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>> i'm disapinted because we could have had it, so i'm disappointed. i'm a little surprised, to be honest with you. we really had it. it was pretty much there within grasp. obamacare is the law of the land, it will remain the law of the land until it's replaced. >> democrats are hailing the gop stumble on president obama's signature act. >> it's a victory. what happened on the floor is a victory for the american people, for our seniors, for people with disabilities. it's pretty exciting for us. yesterday our anniversary, today a victory for the affordable care act, more importantly, for the american people. >> down the road next on a the agenda for president trump, tax reform. will the gop majority's failure on health care make any deals on taxes impossible? then the great divide over noel gorsuch. will any democrat vote to confirm the supreme court nominee or does that end in a bitter fight as well? that and more on "msnbc live."
we begin with the political fallout with republicans and their failed attempt to repeal the aca. chuck schumer lashing out at president trump for putting the blame on the left. he told my colleague rachel maddow last night. >> we have some ideas how to make it beshgts maybe they do, too, but they have to take repeal off the table. i think they've now seen, learn the hard way, how bad repeal is. this is indicative, a metaphor for the administration how they behaved on this, a, incompetence. i can't believe they introduced this bill and had so many of their own congress members against it from the get-go. the art of the deal is out the window or at least it doesn't work in washington. >> what are the chances of bipartisan? should republicans decide to take up health care again? here's president trump in the oval office shortly after instructing house speaker paul ryan to pull the health bill. >> the losers are nancy pelosi and chuck schumer because now
they own obamacare, they own it, 100% own it. when they all become civilize and get together and try and work out a great health care bill for the people of this country, we're open to it, totally open to it. >> it's really unclear if there will be a next time, but democrats can count on one of the most powerful voices to help lead the fight. congressman john lewis on the house floor minutes before the final vote was about to happen. >> i'm going to fight every single attempt to turn a deaf ear, a blind eye, and a cold shoulder to the sick, to our seniors, and to working families. we can do better, mr. speaker. we must do better. >> a dramatic day to close out the week. here a live picture of the white house where president trump is moving on to his next agenda item. for on that with kelly o'donnell. >> reporter: this morning the president's eye is already on his next target. >> i would say we would probably start going very, very strongly
for the big tax cults and tax reform. that will be next. >> reporter: president trump may be eager to shake off a stunning defeat. >> vote no! we can do better! >> reporter: while house speaker paul ryan seemed to absorb the body blow. >> i will not sugar coat this. this is a disappoint daigh for us. >> reporter: after all the campaigning, the negotiate, all the touted deal making skills, failing to get the republican party to pass a core republican promise, repealing obamacare, notably left the president at least briefly humbled. >> we all learned a lot. we learned a lot about loyalty. we learned a lot about the vote-getting process. >> reporter: some of that learning was delivered by the most conservative faction in the house known as the freedom caucus. their home districts are trump country. >> i'm not betrayed. they're friends of mine. i'm disappointed because we could have had it, so i'm disappointed. i'm a little surprised, to be honest with you. >> reporter: and speaker ryan who argued for weeks that this was the conservatives' only
chance to succeed on a promised repeal, consumer sentiment his cool -- >> well, i don't want to cast blame. there is a bloc of no votes that we had that is why this didn't pass. >> reporter: and kept it real. >> yeah, we'll be living with obamacare for the foreseeable future. i don't know how long lit take to replace this law. >> reporter: president trump who met with 120 lawmakers to win their support, distanced himself from any bham, despite his own immediate repeal promises. >> i never said repeal it and replace it within 64 days. i have a long time. >> reporter: and said the fault lies with democrats. >> i think the losers are nancy pelosi and chuckchumer because now they own obacare. they own it. 10 own it. >> reporter: those party leaders celebrating a victory. perhaps the happiest they've looked since november 7th. >> today a victory for the affordable care act, more importantly for the american people. >> reporter: and willing, they say, to work with president trump, who hinted his deal
making may look toward democrats next time. >> if they got together with us and got a real health care bill, i'd be totally ohm to it and i think that's going to happen. >> that was kelly o'donnell reporting with the latest there on the republican failure to agree on an obamacare replacement resonate across the country. kevin tibbles gathered people in northwest ohio to gauge their reaction. >> i voted for trump. that was the biggest reason i voted for him was the health care. i hoped there would be an improvement in the health care thing. so listening to it all this week, extremely frustrating. >> pass it or you're done. in order, he's not taking any more guf from the congress. >> it's like watching pro wrestling, who can insult each other the most and then go out for drinks after the show. >> it doesn't surprise me. i knew when obamacare came out they'd never be able to put the jeannie back in the bottle. >> i think it sends a message to
