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hi, everybody. i'm thomas roberts at msnbc world headquarters in new york. 9:00 a.m. in the east, 6:00 a.m. out west, day 66 of the trump administration, with another tweet from donald trump, this one about a tv show, is raising questions about the message the white house is trying to send and whether it was meant for house speaker paul ryan and how that could impact the next item on the president's agenda, tax reform. >> here's what i think's important, is to lower the corporate rate so we can be more competitive. [ booing ] >> all right, so it might not be the popular pick, as senator lindsey graham found out during a town hall meeting. we have new reaction ahead. plus, why did it appear republicans were in such a hurry to push through this health care legislation? and then we have the big news overseas, the u.s. military saying it launched a strike against isis, but now mixed reports on how and why civilians may have been killed in that attack, all right now on "msnbc live."
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we want to begin with breaking news out of ohio, the search for a shooting suspect is on right now after an overnight shooting in cincinnati at a nightclub. one person is dead, more than a dozen injured, after gunfire erupted inside the club in what police have described as a chaotic crime scene. now, we've heard from an investigating official on the scene this morning. we're going to bring you all that information coming up in a live report in just moments. and our other top story today, questions about the future of president trump and house speaker paul ryan's relationship as a result of the gop health care collapse. now, despite the president's positive comments about the speaker on friday, we have an interesting dialogue taking place via twitter, and so we have to unpack that with nbc's kelly o'donnell, who's at the white house for us. kelly, explain what's going on and the mystery from a tweet from over 24 hours ago. >> reporter: exactly, thomas, a tweet that could have gone unnoticed, directed the supporters and followers of
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trump to a show on fox news. and i wondered about that, because sometimes when the trump tweets about a tv show, he's done an interview. so, i reached out to the president's press secretary and asked and was told, no, no interview, he just likes the show. now, we also know that when the president wants to criticize another leader, another republican, he's never shy about that. so, it raises some questions about was he trying to indirectly criticize his partner in the health care repeal sort of all of that partnership that we saw unfolding on capitol hill? was it something that was intended? was it something that maybe the president just had a little bit of an arm's length from this criticism? so, the tweet happens, the tv show happens, and here's what followed. just another tweet from the president, one that could have been easily overlooked. @realdonaldtrump promoted a fox news show ten hours before it aired, telling his 27 million followers -- "watch judge
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jeanine at 1:00 p.m." a friendly promotion, or did the president know jeanine pirro would drop this bomb? >> paul ryan needs to step down as speaker of the house. >> reporter: the host dished out the blame for friday's bungled obamacare repeal on an. >> he failed to deliver the votes on his health care bill. >> reporter: judge pirro said the president did not know in advance that she would criticize ryan. >> he and i had absolutely no conversation, no discussion, no e-mail, nothing. >> reporter: friday, mr. trump clearly said he is confident in the speaker's leadership. >> i like speaker ryan. he worked very, very hard. >> reporter: the president and speaker were partners selling the repeal bill, but a group of house republicans refused to buy, leading to a startling defeat so early in a presidency. when ryan stood before cameras -- >> i told him that the best thing that i think to do is to pull this bill, and he agreed
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with that decision. >> reporter: -- ryan defended president trump. >> the president gave his all in this effort. >> reporter: yet, the tv host president trump tweeted about -- >> and speaker ryan, you come in with all your swagger and experience. >> reporter: -- threw ryan, often seen as a star by conservatives, under the bus. >> this is not on president trump. >> reporter: he's closed for judge pirro, but the president cannot pass any part of his agenda without congress. >> there were things in this bill i didn't particularly like. >> reporter: the trump administration is already replacing the health care repeal with its next goal of tax reform. like pence, a longtime friend of speaker ryan, made the administration's new pitch saturday in west virginia. >> we're going to roll our sleeves up and we're going to cut taxes ross the board. >> reporter: now, the president, of course, asking his followers to watch that program. at the time that it aired on fox
