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not like that's smooth sailing. >> reporter: its not smooth sailing but they're looking squarely at tax reform. there's broad agreement that's going to be a lot tougher now in the wake of failing to replace and repeal obamacare, for a couple of reasons. not just politically but also mathematical mathematically. part of what they were hoping for was that the repeal and replace package would essentially eliminate a number of taxes and that that would help them to get to the target figures that they want for a broad tax reform piece of legislation. so what happens now. well there's a little bit of going back to the drawing board and trying to figure out what is realistic and i'm told what could be more realistic insfaed of a prod tax reform package you get things like targeted tax cuts. it's still early. they're trying to hammer out the details. but there are other legislative hurdles on the horizon including funding the government and raising the debt limit. so those could be big battles. and i think one of the other big
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questions here for this administration, do they try to target democrats. do they try to get democrats on board with the key priorities after the president failed to get the freedom caucus and some moderate republicans on board. his travel ban has been blocked in the courts and that's still a key priority. something he would like to be able to time-oout at the end of days. >> i want to make about some other news about jared kirchner hagd over to capitol hill. what do we know about what the president's son-in-law is going to be doing? >> reporter: we know that jared kirchner has agreed to be questioned by the senate intel committee about the broader investigation into russia. he met with russia's ambassador, ser jay kislyak and one of the
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banks there. all of that will be on the table. obviously not what the white house wants to be focused on. they want to be focused on their legislative agenda. important to point out that all of tissues comes as we're learning that the president today is going to appoint his son-in-law to head up essentially a government agency that's going to look at ways they with bring a business sensibility into making government more efficient and more effective. another attempt to try to turn the page here not only in terms of the agenda that's on the table but in terms of the optics. >> kristen welker, thank you. with me now is phillip rucker and amber also with the washington post. thank you much. phillip, let me start with you. we're talking about jared kirchner. you heard kristen talk about his expanded role, the new role of him at this office of accountability. if you were basically blowing it all up to start again. what have you got? >> i was over at the white house yesterday meeting with jared
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kirchner and you know, we learned about this role. it's a powerful role. he's going to have the authority to basically run into all of these federal agencies and departments and restructure things, reimagine the way the bureaucracy works, changes the i.t. programs, for example. but they're also going to deal with issues like veterans' care, finding private sector solutions for the va and opioid abuse, drug addiction which we've heard a lot about. they're going to bring in chris christie to chair a special drugs commission and it comes amid a russian probe and jared dish near becoming involved in the investigation. >> we know that some tech companies are on board, tim cook, bill gates at microsoft. what kind of reaction from silicon valley has the white house been getting on this? it's still new but in the last 18 hours or so what are you hearing? >> quite encouraging. a lot of the silicon valley leaders are eager to work with the white house on this. the white house is focused on
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big data issues. and they see this as a nonetiological way to get involved with the administration the tech leaders, a lot of them opposed the travel ban. one of them i interviewed yesterday, a fundraiser for hillary clinton but is working with jared kirchner on this initiative because they see it as a way to get involved. >> put on your analyst hat for a second. this seems as though the timing is significant. it's the monday after a friday fail essentially on health care, the white house, president looking to push reworking government and reimagining government to run more like a business. do you see this being effective from a policy perspective short term or is this something that in two years we'll come back to and say here's x, y and z coming out of it? >> yar red kirchner is hoping it will be a long term legacy project. he used that word, legacy. they're looking beyond the day to day political grind to figure
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out how to make changes in the government that will be lasting and signature moves for president trump. i don't know if they'll get there. their ambitions are ground. people have tried to do it before and it's not worked. but they're going to tackle it and see what happens. >> i want to bring in amber and paul now. let's hit this crohronologicall. let's start with the finger pointing that's been happening in the last couple of minutes. a lot of it aimed at the freedom caucus. ted poe is like i'm done, i'm quitting the freedom kau sus. here's what he had to say. >> we can't say no. rather than say no we have to have progress. after vote 60 times to repeal obama care when it actually counted to repeal obamacare, they got cold feet and just said no and i think they'll continue to say no on important issues. >> so if the freedom caucus keeps saying no, how does the
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president get tax reform done? is the only option to reach out across the aisle to democrats? >> that's what i understand the white house is considering. the president tried everything he thought he could dtry. >> did he try everything in. >> no. i think that's a point to debate going forward. gru the president's perspective, he sid i'm the president. if i invite people over to the bowling alley or i'm going to come in your district and you're going to regret not voting for this bill they're going to fall in line. i don't think he realized how much more leverage he has as a president. but to your original question, you know, the president tried what he thought he could do and now the white house is so frustrated, they feel like they don't have a choice but to just put aside the house freedom caucus and focus on modern republicans and democrats. >> there's some talk that this has been maybe the worst thing for president trump or maybe the best thing for president trump because now he can put obamacare to the side, focus on other things. where do you fall on that in.