the republicans that they don't have a plan, there isn't a plan made. >> the republicans have complained for seven years. now they're arguing they can't get something through. >> there we have reaction from folks in ohio. i want to bring into the conversation francis roone yes of florida. great to have you with me. you were supportive within that 17% of folks within the gop about this health care bill. republicans have the house, the senate, the white house. what or who do you blame for the failure to even make it to the floor for a vote on this bill? >> well, just another day in the neighborhood up there. you can see that we have a lot of difference of maybe a wider difference of opinions about what to do than some of us might have thought. i thought the speaker -- i agree with the president, by the way, the speaker did a good job of trying to craft the most conservative bill that had a chance of the getting through the house and through the senate's reconciliation process.
when you think about getting those essential health benefits turned back to the states and out of the government mandate and defunded planned parenthood and providing money for blocked grants so the states could figure out what to do with medicaid, i thought those were big improvement, but unfortunately that won't happen and the democrats own it now. >> they seemed pretty gleeful yesterday in terms of this failure. and, again, i get back to this point of the majority being with the white house, the senate, and the house, and the fact that paul ryan as the speaker brought up it's hard to govern. it's easy to be the party of no. is there going to be an opportunity to bring this back or do you think that this is going to be the law of the land as the speaker said and you guys are just going to move on? >> well, i'm an intellectually honest people, and i believe what i've been saying to you and publicly and what i think is that this thing is in a death spiral and it hasn't worked out because it's based on bad socioeconomic thought. so unfortunately, a lot of
people are going to suffer until this thing comes back together, probably leld by some democrats coming to the president, like he said yesterday, say, look, we have to do something. we already have one-third of the counties in the country with one insurer. what are you going to do with one insurer? it's not working and people will be hurt until it comes up for round two. >> when we talk about those thing, death spiral or collapse, my colleague joy reed put up an opinion piece on the daily beast and is pretty firm in saying that time of language is a big lie about what it means for obamacare and moving forward, especially if republicans had over seven years to come up with a cohesive plan to actually repeal and replace. so do you think -- especially when we talk about different exchanges not working. aetna dropped out of 11 states and exchanges. however, a federal judge ruled they did so because the federal government wouldn't let them merge with humana. so the judge also ruled that aetna lied about why they quit.
t republicans are so interested in ving health care for all, why is there such a problem with the insurance companies? >> well, because there's no competition. that's the problem. you know, the genius of this bill was that it's lated high-risk people and people with expensive pre-existing conditions with a $100 billion fund to take care of them so that the underwriting for everybody else could be nor in the hash marks level range of risks that would be more affo affordable for everybody. the obamacare wants to do it by somehow making everybody buy insurance so the young people offset the old and the sick. i like the idea in this bill of isolate the highest risk, most expensive people so that everybody else has a more stable underwriting platform, the insurance companies can compete, lower premiums, and people get more choice. >> here's what president trump had to say about where he thinks health care reform can go from here. take a listen. >> i'll tell you what's going to
come out of it is a better believe, i really believe a better bill, because there were things in this bill i didn't particularly like. and i think it's a better bill. both parties can get together and do real health care, that's the best thing. obamacare was rammed down everyone's throat 100% democrat. and i think having bipartisan would be a big, big improvement. >> do you think that there is an effort or even an interest of bipartisanship on the hill? you said welcome to the neighborhood at the very top of the first question. is that even palatable, that word, bipartisan? >> i'll tell you what, i sure hope so. when you look at hamilton and read about thomas jefferson and his fights with hamilton, those guys disagreed radically about their vision for america and for the world based on governmental principles and philosophies, just like we have disagreements now. but the genius of our system is we've been able to come together for the common good of all americans, and we sure need to do that right now.