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news, he and some members of his family were actually out to dinner in d.c. at the trump hotel down the street, so he was not watching at that time. this morning i've heard from top aides to speaker ryan who say this was just a fluke, not a conspiracy. they say that the president and speaker ryan are in a very good place and spent about an hour on the phone saturday. now, of course, after such a big defeat, it would be easy to say that the president, new in all of this, is looking for someone to blame. well, this morning on twitter, he was much more direct, tweeting "democrats are smiling in d.c. that the freedom caucus, with the help of club for growth and heritage, have saved planned parenthood and o-care." that's a reference to the most conservative group in the house. many of them were resistant and would not support the bill. club for growth and heritage both conservative, outside committees who were against the bill. and of course, within the legislation, there was an effort to take money away from planned parenthood. so, the president saying, wasn't
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him, blame those conservative outside groups and lawmakers for keeping the obamacare law on the books. really interesting, thomas, whether the president intended or not, he stirred up the pot this morning. thomas? >> all right, well, that would be a deep tease in news, kelly. and for judge jeanine to hit the speaker for his swagger is very interesting, indeed. kelly o'donnell at the white house. great to see you, kelly. >> reporter: you bet. >> thank you very much. annie linskey is national correspondent for "boston globe," and ozzie faybar, senior reporter for "politico." great to have you both here. annie, let me begin with you, with judge jeanine saying president trump had no idea that she would be calling for ryan's resignation, kelly saying that the press secretary also kind of sent her off in a different direction, saying this was not a coordinated type of thing. but is there any other reason that you're hearing from sources that the president -- >> i think particularly with this trump administration, i
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think it's pretty clear that perhaps trump heard from some other source what was going to be said on that show, but it's inconceivable to me that he would tweet that out and it just happened to turn out she was calling for ryan to step down, and a sort of robust defense of trump. it just doesn't make any sense at all. and i think, you know, especially when you're dealing with the trump world, you just have to look at the actions and many of the words are confusing at best and just flat out wrong at worst. >> well, as in any great reality show, there needs to be somebody to fire or a scapegoat in all of this. >> correct. >> so ozzie, i'll ask you to put this in perspective, because speaker paul ryan is certainly one of the largest, if not the most effective fund-raisers for the gop. and while he may have some trouble owning his speakership, because it wasn't really a job he wanted to begin with, the conservative media bubble is really going to hammer him hard
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over this. is this something that makes him more vulnerable going down the line? and does he really have to prove himself now to president trump about what speaker ryan is really doing as speaker of the house? >> well, like you said, it sort of explained why he never wanted the job in the first place. remember, his predecessor left over frustration with trying to bring, you know, the mainstream republican establishment along with this very strident, emboldened freedom caucus. and when you have sort of a pragmatist approach of let's make a deal, it's not perfect, you know, let's get something done and sort of work to improve it along the way, versus a caucus that is much more interested in opposition, much more interested in ideological purity, well, how do you get those two together? how do you get those two together when there's a president who sells a concept but not the details? you know, house speaker paul ryan, one thing that people acknowledge is that he's very deeply knowledgeable about the
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policy issues that land before him. what he's not always so great at sometimes is the politics. and this is one of the greatest examples of that. he didn't do a great job of selling the policy to his members. he sort of overestimated how much they were on board with this. and once people started seeing the details, that's when the trouble started. >> well, they've been the party of no for so long, now they're trying to govern. and as speaker ryan admitted, that's going to take some growing fines actually fit into so they can have consensus on this. but annie, we also have reports that reince priebus, speaker of the house, may be getting some blame as well. we know that reince priebus and speaker ryan are very close, part of the gop establishment. have you heard anything about that? >> well, you know, i think that's a great point. i mean, there's only one paul ryan, and if not paul ryan, who else is going to take over as the house leader? i mean, it's a very difficult position to be in. now, there are many, many, many people in washington, d.c., who
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could be reince priebus and who could be chief of staff. and if you are donald trump and you feel that you need to blame somebody, it's much easier blaming the guy who you can replace than blaming the guy who is essentially not replaceable at this time. so you know, i think that that talk has -- there's a little bit that backs that up. >> and azi, there seems to be the issue beyond the collapse of health care, the ripple effect to tax reform, the issue we saw as we opened this show, with lindsey graham talking about being able to lower the corporate tax rate and the boos that the audience gave him in response to that. is that going to be an even tougher sell? >> you know, you just sort of electr electrified voters by threatening to take away some essential health care insurance that they've gotten used to or began to understand during this debate. now you're going to tell them that you're going to give money to corporations in apparently some kind of tax cut to middle
