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first he says he's willing to be judged and charged with oversight. he arranges to hand over helpful evidence to the chairman one night at the white house. he has that chairman show up the white house the next day excited with what he calls "alarming information." information he's just been given the night before at the white house itself. what if we learned he had changed cars on the way to the white house that night before when he got there in a way that evaded detection. what the if the president's press secretary wasn't told, would the president who went through this trouble to deceive them? here is what we know for sure, five days ago, nunez has said he had seen classified information that led him to conclude that members of the president's own transition team were swept up in incidental surveillance of foreigners. after discovering that, he was so alarmed that he rush today the white house to disclose it
himself. he said the president was taking heat. well, later that day president trump claimed he had been vindicated for his now debungt allegation that he was wiretapped by president obama. nothing nunez has disclosed confirms the president's allegation. but his bizarre attempt to provide coverage, the morning thing has led many to believe that he could have obtained his information from someone at the white house itself. as i mentioned today, we learned where nunez sold that and how he snuck to secretly meet with his source. well the washington post reports on the night before his press conference, the chairman of the intelligence committee was on his way to an event when the evenings plans abruptly changed. after taking a brief phone call, he swapped cars and slipped away from his staff. from there, nunez proceeded to the white house. he defended the move saying, it was the most convenient secure location with a computer connected to the system that
included the reports. he said his source was intelligence official, but it wasn't the white house. late today nunes portrayed it as a routine visit. >> it's pretty common, at least once a week if not more than that, we have to go to the executive branch in order to read classified intelligence. so that could be the white house grounds. it could be the white house. it the pentagon. it could be cia. there are a number of places we go. i have been working this for a long time with many different sources and needed a place that i could actually finally go because i knew what i was looking for and i could actually get access to what i needed to see. number one, i wasn't sneaking out. it wasn't at night. what it was -- it was in the middle -- the sun was out and i actually stopped and talked to several people along the way. >> so you have other meetings at the white house. did you meet with the president or any of his aides while you
were there that night? >> no. i think people in the west wing had no idea that i was there. now just minutes ago the ranking democratic adamhi called upon nunes to recuse himself from this investigation. joining me right now is kristin welker, ken delaney intelligence reporter and democratic congressman eric swevl also joins us. i have to go to kristin walker, it seems to me that he's complaining and still see the sun. he say that is he didn't sneak in but his staff people saw him disappear and he changed cars, didn't tell anybody where he was going and he waited about 6:30 to come up with his explanation, when you have to put your story together hours and hours before you come clean. what do you know for some sm one to get a briefing from somebody who is whistleblowing, we're
being told. what do you make of the whole story? >> first of all, chris, he would need to be signed into the white house, the question is and our whole focus is who signed him into the white house. we pressed press secretary sean spicer, he said he will get back to us with an answer, so far that hasn't happened. even a member of congress just walk into the white house. now, we also pressed spicer who briefed him and if the white house was aware, they dodged questions about that. spicer did during h briefin and effectively p this back on nunes and said he's the one that can answer those questions. this does raise a lot of questions about whether or not this was a white house staffer who briefed him, even though he said it wasn't, sean spicer didn't rule out that possibility. so there are still a lot of unanswered questions about who specifically briefed him but who signed him into the white house in the first place.
in order to get in here you would need white house clearance, chris. >> i have a sense that spicer has no idea what happened. when he was asked by you folks would it make any sense for a guy like -- for nunes to go there the nighttime before and show up the next day in which he's got hot information, he said that would make no sense. it doesn't make any sense. you pick up the information at one agency, the white house and bring it back with great alarm, guess what i found out here last night, it doesn't make sense. how do we put that together? spicer looks like he was in the dark on this thing? >> he absolutely does, you're right about that, chris. i think the broader question becomes, does this not make the case for some type of independent investigation. now, the white house isn't prepared to go so far as to back that. as you know, the calls are growing on capitol hill for an independent investigation because there are so many questions. nunes is saying i'm not going to tell you who gave this information because i want to protect my methods and sources.