it would have been nice if we'd had at least one democratic vote yesterday. >> there wasn't even o republican vote, though, because it never got a chance to go to the floor. >>right. but i -- >> no one on record even from your own party about what this bill would have meant. wasn't that the big risk? why paul ryan was told by the president allegedly to not eve punt it on the floor because there was too big of a gamble. >> i have to say that it's different for me coming from business where you spend a lifetime trying to speak clearly and be accountable for what you do, to see the legislative sausage making. but i thu you're right. he pulled the bill because as he said he pulled the votes. >> when we look at what else is taking place on a parallel track in warnd, right now, we have the investigation into russia's interference in the u.s. election, the house chair -- the house intel chairman, devin nunes, defending the claim he
saw surveillance intelligence about president trump and his team before he took office. but i want to give everybody an opportunity to look at some of the claims and then also what he had to say on wednesday. listen to this. >> there is a lot of information in the reports that i see, in which were dozens, that would lead me to believe that the last administration and numerous agencies had a pretty good idea of what president-elect trump was up to and what his transition team was up to and who they were meeting with. >> so when we now hear from devin nunes, he's not saying if he's sure that this surveillance information is really truly a result of monitoring of trump teams or inadvertent mentions of this. do you think that devin nunes has compromised himself and does not have the speg integrity nee for the type of investigation with his -- also his counterpart, adam schiff for house intel and its investigation? >> well, you know, the old rule
in intelligence, the people that know don't say and the people that say don't know, and that seems to be playing out. i think two fundamental principles of intelligence teg are keeping your mouth shut, being quiet, not saying all that you know, and compartme compartmentalization. and it would be better to let the professionals do their job, to finish an investigation before premature comments are made. >> does that disqualify nunes based on what you just said, keep your mouth shut? >> well, i think that -- i'm not on that committee. i would like to be on that committee, but i'm not. and i think that the chairman and the ranking member probably need to get together and figure this out for the good of the american people wautz they expect complete, competent investigation as to what was going on. >> you said being intellectually honest about your answers. with president trump being in office until late january and if the intel community realized there were transition team members of the trump team that
were on registered foreign agents, would you support the intelligence community monitoring their work, giving the benefit of the doubt to an incoming president-elect that he's unaware he has unregistered foreign agents on his team? >> well, yeah. i think if there's a finding that's approved that they need to find out about someone that's an unregistered agent, that's their job. you know, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. and you can't be doing two things. you can't be working as a lobbyist and also receiving classified briefings if that's what happened. i don't know if it happened or not. i'm not on that committee, but i'd sure like to see the committee get to the bottom of it. >> congressman francis rooney, great to have you on. i appreciate your time today. ? thank you very much, thomas. we have the stall tactic. what would be accomplished if the democrats employ a filibuster to block the gorsuch nomination? won't that just trigger the nuclear option? we break that down.
