? >> it was put off, ali, because quake fra quite frankly they don't have anything to talk about until the freedom caucus members come back from the white house. we're waiting to hear what comes out of that meeting and then i think it's going to be off to the race ps they've real scheduled paul ryan's press conference, he holds a press
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conference this time every week. they've rescheduled it from its normal morning time until about 3:30 this afternoon. it really all does depend on what comes out of that meeting because they are still short of votes. the reality is what we have seen in the last couple of hours is more moderate republicans, republicans in swing disabilities, who are coming out against this bill. had you a congresswoman from washington state say that, you yesterday had charlie dent, the congressman from pennsylvania come out and say, look, i can't vote for this. these are people who really want to be with speaker ryan. they are traditionally allies of his, they have been people who have him govern the conference and help push things through when there were tough votes to take. they typically have been on the side of -- i don't quite want to say the governing wing of the party but in an era where the freedom caucus has in many times held bills who hostage, of cour john boehner throws his hand up
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in the air and says forget it, i'm not dealing with this. it's becoming more clear as the day goes on that the concessions that the white house is making are causing problems for the speaker with the more moderate members. and paul ryan, the house speaker is negotiating with those moderates and we've been seeing members walk by this hallway. the speaker's office is just behind me a few hundred feet. they've been coming and going from his office. that was happening late into the night last night and i think it's going to keep happening until they get to a point where they have to make a decision whether to put this on the floor. >> some of the messaging is suggesting they're getting cler to a deal. is that because you convince a whole bench of freedom ccus to do this you get a bunch of people switching from no to yes? >> that's the basic explanation. the moderate members are the ones you want to watch out for right now. but there's a question about whether there's enough of them.
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you'd have to combine those but there are i would call them the hell nos. that's what thomas massey has been saying about this in the freedom caucus, people who are simply unlikely to ever budge. i think if the president can crack a deal with the freedom caucus in this meeting, the question about our whip counts will be do the moderates add up with the hell nos to get us past 22 no votes. if the freedom caucus goes, it's going to be a lot easier for the speaker to do it but still on the edge. >> kasie, thanks for that. kasie hunt at capitol hill. we want to talk more now about obamacare's so-called essential health benefits that may now be in jeopardy. republicans leaders are reportedly considering eliminating those benefits to win over those hell no votes casey was just talking about. those include about ten different things, pregnancy, maternity, newborn care, mental health, prescription drugs, outpatient care, hospitalization, emergency room,
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rehab, lab, diagnostic tests and pediatric care. joining me now is senior national correspondent for the huffington post. he's also the author of "sick." these are things that some parts of the population need, by definition everybody doesn't need that, right? half the population doesn't need maternity care. a lot of people have come on air and said why do you make me pay for that? that's because it creates a risk pool that makes it cheaper for somebody who actually need maternity care. >> when you talk about the concept of insurance, we're talking about getting care for illnesses that not everybody gets. people always talk about maternity care. why should men have to pay for maternity care? we'll put aside the general that it does take a man to make a
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baby. put that aside. the concept is risk pooling. it to take expenses which for any one person would be crippling and spread them over the whole population on the theory that anybody can get sick, anybody can be born a man or woman or a boy or a girl and what you're saying is we all pay into this risk pool and all share it, it affordable for everybody over the corse of their life time rather than saying, gee, you're going to have a baby, you're going to have to pay for that. you have someone in your family with mental health problems, that's on you to pay. >> what's the net effect of taking this out? clearly men with no mental health issues and a lot of these issues that we've got will pay less. a woman with prescription eye glasses and a mental health issue is going to pay much, much, much, much more. some would say that's fair, that's a market system. >> this is the debate. this is in the essential debate
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about health care in this system right now. adding these requirements makes premiums more expensive for everybody. you're spreading it very broad le they do cause premiums to go up. the trade-off is if you take those away then premiums for the whole pool come down ail little bit. for those pao who need the services, their bills go through the roof. it's $15,000 according to milliman to pay for a normal delivery and prenatal care. you're saying for a few extra dollars in premiums for everybody, can you do it that way or tell the people who are going to have children you're either responsible for $15,000 in cost or some very expensive ryder. >> i want to try to understand from a whole health care cost perspective, everybody who pays, insurer, individual government, america pays twice as much per
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person than any other developed country. what does this do, taking the central health benefits out of the requirement of insurance companies, does it overall reduce the money we spend on health care? what does it do? >> this is such an important point. you will hear conservatives and republicans say we are reducing costs. that's not what this does. this shifts costs, takes it away from society and puts it on those people and individuals who need it. you're going to hear republicans say this increases choice. >> the way insurance. >> because insurance can't don't insure sick people willingly. >> you don't want to be the only insurance company out there covering mental health because then you lose -- >> i believe nancy pelosi is talking now. if so, let's go and listen in. moments ago this happened.