the reality is, there are mounting calls to get to t bottom of exactly what he was told. as you know, he's waveredn terms of his story. the president said he felt somewhat vindicated by what he heard from nunes he's walked back from his initial stateme s statements, so the white house not willing to go so far to say there should be an independent investigation, but there are growing calls on that in pennsylvania avenue and some here at the white house behind the scenes, as well. >> remember way back when dick cheney gave some information to the "new york times" and appeared in the "new york times" and goes on "meet the press" and see what's in the "new york times" today. he gets information from the white house and says, i've got some new information that exonerates you mr. president. the president says, oh, yeah, this is helpful, it looks like the alley-oop play, working together and making it look like some kind of serendipity when, in fact, it was a play, can you react to that or not? >> i can tell you there were a lot of heated exchanges about
that in the briefing. when spicer was pressed on any element of that assertion he pushed back and said, look, there's no indication or evidence that that is the case and that gets ahead of things. but the optics of it, chris, as you point out. the optics right now are the problem, because certainly that's what a number of people are asking, was this not planted by the white house to give cover to president trump. you'll remember when nunes was standing in the same spot i was standing here last week and gave that pre conferenc we pressed him on, whether or not he was effectively trying to give some cover to president trump. he said that wasn't the case. this certainly raises a whole lot more questions in that regard, chris. >> for those who believe in the easter bunny, i'm sure it was saleable. thank you. >> senator mark, he's the ranking member of the senate, he said at the very least, someone must have es skorted nunes.
>> anyone, eisenhower building, you have to be escorted, who is he meeting with, was it a source or somebody from the administration and he goes to this what appears to be a charade where he comes out the next day and briefs the president before he tells the democrats. i'm not even sure he's told the other house republicans what this quote/unquote information was. so it raises a lot of questions. >> charade mas ka ra ska raid. he said today he didn't know whether chairman nunes had to be cleared to get into the white house or whether he would require help to access the skiff. here is spicer and trying to catch up with the news, here. >> you have to be cleared -- >> i don't know member of congress need to be cleared. >> yes members of congress may not be cleared in, to get access
to skiff, i believe that reires som cooperation on the executive branch, because there are intelligent places on capitol hill. >> i will be glad to take a look at that to figure out whether or not that's an accurate statement or not. >> he sounds more and more like sergeant schultz, i know nothing. what do you make of this? what do you make of your chairman? >> he's betrayed the independence he's suppose to show. he should be near this investigation or let alone leading it. when you watch the way this white house works, this is what it looks like when you're covering up the crime. >> did you ever switch cars to evade detection, did you ever lose your step so you can skip town and head to some meeting somewhere. it doesn't look like a routine visit that the chairman claims it to be. >> no. and i like nunes, before he went on the trump transition team he never saw anything like this. i don't think he's come off.
chris, i will also say this, what is so disturbing he said he's had this information for a very long time which raises the question, well if you had it for a long time, why didn't you share it with the ranking member on our committee. i think it can be more explained if this was something he received urgently. he had been sitting on this, allegedly. >> let me ask you, do you think he should still be chairman on the issue of russia? >> no. whether he chairs the committee or not that's up to paul ryan. paul ryan signed off on every step that nunes has taken so far with this investigation, including going to the house. >> do you think he told paul ryan the speaker that he had just been to the white house to get information. do you think paul ryan knew about this whole masquerade event? >> can't speak to that. if he asked his permission to take information to the white house, that he probably had to tell him how he got that
information. but chris, this is all the more reason we need an independent collision. we have the bill in congress, evdemocrat on board and walter jones is the only republican, we need more to do that. >> heading to the target of the oversight and checking in with them and giving them information he just got. have you ever heard of that one? >> you can only wear one uniform on the field and he's trying both. >> thank you for joining us tonight. you're good at kwlocloak and da stuff. there's still some light out there. but the changing of cars, the losing of the staff people. the whole fact, i know enough about politics, i know much about spying, when you wait until 6:30 to explain, it's been all day. >> let's take what he's at face
value. it is possible for whistleblowers to provide information, that's his job. he can get information under the table. but, so, this was information that was favorable to the trump administration, these people worked for the trump administration. >> wait a minute, the people inside the white house knew he was coming in. >> there's that two. >> what kind of whistle blower, don't you scribble some notes and take them down the street. you meet in a bar, don't you? >> this wasn't edward snowden. i don't think it's secret. i got some hot stuff and then the president says, just give -- where did you get this stuff? here. i mean, where did you get this stuff? here. oh, you got it here, one of my people gave it to you, oh, eat. trump, said, no, feel satisfied. vindicated. >> in other words, the president -- the president didn't care it was whistle blower.