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class families. you're starting at such a great deficit after this devastating loss. and once people begin to understand that cuts in taxes often correlate to cuts in services, well, you're going to have, you know, people that were on edge before paying very close attention to these numbers right now. >> all right, so a lot of times, most of the feedback has been, and as republicans don't like to give away the goodies, people have been saying you need to give away some goodies. and annie, you wrote about a big part of the setback for president trump and their efforts here by focusing on job creation, focusing on what they can do to give the american people part of the promise that president trump had delivered on the campaign trail, winning so much and giving jobs back to the american people. what are you hearing about that? >> yeah, i mean, i think that anything that trump wants to do at this point going forward is just 100 times more difficult. i mean, this morning, as
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alienating the freedom caucus with his tweet blaming them, with this tweet from last night, he is, you know, blame iing pau ryan, and he's certainly been blaming the democrats. democrats in this country, their base is on re. as jay inslee, the governor of washington state, said recently, they would crawl through glass to vote in this next election. so, this is a president who is increasingly isolated and increasingly alone, and to your point, it's very hard to see where he's going to collect the votes to deliver a win for anybody at this point. >> yeah, it's about making friends and seeing what you can get done. >> yeah. >> but you make a great point, governor inslee saying folks will be crawling through glass to get to the polst. folks are energized, for sure. thank you for being on. still ahead, republicans tried to repeal obamacare more than 60 times before, so how
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more now on that breaking news out of ohio. gunfire erupting inside a cincinnati nightclub overnight, and the search for the gunman is under way right now. one person dead, more than a dozen injured, and police describe the scene as chaotic. richard childs from our nbc affiliate wlwt is there with more for us. i know you've had an opportunity to hear from investigators on the scene. what more do we know? >> reporter: thomas, good morning. we've been working with the scene investigators for the last six hours. at the time, the focus, again, reviewing surveillance camera video from inside of the nightclub. several witnesses have been reported at area hospital. detectives, of course, fanning out to those locations. 15 total transported, one person
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shot and killed inside the cameo nightcluth sho ringing out at about 1:15s morning. it's a scene that oers her describe as the most chaotic they've witnessed in their careers. >> saturday night, it's a very young crowd. we have had incidents here in the past, but this is the worst, by far. i do believe it was a very large crowd earlier this evening when it started, but just a lot of chaos, obviously, when the shots went off. people just trying to get out of the way. >> reporter: now, again, with that chaotic scene, hundreds of young people rushing out into the night. four cincinnati police officers were outside in the parking lot at the time the gunfire went off. those officers rushed into the sound of the gunfire, able to administer first aid to one person they encountered on the ground. that person, though, pronounced dead on the scene. at this point, though, the most critical incident, cincinnati police right now narrowing in on the individual or individuals
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they say responsible for this early-morning chaos. thomas? >> richard, investigators are asking people that may have seen something to call in or report back, because there were so many people there, frightened people that ran off. they might have better information about the suspect or suspects, correct? >> reporter: absolutely the case. of course, you consider it's a dark nightclub, it's packed at the time. there are two areas where the shots went off. officers, again, depending, of course, on people getting in contact through social media, contacting local police departments. again, we saw about 15 people transported with local ems, but many transporting themselves in their private vehicles, rushing to those cars when shots go off. it's a frantic scen they want to make suret they're getting to their friends or whomever they came to the nightclub with, arriving at the hospitals. that's going to be key for investigators and officers at this point, talking to those individual witnesses when the shots rang out. >> cincinnati's wlwt richard
