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maureen dowd doesn't like him and i don't like him and they like him and they're calling him a sucker. congratulations. >> thank you very much. >> my life in tweets. coming out in the spring. >> you need to do that. >> that does it for us this morning. coming up on tomorrow's show ann romney joins the show. >> i am live from a very foggy washington, d.c. breaking this morning, president trump son-in-law to be called before a senate committee over his meeting with the russian ambassador. what's next. the white house tries to turn the page to the next big item on their agenda. taxes while blaming conservatives for the health care defeat. >> is the republican party capable of governing? >> even suggesting it may be time to work across the aisle. >> i also think it's time to
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potentially get a few moderate democrats on board. >> ryan under fire, conservative media turns on the house speaker. why did the president ask people to watch a fox anchor say this? >> paul ryan needs to step down as speaker of the house. >> we begin today with the white house being caught up in new questions in the growing controversy over russia and this time it's the president's own son-in-law facing a senate grilling. i got a great team. let's start right now with peter alexander who is live at the white house and this is all just coming out now. now we knew jared kushner had had a meeting with the ambassador and what do we know about what the members of the committee want to talk to him about? >> reporter: we know that this is the senate intelligence committee that will interviewing jared kushner here in the white house aids close to the president telling me that kushner agreed to do this, he
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volunteered, in fact, to participate in this interview. what you're focusing on is some of the contacts kushner had in the campaign season. he was one of the lead go-betweens between the trump campaign, ultimately the transition and foreign governments. we already knew of at least one meeting he had with a russian ambassador but this morning as first reported by the "the new york times" there was now a second meeting that took place in december where kushner at the request of kiss lee yack met with the state owned development bank according to folks at the white house. there was nothing wrong with their meeting which notable though because it was one of the banks who had been specifically sanctioned by the obama administration for russia's interference not just in the election but also it's inkurgs going into ukraine over the course of the last several years. for kushner this is notable because he is now the first member of this white house who will be speaking to the senate intelligence committee and obviously a very high ranking
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individual close to the president. to be clear, white house aids here specifically hope hicks one of the president's top aid tells me today he was glad to participate in this, that he has nothing to hide and hasn't done anything to wrong. >> i want to bring in my panel. jennifer palmieri and she served in the clinton and obama white house. also with me msnbc robert train yum with the bipartisan policy center. >> good morning. >> the white house says -- it's beautiful out here the nice fog overlooking the white house. the folks inside the west wing there up in the communications office say nothing happened, the meetings didn't go anywhere so robert trainum as a republican why not get out front of this, why do we have to find this drip, drip, drip? >> i don't know the answer to that. i have two theories, the first theory is that they're just a little overwhelmed over there and they quite frankly do not
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know how to do press 101. so that's my best guess. my second hunch is they didn't know this was a big deal. they honestly thought just sitting down with the russian banker that had -- >> this has been going on -- >> i don't disagree with you. this is amateur hour in many ways and i just don't think they know any better. i really don't. >> is that what's going on here? they don't know any better. >> i think they don't know any better. i think they don't know what they don't know. it's not as easy as it looks. the truth is that donald trump, his family, his businesses and his campaign was very cozy with russia, so there's probably a lot of more of these meetings they don't know about and this is why they're going to be dealing with this for probably, you know, more than the next year. i imagine and why this drip is going to continue to happen and ultimately going to lead to an
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independent commission. >> how much of a distraction is this going to continue to be? you already have an administration that obviously had a huge debacle with health care. should we do taxes or not because the finances of it have changed? should we move on to infrastructure? you have the conservative right fighting with the moderates. how much of a dis-straction is this going to be. >> it is a big distraction. every new administration has to get its sea legs. every new administration has its bumps along the road. >> sea legs versus -- >> this is a bumpy time. however, it seems like the president fuels off this chaos. he fuels off these infighting factions within the white house. a lot of that is self-inflicted and whether or not the president along with the chief-of-staff can sit down and discipline this staff and the president to be able to get some legislative victories out there.