he didn't care. he said, thank you, basically. >> he could have ordered these reports to be brought to his desk at any moment. he could have taken off and said, what kind of position -- >> here is the working theory. donald trump wants to be exonerated for the stupid patrol quackery tweeting of his. to get coverage on it, he wants the congress to judge him and find him innocent. what he does is his people feed something to this guy nunes, he comes back and says i've discovered this information, therefore i found you innocent. it's a perfect, perfect play. >> why would -- >> a play that makes him look -- trump wanted somebody on the hill to clear him. >> laundering the information. >> laundering. >> laundering the information there quasi independent nunes, he's protecting and disclose this information had the trump people done this, they would have been under fire. >> he's still sitting on it. what he says is exonerating
information. by the way, just to clarify, it doesn't exonerate trump from anything. he said the former president, none of this information has information at all. he said, he was wiretapped by the former president, no evidence of any wiretapping. it was done during the campaign, all of this stuff that he's talking about tonight, nunes had to do with the transition period. it was enough to do a quick effort to make himself confusing to his supporters and to merk it enough possible to work it up. >> i'm a reporter. there's a legitimate issue here. were names improperly shared? was information collective? >> transition or campaign? >> campaign. >> it's even more -- >> well suppose it's information from fbi, everybody gets picked from a cabinet post. i had to go to one to peace
corps. you had to go to fbi fulfill. how can you not go through, what news is it that tiller sson and his name was mentioned in it, how can that be news. >> this is more like the nsa listening talk about trump and his people, nunes is saying i didn't see any intelligence value in this, we would be paying attention. the way he did it. >> you've got to explain that. by the way, if he's totally innocent, why doesn't he act it and why is he sneaking around and coming back and act like he hasn't been the night before. it looks like an escapade. you know your stuff. shifting the blame, the buck stops here on his desk for donald trump to get trump care as everyone else's fault. does the white house want to move on or point the nger. he's got summary of people he's mad at
the trump family, russian family before the revolution, ivanka trump are getting big jobs inside the west wing and that's new questions. remember i warned you about this, they go in the door a little bit, they get pass one law. it is like a royal family, they're doing everything. he's in charge of all foreign policy, ivanka is in charge of the federal government. he sneaks in to get one day and rushes back to brief the president what he got. did the white house could not be in on nunes' visits. monday night, this is "hardball."
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. now we're going to go for, which i've always liked. >> right now, we've gotten an agenda to continue to pursue. >> now we're going to move on because we have big ambitious plans to improve people's lives in this country. >> we're going to move on. we really are. >> this is no longer 100-day priority. the president does have things he wants to accomplish. >> we've got the budget, tax rer form. >> what do you do w? >> well, i think we move on to the next thing. >> who passes out these words, moving on. it's like it is, moving on. welcome back to "hardball." that was the official message from the white house, we're
moving on to something else. steve bannon told politico that there would be action, action, action coming from the white house this week. the president himself seems to be casting a wide net for blame on friday he founded democrats to offer zero votes. he went after the freedom caucus, the club for growth and heritage action. then there was the bizarre episode saturday when he told his followers to watch judge jeanine. well she opened her show with this attack line on paul ryan, the speaker of the house. >> paul ryan needs to step down as speaker of the house. the reason, he failed to deliver the votes on his health care bill. >> well, the white house insist that was just a coincidence. >> there was no preplanning here. the president --
>> why would he say watch her. >> because he loves judge jeanine and he wanted to do her favor. >> how do you talk like a puppet. he's doing ithere. clearly he wantedeople to watch call for the ouster, he said to do that specifically. meanwhile the "new york times" reported that he pushed for a vote in the house in order to identify the no's. he was seeking to compile. the times report, according to the times report, robert draper reported on a meeting with moderates, when congressman told the president he would vote "no" on the bill. trump angrily informed he was going to take them down. he's a tough. he talks like, you know, a mob figure, what do you make of that, i'm going to destroy you? do you like that kind of lingo, is that useful for the political
get togethers? chris, is that question to me or sus sus susan? >> it's all for you, sir. you were there. you were in that room while he said he was going to break you. i mean, that's pretty strong stuff. >> chris, just another day at the office for me, i'm afraid. a couple of things, look, i understand emotions get kind of high when we're having these high stake votes. the point is i met with the president on tuesday with a group of groups from the main stream partnership. and i thought that meeting went well and expressed my reservation and came back again on thursday when i made a decision i was going to oppose the bill along with another of the tuesday group and main stream. when i told the president the second and third time i was not going to take it quite as well. bottom line, i held my ground and the fact is that the bill, in my view, it was rushed. it wasn't ready. there was too much discussion about artificial timelines,