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listen in. >> they are making being a woman a preexisting condition again, stripping guaranteed maternity care is a pregnancy tax, pure and simple. worsening the addiction epidemic and making it harder to access mental health care, making it more expensive to be sick in america. >> all right. so that was nancy pelosi talking about the same thing. thank you for the timing on that, that we were just talking about. one last question to you, jonathan. what if you wanted to take the overall cost that we spent, the double that america spends per person on health care, somewhere between 9,000 and 10,000 a year. every other developed country is 5,000 or below. if you wanted to just start to lower the cost of health care overall, what's the recipe? >> the way the europeans do, they dictate prices, they
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control prices. we do a little bit of that. some say we should do a lot more. there are conservative and creative ideas about how to control costs. if you were actually going to have a conversation about reducing that, could you imagine some bipartisan compromise but the thing to remember is that's hard work. the affordable care act has pilots and initiatives to make that happen, that's going to take time. that's a 10, 20, 30-year project. so when the cost control for now, it's going to take time, be very aware. when you hear them say control costs what they really mean is shift costs. >> we don't have time for a 30-year conversation, this vote is today! thanks for coming in and helping us make this a little bit clearer. joining us is congressman mark amadet of nevada. congressman, good to see you. thank you for being with us. i've been watching your twitter feed a lot and you're getting it from both sides. you're gotting it from people
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who say can you not vote for this thing because a whole bunch of people in nevada are going to vote for this and you're getting it from people who say you've been promising to repeal obamacare for a long time. >> in the legislation that's proposed right now will do nothing to enable me to go back to nevada and tell people their rates are going to go down any time in the near future that, their choices are going to go up or deductibles are going to go down. we've taken a deep dive into this for the lamonth -- last month. this legislation for nevada is not looking good. >> so i appreciate that you have both on this show and elsewhere, you're very, very engaged in studying the topic. you seem a little more removed from the politics than some folks are. you must be getting a lot of pressure today because we've
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gone from 26 people not wanting this bill to now we look like we might be at 30. are you getting the screws put to you? >> of course this process involves people hearing or letting you know what they think but i got to tell you, we're getting more comfortable because the default decision is the old j.c. watts, good policy is good politics. we're defaulting to the policy on this, not the political stuff that's flying around. >> so as of now, we don't know what the new schedule is, but we're somewhere within eight hours of a vote. is there some specific plan that you have for today? do you have a meeting or a phone call from the president? have you talked to the president within the last 12 hours or house leadership? >> no, i haven't gotten any calls from the russians on anything, i haven't gotten any calls from the president. it's a good thing i don't have any feelings or they'd be hurt.