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chiles reporting on the scene. thank you very much. we'll let you get back to work. we turn back to politics and president trump setting the stage for hard times ahead after the obamacare/trumpcare failure and the future of a repeal and replace effort by the gop. >> you know, i said the other day, when president obama left, he knew he wasn't going to be here, '17's going to be a very, very bad year for obamacare, very bad. you're going to have explosive premium increases, and your deductibles are so high, people don't even get to use it. >> joining me now, democratic congresswoman val demings of florida. she sits on the house oversight and government reform and is also the chief of the florida police department. is any part of what president trump said true about 2017 really being the year for people maybe not being able to even afford premiums on obamacare? >> well, thomas, good morning,
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and thank you so much for having me. look, friday was a victory for millions of american families and people who have depended on the affordable care act, have benefited from the affordable care act, and yet again, what president trump is sing is not really based on reality. we know that there are some changes we all need to work together to improve obamacare, but certainly, if you listen to the stories of families, many of them i've listened to in my district, the affordable care act has saved lives, has helped them to improve their quality of life, their health, the health of their children. and so, friday was a victory for the american people. and what president trump and the gop needs to do is to work across the aisle to make health care better in america. >> and congresswoman, you have a fresh perspective coming to congress right now. what is it like for folks that
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are coming in, like yourself, and seeing the reaction to how certain people feel about obamacare, whether or not they'd like to see it succeed or be sabotaged, and the influence that as a new person you have to maybe members who are entrenched in seeing it go down? >> well, thomas, as you know, i spent 27 years in law enforcement and served as the chief of police. and coming into congress, i really believed that i could also make a difference, didn't really focus a lot on party, but it's really about what's right and what's wrong. and what i've seen, especially in this debate on health care, it's really about what's right and wrong. and the president, obviously, it was a great deft for him. i think he needs to spend mor time trying to build relationships with his party and also learn how government works. i really don't believe he has any idea the role that government plays in the lives of people, and especially those who need it the most.
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and so, as i've done all of my life, working to serve people and to make things better, especially for the most vulnerable, i will continue to do that in congress. but i have to tell you, it's been an interesting 66 days for us. >> i'm sure it has. fast lessons for you, but this is how senator bernie sanders responded to president trump's statement in an interview last night. take a listen to this. >> we should be proud as a people that we defeated that proposal. it makes me a little bit nervous that the president of the united states is apparently working and hoping that a major federal plan will fail, and i hope that he doesn't sabotage it. >> so, is that the consensus, though, or the feeling that you get, that this will now actively turn into sabotage to make sure that the prophecy of president trump comes true, that he sees it collapse? >> well, i was extremely disappointed, thomas, that president trump said on friday that, okay, let's just wait and watch it explode, i believe is the term he used.
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and i've never heard any president, republican or democrat, verbally, with such energy, express a desire -- it certainly appeared to me -- to see something fail that helps over 24 million of the people that he represents. but if that is president trump's intentions, is to sit back and watch it fail, or even take an active part in helping to sabotage the affordable care act, i, and i know many of my colleagues with me, will fight him every day on that and do what we can, what we just did, and what we will continue to do to protect the affordable care act, and i doing so, protect millions of americans. >> do you see it as an opportunity, though, for democrats to get president trump's attention to make those fixes that you referenced about areas where there are much-needed efforts to help obamacare improve? >> i've only been there a short period of time, but what i can
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tell you is that that has always been the democratic party's intention. we spoke in the very beginning when the law was passed seven years ago that we still need to work together to improve on the law. and so, regardless of what is coming out of the white house, because you know, every day we are not sure what's going to come out of the white house, democrats will work to improve the law, and we certainly hope that our republican colleagues on the other side who represent many people, as you've heard over the last few weeks through the town halls, who depend on obamacare, will join us in that effort. >> congresswoman val demings of florida, great to have you on today. thank you very much. and i hope you're keeping a diary of everything that's taking place. >> i am. thank you, thomas. >> freshman, as you are new to the hill, i'll bet it is quite a learning lesson. that he care. >> thank you. all right, so, did a tweet by president trump hit at what we would see on a prime time tv show last night on fox and what speaker ryan might have to do with that.