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>> he didn't really find oba obamacare his favorite topic anyway. tax reform is where his heart is. there's a giant tax portion in the health care bill. part of the issue also is early in the administration, you know, john dingle told me in 1992 when bill clinton came here that we as democrats have been really good attack ling the opposition, never been good about blocking for the guy who has the ball and now the republicans are having that experience. can they be on the same team, can they take a victory, a smaller victory than they were hoping for. can they be good team players. the first out of the box things looks terrible frp thfor them. let's see where we are months n from now. >> russia has to be talked about, multiple investigations
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happening. and phil i want to bring kwluyo on this. we are told by white house aides he had volunteered this, it's not testimony, he's willing to be interviewed because as one aide said to us, he has nothing to aid. paul man thafortmanafort, carte. you can question how influential he was. but the bottom line is this is not going away. how much is the russia stuff going to cloud what the white house wants to do. >> it's pretty significant and it's not going away. the other thing not going away is the fbi investigation, separate from what's happening on capitol hill. james comey testified last week that's going to be an ongoing investigation that could go on for many months. this is message the white house is going to have to learn to deal with as part of their everyday reality. the questions about the controversy is going to hang over the president for the indeterminable future. >> what can the white house do
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to try to put the ball back in their court if you will when it comes to tax reform. >> i think they tried to today by opening -- >> off of innovation. >> that was going leverage president trump's reputation as a businessman right after that reputation took a hit. and instead what we're talking about is an inner member of trump's circle asking by a gop congress to go testify about his relationship with russia. i don't see how that get out of this. >> tomorrow we'll have energy executive order. right. they're looking to expand the use of coal, to roll by regulations. >> steve bloomberg, action action action. >> they got to get action action action because they look like they've been stuck in the mud. >> i want to pull up some of his promises on corporate rates. currently it's 40%. the goal is under 15 or 20%. on personal rates the idea is to slim down, treem line the tax brackets. the talked about this often
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during the campaign. how realistic is it from a policy per secospectiveperspect. is he going to get democrats on board with the plan? >> i don't know. the environment for the democrats is so anti-trump right now. it's going to take a lot to bring them on board >> do they have the incentive to get on board? >> they don't have an incentive right now. one thing i think they could bring democrats on board is the infrastructure plan. that's something the democrats have been pushing for years. they want investments in the bridges and roads. there's room to there. tax reform is going to be hard for the democrats. >> amber and paul, you're with us all set. hang out for a bit. next up, the president wants to seem to work with the democrats on the rest of his agenda but we'll talk about whether he'll get cooperation or whether the democrats at this point are the
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our leadership did a lot of r&d when they wrote this bill. the problem is they think r and did means rip off and duplicate. >> that is thomas massey this morning putting the blame squarely on house leadership for the failure of the gop health care bill. with me now, congressman in kentucky.