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that's fine. they're concentrating i think on both edges of the spectrum. my record has been one as pretty much a team player but i'm not going to go back to nevada and tell those folks i did something good for them if i don't think that's enact the cain fact the . >> we're having a conversation on the essential health benefits. maternity care, for instance. where do you stand on essential health benefits being pulled out of the bill? >> it's another piece of the puzzle but we looked at it in terms of what does that chang as far as -- change as far as the health care in nevada. it may not be the same as health care in philadelphia but i don't think that changes our matrix for going back to nevada and saying it all right now. i think people's expectations from this last political cycle are fairly immediate. a lot of the language you hear
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being used right now is, hey, we're going to do this and this is going to be the case. i don't believe that could be the case. before the next election sykecy your preach guest alluded to it, it takes years for good law. as i promised, i'll have more on health care. joining me, thank you doubly, because you were here yesterday when we didn't get to have a conversation with you because of the terrible things going on in london. let me start with why you're against this bill. heritage has done a lot of work going back 15, 20, 30 years on health care. for a conservative group, you're one of the cutting edge on
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understanding health care. the roots of this are not what you like. >> that's right. i think the fundamental reason we have a problem with it is because it doesn't fully repeal obamacare, and it keeps a lot of the fundamental structure of obamacare in place and doesn't address the costs. >> this one does no more to address it. let's talk about what heritage has always said and that is if you wanted to do something involving covering everybody or some people, you would have to have some form of universality of it. >> in the employer group market, there are regulations and incentive, not mandates, incentives to encourage people -- use incentives that are already working. >> that's because they mandate a
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risk pool. two-thirds or three quarters of americans get that. when my company, comcast, we all buy it. so it's a risk pool. >> and we can create risk pools in the states. if we allow states to manage in this manner -- that's going to necessarily broaden the pool and get at that lower cost of a risk pool. >> other than a mandate or tax credit, how do you incentivize people to join an insurance program? >> you keep things people like. people don't want to be denied for preexisting coverage and you give people choices, your last guest was talking about the essential health benefits coverage. a single 20-year-old man doesn't necessarily want to buy a maternity coverage or pediatric care. >> but then every woman end up paying more. >> that's not necessarily more. this is a highly regulated market at the state level.
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if states want to choose to mandate that maternity coverage, that's their choice. the point is health care, this kind of health care in florida looks different from this health care in wyoming. states need to be able to make these choices. >> rachel bovard from the hair t -- heritage foundation. >> coming up, i'll speak with illinois democratic congressman mike quigley who sits on the intelligence committee when i get back. higher! higher! parents aren't perfect, but then they make us kraft mac & cheese and everything's good again. you need one of these. you wouldn't put up with an umbrella that covers you part way, so when it comes to pain relievers, why put up with just part of a day? aleve, live whole not part.
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. all right. fallout today from two huge bomb shells dropped by house intelligence committee leaders. the chairman, devin nunes, apologized this morning to the intel committee but wouldn't say for what. democratic colleagues are questioning his objectivity because of his unusual move to brief the president yesterday about information that he says bothered him in intelligence reports. >> it was a judgment call on my part, and that's -- at the end of the day, sometimes you make the right decision, sometimes you make the wrong one. >> it's worth noting the chairman of the house intel committee and the ranking member, a democrat, are both supposed to have access to the same intel information, much higher than what most americans can get. he didn't tell adam schiff, the ranking member. he went to the white house
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instead. some democrats are calling for nunes to step aside. we heard the strongest accusation yet from ranking member adam schiff about the ongoing investigation over possible collusion between trump campaign team members and russian operatives in the 2016 election. >> i can tell you that the case is more than that and i can't go into the particulars but there is more than circumstantial evidence now. so, again, i think -- >> so you have seen direct evidence of collusion. >> i don't want to go into specifics but i will say that there is evidence that is not circumstantial. >> joining me is congressman muk quiglkwi -- mike quickgley who sits on e house intelligence committee. intelligence committee, the chairman and the ranging member, have clearance that is very close to that of the president of the united states. they get real intelligence information.