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threaten the conservative republicans who were the holdouts. then you had the freedom caucus going to the white house, vice president pence coming to the capitol yesterday, bannon and priebusened it seemed like every time you turned around there was a closed-door meeting where they were just trying to get to 215 and in the end when they figured out they couldn't do it, they made a political calculation, said we know there's this group of people out there, republicans who want to be loyal to president trump, they want to be loyal to the leadership who wrote the bill, but if this thing isn't going to pass, we're not going to make them go onto the floor and vote and become a political liability in 2018. so it was a humiliating defeat for them. obviously, they wanted this for seven year, their first big legislative test, trump supposedly the deal maker. he failed. ryan is supposed to be the policy wonk. he failed. wasn't conservative enough for his conservatives. so it was quite a dramatic week. it was something to watch. not a lot of people got a lot of sleep but it was certainly worth
it for all the drama and from the media perspective, something remarkable. >> it was a lot to follow. >> and the question is what do ryan and trump do to get these guys in line because this is not the first fight that will end up humiliating if they don't figure out a new strategy. >> we know hept to vote how they feel and how their constituents elected them to office. gabrielle, do you think this comes up again or it will go dormant for now? and the big esche issue is going to be trying to get everybody in line for any tax reform bill. >> they definitely indicated they plan to move onto tax reform instead of trying immediately again for health care. and president trump did say yesterday that he thinks at some point this is going to come up again. but given how this all went down it's sort of hard to see under what scenario they think they're going to have this work out better for them. the problem was not so much that the democrats didn't come to the table or anything else, it's that republicans have had seven years to come up with an
alternative to the affordable care act, which they have railed against from day one, and they've never produced a comprehensive bill that could pass both houses of congress with either by the reconciliation bill where they only need 50 votes in the senate and it meets all of the requirements under those reconciliation rules or they can get a few democrats or moderates to come on board. that was what sunk this bill, was the fact that they just couldn't make changes that got freedom caucus members on board that wouldn't lose moderates on the other side. and there was no way this bill was going to pass the senate eve. they did get it through the house. so it's hard to see them coming up with a better version that's going to succeed a few months down the line when they've got midterm elections looming or even further down the line when president trump's re-election is coming. it's just sort of tough to envision. >> good point you make about the fact there were gop senate
colleagues who sent the message, don't kick it over here, it's only going to create more problems. mike, from this point, who becomes more vulnerable, ryan or trump? >> well, you know, at this point i think it's paul ryan. he's up for re-election in a couple year, not that that will be an issue. he's have from a very conservative district. but he's in the shame shoes john baber was. a year and a half ago john boehner was pushed out by the same group of freedom caucus members. ryan swooped in, seen as the only guy with conservative chops to satisfy them. >> you're talking about hi speakership as opposed to being re-elected for his district. how vulnerable is he to lose his speakership? >> well, you know, we don't know. the apps is we don't know. there's clearly tension between him and the freedom caucus and this is the same group that pushed out boehner. so for all the talk of ryan is the guy that can unite the party, he's in the exact same
shoes as john boehner was. he's going to have to make those kind of compromises that jop boehner did, will have to reach across the aisle when a spending fight comes up. this is only march. usually have these fights in september when the government's about to close down and there's the conservative group that doesn't want to pay for government spending. boehner had to reach across the aisle and get democrats and that's why he lost his speakership essentially. all budget fights. we haven't gotten to that point yet. when that happens, and trump will have to sign something too, a decision he'll make, he'll ayell nate conservatives in his base. but the early test for ryan, as we said, he just failed this. tax reform next and then the spending fights in april. the government will shut down when the cr end in april. if he has to reach across the aisle, which he likely will, to get nancy pelosi's help, he'll alienate these guys even more. he's in a tough spot but he knew that going in. >> john boehner probably sending
a case of merlot to speaker ryan right now. gabrielle, let me ask you finally about empowerment for democrats based on this victory that they received yesterday, will that embolden them against the nomination of supreme court nominee neil gorsuch? >> they're certainly feeling pretty good about how things went yesterday and the weeks and days leading up to this nonvote, but they're in a built of a pickle with the supreme court nomination because on the one hand they don't have the ability to block the nomination if mitch mcconnell decides to go with the nuclear option, but on the other hand, you have some democrats feeling nervous about what their re-election prospects might be in 2018, especially people like joe manchin in west virginia and heidi hidecamp in north dakota where they're mostly red states are going to want them to show that they've got some reach across the aisle mind-set and so
places like the supreme court nomination where it's almost certain as far as i can tell, gorsuch is going to get on the court one way or the other. republicans have said that. democrats can either go to the mat and i know a lot of liberal groups that have been really pressing them to do that, and minority leader schumer said that was what they were going to do. it's hard to see how that succeeds in keeping gorsuch off the court. >> off the bench. gabrielle, mike, thank you. we appreciate it. he is called president trump's human shield, and today's "new york times," house intel chairman devin nunes tried to explain his sudden reversal on a bombshell eavesdropping claim. that's next.
