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this? and we'll break down the message from bush that show the task at hand. and stalling on the president's pick for the supreme court. good morning, everyone. i'm chris jansing in washington. boy, it's another day of just break-neck news. right now, a chance to hear from president trump, any minute now, he's got a meeting set to start with women small business owners, which means a chance for the press to ask some questions, including what now? what next? this morning the white house is picking up the pieces trying to move forward after fray's collapse of the effort to repeal and replace obamacare. republican leaders also trying to regroup and learn some lessons, feelings still raw, and then breaking just minutes ago, a spokesman for house
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intelligence committee chairman devin nunes confirming that the chairman was on the white house grounds the day before he announced that members of the president's transition team and possibly the president himself may have been swept up in incidental surveillance. nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker and capitol hill correspondent kasie hunt is standing by for us. kristen, tell us what the facts are and what the implications are here. >> reporter: well, essentially, devin nunes' spokesperson as you point out, chris, acknowledges he was on the white house grounds before making that announcement that he had some real concerns that president trump and his associates may have been caught up in some surveillance during the transition period. so the question about the fact that he was on the white house grounds, being briefed here in secure area, the question again becomes who exactly was briefing him? now, he has, of course, been
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keeping his sources confidential. but it raises a lot more questions and potentially raises a cloud over this entire issue. remember, president trump said that he felt, in part, vindicated by the revelations by devin nunes. by the he's walked back some of his statements since he originally made them. so it just creates an air of confusion. the white house hasn't officially weighed in or commented yet, but press secretary sean spicer has his daily briefing at 1:30 today and reporters can ask the president questions in just moments from now. so we could get some type of reaction, chris. >> let's go over to capitol hill and kasie has been following this from the very beginning. here you have the head of the intelligence committee, he holds two press conferences, there's a breach with adam schiff, the ranking member on the other side. then he seems to walk back what he said, first of all, help us understand from the capitol hill perspective what this all means. >> reporter: well, chris, it adds, again, to the confusion
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around this story. so if you just walk through what happened last week, monday you had fbi director jim comey come up to capitol hill to acknowledge there's an investigation and says again, there's no evidence that trump tower was wiretapped. it seems the whole issue has been put to bed. then what we're learning today is that devin nunes went to the white house grounds on tuesday. and i want to read you the statement that they just put out that we got from devin nunes' office this morning. chairman nunes met with his source at the white house grounds in order to have proximity to a secure location where he could view the information provided by the source. the chairman is eremely looking into this issue even
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if -- this is before president trump tweeted his assertion that trump tower has been wiretapped. i should note this happened in a room where you can view classification, where the intelligence committee meets on a regular basis, and he says he has seen this information and we try to figure out, he says, that this information says that there was incidental collection of people who are associated with donald trump, potentially the president himself, potentially members of his family. this, of course, is being digested, adam schiff, at this point, has not seen the information. then he goes to the press. back to the white house grounds, this time to the actual white house to talk to the president about this material. all before he's spoken to
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democrats. now, when he does get on the phone or has a conversation with adam schiff, the ranking member, a democrat, he tells adam schiff, sorry, you can't see this information. i have to protect my source. so then they say to the intelligence communities, the fbi, the nsa, please produce this information in another way. i think it's important to note one thing that nunes said in the press conference on wednesday, was that fbi director comey, he was apparently unhappy with fbi director comey, while he was pleased with what the nsa did, i think that may help us figure out exactly where this information came from. but at this point again, nunes has raised more questions than he's answered here, chris. >> and you already have paul ryan not in the best situation because, obviously, he's still dealing with where do we go from here on the health care debacle. you've got to wonder now if there is going to be more pressure on him to do something about devin nunes. >> reporter: well, i think it