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>> i think that's absolutely true. the committee as a whole gets information that most congressmen simply do not get, and the ranging and the chairman, the gang of eight, they get information first and they get a little more than we do. so that's certainly the case. >> and you have certain responsibilities with that information. within one of them is secrecy. i guess you get trained on this, you're told what you can and can not say and the other is methodology, what you do when you get intelligence information. that's where this comes into question, what the chairman did when he got information that may or may not have been salient to things you're investigating. >> absolutely. my first concern is that this wasn't shared with the committee as a whole. typically we get briefed by the intelligence community two, three times a week. that's what happens. we all get briefed at the same time. we're allowed to ask as many questions as we want and we synthesize that information to understand policy as a whole. what didn't take place was that
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wasn't shared and unfortunately the chairman chose to go to the white house, which is particularly concerning given director comey just this week announcing that there is an investigation into the russian probe taking place with the very same white house that we're talking about. so if this is going to be a detached, bipartisan, credible investigation, you simply don't go to those who are the subject of the investigation and tell them something like this. >> i'm not on any intelligence committee. i sort of figured that out just from watching tv shows on spies and things like that. listen to what john mccain said to matt lauer on the "today" show this morning. >> i've not seen anything like it and it's very disturbing. that's the reason we need a select committee to clear this whole issue up. intelligence committees and armed services committees all work in a bipartisan fashion.
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i'm sorry to see what's happened over there. >> so let me ask this a couple ways. do you think devin nunes should step down? do you think the house intelligence committee can work in a bipartisan fashion, and do you think this investigation should now move to either a select committee or independent investigators. >> let me start with the last one first. i think that different committees have different strengths. as we discussed, the fact that the intel committee works in a top secret fashion, we're able to review materials that otherwise would not be available. can the committee work on a bipartisan fashion? it always has before this. particularly chairman nunes prior to the trump white house was particularly fair in terms of how he ran the committee, what's taken place since then is disturbing and frustrating beyond comprehension. that has to end. so i think the discussion today was one of saying, look, we have to reboot. we have to follow the facts
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wherever they are, the american public has the right to know wherever they lead us. what took place in the last few days simply can't happen given. do i think the committee can work in a bipartisan fashion? it always has. i'm hoping that this is a horrible bump in the road and we can continue this investigation beginning with the next hearing next tuesday. >> congressman, good to talk to you. thank you for joining us. congressman mike quigley of illinois. i want to bring in msnbc's chief legal correspondent, ari melber, my good friend. the intel -- devin nunes we're talking about, may have been incident collection of trump team -- i want to play this. >> i was able to determine that it looks like it was legal collection, incidental collection but then made itself into intelligence reports. >> okay. legal collection but incidental. can we just -- let's just
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explain that. >> legal incidental collection is routine. it's what the spy agencies do day in and day out. it refers to the notion that lawful surveillance was conducted, that is likely through a fisa warrant or some or lawfully authorized collection and incidental means officials or transition members basically are not -- i'll speak to this full screen in a second. let's answer your question first. the folks who might have been incidentally collected are not the specific targets of the material. one example we do know about, according to public reports there's transcript of conversation that former national security adviser flynn had with a russian official. that is not a bad thing. that is generally considered a normal or good thing because it shows that the surveillance that's going on tracks the conversations and contacts with adversaries and that can sweep up transition officials,
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politicos, journalists, et cetera. i will tell you this, ali, you just were discussing this with a member of the intelligence committee, it is very hard to understand what chairman nunes was trying to do. whatever he was trying to do, he blew it. this is a white house that is currently under this inquiry and as confirmed this week also under federal criminal inquiry and he went over and privately on what he called a partisan basis, a one-party basis briefed the head of the government, president donald trump, who is the boss of people who we know are associated underneath the inquiry. the fbi isn't briefing the targets of the inquiry and the committee shouldn't be either. i know we're about out of time. the last point is whether this itself releases any information. i'll give you the standard here. the fisa material can't be disclosed unless a judge determines it necessary and then according to common law, the judge would have to order disclosure provided there's adequate security. so the remaining question as we
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look at it is whether the chairman has also started to suggest information that might reveal the nature of targets, which itself would be its own separate problem. >> ari, i know this must be a serious matter because you didn't actually quote any musical artists in delivering the news. >> you know, we have to always pick our moments. >> it's always a good moment when you're on the show. >> thank you, sir. >> coming up, breaking nus overnight, arrests overnight in london in the death of victims, now including one american. y'lly three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do? drive three-quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement™, you'd get your whole car back.