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hi, everybody. welcome back. i'm thomas roberts here at msnbc world headquarters in new york, and at the half hour, here's what we're following for you, that breaking news out of cincinnati, where police are looking for the gunman or gunmen who opened fire overnight in a crowded nightclub, killing one person and wounding 14 others. this mass shooting occurring inside a club at about 1:30 this
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morning. the motive still unclear. we're following that storey and we'll bring you updates from cincinnati as soon as we get them. now to politics and the new reaction from white house chief of staff reince priebus on the questions surrounding the future of president trump's relationship with house speaker paul ryan after a tv host called for his resignation last night, and her comments came just hours after the president plugged her show via twitter. here's what reince priebus said moments ago. >> does the president want paul ryan to resign as speaker? >> well, first of all, i will go on record, we do love judge jeanine and so does the president. i think it was more coincidental, chris. >> oh, come on. >> i did not talk to the president about the tweet. i'm just telling you the truth. there was no replanning here. the president -- >> why would he say watch her and then that's the first thing out of her mouth? >> because he loves judge jeanine and he wanted to do judge jeanine a favor. >> does he want paul ryan to
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step down? >> no, he doesn't. >> priebus is also shutting down reports that his own job is in jeopardy. here's part of that. >> are you in trouble? >> i'm not in any trouble. i've got a great relationship with the president. we talk all the time. in fact, just before cominon the set, he gave me a call. this is gossip hounds and, you know, it's always going to happen, and i don't really care about it. i'm looking forward to accomplishing the president's agenda moving forward and working with anybody in the legislature to make sure that that happens. >> okay. >> meanwhile, two republicans from opposite ends of the party are standing by their decisions to oppose the health care proposal. >> a lot of the concessions that the white house is making at the end of this process was to try to appease and placate the hard right on essential health care benefits and other issues, all to placate people who are not going to vote for the bill anyway. and by doing that, they ended up alienating more people on the center-right or moderates. that is really what happened.
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>> devoting 17 legislative days to a bill and then walking away from it because it hasn't passed within 17 legislative days makes no sense, especially when this is something that we've been campaigning on for seven years. >> all right, so, let's bring in republican strategist and author of "perversing the apocalypse: hijacking the democratic party to save the world," available, i understand, crystal, on preorder on amazon. >> indeed. get your copy now. >> i feel like bill o'reilly all of a sudden. anyway, noelle, i want to start with your take on president trump's tweet, telling people to watch a program over on fox news last night. this is "judge jeanine," then calling out paul ryan to step down as speaker. do you think this is just a coincidence or her attempt to leap over judge napolitano to be the next scotus pi? >> no, and congratulations to crist al on her new book. >> thank you, noelle. >> no, absolutely not.