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let me get your reaction of what you heard from your fellow kkiakk i kentucky ya kentuckyian. was that bill rip off and duplicate? >> what we saw in this bill was not a health care bill at all. it was a tax cut. on ideological drive of paul ryan to dee begin the deconstruction of medicaid. never about providing more care or better care for americans. thomas is a friend and we actuallactual ly agree on a lot of things. i won't argue with him on that one, though. >> congress massey says that the freedom caucus is willing to concede on medicare expansion. do you think there's an opportunity to try again on this? >> i doubt it, hallie. you know, the one thing that i have come to believe and have had verified by a lot of people in the business is the only way
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to create a sus stashl in the country is if the government does it. you have to force everyone to be in it which we tried or the government has to do it. and i don't see the republicans going there at all. that would be a public option or medicare, letting individuals buy into medicare. >> you're taking health care off of the table. but what remains on the table, tax reform. infrastructure. where do you start in where do the democrats begin working with a republican president, republicans in congress to get something on those topics done? what's the starting point? >> i think what we ought to do is lay down some markers and say we'll work with you on tax reform if you make sure that the benefits of tax cuts are at least evenly distributed among the population, the that you don't try to preserve things like the carrier's interest rate where billionaires can pay 15%. and if you're going to do things
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like deal with expay tree yated earnings, that you actually force some of the commitment of those funds, those saved funds taxes to public purpose like infrastructure. if we set up the parameters of what we would be willing to deal with and not necessarily drawing lines in the sand but saying these are the kinds of things that we would want to see in a bipartisan tax reform bill, then i think we can probably see where republicans really are on this. >> who starts that process? where does that begin? who is involved in that, the laying of the lines in the sand, if you will? >> the leadership of both the -- democratic leadership of the shows and senate. >> nancy pelosi coming over to the white house? >> it would be nancy pelosi, the ranking democrat on the ways and means committee. >> do you see has happening in do you see this coupkunl ba ya
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moment? >> i think if the president asked where can we deal on tax reform, what do you find acceptable, then yeah. i have never seen democrats say we won't talk to republicans. republicans have their own problems. they have a fx thaction that dot want to government. they came to deconstruct the government. the reality is -- we saw it with john boehner. we saw it last week. if you want to get anything done in congress today you have to deal with the democrats because the republicans can't get consensus from their freedom cauc caucus. >> paul rooyan said republicans have been so used to being the opposition party now they're learning the growing pains of governing. is there a risk of democrats to be labeled the opposition party,
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the party of no? are you concerned that's the label that the democrats are going to get over the next four years? >> i think as long as we keep saying we're willing to work if republicans reach out, that will paint a different picture. >> saying and doing are different, though, right? >> but, you know, i don't mind saying no when you get the kind of ideological freedom caucus based agenda that the republican majority has basically put forward for the last six years. that's all we've seen from them. and if they continue it, the american people expect us to say no. >> there's a budget deadline coming up next month but sources are tell us you can move money around, keep the lights on until at least after the summer. what can you tell us? what's the latest? >> two different issues, one is the debt ceiling, the one you're referring to. the other one is april 28th when funding for the government runs out. we're dealing now on a continuing resolution which continues funding at existing rates. we have to actually legislate
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something or the government shuts down. that's going to be an interesting issue. again, one in which in the past the only way we've gotten it done is with democrats and republicans worki ining togethe >> mulvaney who is a friend of mine is one who has no problem in shutting the government down. he enjoyed shutting the government down in 2013. it's going to be an interesting scenario to see how the white house handles that real big challenge to get funding past april 28th. >> so do you predict a government shutdown, then, congressman or is this just simply too premature to talk about? >> well, you know, again, there have been republicans who have been willing to shut the government down before. i don't think they'll do it again because they were about to pay a huge political price when they did it in 2013. so i don't expect that. i think paul ryan and i know mitch mcconnell are much smarter than that. but there's a faction in the
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republican party, particularly in house that wouldn't mind that at a bit. >> senate minority leader chuck schumer was talking about what president trump needed to do to get democrats on board and he said it's not me, it's him essentially. that the president has to and working with him is impossible unless he does that. what changes would you need to see with president trump to get on board with some of his budget plan? >> i think a summit at the white house with democratic leadership would be a good start, saying here's the menu of things that we need to work on. which can we work on together, which can't we. what are the parameters of your cooperation. and then we would know what the turf looks like. i think that's really the only way to do it. and that shouldn't be hard. it shouldn't be hard at all. if he's the great negotiator he is and the deal maker, he should be able to call democrats in
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saying where can we work together and not just lob things through tweets and expect us to respond favorably. >> if that happens and you're at the white house, you'll come back and talk about how that went. >> i will be sure to do that. >> quick reaction to what you heard from the congressman on the budget and health reform. do you think there's an opportunity for republicanance democrats to reach across the aisle. >> the democrats are trying to figure out how much do we want to work with president trump. how much do we want to make that first step. i don't think they have quite the answer yet. >> and i think the president has to get into the weeds. we has to get into a level of detail and sit with the democrats and republicans saying which pieces of this matter to you, which can we trade. it's not his specialty but that's where he's going to have to figure out what's on the negotiating table. we're going to dive into the health care debate, making sense
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we are back now with a little bit of breaking news from during the break.