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you mentioned a few moments ago that the president appears with democrats to talk about tax reconciliation and health care reform. there is a moment here that they can pivot. can they get out of their own way? >> can the democrats pivot? >> the problem is so much deeper than that. donald trump didn't have a solution and paul ryan's solution was not supported by the people who elected donald trump. it's a much -- and the democrats don't have any reason to work with donald trump but even if they did, there's just not 218 votes in that house for anything when it comes to health care or when it comes to taxes but i think what's really happened is what you have exposed is this much deeper fis sewer and what actually is going to help people who voted for donald trump. >> so you've got the republicans and the president's team putting health care in their rear-view mirror. this weekend on meet the press told chuck that despite copping up short the president has shown he can lead.
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take a listen. >> if anybody had any doubts about president trump's ability to be the president, they should have been' put to death -- absolutely. >> can't close the deal? >> this is exactly what everybody said he couldn't do. he couldn't work with different groups within the republican party. this was the president being the president. what you saw this week that simply are a lot more rotten in washington than we thought. >> casey hunt has more on that. and casey, literally minutes after we heard from the president on friday, one of his senior staff said to me, yes, we're going to move on to tax reform, but it's going to be a lot more difficult. is that the general feeling on the hill and how many people are actually questioning whether that should be the next step? >> reporter: it's absolutely going to be more difficult, chris. i think that there's pretty unified in thinking that tax reform is what they want to do. i get the sense from a lot of my sources that it's really what they wanted to do all the way along. it's something where they feel like they have more republican agreement, there's more passion
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on both sides for doing it, there was they felt a political imperative to do obamacare first. we saw how that turned out. one of the consequences of how they set this up it's aly bit procedural down in the weeds but they structured it so this health care thing was supposed to be the budget for this year and it's very procedurally difficult for them to move on to tach reform. so they're going to have to do a lot of juggling to figure that out. it's supposed to be part of the next budget. simply that part of it is going to be difficult. it gives you a preview of how the entire saga might play out. if you thought health care reform is complicated wait till you try to rewrite the tax code, the number of people are interested in doing that. i think that's going to be very challenging. i also wanted to pick up one thing that you were talking about with your panel, where are democrats going to be? democrats learned a lot from how mitch mcconnell conducted
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himself during eight years of the obama presidency. he essentially put his foot down and refused to move it and cooperate with democrats. it was the strategy that won him back ma majorities when we started the obama -- then they passed health care among other things, struggled with the economy and wound up losing their majorities and now obviously we have republican control. so they watched how mitch mcconnell and other leaders handled that and i think you're going to see them essentially refuse to cooperate on any of this which means they're going to have to get it done themselves, this first major test for the republican party was a failure. >> and jennifer, is that what the democrat should be doing? the american people are they going to continue to sit back for the next two years and say, washington is still broken. what do the democrats do? >> the person they hold responsible for washington being broken is the president so i think that's where the blame will go.
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>> you don't think there's blame on both sides? >> if there is -- if the white house comes forward with infrastructure plan that democrats can work with him on, that's something that they probably would be willing to entertain but that's just not going to happen because he's not going to be able to do that with his own republican majorities on both -- and the house and senate. it has been more than ten years since republican -- there was a republican congress working with a republican president. what we're seeing again is -- the divisions within the republican party are so great that no matter what democrats do they're really not going to be able even if they wanted to work with trump, you're not going to get enough republicans to agree to do that. >> he did blame the democrats. he called out nancy pea line of scrimmagi and chuck schumer. saturday he whether he meant to do it or not he steered people to a fox news show where there
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was a call for paul ryan to step down. sunday he's blaming the conservatives. so where do the republicans go? suddenly the president's saying at least one part of what he's saying is we need to work with the democrats. you're hearing people like lindsey graham say we need to work with the democrats. the democrats could be worked with but really? >> the reality is when you take a look at the health care debacle is many democrats sat on the sidelines. what this president is doing and saying i can't get the house freedom caucus on board with me. let me walk across the aisle here. maybe there's something on infrastructure. the last time the tax code was reformed was back in 1986. it's outdated. the question becomes can nancy pelosi and mitch mcconnell and donald trump sit down thoughtfully and figure this out. >> even if there's middle class tax cuts, the --
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>> the idea that this white house working with tax reform after the debacle on health care. >> you don't agree they can learn from their mistakes? >> start with something smaller. >> infrastructure is more manage bible. >> it's more manageable than tax reform. the idea that you could after what they just suffered that you could go to something that's big and complicated and within the republican party the divisions about people that support tax cuts how you would have middle class tax cuts and how you pay for them it's a huge back. >> is this subtle? let's go to infrastructure first. >> reporter: it seems pretty clear that that's not in the cards right now. they made it clear. we heard from the secretary of the treasury, steve mnuchin last week saying they hope to have this comprehensive tax reform plan by this august. they're clearly focused on this.