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potentially would be up to paul ryan to create some independent investigation or commission to look into this on the house side. and that is now what democrats have been calling for. i think we're still a little bit of a ways away from that, if, in fact, there would be a real possibility. but the more twists and turns there are around this, the more likely that is. remember, that all of this, this pressure to have comey appear before the committee, that builds over time. and it got that way because, in part, because of the president's own actions, the tweets that he sent out about the wiretaps, that frustrated republicans on capitol hill enough that they felt like they needed to keep bringing comey back up here to capitol hill. eventually it spilled out into the public. and now you have this acknowledged investigation going on in the fbi, in addition to all of the rest of this back and forth. so i just think it's important to remember that this public outside pressure can have real consequences. i'm not sure we know yet what they are going to be, but it is
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a real possibility. >> kasie, thank you. and chris tekristen, i just che and know the white house press pool has not gone in. what we just talked about is not the only breaking news related to russia this morning. the investigation into whether president trump's campaign had ties to russian operatives is now knocking on the door of the white house. and nbc news has confirmed that the senate intelligence committee plans to question senior white house adviser jared kushner, who is also the president's son-in-law. with me now is matthew rosenberg, national security reporter for "the new york times" who co-wrote the article that first broke the story. matthew, it's good to see you. i want to read part of what you wrote. the senate panel's decision to question mr. kushner would make him the closest person to the president to be called upon in any of the investigations and the only one currently serving in the white house. put this in perspective for us. >> well, we've had a number of other kind of trump associates swept up into this, his former
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campaign chairman paul manafort, roger stone, carter page, even mike flynn. ke flynn was fired partly for misleading the president about his contacts with the russian ambassador. and now we have kushner in the same situation. where he met with the russian ambassador but then there was another meeting with a russian banker from a state-owned bank that we are only just finding out about now. and we are in a situation where every other week or two we seem to find out something new, another person who met with somebody. and there is just a lack of candor here that raises so many questions. >> well, the white house says, look, there was nothing to it, nothing came out of it. but then it does beg the question, then why didn't you make this known? >> well, we knew about flynn and kushner meeting with the russian ambassador. a few weeks ago we found out about that. and at the time, we asked, were there other meetings? now, the banker is not a russian official, sure, there's a get out of jail free card there, but there's a lack of candor.
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when somebody says there's nothing to look at here and find out later, wait, it was a little different, it is different, there's another meeting. it makes it hard to believe that there's nothing to look at, everything is fine, not a big deal line that we constantly get. >> the reality is washington when things drip out. you have mark warner, the senator of the vice chairman committ committee, let me make this sound bite from "meet the press" yesterday. >> i said the most important thing i have worked on, with what i know now, i doubly believe that. this is the most serious effort that has to be done bipartisan. we have to get the facts out to the american people. >> you keep saying there's a lot more smoke. you think the fire is there? >> listen, time will tell. >> so here's where two break being stories intersect, right? you hear what mark warner has to say, but then you have devin nunes, the chairman of the house intelligence committee, he canceled the committee's hearing that was scheduled for tomorrow on russia.
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democrats say he's protecting the president. and so the question is, is there more smoke here? >> i mean, it certainly looks like that. let's put what nunes is saying in perspective. this unmasking of names in intelligence reports is not unserious, but in the same week, last week where director comey went before the house and said, there is an espionage investigation that touches on the white house. this is a very small technical issue and looks a lot like an attempt to distract from a much bigger problem in both the white house and their allies in the house have. and nunes is one of their allies. he was a member of trump's transition team. >> matt rosenberg, thank you so much. this is a great story. people can look at it online. thank you. appreciate that. meantime, jared kushner also expected to get a new role in the administration today, leaving the effort to overhaul the federal government. he's going to lead the white house office of american innovation described as a kind of s.w.a.t. team of con still
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tants who will infuse washington with fresh thinking. joining me is ashley parker, political reporter at "the washington post" who first broke this story. ashley, so the presidentold "the washington post" in a statement, i'm going to read it here, i promise the amecan people i would produce results and apply my ahead-of-schedule and under-budget mentality to the government. so tell me how this is supposed to look. what is this going to look like? >> sure. so they are sort of still figuring it out what this is going to look like, but this is supposed to be kind of an internal consulting group, like a mackenzie, for instance. it's very small, very nimble, a small group of aides who almost all of them have a wall street or a business background and very few of them also have any political experience and report to jared kushner who reports directly to the president. and the idea is that this group can sort of tackle special projects outside of the day-to-day of politics and legislating. and it does not hurt that they