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we've. talking about this investigation that the house intelligence committee is doing. devin new nes has been in the spotlight for sharing different kinds of names. here is what we know now. there are questions of where chairman nuns is. turns out he was at the white house. a skean is saying that the chairman met with his source, the source that gave him what he called new information about the white house grounds in order to have proximity to a secure location where he could view the information provided by the source. this is significant. the spokesperson goes on to say that the chairman is extremely concerned about the possible improper unmasking of names of u.s. citizens and begani lookin
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into the issue. president's assumption is that trump tower had been wire tapped by the obama administration. we're working to get our team of reporters up to share more about this. but it does answer some questions about where where devin nunes met with his source and raised new questions about why white house grounds and the implications of that. we're going to talk about that but first a quick check of the morni morning's headlines. the arrest on sunday thousa people protested against corruption in russia. 700 people were arrested. police in cincinnati is looking at whoever is behind the deadly shooting at a cincinnati nightclub. one person killed, 15 others hurt yesterday morning. police say the attack was not terror related. and in new york, mayor bill de blasio says the fearless girl
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statue is staying, the girl with the ponytail facing down the iconic bull. a tourist attraction, thousands of selfies there. advocates wanted her to stay to send a message about the gender gap in the financial world. the je we are now 72 hours out from the republican health care implosion and we're taking a look at the bill's short lived 18 days of life and what that tells us where the gop goes from here. inside the gop's health care debacle. and the author of that story, tim alberta. walk us through the reporting here. you talked to tons of sources, dyed into h dived into how this fell apart. how did it fall apart? >> first, president trump was not involved at the granular level in the way that necessarily you would expect a
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president would be with a signature domestic legislation, which is what this was supposed to be. he's a business executive and operates from 30,000 feet, assigns lieutenants to do the heavy lifting for him. but his detachment from the process was striking. but when it came time to sell it to people who he needed to sell it to, he was unable to because he was not able to sort of negotiate in the details. and in the specifics that they were looking for. and then o the other side, ker paul ryan on policy and ocess, there were just lots of problems with this bill. ani think that that was manifested in the fact that not only you had the house freedom caucus opposed, others opposed. >> big deal on friday morning. >> an unprecedented amount of opposition. >> you have a line that sums it up in your piece. if the bill failed because trump is a great salesman with a poor grasp of policy it failed
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because ryan is a por salesman with a great grasp of policy. how much falls on the shoulders of speaker ryan and how real is this great relationship between the president and the house speaker. ai aides saying they talked a couple of times. >> i buy it to the extent that i don't think paul ryan's job is in jeopardy at this point. when you think about the background of these two and their turbulent relationship, it's a miracle that paul rooib is in the position he's in, not only to be the speaker of the house and the second most powerful republican in washington. but to have the president outsourcing essentially 100% of the policy making decision to him i think up until now has been remarkable. does president trump and his wing pull back and say we're going to take it from here, paul. i'm not sure. i think that remains to be seen. but speaker ryan has to own probably the lion's share of this defeat. i think there's a difference between understanding where he wants to go with policy and
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actually selling that policy to people in a compelling way or constructing that policy in a productive and effective enough way to sell it and pajt it and market it to republicans who are skeptical not only from the gh but the left. it's a problem for this bill and has been a problem for speaker rei ryan in the past. and the white house may keep him on a shorter leash. >> i want to shift a little bit and talking about the intelligence committee investigations into russia's interference in the election. we're going to ken delaney in walking on where chairman devin nunes was when he made the allegations of the president being monitored during the transition. put this into context for us about why this matters. >> sure. devin nunes acknowledging to nbc news that he was in a skiff, a sensitive compartment