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it's something president trump has talked about. so i think it's safe to say the tax reform is very high on the list and likely before infrastructure. this young presidency because it had the potential to bring in some democrats early on. >> thanks very much. jennifer, robert. you're going to stay with me. can the republican party work together or are the divisions just too deep? we'll talk to a republican congressman trying to bridge the divide. plus is the trump rally over? the early numbers at least don't look good. we're live in washington, d.c. overlooking the white house. umbrellas!!
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>> i think the losers are nancy pelosi and chuck schumer because now they own obamacare. they own it. >> yesterday wasn't a victory for the american people, it was the victory for the status quo in washington, d.c. >> when i think the president's disappointed in the number of people that he thought were loyal to him that weren't. >> plenty of finger pointing to go around these days but keep in mind that all these parties will have a stake and a say in whatever president trump decides to do next.
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joining me now illinois republican congressman, good morning. >> you know better than anyone. your party ran on repeal and replace health care. what do you do now? >> i think we move on to the next thing. we have two options here. we move on to tax reform. we need to try to reach out to democrats at least at the beginning. if they decide they don't want to work with us, that's another issue. there are at least maybe a dozen or two dozen people willing to work on tax reform. on health care we have to reach out to democrats to fix the system. we ran on repeal/replace for a long time. i think we had a bill that we can argue about the merits of it. it was going to ping-pong between the house and senate. we had a group of 30 people in the house called the house freedom caucus that was upset because they didn't get to write the bill. you don't write bills as a caucus and then -- so that's where we're at. it didn't go through. they own the loss of the bill
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and we move forward. >> you think they own it. you retweeted president trump's knock on conservatives who he says saved obamacare, but is this where the republican party is now, you have to reject a pretty significant group and an influential group of your own party and try to make nice with the democrats? is this an acknowledgement that the republican party is split, is broken? >> well, look, i think it's important to note there's about 30 of these folks. there's 200 other members of the house. we're a very united party but these folks can deny us the ability to vote. we have two choices. we either continue to write bills to a group of people that is going to never, ever get to yes. they've been in existence for about three years and every time they have tried to come to the table they consistently move the goalpost and they did that on president trump. they wanted president trump to repeal preexisting conditions and kids staying on their health
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plans until 26. he's not going to go. he ran on that and they knew he wasn't going there. we have two options. either they're going to have to see the light and understand that governings a little different than being an opposition or we have to reach out to democrats. it needs governing not more of the status quo. >> i would like a dollar for most people word, frankly congressman, say we've got to reform washington. we've got to find a way to work together with the other party. that's what you guys ran on. that washington was broken and that it needed to be fixed. but how do you do this? how do you do what hasn't been done and now you have a president whose calling names, the leaders of the democratic side of the house, how do you do what you say you want to do? >> well, that's a tough thing. there is a great group of folks in the center, center right and center left in the house of
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representatives. there's a group called no labels which brings those folks together. i'm a part of that. we're going to have to bring the temperature down. i'm not like pie in the sky guy. i don't believe you're going to stop name calling in washington or stop all partisanship and i don't believe we're going to get nancy pelosi involved in our agenda because there's a political -- >> give me some names of people you've been talking to on the democratic side. >> i don't want to reveal them because they may lose their election. there are dozens of democrats and dozens if not hundreds of republicans that say there are big things we have to do. >> so should that maybe go first, congressman? obviously. >> i think so now. >> when the talk was about tax reform, you felt there might be as much as a trillion dollars there that you could then put over into infrastructure. so should that be the next thing because what we're hearing is tax reform, can that get done or