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we're following more breaking news on the deadly attack in london. nbc's matt bradley is there live with the latest. a suspect has been identified, matt? >> that's right. halidm omasoud is in his 50s.
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he was killed in the attack that he launched last night. i'm standing in front of the dragnet that has led to looking for him and any accomplices involved in this attack has led right here to birmingham to this humble sort of strip mall and set of apartments right here in the center of the city. as you can see behind me, there is a persian restaurant that's right next to the door that police raided late last night, somewhere around 10 p.m. to 2 a.m. we just heard from the man who owns the flat above this and he says he has no idea who he was renting the flat to, that they were vetted by a realtor agency. his little press conference raised more questions than answers. still, we have so few details. one of the real conflicts here is that police are still saying that masoud operated as a lone wolf and yet there have been eight arrests made trying to
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track down who might be his accomplice. we're still trying to see how this raid played into masoud's plan and his eventual death along with three other people. >> 52-year-old british born kahled masoud. >> and ali arouzi is in london. what do you know? >> reporter: a little more about the american victim. we hear he was here on his 25th anniversary with his wife visiting europe. his wife was also injured in the attack, she's in hospital here in london suffering from some very serious injuries. the mood here, ali, is one of shock and people are trying to come to terms with what's happened here. this is a city that's no strange
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tore terrori to terrorism but it's still shocking that such a brazen attack took part here yesterday. a lot of buildings have their flags at half staff and today done is a hive of police activity, screeching sirens, police cars are rushing through the city, the air is buzzing with police helicopters, the thames river has a heavily armed policemen go up and down the river. but people are not letting it affect their lives, it back to business here in london. >> thanks very for your reporting, ali arouzi, in london. right now president trump is
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cohigher!ad! higher! parents aren't perfect, but then they make us kraft mac & cheese and everything's good again. as we continue to report on republican leaders working feverishly to get the votes they need to pass their health care bill in the house, what is the democrat strategy going for? i want to turn to former democratic governor of kentucky, steve bashir. thank you for being with us. i can't really get enough of this discussion about essential health benefits that some
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republicans are trying to get removed from the obligations of insurance companies. i just want to draw a picture for my viewers about how this might affect a woman under 40 who would like maternity coverage. if you were to take away the essential health benefits, a woman under 40 compared to a plan who doesn't involve maternity would pay between 25 and 70% more for insurance, maybe $1,000 per more year. what do you make of that, sir? >> ali, this is a crazy process that ty're going through up there right now. i'm getting ready to publish a book entitled "people over politics." if there was ever an example of just the reverse, politics over people, it's what these republicans are doing today. they're jerking this, they're moving that, all with a result of we've got to win. they don't give a hoot about the women out here who need
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maternity care. they don't give a hoot about anybody except winning. and, you know, they may win a temporary victory here today, but the losers are the american people. you know, when you start fooling with those essential health benefits, it's a puzzle. you start jerking this and jerking that and what you're doing is basically creating a bunch of preexisting conditions that people are going to have to pay through the roof to get covered. >> i just spoke to rachel bovard from heritage wear they're supporting an idea to give states the chance to create risk fools. let's talk about kentucky. roughly 13.6% of kentucky residents were uninsured. three years later that number was cut in half. we've since received cbo projections that tens of millions of people could lose coverage under the new plan. tell me why is bad for a place like kentucky to do this. >> well, kentucky's had some of the worst health statistics in
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the world. they've had them ever since they started keeping statistics. along came the affordable care act and gave us the tool to change that. we expanded medicaid and within 18 months 500,000 kentuckians had signed up for racoverage. today they're receiving care, their health is getting better, our economy is doing better because more money is infoosuse into the economy. it's a win-win in kentucky. there are problems with the affordable care act and we ought to fix them but let's set down together and fix them and remember who we're doing this for. it's people. it's not our own political gain. it's the people of the united states that we got to keep in mind. >> governor, good to talk to