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i have done her show several times and know her personally, and she is fierce, widely opinionated, but i'll tell you what, she is not a liar, and i believe 100% -- i would bet my life on this, thomas, that she did not call president trump and say, here's what i'm going to say, and he's like, way to go, i'm going to tweet it out. that didn't happen. i think it was a sheer -- it was a coincidence. and i remember sitting. i was sitting last night and i was listening to her open argument ads i was packing and doing things, and i was like, oh, wow. she threw ryan under the bus, and that was her own words, that wasn't promoted. and she even said, you know, i thought about this, you know, and i was angry and i was mad, and here's my opening statement. no difference in someone like rachel maddow seeing something and being very passionate about it and angry and getting up and speaking her mind, and let's just say obama would say
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something like, hey, you know, i love rachel maddow, watch her show. there's no difference. >> well, i understand as a lawyer, she's making her opening argument. and in this argument, as blame is being pointed around almost in circular fire about how you can have the white house, you can have the senate, you can have the house in control and still let this fall by the wayside. but do you think that the direct fire at speaker ryan is something that he should really be worried about, as we know there are people within the white house, such as steve bannon, who really has targets set onhe establishment type of gop figure that ryan is and represents? >> that's exactly right, thomas. and by the way, the idea of president obama plugging rachel maddow and saying to tune in tonight is kind of a ludicrous thought. of course, he would never have done anything like that, which is what makes this situation so bizarre. but yes, i think paul ryan should be nervous to the extent that he wants to keep the very unpleasant job of speaker of the
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house and leader of that crazy republican caucus, because it wasn't just judge jeanine who called for him to be ousted. if you went and looked at what breitbart was saying after the health care failure, they decided that the person to blame was paul ryan. and of course, breitbart and steve bannon have essentially declared war on paul ryan as emissary of the establishment from years back. and so, it's not surprising that steve bannon is now trying to pull the strings to get him out of there. but i've got some bad news for the president. if he thinks that his problems are going to be solved by getting rid of speaker ryan, who, by the way, was unbelievably unprepared and incompetent in this whole health care debacle, but if he thinks that's his own problem, he's got another think coming. this president couldn't be bothered to even understand the details of this bill. by all reports, the great closer and great negotiator couldn't really get a single member on board, and certainly couldn't come close to swaying the conservative house freedom
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caucus. so, he's got to work on his own skills here and stop trying to shift the blame to paul ryan or, ridiculously, the democrats or anybody else. the buck stops with president trump. he did everything he could. sean spicer said they left it all on the field. he did everything he could and came up radically short. it was a pathetic failure from the man who wrote "the art of the deal." >> well, know that was ghost-written. >> good point. >> he wrote it. the ghost writer said "wrote "art of the deal" and donald trump read it, so. noelle, if the white house and president trump is looking for somebody to be more effective within his own administration, is that going to fall on the shoulders of reince priebus, a steve bannon or speaker ryan, in your opinion? >> you know, i think that they're going to keep everything status quo. and looking at this, i do not -- you know, you've got to realize you're bringing in someone from the private sector that's not used to government. and you know, i think he tried.
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he even said -- he even said on television that he -- you know, there were things in the bill that he really didn't like. and the only thing he wanted to do is he saw that, you know -- and this is true -- even democrats have admitted the fact that, you know, premium rates are rising, and there are a lot of people that are shocked when they're getting their new bills that are like, you know, i can't afford this. so, he wanted to try to stop the hemorrhaging and the, you know, the premium hikes, and he wanted to do something right now. you know, it didn't work, but that doesn't mean that everybody's a failure. and one great thing i noticed that lindsey graham had brought up at a town hall, which i think was fabulous, is the fact, he said you know what, we're going to try this again. i'm going to reach out to democrats. and you know, president trump needs to reach out to democrats. so, i think the next thing moving forward, i think you're going to see a bipartisan effort, and it's a bipartisan ndsue and problem, it needs a bartisolution. >> well, and we know that "the new york times" has this new article headline, "trump becomes
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ensnared in a gop civil war." noelle, do you think it really is a way to go to reach out to democrats to try to get support for positive headlines for president trump looking like he's making do on the promises he made on the campaign trail? >> you brought up a good point with the "times" article, and i'll tell you this, i think that it's obvious, i mean, it's out there that people within our own party, the gop party, my party, you know, were fighting, you know, in-house fighting over it. so, i think, you know, one of the best things he can do is to say, you know what, we all didn't get along collectively as a whole, so guess what, let's all begin this together. let's all come to the table. let the democrats say, i want this, this and this, and let the republicans say this was left out. you're going to have to work on this together. there is no way in holy heck this thing is going to pass unless it's a bipartisan effort. you've got -- everybody's got to help. i mean, this is health care. >> yeah. the vested interest part that
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you're bringing up here -- >> right. >> -- is really important, so everybody's got to be passionate about agreeing that they want to see it succeed. and i think that's where the differences fall on the gop side. and crystal, do you think this emboldens kratz at this point with a wino get in support of neil gorsuch, who is the president's pick to succeed antonin scalia on the supreme court? >> i don't know if i would link this health care defeat necessarily to blocking gorsuch or doing what they can there, but i would link the fbi investigation into trump collusion with russia to the gorsuch confirmation. i mean, think about this, thomas. we have a president who is literally being investigated for treason right now by the fbi. can you imagine if the shoe was on the other foot? do you think republicans would -- >> they haven't gone that far to use -- >> oh, let's just go ahead, it's normal -- >> they haven't gone that far to use the word treason.