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you just going down the same path you went down with health care? >> i guess you don't know until you don't know. i hope we're not going down the same path. i think there is an opportunity to do things in a bipartisan way. it's not -- tax reform is not as ideological as health care. let's go with tax reform first. i think we have an opportunity to marry that together with infrastructure so you look at democrats and republicans who love infrastructure. you marry that together if possible with tax reform in one big reform package. again, we don't know until we begin this process, but i hope we can. i'm going to be part of the solution to hope we can get passed perpetual partisanship. it will always exist but try to find areas we can work together. >> congressman, always good to talk to you. >> any time, thanks. >> the stock market set to open
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welcome back to washington, d.c. it's time now for your morning primer. everything you need to know to start your day. we begin with breaking news this morning. congressional aids confirming to nbc news the senate intelligence committee does plan to question president trump's son-in-law and top adviser jared kushner. the senate judiciary committee votes this afternoon on judge neil gorsuch's nomination to the supreme court possibly sending it to the floor for the full vote. democrats are trying to push today's vote back until next week. >> 60,000 people across russia marched in an anticorruption demonstration across the government. police arrested at least 500 people in moscow alone. one person was killed, at least 15 people injured after shots rang out inside a cincinnati nightclub.
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police are searching for multiple shooters. it is a historic final four. gonzalez and south carolina in it for the first time. it's the first for oregon in over 75 years. meanwhile north carolina needed a last second jumper to make it their second consecutive final four. that finish was unbelievable. and right now we're waiting for wall street to react to the aftermath of the health care defeat. the opening bell on the new york stock exchange. cnbc's dominic chu is watching the market and let me start with you, dominic. it looks like we're set for a dip. >> we are. just about down 150 points. that's the way stock futures are indicating right now. this is all about the first time investors and traders have had a chance to really react to what happened on friday as the whole health care agenda just got
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tabled for who knows how long and traders are trying to figure out whether that means president trump still has the ability to push through perhaps even more complex legislation down the line in the form of tax cuts, a comprehensive tax cut package both for companies and individuals as well as any infrastructure spending plans down the line. so again, it's important to note, this is not panic selling. we're going to be down 150 points. this has happened in the past. this is not one of those days where we see the markets gap lower like 500 points. >> jared, you buy that, 150 points not 5 moints. >> i don't get into the business predicting where the market's going other than it's going to open down and basically if you look at a number of indicators, it's not just the dow, the dollar is falling significantly. gold prices are actually going occupy. that's suggest a risk off kind of environment in markets. that is where many investors were feeling positive spirits, excited about the things trump was going to do and taxes and
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deregulation. they're moving in the other direction right now. >> and they're cheering. we see the dow's they're about the ring the bell. let me ask you about where this goes from here. so what would calm the markets and would it be making that turn to taxes because that's something obviously that a lot of people on wall street were hoping for. >> it's not something that's going to happen quickly or something the markets are going to be able to sus out clearly. if the markets pulled back from the this trump bump. what's going on in the real economy? i always thought the market was way too far over their skis and it's an interesting way in which wall street doesn't understand sort of how dysfunctional we are down here. this fog by the way is a perfect set for what we're talking about. washington just doesn't work the way they think it does. and so the sooner they get back to the real economy the better. >> it's moving a little bit.