the president is near little ro -- residents near little rock, arkansas, surviving from a severe storm. the national weather service is trying to determine if it was an actual tornado. vancouver, washington, a small tornado uprooted trees, ripped shingles off rooftops. in washington, d.c., questions remain about the bombshell revelations from the gop chairman of the house intel committee. devin nunes is catching even more heat as he backtracks from some allegations earlier this week that president trump seems to think supports his wiretapping claim. with more on that, nbc's peter alexander. >> reporter: tonight devin nunes now saying she's not sure if president trump and his associates were monitored by u.s. spies or just mentioned by foreigners under surveillance. >> we won't know that until we actually receive all of the documentation.
>> reporter: it's a dramatic reversal from the certainty nunes showed, dropping this bombshell just 48 hours earlier. >> i have seen intelligence reports that clearly show that the president-elect and his team were i guess at least monitored. >> reporter: president trump at the time saying he felt vindicated. >> i somewhat do, i must tell you. i somewhat do. >> given the fact devin nunes doesn't actually know if the president was monitored or he was even mentioned, what is he vindicated by? >> i think there has been an acknowledgment that there are documents out there showing that people were surveilled or monitored to some degree. >> reporter: tonight new signs the investigation into the possible russia connection that's supposed to be bipartisan is instead breaking down. >> he is now interfering in this investigation. >> reporter: the intelligence committee's top democrat already upset nunes took his revelations to the president before consulting his colleagues, now accusing nunes of trying to choke off public information by canceling an open hearing with three former top officials.
>> there must have been a very strong pushback from the white house. it's hard for me to come to any other conclusion. >> reporter: instead, nunes northern plainsing the committee this ask the directors of the fbi and the national security agency to come back and that former trump campaign chairman paul manafort, whotz ties to russia are under scrutiny, is volunteering to be interviewed. >> we have people that continue to come forward and provide us information. >> reporter: an investigation becoming as controversial as the topic it's focused on. peter alexander, nbc news, the white house. >> as we all know, obamacare survives for now. but what about the doom and gloom prediction for it? are they exaggerations about the death spiral and the other words that are being used? that's next. >> just a bridge too far. differences between conservatives and moderates. >> what is your reaction that the bill isn't going forward? >> disappointed. ho!
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more now on the repeal and replace efforts and its failure after yesterday's defeat in washington with the president and the house speaker paul ryan continuing to predict doom and gloom in obamacare's near future. >> that the best thing we can do politically speaking is let obamacare explode. it is exploding right now. many states have big problems, almost all states have big problems. >> i'm really proud of the bill we produced. it would make a dramatic improvement in our health care system and provide relief by people hurting under obamacare. what's probably most troubling is the worst is yet to come can obamacare. >> the worst is yet to come. all right. so what's ahead? >> john:ing us now, the author of the best-selling "america's bitter pill." journalist and msnbc contributor steven brill. great to see you.
>> good morning. >> a wild week in washington. your general reaction to the last couple days. did you anticipate what would happen yesterday? not eve an house vote on the floor. >> i didn't, but i think now the challenge becomes making what the president said not a self-fulfilling prophesy. there's been a lot of demonstrations at town hall meetings the congressmen have had, if people are worried about health care, the next demonstrations should take place on the plaza in front of the health and human services building because the trump administration can kill health care or help obamacare survive. i'll give you one example, and take a big gulp of coffee because this is really boring stuff, but there is a provision in obamacare that allows for and in effect directs the government to subsidize low and middle income people who can't afford the dedoubleables and co-pays that they're asked to pay, which
is what the president keeps complaining about. republicans in congress sued and got a judge to stop stop those payments. the trump administration can appeal that suit or get the republicans not to pursue it and people will get the kind of relief from deductibles that they need. that's one thing. the second thing they can do which would cut health insurance premiums my guess is by 6% to 9% overall is to go ahead with the president's promise to do something about the cost of prescription drugs. it's in their hands to do that. they promised to do that. >> back to your first point about this provision, the chairman of the republican committee said members would support the bill with changes to medicaid that included imposing work requirements on some beneficiaries and letting states choose the block a grant to fund medicaid. so there's sabotage that's happened for obamacare from the gop from the outset.