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information facility in the white house to review documents around the surveillance that he later made public. that's significant was there's a mystery of where did he get the information. who are his sources. he still hasn't said. there are sensitive facilities on capitol hill in the capitol where lawmakers regularly review information. there was no need for him to go to the white house. the fact that he was there suggests that maybe he got the information from the white house. and after all, donald trump could have ordered these reports to be placed on his desk at any time. he's the president of the united states. he supervises these intelligence agencies. democrats have been charging this, as to whether this whole thing was a ruiz. nunes announces to the world he's seen surveillance reports monitoring president trump. maybe it wasn't. that whole thing has blown up the house committee
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investigation. and now it's looking like potentially he got some of these information from the white house, hallie. >> well we can't say that yet. we don't know that part. but two points, yes, there is a skiff. so a skiff as you said is sort of a compartment area where people can go and view information. this tl is one on the hill where dechb nunes works. >> right. >> and his staffers for the house committee is there every day reviewing classified information sent over to them from the executive agencies. go ahead. >> sorry. no. i want to say part two of the question is he came under a lot of fire for not briefing his democratic counter part, right, adam schiff before he went and briefed president trump. does this raise questions in your mind about how or why devin nunes decided to go brief the president if he had been at the skiff the night before talking with these sources, is this going to tamp down some of the backlash he got or is it going
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to intensify it? >> it's going to intensify it because it seems to confirm a theory. or offer some strong evidence in con ffirmation of a theory that out there that this was all a stunt. it's very -- the standard practice -- it's very normal for him to raise the issues, w surveillance shared improperly. that's totally legit. but the way it's done, you share it with the committee, you go forward as a unified front. the house committee is one of the most bipartisan committees on the hill. the fact that he did not share this information with the committee, the fact that he went and had a news conference in the capitol and another news conference at the white house infuriated democrats and raised questions about his independence. >> ken, i'll let you get back to the phones. that's where you spend most of you time.
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thank you for joining us. let me bring back in our panel, paul and amber and tim. how do you see this unfolding and explain the significance of this as somebody who is obviously well-sourced in the gop world. >> i think chairman nunes is in a little trouble here and republicans will acknowledge as much. the republican leadership is nervous about this. lifting up for a second of the details of what we're learning this morning within we're less than 70 days into president trump's presidency. and this drip drip drip from russia is going more to undermine them than any health care defeat. this is trouble for the white house. i think that president trump needs to very quickly gather everybody around him and try to get out in front of this as much as possible, put as much daylight on this as possible. be up front and clear about it. it's not that we know there's a smoking gun or overt wrongdoing at this point but it's the
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perception of covering up with, the white house in cahoots with people on the hill trying to keep things from the democrats or the public. it's dangerous right now for the republicans. >> it's interesting that when chairman nunes looks like he's in trouble, you were nodding. >> it's like a family circus of the cartoons of billy running arnd the nghborhood on the way to deliver a pie next door. if he announced earlier in the week he had to rush over and brief the president on what he joust found and now he 's sayin he found it at the white house? why didn't you go up the hallway and brief him on what you just found and why hadn't the president already if it was coming from the white house. none of this makes any sense. what was going on. >> we're going to talk more about it after the break. i have to let tim get back to his day job. amber and paul, you'll be around. up next, not just about these new revelations we're getting about the house intelligence investigation into
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intelligence committee acknowledging that he was actually briefed by a source on information on potential understaincidental collection a actual white house, on white house grounds. the other story we're following is a delay on a committee vote for judge neil gorsuch. joining us live from capitol hill, and back with him amber and paul. ca couple of questio for you. nobody knows this story like you on capitol hill regarding devin nunes. what does this information say to you about where does this story go from here? >> reporter: i think from the perspective of what -- how this might play ou politicalli out p fact that he went to the white house the night before to apparently view this information, according to a statement from his spokesman. >> right. >> saying he went to the white house to look at this information in a secure