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have a direct line to the president that can sort of green light something way more quickly than going through normal channels. that can rub a lot of people who would be involved in the normal channels the wrong way. >> yeah, i mean, when you look at it on its face, and i looked at this statement of what jared kushner told you, which is that the government should be run like a great american company, our hope is we can achieve successes and efficiencies for customers who happen to be citizens, it sounds good. this is not the first administration that has gone in and said, okay, we're going to get rid of the waste, we're going to take a look at everything, we're going to -- bureaucracy is too big. but even with the direct line to the president, how realistic is what sounds like pretty lofty goals? >> so first, you're exactly right, this is not the first administration to try this, although it's the first administration where it is being run by the president's son-in-law, a much more direct chain of command. and i think it's an open question. president trump saw last week
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sort of the challenges he was going to come in and take his boardroom skills to the oval office and do a grt, beautiful deal on health care and that didn't work. so i do think there's an element of sort of the federal bur accuracy in washington as much more attractable than people believe until they get here. and this group may very well run into some of these problems. i will say the ceos we spoke to were fairly high-powered individuals in contact with this group so far, or were officially heartened to say in other administrations they would have meetings and go home to hear radio silence. there's a level of follow-up on these issues, but it is still an open question. >> we'll be fascinated to follow. ashley, thank you for being with us. >> thank you. what is next nor the gop? will they give up the health care battle or revive the fight? i'm going to speak to republicans about the options ahead. uh-- wha-- woof!
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right or wrong, the bill we had is better than obamacare. and i think they should have come aboard to say, yes, we'll support this and look forward to making the bill better in the future. now we are back to where we were years ago. >> that was republican congressman ted poe on "morning joe" today, just a day after he resigned from the house freedom caucus over the opposition to the republican health care plan that led to its defeat, at least in part. president trump tweeted, democrats are now smiling that in the freedom caucus with the
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help of club for growth and heritage have saved planned parenthood and ocare. joining us live now, tommy is here from the heritage foundation. good to see you and good morning. is that what happened here? the president obviously back in the white house behind us, not a fan. did you save planned parenthood and obamacare? >> no, i think the president is frustrat. we have not gotten the result we are working towards, which is repealing andreplacing obamacare. >> why not? >> we have not gotten consensus in the house. both sides are frustrated. >> is that on the president and his leadership or paul ryan and his leadership? >> it's not on anybody. we are going to get repeal and replacement done, but we are not there yet and that is frustrating. >> the president said he's moving on and then he said he needs to work with the democrats. realistically, given the fact that people are getting into campaign mode for 2018, what are the chances that what you say is
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going to happen will happen? >> well, you said it right there, it's the campaign for 2018 that will drive this. this is too big of a promise to leave behind. republicans have got to go back to repealing and replacing obamacare, and they will because that's what they promised to do. >> look at somebody like mark meadows who reported to politico this morning in his north carolina district, he's being treated as a conquering hero. he stood up to people like you, i presume, who didn't want to do what they wanted to do, which was just get rid of it. >> well, i think congress meadows' view is similar to mine, which is that the american health care act isn't what we promised to do. we promised to fully repeal obamacare and replace it with conservative solutions. the american health care act fell short on both of those, so stopping it was a good thing. now we can go back to the drawing board and get a bill that does fulfill the campaign promises that president trump and congressman mark meadows both made. >> someone says you have been at th drawing boardor seven years and talking about this for seven years, so why should i believe that suddenly you're going to have a solution to
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this, what would you say to them? >> well, we have been at the drawing board for repeal for seven years. replacing is an ever-changing target. the health insurance markets have taken a dramatic turn since obamacare was enacted. and forging consensus on that will be a challenge. it was and challenge for the democrats health insurance. market in this country is a huge deal politically, but we'll get it repealed and replace. >> we'll go to moveon.org's organizer and we also have michael steele here. i was at the white house on friday when the health care blew up and saw paul ryan walking out. i thought, he knows how john boehner feels, right? >> well, i think the former speaker feels vindicated other people are facing the same challenges he did, but he is also frustrated. he likes paul ryan and wants paul ryan to succeed. he thinks obamacare is a disaster and wants it repealed and replaced. this was the best opportunity in