>> 87% of the adults who receive medicaid have jobs. most of the rest are looking for work or are in school. so that is a completely bogus provision. whatever your politics, you need to focus on facts. that is a bogus provision. >> but if president trump is taying let the democrats come to me now, isn't it in their best interest to help implode and continue the type of sabotage and under-support we've seen from many states by not opening exchanges -- >> depends what you think about the oath of offices that you took, which is to uphold the constitution and the laws of the united states. obamacare is the law of the land. there are laws on the books.
the democrats instead of the failure, they should come up with specifics that would improve the law. but they need to get the press and the public focused on those provisions of the law that the trump administration can use to sabotage the law, which, again, is boring stuff. it is hard to explain. they need to figure out the messaging to explain that. not simply gloat about the president's failure. >> for folks that want to check it out, there's a cnbc.com commentary from a former insurance industry executive talking about the shrinking number of insurance companies that work with obamacare. and because of that, as president trump says there's less competition. >> that's because they're not getting the payments under that provision that would subsidize low and middle income people to help with their deductibles. if they're not going to get those payments, that's why they'll leave the marketplace. if the mandate isn't going to be enforced, that's why they'll
leave the marketplace. so the trump administration has it within their power to keep them in the marketplace or to preside over the failure that they keep predicting. >> so that means basically surrendering to afreeing with obamacare in a capacity for which its original purpose is for. >> if you think allowing low and middle income people to get good health insurance and good health care is, you know, surrendering to something, then i guess that is a surrender. >> i think a we've seen from the gop, they couldn't even get this in a consensus vote to the floor yesterday. what their opinion is of access to health care is for the american people, they're very divided on what that actually means. >> right. >> and if people deserve to have access to health care as a human right or if it deserves to be only for an e heat subsection of american culture. >> that's true, except again,
there is a lou on the books. the laws don't get wiped out after each election unless congress changes the law, which they just declined to do. so there is a law on the books that is the law of the land. the job of the executive branch is tone force the law. >> all right. steven brill, author and journalist, msnbc contributor, thank you, sir, for being here today. >> you're welcome. >> it's not boring stuff. it's good stuff. you wrote a best-selling book on this stuff. today the airlines must begin restricting certain electronic devices. a look at who is the subject of that ban coming up. in about 20 minutes i'll speak with john yarmuth of kentucky. per roll
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khalid masood had a work visa and traveled to saudi arabia to teach english in the past according to an associated press report. nbc's matt bradley is in london with the details. what more have we learned about the suspect? >> reporter: thomas, that's right. he actually lived in saudi arabia for a total of two years and he visited most recently in 2015. today soul searching in britain, a nation pondering how a popular boy became a terrorist killer. >> he always seemed quite happy. he was always very friendly to everybody. i think, you know, he wanted to be liked. >> reporter: one uk paper this morning calling him the middle-class jihadi. khalid masood was shot dead wednesday after running over three people on a bridge including curt cochran, an american man celebrating his wedding anniversary. masood then stabbed to death a parliament police guard. he went by several aliases and did time in multiple prisons.