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what are you watching for today specifically? >> we're going to be watching for interest rates in particular on u.s. government debt. we've got the idea of a possible maybe government shutdown later down the line in april. people feel as though u.s. government debt the is still worth investing in. if it is, that could be a tell-tale sign. also watching a lot of companies tied to the trump agenda. infrastructure type companies, ones that make asphalt and concrete and steel companies as well to see if there's any kind of realtime handicapping. you know president trump, has tied himself very closely to the stock market. he considers it a realtime scorecard. we're working on an eight day losing streak. we're only 3% away from record highs right now. >> steve mnuchin made an interesting rookie mistake a couple of weeks ago. he said the stock markets going to be tower scorecard exactly as
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dominic said. well, you never say that. because guess what? the market goes up and goes down and it doesn't always have a lot to do with what's happening behind us. >> compared to health care, tax reform is a lot simpler, is he right about that? >> he's right. not a lot. i'm in the camp that says there will be some tax cuts coming. it seems to be a theme out this morning that because they just couldn't get health care done, that they're not going to be able to do tax cuts -- >> first of all, they don't have the money that they thought they were going to get from health care. in addition to that you know if there's a middle class tax cut that the republicans are going to come back with the estate tax and capital gains. >> absolutely. >> where do you find that middle ground? >> i don't know if there's going to be much middle ground, but i do believe this. you're right the way you portrayed it. what's going to happen is they're going to start singling that if they're going to say maybe we don't have to pay for
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this. you're already hearing some of that in this morning's paper. a key tea party yer said, maybe we can use the offsets. we're going to put this on the deficit. once you go there, you can do a lot more. >> they're willing to do that in order to get a win essentially. >> correct. >> thank you very much. up next, new reaction to trump son-in-law set to be called before the senate intelligence committee. could factions inside the white house use the current disorder to their own advantage? ♪ ♪ everyone deserves attention, whether you've saved a lot or just a little. at pnc investments, we believe you're more than just a number. so we provide personal financial advice for every retirement investor.
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the breaking news this morning. president trump's top adviser and son-in-law jared kushner will soon face questions from the senate intelligence committee. sources tell msnbc news this hearing be the part of the inquiry into russia and the trump campaign. titled white house blame game intensifies as trump agenda stalls details some of the frustration mounting behind the scenes. alex, let me start with you and i want to start with this bringing news. what do you make of this jared kushner being called now to testify in front of the panel? >> here's the thing. it could be something, it could be nothing but the problem for the trump administration is that these questions about russia if they're not going away. they're casting a major cloud over this white house and that's making things really hard for
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them at a time when they're really in trouble on a lot of different fronts. >> at the center of it is somebody who today they're going to announce is going to be in charge of this new office, this office is going to tame the bureaucracy of washington. he's got about -- i'm not trying to be facetious here about ten different hats. jared kushner, what does this mean overall for what's going on in there? >> here's the interesting thing. the timing of this announcement today, fixing the government bureaucracy. it's interesting. it seems that the white house is really trying to change the subject on what has been a disastrous couple of weeks for them. jared kushner's got a lot of different hats and he's an important person to the president. >> take us behind the scenes. now we're hearing about even more divisions, infighting. what are you hearing and could there be a shake-up? >> that's the question that everyone is asking right now. could there be some kind of staff changes because there's a lot of unhappiness on a lot of different levels. you have four or five different
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factions in this white house battling it out on a daily basis and that's making things really hard for them. this is a white house that's almost paralyzed on a lot of different fronts. >> is this different, though, than almost any administration that starts? there's always going to be this jockeying, this positioning for power? someone's got to tray charge. >> yeah, it's different, i think. >> you're looking at me frankly like i'm a little crazy. >> i do think it's different. the other white houses, it was always hard and staff shake-ups. >> let be serious. >> sometimes effective chief-of-staff are not the most popular people. but -- you always have growing pains. it's really hard. it's a very small staff. there's a lot that's put upon you. it is normal in the beginning to have these kinds of problems except what i think you see with this white house is this is a president that was not elected
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with the majority of the vote and wasn't elected on an agenda. with president clinton he could fall back on what he was going to do for the middle class, for president obama in his early days -- >> you don't think he was elected with an agen d. >> repeal and replace obamacare. >> so that it worked for everybody. he was not able to do that so now what do you do? so i just think that that's what -- that is -- i'm not sure -- they probably need more experienced staff but that's not what their ultimate problem is. >> what does he do? >> it's hard. >> it's always hard. what does he do? he was known, robert, as a business man as encouraging tensions as a way to sort of get to a deal, as a sort of, you know, survivor kind of strategy. but what's going to be a successful strategy for him now because he's got to turn something around?