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seven years to get that done and we missed it. >> but vindicated from what? >> from people who thought that the challenges dealing with this small group of recalcitrant members were unique to john boehner. they were not. this is an institutional group of people. >> what do you do if you are paul ryan? >> well, thii think paul ryan a the president have to work together to figure out how to get the members together or work with democrats. >> it sounds like he's on the ladder. >> i think we are probably on firmer ground likely to get the conservative public policy wins we want by figuring out a way to get the recalcitrant members from no to yes. >> karine, moderate mo we have heard from some of them who said, this couldn't work, couldn't happen. but what i haven't heard a lot of is, we're going to work together. we heard it from people like lindsey graham at his town hall where he was frankly taking it
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on the chin quite a bit. where are the democrats on this now? >> well, i think it makes it very difficult for the democrats to now work with the president and the republicans. i mean, if anything, this has emboldened the democrats because this is something that republicans have been, like we have been talking about, going after this for seven years. and this is the best that they can do, a draconian kind of bill that the cbo said 24 million would lose their health care? and let's look at the last 100 days, well, less than 70 days, you have a president who two signature issues have not happened. muslim ban at one point went down and was blocked by the courts. muslim 2.0 was blocked by the courts. he's under investigation as we know from fbi director comey for the russian connections with his administration. so there's nothing there for democrats to want to work with this president on. let's not forget, there are families out there still being deported. and he's at 37%, 39% approval
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rating. >> and then add to today, you have jared kushner, who is going to be testifying on russia. we find out that there was another meeting that he didn't, at least publicly, was not known about. and you have all of these things that are piling . so wha do you do if you are, first of all, paulryan? what do you do if you're the president? >> i think we're moving from being a party of opposition to a governing party. most house republicans have never been in the situation where they have a republican president. many center republicans have never been in a situation where they have a republican president. and most senior administration officials have never been senior administration officials before. so we're figuring it out, but we have the united agenda around repealing and replacing obamacare, tax reform, infrastructure, and getting our economy moving again. >> when you hear that from fellow republicans at the heritage foundation, well, we just, you know, we need a little more time. is there time? >> well, i don't want to portray we are not getting anything done. president trump has made some progress on a lot of his agenda
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items, immigration is definitely one of them, nominating justice gorsuch to the court is a huge deal for president trump and republicans alike. some of the issues we are having trouble with, health care being among them, they are going to get done. i think the republican party zpsh. >> can they do it without the democrats? >> yes. the republicans are united in replacing and repeal on obamacare. >> can you say that with a straight face after what happened on friday? even michael is laughing. >> of course i can say it with a straight face. i truly believe we'll get it repealed and replaced. >> but you say you are united on it. united means you have a plan and are together on the plan. what is the plan? >> given the opportunity to vote to repeal obamacare, a certain number of membershose to say that they would not vote for it. those members have to search their conscience and figure out how to move forward. >> nobody is going to disagree that paul ryan has his hands full. devin nunes has not made it
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easier. but nancy pelosi and her folks, maybe for the first time since november, are saying, okay, i am seeing a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel. but you never want to be too confident about that. things change very quickly in washington. what is the democratic strategy need to be and what can it realistically be? >> i think they need to continue what they are doing, especially with the health care bill. they need to unite and listen to what the american public -- we did win the majority, let's not forget. >> is there a chandanger in soug like the party of opposition? >> look what this president has done in just 66, 67 days. i mean, it is -- it has been failures upon failures. there's no winning with this president. so why should the democrats come to the table with donald trump? he hasn't -- he had an opportunity, he had an opportunity to say, all right, democrats, let's come over. i know obamacare needs some fixing. let's try and fix it. he didn't meet with the democrats at all. >> do you think they would have