that's where he's thought to have converted to islam. investigators now poring over nearly 3,000 pieces of evidence, interviewing 3,500 witnesses, and searching 1 1 properties. but that sweeping dragnet now narrowing. of the 11 arrests only two remain in custody as police ponder the crime, raise nug questions about tactics. >> parliamentary authorities will assess whether a different tone or balance is necessary. >> reporter: more than 90% of british police remain unarmed but they have can you believe doubled their armed presence in the capital. american tourists in london say they still feel safe. >> it wouldn't have made a difference if more had been armed considering the man wasn't holding a gun either and i feel completely safe knowing they aren't armed right now. >> we just want to dedicate this set to curt. >> reporter: the american tourist who was killed, all that's left for family and friends in salt lake city is a
legacy to remember. as you can see, thomas, it's a beautiful day in central london and there's a lot of tourists around. it's hard to believe that there was a terror attack here just three days ago. >> matt bradley rs thanks so much. robin simcox specializes in terrorism and national security. good to have you with me. we know the uk prime minister said on thursday the attackers believed to have acted alone, but since then there have been a number of arrests in this investigation. 11 people. how do you make sense of that? could that be an indication he wasn't acting alone? >> after an event like this, it's no real surprise. it's quite common that the police will arrest known associates of his who may be on the -- also on the intelligence radar just because they will now be especially cautious and play it safe and speak to anyone they think may have information. who is charmed and who actually was aiding and abetting khalid
masood obviously clear, but you need to say -- sometimes these attacks are referred to as lone wolves. but actually genuine lone wolf attacks where the perpetrator doesn't have any kind of radical contacts or anything like that, any assistance, any accomplices, are actually very rare. so it's no great surprise there are these arrests. we'll have to wait and see if it translates to prosecutions. >> you make a great point. there are periphery individuals who are involved. in this case, though, with masood, the attacker had, quote, been once assessed as low risk. and so do you think that that is a marker that may have mischaracterized masood? because he was 5 the 2 years old and typically we've seen much younger people being involved in these style attacks. >> that's absolutely right. i think the problem in hindsight of course is wonderful thing on
this. especially the age didn't especially fit of the profile of what you see of terrorists in europe, but, you know, it's really hard for the security services and the police on this because they have to track so many people. there's 3,000 people on the intelligence radar that the british domestic intelligence service think could be potential terrorists. khalid masood obviously was on the radar at some point but slipped off. that's not necessarily an intelligence failure. it's -- this isn't an exact science. it's very hard for the intelligence agencies to get this right every time. they get it right a lot of the time. it's impossible to do it every time. >> i wanted to talk about this because it's opinion a big week for the story on electronics larger than a cell phone being banned on flights to the u.s. this is coming from certain overseas airports. i wanted to play for you former secretary of homeland security jeh johnson, his reaction to this ban. take a listen. >> an outright ban on things larger than an iphone from these ten airports in eight countries
is significant. i haven't been -- i haven't accessed the intelligence over the last two months, but folks, aviation security experts, our intelligence community must be seeing things that are significant to prompt this action. >> so he's saying something significant must have been in the intelligence community's radar to promise this so, there's a concern about real nonmetallic explosive material in devices. do you think there is cause for immediate alarm about this? and this is a smart, proactive move? >> well, this is now the u.s. and the uk have done this. slightly different countries are on the list from the u.s. to the uk about where this ban is applied. but there's definitely something that the intelligence community is seeing. there may be a slightly different interpretation of that intelligence, but that's something the u.s. and the uk, who, remember, have a close intelligence sharing relationship, have seen that means that they think this is
justified. whether -- how long it lasts i suppose is the next question. we've not tended to these airport security measures rolled back, have tended to stay in place, but we know that al qaeda especially has targeted aviation in the past. i would suggest that something very specific, somewhere in the intelligence mosaic of the information that's coming through that meant they thought this was the prudent move. >> we know the failed attempts of the underwear pomer, the shoe bomber, the terrorists and creative ideas that they come up with to try to utilize and target the aviation industry, is this almost too easy to predict, robin, the fact that this would be the target as opposed to something else that would be a little more elusive, a little more creative than targeting basically everybody that's traveling because most of us would have a device larmer than an iphone? >> it can, of course, seem heavy handled and the same argument
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