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what have you got to lose. >> it was then candidate trumps go to line when attempting to court african-american voters. he claimed we are living in horrific conditions in the country's inner cities. the president had answers to those questions presented to him in a meeting with the congressional black caucus yesterday. we have a lot to lose was the title of the 130 page policy memo that members drafted for the meeting. michigan congresswoman brenda lawrence was there and joins us now. thank you for being with us. this whole meeting came up because of an awkward moment last month between a reporter april rooen and at president at a news conference. was the meeting less awkward than the exchange with april
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was? >> the meeting was very serious business meeting. there was not a lot of formalities. it was direct to the point, what do we have to lose with america? we were honest with the president and we said when you depict us as a race of people as being in the most deplorable state it does not advance the relationship of african-americans with you, mr. president, or our sense of respect and hope that you will be the president for all people. we talked about how when you talk about unemployment and the conditions that you talked about that is real in some communities, what are the solutions so that we can make life better? education. summer programs. when we talk about second chance for those returning citizens. when we talk about economic development u bass there are business owners and educated african-american who is are actively involved in our economy.
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and where are the opportunities that's going to happen if we get this infusion into infrastructure? how are we going to ensure that there is call opportunities for all businesses and to use federal dollars? >> congresswoman, member of the congressional black caucus have said, including to me and on this show that the later part of what president trump said when he first made that statement was somewhat interesting, the argument that you have supported democrats for so long, and the condition of african-americans in some instances in urban cities has not improved commensurate to that level of support. what's your comment on that? >> my comment, and it was clear -- we said this is your legacy, president. you now are sitting in the oval office. so comparisons to the past is null and void. what are you going to do? how are we going to work together? where is your level of understanding of the opportunities and solutions that
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we can have so your legacy will not be continued as one that did not respond to african-americans in america, that the quality of life for african-americans and our needs -- and we wanted to be real clear. when you talk about these challenges in the inner city, it doesn't belong exclusively to african-americans. it's about poverty in america. and we have advocated that we in america must do more. one of the things we pushed back on is mr. president, your budget does not reflect that you have the sensitivity or the overall grasp of these programs that you are cutting that directly impact and lift people from poverty. >> congresswoman, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> congresswoman brenda lawrence of michigan. we will take a break. wrk we'll be right back. come on dad!
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we are monitoring fbi director james comey. he is delivering the keynote remarks at an event at the university of texas in austin. so far he focused on cyber security and how intelligence agencies work together than to front. but he just spoke about figuring out how about people radicalized. listen. >> humans of all ages, of all backgrounds are seeking meaning and a small group of all different kinds of ages and background spread all over the country are seeking meaning in this particular way. it's very difficult for us to answer the question, so what does the person you are most worried about look like?
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and how do you spot them? what are the markers of their radicalization? that is something we continue to work on but remains elusive to us that algorithm to tell us who the bad guys are and where they are. >> that is fbi director james comey at the university of texas austin. thank you for watching msnbc live, right now on msnbc, andrea mitchell reports. andrea? >> thank you. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," judgment day, republicans scrambling with the health care bill at stake. the white house meeting right now with servetive house members to try for a last-ditch deal. for every arm twist there is a defector. will they have a vote. >> we need to partial rerepeal this, replace it, retain parts and overhaul parts. i feel this bill misses the mark. >> the house republican chair

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