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facility. a couple things about that. first of all, he then goes out, does a press conference. he has not told adam schiff, the ranking member about it. it kind of unwinds over the course of the day, eventually adam schiff holds a press conference. at that point he's not been allowed to look at the information yet. they're saying we have to wait until the intelligence community produces it. but again devin nunes apparently reviewing it at the white house a day before. you're going to start to see a lot of questions about why it was that nunes, a republican was able to view the information and suddenly it was off limit to the ranking member, the democrat on this committee. nunes says it's to protect his source but clearly there must be others who are aware of who this source is if in fact they held the meeting at the white house. that's a whole new set of squ questions that have been opened up by all of this and it sets the stage for a potentially dramatic showdown, back and forth.
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the democrats were already at the point where they're almost on the verge of saying that they don't trust this investigation. the house intelligence committee has historically been one of the few bipartisan places left and they are of course supposed to be an overslight question, that is they do oversight of the executive branch. this appears to be in violation of that spirit any way. >> casey, it seems this is not going to put to rest questions about calls for an independent investigation into this, most likely a select committee if you will. have we seen any democrats coming out with that call? it's super early to discuss reaction but i have to ask. >> caller: >> reporter: it is super early. the members of congress were out of town for the weekend. >> the confirmation battle for spokt pick judge neil gorsuch. seems that there will be a
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delay. walk us through how this is unfolding. >> reporter: we expected this. and in this way the judiciary committee has been operating -- it seems that the chairman chuck grassley has been honoring the democrat requests. they want another week to look at all of the material. it looks like we'll get a committee vote in a week and then obviously down the line they'll schedule the confirmation vote for judge gorsuch. it's a little bit of an interesting story because on the one hand this has been completely noncontroversial. these hearings took place with other drama unfolding least week. for the most part, judge gorsuch got glowing reviews. didn't seem to put a foot wrong in the view of many. however it seems that democrats are basically preparing to what we call going nuclear up here on capitol hill. it sounds probably dramatic to people back home considering it doesn't seem like this should be compared to nuclear a war. but it basically means that they
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get rid of the filibuster which for the senate is a big deal. take a look at what chris kuns has to say on this earlier on "morning joe". >> i don't think he's going to get the votes. >> then the republicans are going to pass it used the so-called nuclear action? >> almost certainly. and this is tragic. talking to friends on both sides of the aisle, we've got a lot o senators concerned about where we're headed. >> reporter: what's driving this? of course it's the pressure that democrats are under to not be seen as cooperating with president trump in any way. there are democrats who privately wish that they would kind of hold their fire and wait until the next nomination comes around when the ideological balance of the supreme court would be at stake. but right now the political environment is so toxic that it looks we're headed there on judge gorsuch. >> casey, thank you very much. up next, we're going to talk about donald trump's border wall with mexico. another big legislative priority of his. companies are lining up to build
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so this week a deadline is coming up for contractors hoping to submit the winning design for the trump wall. more than 60 companies are pushing to try to get the gig. and roughly 10% of the bidders are hispanic. gadi schwartz is joining us via dronlive from the border there. you have been talking to s of the business designers, and for some of them it's kind of person, right? >> reporter: this is a difficult decision for some of them because some of them have family who immigrated from mexico to the united states. last week we traveled to ft. worth, texas, to talk to one of those business owners about why he's made the decision to help build this wall. when it comes to building the wall, competition is going to be fierce. there are more than 600 applications to build this wall.