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cooperated with him? >> i don't know. but he could have made the kind of appeal to reach over and he didn't do that at all. he met with over 100 congressional members that were all republican. and not one democrat that he tried. but he hasn't tried. i mean, everything he's been more a divider in chief than anything else. >> but any progress with democrats is going to require democrats to get beyond being the party of no and admit obamacare is flawed and that fixes are necessary. and come forward with some sort of opportunity to make that happen. thus far, all they have done is dug in on defending obamacare and the president's legacy. >> the one thing i will say is there are ways to improve aca, absolutely. and some of that is to reall- they have the messaging of obamacare is really good. republicans have made obamacare popular. hold on, let me finish. i can tell you ways they can do that, which is to take the message that health care is a
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right, not a privilege. they now own that message and can push that forward, especially with races coming up in 2018. >> karine, thank you. michael, great to see you. tommy, thank you for coming over, appreciate it. in russia right now, fallout from the largest protests in years. nationwide there, thousands of people demonstrating against president putin. we'll have the kremlin's response in a live report. and then in cincinnati, police looking for suspects in that deadly nightclub shooting. officers say multiple shooters opened fire outside the nightclub overnight. and we'll have the latest. ♪ from engineering and manufacturing... to stealth bombers... to next-generation fighters... ♪
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vladimir putin's top critic has been sentenced to jail after being arrested for organizing anti-government protests across russia. alexi nivaldi appeared in court this morning where he was fined $300 for provoking what putin's spokesperson said illegal acts and was put in jail for resisting arrest. tens of thousands of people hit the streets across russia to protest government corruption. police say about 500 people were detained, although human rights groups say the number is more like a thousand. lucy cavanaugh is joining me now from london. lucy, he had a to say today,
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tell us more about him and what he's trying to do. >> reporter: hi, chris, good morning. alex nivaldi is a campaigner and now president putin's most vocal critic. sunday's demonstrations were the largest we have seen since then and sparked by a report released by nivaldi in which he accused the prime minister medvedev through various forms of corruption claiming that medvedev controls vineyards and luxuries. they also included a house for raising ducks. so many posters in sunday's protest featured mocking images of yellow duck toys. he is an important figure to watch, he's been a persistent thorn in the kremlin's side and served several short jail terms after previous protests and twice has been convict in a fraud case but given a suspended sentence. now he intends to run for president, chris, in 2018, an
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election in which president putin is widely expected to run for another term. in court this morning, we saw a very defiant nivaldi who tweeted a selfie from the courtroom whose words said, the time will come when we will judge them. he suggest in court that mr. medvedev should be called on as a witness because of his corruption activities that led people to come to the streets of 99 russian cities. now, russian authorities do face a difficult choice in terms of what to do with mr. nivaldi, he's become somewhat of a martyr. if he's out, he can organize more protests on the streets. the courts are choosing to give him a $350 fine and give him 15 days behind bars. chris? lucy cavanaugh in london, thank you. the killing of the al qaeda leader tops our stories of news nati nation.
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a senior al qaeda leader was killed. he was also linked t another attack ttilled eight people. and one person was killed and 15 others wounded. witnesses say an argument broke out before shots were fired and police say they do not suspect terrorism. united airlines today defending itself after preventing two girls from boarding a plane because of their attire. a debate agent in denver banned the girls because they were wearing spandex leggings. the airline saying that clothing was inappropriate. united says the girls were traveling on the past program which allows relatives and friends of the employees to fly for free, but it also requires a stricter dress code because they are considered, quote, representatives of united. and remember the fearless girl statue installed on wall street facing down the iconic charging bull? she'll stay at her place for
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back live in washington where the president is hosting a roundtable of women small business owners. we just got this tape in from the white house. let's listen. >> unbelievable entrepreneurs and small business leaders to the white house. and also, linda, thank you very much. you are doing an amazing job. you're working 24 hours a day is what the word is. i'm not surprised. >> i'm trying to keep up with you. >> i'm not surprised. and i want to thank linda for joining us today. she's doing a fantastic job leading the small business administration, and she, herself, as you know is a great, great success story. and a woman entrepreneur at the highest level. so thank you very much. empowering and promoting women in business is an absolute priority in the trump
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administration because i know how crucial women are as job creators, role models and leaders all throughout our communities. as we conclude women's mist rip month, i am thrilled that we can meet to discuss how we can continue this important mission. you all have incredible stories, many of you started businesses from scratch with very, very limited resources. sounds like i'm right about you, lisa, right? but you have the grit and the determination to make your dreams become a reality, right? >> yes. >> that's fantastic. now you're providing hundreds of jobs across our country and thousands of jobs. and you are really an inspirati inspiration, men and women. a lot of men are not able to do what you're doing. today women are the primary source of income in 40% of american households with children under the age of 15. we're also knowing that companies that promote women to