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>> this president -- he doesn't have a lot of core beliefs except getting deals done. he could pivot and work with the democrats on infrastructure, on tax reform, on reforming government, those are things -- >> but how? don't you have to take care of the infighting first? >> i know bob woodward is going to write a book from now. we know that. the point is that the president needs to look, do i want to win and do i want to be seen as a pragmatist and do i want to run as an effective president. i think this president does. here's one thing we know about this president. he's very competitive. what he did was he listened very artfully to speaker ryan when speaker ryan said, we need to go with health care first then we pivot to tax return. he listened to the speaker and obviously the speaker didn't come up with a win there. i think this president's going to go right to his instincts. how do i figure this out that
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gets me on the right side with the american people? >> alex, is there a way to sort of bring some of these competing factions together or alt tern actively use that in the way he used them in business, which is just sort of, you know, pit them against each other and hopefully the best ideas rise to the top? >> if history's any guide that's what he's going to continue to do in his businesses. he's got a really tough task here. they're thinking about their own primaries back home, they're own reelection bids. he's got a tough task getting people on board. >> this is what i see the opportunity here and i figured something out. i figure out how can i reach across the aisle looking at this vulnerable president and get some stuff done. >> i think this is when the democrats look at how this is when we press our advantage on russia. this is when we really try to advance independent commission. >> we're circling back in one way to jared kushner and you
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wrote an op ed in the "the washington post," if the democrats would just say, this is a threat to our democracy, this is a threat to our republic, the american people would listen. why aren't they doing it then? >> you do see that happening more. i thought senator warner. >> too little too late? >> for hillary clinton it is and this is something i wrote about that i think -- it was such a crazy campaign and so unconventional as just covering trump for people, the idea of wrapping how deeply we know how russia was involved to influence our election -- >> take advantage of that. >> i think that we have to -- i think that you -- i think the more you talk about it, the more -- the public will pay attention to it and now that he is actually pressure in a much different situation. he was elected with a
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semihostile state interfering in our election to assist him. i think we're slumbering through this process. not only do i believe if hillary clinton were president, i believe if george bush were president, we would all be talking about impeachment hearings because we took him seriously and we do not take this president seriously enough. we have a soft complicity of low kpekitations. we're not taking the russia thing seriously because maybe it helped, and maybe it didn't. this is a semihostile state interfering with our elections there couldn't be anything more important. the democrats are doing a good bit in congress on this, but i really think what they should do is hit republicans at home about it. if you are -- if you are republicans that talk about leaks as opposed to one to get to the bottom of how russia did this, they propping up the kremlin and that's what i think democrats should be doing now. >> here's what we know.
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vladimir putin is a foe not a friend. he is trying to destabilize the european union financially and nato from the military standpoi standpoint. trying to manipulate our democratic freedoms. we know that. if you're an american and if you love this country as much as everyone does, you would stand up and say this is wrong, we need to pushback very strongly on this because this is a very threat to our freedoms. >> by the way, the banker that now has brought jared kushner back into the public eye is from a bank that was under sanctions under the obama administration because of crimea. thank you robert, jennifer and alex. up next why is the white house being so coy about president trump's weekend activities? we'll be right back.