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they have not gone that far -- >> but that's a word -- i mean, that's what we're talking about here. >> substantial evidence -- well, the sniff of impropriety is there, but we don't have the facts. >> when you're talking about potential collusion. i didn't say this was decided. i said he's being investigated for it. we're talking about potential collusion with a longtime enemy of this country. i don't know what you'd call that other than treason, but can you imagine republicans just going along if the shoe was on the other foot and this was hillary clinton or barack obama being investigated for something similar? no! they would say everything this president is doing is absolutely illegitimate, and we are not going to put someone on the supreme court, which is one of the most consequential things that a president can do, to have a generational impact, when this president may be an enemy of the country! that's literally what we're talking about here. so, no, i think the democrats are right on with what they're doing, and i think they were already emboldened to stand strong against what is an incredibly unprecedented situation at we have here. >> we'll continue to follow
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where the facts lead us. krystal ball, great to have you on, noelle, you as well. i appreciate it. we go overseas and the ongoing fight against isis. iraqi families are mourning loved ones reportedly killed during air strikes on a mosul neighborhood. investigators are looking at whether coalition forces hit a location in that area where they knew civilian casualties would be injured or lost. nbc's matt bradley has the latest from london for us. what are we hearing about u.s. forces, also human rights groups and from the iraqi government about who was supposed to be the target in mosul? >> well, good morning, thomas. there's fresh news on this incident in west mosul. the iraqi government now saying this morning that 61 bodies had been removed from this collapsed building that's caused so much controversy, both in iraq and among american officials in the u.s. this is from the reuters news agency. the iraqis also reported that the building had been booby trapped by isis mines, and it
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had not been hit in a coalition air strike. so, it's a very confusing shift, and it's the kind of change we're likely to see again as iraqi and american officials further investigate this horrific incident. >> reporter: the w.h.o. confirms at least 100 civilians were killed. the u.s. not excluding isis involvement, but they've opened a formal investigation. if the u.s. is responsible, it would be the deadliest air strike since the u.s. began targeting isis in 2014. iraqis say the u.s. has loosened safeguards to prevent civilian casualties, an accusation the u.s. denies. still, president trump pushed for a gloves-off approach toward isis during the campaign. >> you have to take out their families. >> reporter: a strategy that sounds vastly different on a campaign trail than in real life. and just today, iraqi troops are reportedly closing in around the al nouri mosque in mosul, the
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mosque from which leader al baghdadi proclaimed his caliphate in 2014. thomas, it just goes to show that this battle is advancing at fulltilt, even as the fog of war raises questions abo engagement and leads to still more civilian casualties. thomas? >> as you say, 61 bodies now, cording to reuters, that new count. nbc's matt bradley in london. thank you. i want to turn to military analyst jack jacobs, a medal of honor recipient. jack, great to see you today and tough topics we have to talk about, but we should be clear at the start of this, there are conflicting reports from matt, as we are hearing, about what exactly happened and who or whom would be at fault for this in this coalition air strike if that did happen in mosul. what is the severity, if it is based on a coalition air strike that the u.s. was involved in, the ramifications? >> well, first, combat in cities
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is extremely difficult, and isis has herded a lot of civilians into areas they want to protect. and so, civilian casualties are almost inevitable in situations like this. but it's important to understand exactly how air strikes ought to be conducted. i put in a lot of air strikes, and so did many of my compatriots in vietnam, but in every case, or nearly every case, we were actually involved in a gunfire with t fight with and we could see the target and we could confirm what was in the target and its exact location. as technology has sort of taken over, our appetite for having americans on the ground to verify targets like this is reduced. inevitably, decisions will be made that are not based on the direct observation of americans who are putting in the air strikes. so, there will be an investigation, to be sure. there is one. and the results will be interesting to see.