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senior leadership roles realize significantly better profits accoing to statistics than their competitors. i wouldn't have known that. dee dena, how does that work? that's pretty impressive. we have to ensure that our economy is a place that women can work and thrive. we continue to face the barriers -- >> president trump is meeting with the women entrepreneurs, nine of them, his daughter ivanka is there as well, but on a day where there has been breaking news for the white house, jared kushner is going to go before the intelligence committee. and now you have new information about devin nunes. let's talk about all this with bill crystal, founder and editor of "the weekly standard." good to see you. we'll start with devin nunes. there was this question about where was he the day before, now it turns out he was on the white house grounds the day before he made a statement about maybe the president presiden
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presidentses a maybe the associates were swept up in some surveillance. you worked in that building. tell us what you make of this new information. >> well, i think what representative nunes was saying is he was on the white house grounds to meet his source. he said, i didn't go into the white house itself. the white house grounds, as you know, is the white house itself and where donald trump is right now and the oval office and the cabinet room and the situation room. and then the executive office building, now called the eisenhower executive building, the eob, which is a pretty office building, a big ornate building, where our staff work. lessertaff, below the top 25 to 35 who have offices in the white house itself. and to get cleared into the white house, in terms of security, it is just like the white house. you have to go through the southern entrance. you have done it a million times, you have to get cleared in by someone in the white house. so devin nunes -- >> you go through an extensive background check, a pass, and they look at it multiple times --
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>> so devin nunes can't say, i'm the chair of the house, you have to get a pass into the house. this tells me devin nunes was meeting with someone on the white house staff or someone cleared in by the white house staff. someone in the executive office building, maybe who is in a sea of the security council or the strategic initial group that steve bannon runs. i do believe that the evidence is mounting up that devin nunes got the evidence he has from the white house. >> what does that mean for devin nunes, and frankly, what does that mean for paul ryan? >> i think it's not good for devin nunes. you go back to the hill and you have your staff look into it in a serious way. you don't have a press conference reporting, presumably, unsubstantiated rumors or something you looked at once at the white house. and then you go to make a big show of going to see the
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president. if you got the information from the white house, then it is just p.r. or just bolsting the president's chase to brief the president on this information. i think this raises questions for the white house, and not just paul ryan to replace nunes as the chair. >> you think it is possible? >> i do think it is possible. who did nunes come to meet with in the white house? >> what are the options? who are the most realistic options? >> somebody like seth gorka, a deputy of bannon, who presumably was called by somebody to say, hey, look at this. i shouldn't mention any names because i don't know. i need to make clear i'm speculating, but someone at that level, someone who should know something, i think, or someone who cleared another person in. but it puts the white house at the center of this. and it puts the question of what white house staffer did nunes meet with, or what white house staffer cleared in someone to meet with nunes? it puts that question front and center. >> and i'm sure it will be asked
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we are just moments away from the showdown of neil gorsuch to the senate judiciary committee. the meeting to take up a vote is set to take place at noon, but it's looking like the democrats will stall that vote. >> i don't think he's going to get 60 votes. >> okay. so then the republicans are going to pass it using the so-called nuclear -- >> yes, and this is tragic. we have a lot of senators concerned about where we are headed. >> joining me now for today's daily briefing on politics the nbc news senior political editor mark murray.
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mark, there are always a group of democrats that the republicans were looking to who were in states where donald trump won by 10, 15, 20 points, that they thought they could potentially winside. where is the whip count now? what are we looking at? >> chris, we are seeing that there are steady diet of democratic senators who are coming out against the neil gorsuch confirmation pick. right now our math doesn't get to the where chris coo ns was saying you would have a potential filibuster showdown. as you mentioned, there are 11 senate democrats up for re-election in 2018 who represent states that donald trump carried in the 20916 presidential election. so one of the arguments might end up being from republicans on hey, you guys can't necessarily filibuster. this might backfire on you. so it remains unclear where the joe manchins of west virginia, the heidi heitkamp of north dakota, jon tester of montana might be.