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10% of those coming from hispanic-owned businesses. we're here in fort worth to talk to one of the business owners. i know we can't show the plans on tv, but can you show us the plans? >> sure. trump says he wants a big, beautiful wall. we think our concept accomplishes that. >> especially that. it looks like the president is going to like that a lot. michael is a lawyer turned titan of the texas construction industry. and for him, building this wall isn't about what you might think. you're hispanic, 80% of your workers are hispanic, was it difficult to approach this project? >> it was. we had to do a lot of soul searching. this is a hot-button issue. people are adamant on one side or the other. hardly anyone is in the middle. the whole reason we decided to do this project is because of the concerns we had where other companies were proposing more lethal designs. >> reporter: you're talking about the electrified fences and the use of electricity. >>ah,hings like that. very concerning for us as a
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company. >> reporter: michael has been an advocate for fixing the immigration policy for years. he's quick to point out undocumented immigrants commit less crimes than the rest of the population and most are here to work. he thinks a wall could actually be a path to immigration reform. >> our hope is by securing or borders and forcing the laws on the books, we'll finally have the appetite to pass new laws, comprehensive immigration reform to bring the people out of the shadows. >> reporter: step one, build the wall. step two, start talking about immigration. >> step one has to be about securing the borders. >> reporter: michael, i imagine you have a pretty big latino family, how did they take this? >> yeah, i got the call from one of my aunts and couldn't get a word in for 30 minutes. she was like, amigo -- it was just, she didn't take a breath, i'm telling you, for 30 minutes. >> reporter: and it wasn't just his latino family, he had to convince his entire workforce. were you on board automatically or did it take a little convincing? >> well, no, i wasn't on board
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automatically. when michael started talking to us about the vision and how we n a certain sense, had a responsibility toward bringing a wall that was humane, humanitarian, we thought it made a whole lot of sense. >> our hope is that as the great negotiator that president donald trump is, once we have the border secured, he'll be able to go to all of the people around this great nation and say it's time now to pass a comprehensive set of laws, which will allow people in this country, hard-working people, to become full-fledged citizens. >> reporter: now haley, what we can tell you about his plans is it is a wall 18 feet to 30 feet tall. this is about 18 feet right here. and it is impossible to climb without the use of a rope or possibly a ladder. hallie, back to you. >> gadi schwartz there at the u.s./mexico border. taking a live look at the wall
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there. thank you very much. let's go to amber and paul here. amber, quick reaction to what we just saw? >> republicans have a headache on their hands on how to fund this wall. i don't see the deficit hawks agreeing to give donald trump a check of millions of dollars. the minimum estimate is $8 billion up to $23 billion. >> god bless america, right? let us have an immigrant contractor build this wall that is a signature of our immigration policy. that's our nation. >> thank you to the both of you for coming to hang out on the set on this foggy day in d.c. paul and amber, come back, soon. coming up, andrea mitchell later on in this network has an interview with the head of the senate intel committee, democratic member mark warner. stick around. 's time for the "your business" entrepreneur of the week. she inherited a secret recipe
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it has become a busy monday day here in washington. i'll turn it over to my colleague chris jansing with much more on the day's developments. yeah, another busy day. thank you so much, hallie russian ties. now they want to question jared kushner about his meetings with the russian officials. and the art of the ordeal. the republican party is in disarray after the health care debacle. how can the gop recover and how
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can the democrats capitalize on this? and we'll break down the message from bush that show the task at hand. and stalling on the president's pick for the supreme court. good morning, everyone. i'm chris jansing in washington. boy, it's another day of just break-neck news. right now, a chance to hear from president trump, any minute now, he's got a meeting set to start with women small business owners, which means a chance for the press to ask some questions, including what now? what next? this morning the white house is picking up the pieces trying to move forward after fray's collapse of the effort to repeal and replace obamacare. republican leaders also trying to regroup and learn some lessons, feelings still raw, and then breaking jus

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