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but at the end of the day, the only way you can protect against things like this happening or minimize them, in any case, is to have americans very close to the action. and i don't think that we're ready to do that. >> our jack jacobs, thank you, sir. i appreciate it. >> you bet. next on "a.m. joy," why the trump white house could be embroiled in a full-scale civil war. you don't let anything keep you sidelined. that's why you drink ensure. with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. for the strength and energy to get back to doing...
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yeah, i don't know what else to say other than obamacare is the law of the land. it's going to remain the law of the land until it's replaced. we did not have quite the votes to replace this law. and so, yeah, we're going to be living with obamacare for the foreseeable future.
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>> we have house speaker paul ryan on friday talking about the foreseeable future of the aca. with me now is tevi troy, former deputy secretary of health and human services under president gege w. bush and now the president of the amerin health policy institute. it is great to have you wit us. i'm hoping you can answer that question of timing right here because it seems as if the ambition of the gop got in the way of making this happen within the president's first 100 days. why were they in such a hurry on health care? >> thanks for having me, thomas. the first thing to know is that the reconciliation vehicle is a limited vehicle and you only have a certain amount of time in which you can use that vehicle and so they wanted to get it within the first budget window, budget resolution, and that was the problem. >> and for folks that are watching at home, the bill being described that way is really a caveat of how to be proactive, as you're talking about, in getting it in the budgetary needs to make neutral revenue that speaker ryan would then want to have in his pocket for
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tax reform issues. where do you fall on the argument that health care is so touchy, so complex and lengthy for people that the issues with it and ignoring it is only going to serve to erode problems with obamacare. >> i completely agree with that. the reconciliation battle may be over but the health care battle is far from over. i think health care will be something we continue to look at. just this morning i'm talking to somebody and they said i'm glad they didn't do this reconciliation package because it would have had negative effects on my health coverage. they said oh, my premiums are so high and the deductibles are so high. the problem is health care is a real challenge and we haven't come up with the right solution. we also haven't come up with a bipartisan solution. if you have a partisan approach, which obamacare was and the reconciliation approach was, you can put the blame on the other party. if you have shared responsibility, it's hard to do thatlame laying.
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>> a bipartisan approach would be well served for the amecan people. as you say, someone is worried about premiums going up. so there's this damned if you do, damned if you don't. are you worried about president trump's saying let it explode means letting it survive and be effective is now stunted? >> this has always been an issue that you had the obama administration that did everything to prop up the affordable care act. even though there were problem, even though there were price hikes and president clinton called it the craziest thing you ever saw. so it was a very problematic system. now you have the republicans in charge and they do not have the same interest in propping up the aca, not out of callousness per se but out of a belief that this is not the right approach. >> great to have you on today, thanks for your time. that's going to do it for that hour of "msnbc live." i'm thomas roberts. coming up next on "a.m. joy" what could be a brewing battle
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jobsinnewyorkstate on linkedin. republicans have spent the last 30, fort years trying to replace this image of callousness toward the poor, of callousness toward the elderly with this idea of compassionate conservatism. that was whisked away in this process. there was a cruelty to this bill that was even apparent to consertive voters, to repuican vers who were shocked. >> good morning and welcome to "a.m. joy." i'm jonathan capehart in for joy reid. now, you just saw her on "meet the press" and as we speak she is running over to come join us on her set. before joy gets here, let's talk about the elephant in the room and that is the republican health care fail. as you know, the american health care act is doa, but behind that big headline, which was seven years in the making, is the developing narrative about a potential political blowup between the

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