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jennifer, to what end pushed this back? >> i think that they have the minority leader said they're going to do everything they can to delay him and this is a tact -- i thinkhim. i think they need to employ for tactics like this. things are not normal and there's a lot on the line as far as our democracy is concerned. senator schumer said last week it is unseemly to be talking about advancing a supreme court justice that has a lifelong appointment when we have unresolved, something so unresolved as the russian fbi investigation. >> filibuster is that where we're heading here? >> as a former campaign guy, it tells me they're giving their grass roots another week to be able to organize and raise some money. to her point, it looks like this is a way for the minority leader to flex his muscle a little bit and send smoke signal to the majority leader. we're serious here and looking to explore the nuclear option if
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necessary. >> i sat through the three days of hearings with judge gorsuch. the democrats are still ticked off about merrick garland. >> so am i. i shared their ticked offness and there are a lot of people in the base who would like to see that -- >> is that what this is about, it's really responding to the base that said do not let them -- >> it's responding to to the base but it's a matter of a basic functioning of democracy. this is one of the most important and lasting things that president trump will do. and you now, the idea that merrick garland, who was a moderate guy with a great record didn't get a hearing, i'm sorry, i just don't have the kind of amnesia that says never mind. we're coming off of a weekend and every weekend we talk about what is the president doing. there has been, let's say, more than a small amount of criticism from donald trump against former
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president obama about husbais weekends. do we have that sound? let's play it. >> he goes out and plays golf so much that he doesn't have time to convince congress to go and let's do it the way it's supposed to be done, right? right? he's played more golf than most people on the pga tour. >> and so now it's come to -- this is what it's described as, robert. >> why is everyone looking at me? >> i don't know. >> sean spicer says the game helps foster deeper relations. >> here's what i know. i know that the president, meaning donald trump, play to the crowd. he was obviously in the middle of an election and feeding all of that. i'm not sure the president thought he was going to win. i think he was lobbying out a lot of misfits out there. here's what we know. no matter where you are, you are the president, the institution of the office travels with you wherever you go. presidents reserve the right to have some downtime. if golf is his purview, fine.
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but the reality is that president trump should not have said that because he's now doing it he's a little bit of a hypocri hypocrite. >> i think presidents should be able to golf. i'm a big fan of it. what's interesting to me is sean spicer would never say that on his own. the answer the press secretary would give on his own is it's great for presidents to have downtime. what should be troubling for the white house is the president obviously told him to say that which means the president is defensive about it and it means, which is surprising, because that's playing by conventional washington rules. presidents aren't supposed to golf, you're supposed to be working hard. it shows he cares what washington thinks. he should be saying yeah, i was golfing. that's what i do. i go out like normal people do on the weekend, i golf and i clear my head and i go to my beautiful course and everybody wants to be there. >> he's really surrounded
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himself with members of his family who are close advisers, his daughter who now has an office in the white house. and obviously jared kushner. >> the other jared. >> the second jared. you were the first jared. >> thank you. >> the reporting has been that the president was a little displeased that in the middle of the first big legislative fight which he had, which was health care, jared kirchner, ivanka went with her children ski in aspen. and i must say when the reports came out and the pictures were splashed all over the british newspapers, they had a field day with it, i thought i wonder what the folks who worked in previous administrations are thinking. what went through your brain honestly? >> everyone i heard from believes administrations said the same thing which are, are you kidding? exactly the way you teed it up, chris. and i think one of the things that's happening here, kind of fa fallout from here is the idea that the white house is going to
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this hour. i'm chris jansing and look who's here. hallie jackson. >> thank you for joining us. the president defleeted but not deflated after the health care bil bill. now president trump needs to dems for his next big push, tax reform. the next battle is taking ship and it may be more of a fight than the last one. new this morning, we're looking at more russian news. nbc news confirming that the president's son-in-law, jared kirchner will face questions about his meetings with a moscow rep. kristen welker at the white house and the washington post's phillip rucker joining us for a kind of special report. i want to is that right with kristen over at the white house. no looking back now for president trump, right? but when he looks ahead to his priorities, what's the road they see in front of him. obviously tax reform but it's
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not like that's smooth sailing. >> reporter: its not smooth sailing but they're looking squarely at tax reform. there's broad agreement that's going to be a lot tougher now in the wake of failing to replace and repeal obamacare, for a couple of reasons. not just politically but also mathematical mathematically. part of what they were hoping for was that the repeal and replace package would essentially eliminate a number of taxes and that that would help them to get to the target figures that they want for a broad tax reform piece of legislation. so what happens now. well there's a little bit of going back to the drawing board and trying to figure out what is realistic and i'm told what could be more realistic insfaed of a prod tax reform package you get things like targeted tax cuts. it's still early. they're trying to hammer out the details. but there are other legislative hurdles on the horizon including funding the government and raising the debt limit. so those could be big battles. and ihi

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