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but the math is this, chris. right now, there are 52 senate republicans. that means that be able to clear that 60-vote threshold you need to get eight democrats to join with them. we'll see if there will be eight yeses when it comes to the demes. >> on the judiciary committee, a couple democrats have said they're committed to voting no on gorsuch, al franken, sheldon whitehouse. what does the delay dthe for the democrats. >> when you're in the minority, one of your only moves is to be able to delay. i think for at least democrats that that actual buys them a little bit more time to see if there's another shoe that drops maybe on the russia story line or even on neil gorsuch's own background. more likely than not, the next week will transpire without any smoking gun. the minority just times delaying by a week or so just buys you a au little-bit more time and
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a big loss in his attempt to repeal a replace obamacare. questionis, what does there mean for americans across the country? this morning our focus is on
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williams kentucky, ohio. the majority of voters in that county went for donald trump. 69%. 13% of adults aged 19 too 64 there are on medicaid. 6% of them signed up for it under the affordable care act expansion. so overall, more than $700,000 ohio residents to get their health insurance through medicaid expansion. ra haim mam joins me from a community health center in ohio. you're there with a ceo of health partners of western ohio. what patients would be impacted if medicaid goes away? >> reporter: well, let me tell you what was happening, kris, a moment ago. janice underhouse and i were talking and i was asking her how she was feeling about the potential of the health care bill passing. she said it could have been devastating for this community in as up as tell me how much people you service now and how
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many were you servicing before the affordable care act made this center possible? >> so, you know, eight years ago we had two sites and now we have 11 sites. now we do all of northwest ohio. this specific site, we were seeing about 100 patients prior to the affordable care act expansion and now we see 1700 patients a month. >> before you were seeing 100 patients. where were people going for health care? >> they just weren't going. if they were really sick, they would go to the emergency rooms. preventive stuff, dl exams, counseling services, mammograms, those kinds of things people weren't getting till they were so sick they needed to go to the hospital. then they would show up in the emergency room and care was much more complicated then. >> when you look at the debate that was going on around the affordable care act and whether it should be repealed and replaced, you had some very real people concerns about what was it was going to mean in this community? >> sure. we had six employees, now we
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have 58 employees. 1700 visits a month. where are they going to go? we've done a big deep breath and a little sigh of relief, but what happens next. >> reporter: you don't know what's going to happen next. >> we're waiting for the next fall to happen. >> reporter: you have said to me, many people don't even understand where this health care is coming from. you told me the story about one woman who was helped who was a trump supporter. who was her reaction to the fact she was able to get this health care? >> well, she was able to qualify for the medicaid expansion and she said to me thank goodness i didn't have to get obamacare. i looked at her and i said guess what, this is obamacare. and she was kind of taken back. and said, well let's just keep that between you and me. so people don't have a real clear understanding of what types of services have been made possible by the affordable care act passing medicaid expansion.
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this site here has now medical departmental, pharmacy services. that's all because of medicaid expansion. >> reporter: as well as mental health services and drug treatment services. >> yes, we've been doing opiate treatment here now. people come in. they don't have to leave their community and go for a 30-day inpatient setting. we do it outpatient where they live at home and get support of their family. it's much cheaper, better for people and having better outcomes. >> reporter: this is a vy rural community about, an hour and a half from the biggest city of toledo. it takes a lot of effort for people to leave and go to a big city for health care. >> it's about an hour to get to the city. that's not fa that far. people drive ta all the time. when you're not used to driving in big citys, it's very scary to think you're on two-lane roads and all of a sudden you're on an interstate highway trying to get somewhere you've never been before. though it sounds like hour away, it's much longer. >> reporter: that's for talking
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with us. conversations about real world impacts in this community if the affordable care act were to go away. >> thank you so much, rahema ellis in ohio for us. thank you for watching this hour of msnbc live. right now, andrea mitchell reports. >> and thank you, chris jansing. right now, breaking news. more suspicions surrounding the house intelligence chair's secret white house briefing last week 37 as we learn more details where devin nunes got his supposed secret intel. and the president's son-in-law also a top white house adviser prepares to face questioning by the senate intelligence committee on that alleged russian connection. and we have a series of people very close to the president who have extensive ties with russia. >> you keep saying there's a lot more smoke. >> there's a lot more. >> do you think the fire's there. >> time will tell. >> senator mark warner joining

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