arbitrary deadlines all to improve the baseline when this debate should have been about making sure that we're really taking care of the people who are going to be effected by our decisions and their health care. that's where i was frustrated that, you know, this discussion -- health care reform shouldn't be seen as some speed bump. i talked a lot and john kasich was in town and talked with them. they had some serious proposals, there was tax credit piece that still wasn't right and there were other provisions that were very problematic for me. >> i think you can spend months and years and not come up with a way to square a circle. there's a real difference here. repeal, means get rid of. replace, means find fax similarsimila -- fac
fact -- repeal, means i don't like this whole thing. i don't think, replaced party or repeal party and all in the same bill is asking too much, that's what i think. >> you can point them for not being very competent or skillful in dealing with this. the fact is republican party is divided on the role of the vement. they're moderate republins like congressman dent, who see a role for government. >> traditional republicans. >> conservative republicans who want to shrink the government. libertarian and you do not have a speaker of the house who has yet figured out how to bring these republicans together. >> you sound like it's a mechanics issues. >> it's a substantive issue. he's populace -- >> he likes it. >> and his supporters do to. the supporter who is elected him want these programs to continue. >> let's take a look at this, since friday's health care debacle, republicans are explaining have looked to pass
blame. let's watch this. >> i think it's important to note, there's about 30 of these folks in the house freedom caucus. i call them the so-called freedom caucus. we're a very united party, but these folks can deny us the ability. >> mr. priebus was talking about don't let the good. when no one likes the legislation, you have to do it different. >> no matter what changes were made, the goal post kept getting moved, at the end of the day, no, was the answer. sometimes you're going to have to say yes. >> we promised to fully repeal and replace it with conservative solutions. the american health care act falls short on both of those and stopping it is a good thing. >> i think the president is disappointed in the number of people that he thought were loyal to him that weren't. >> u.s. congressman tweeted the following about the leader mark meadows betrayed trump and america and supported pelosi and dems to protect obama care. it's getting pretty rough,
coressn. is there going to be a resolution when you come to tax reform or infrastructure. i keep thinking where is it that the republican party speaks with one voice? is there an issue? >> chris, if we're going to do something big or take on tax reform, we'll have to do it on a bipartisan basis if we want a sustainable, durable reform. that was the mistake the democrats made in 2010. they jammed this thing through and muscled it through and we've been fighting about it ever since. we the republican shouldn't make the same mistake. there are some folks, the white house is making concessions to folks on the hard right and the 11th hour, as they did that, they were driving away people from the right. that's what essentially happened and why this thing came apart. >> you know what, susan, i keep thinking there's a majority in the house to do infrastructure, there's probably in the majority that has to do a real
immigration reform, comprehensive reform, the good kind. to get that you have to get a bill on the floor, the republican leadership will not put it up. i think democrats will probably all join they can find 30 or 40 republicans to split. the leadership is not going to let him go free. they're not going to get them join majority that's not republican. that's why we're going to get nothing done. >> there's no inclination, to cooperate where they might have seen overlap because it is the political advantage at the moment to elect. >> there are things they should do. is there any chance moderate reps like yourselves in the burbs will do something like break the rule, get control of the agenda, so you can get something on the floor, like immigration, like infrastructure, like good tax point? that's what happened with reagan, he broke the rule and
got control of things, is that feasible or is it all up to paul ryan? >> well, actually broken the rule before. you may have remember on fast track authority, about a year ago in the summertime, we -- the democrats, we needed democrats to help us pass a rule to give president obama fast track authority. so there is some precedent for it. you mentioned infrastructure, i believe that should be the next item of the agenda on the agenda, that's -- that issue lends itself better to bipartisan cooperation. i think we should do tax reform, i think that's a much harder issue. a lot of democrats want to take on infrastructure as do many republicans. >> i'll give you a trick, all of the opponents, find out the number of bridges below code, that's what i did when i worked with speaker o'neal and blew the other side out of the water. get the list of all the ngerous bridges and makehem defend dangerous bridges whe the school bus goover, got to play hard, thank you so much for
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>> thank you very much. it's my pleasure to welcome such incredible women, including my daughter. unbeliefble entrepreneurs and small business leaders to the white house. >> well reeling from a loss on friday, losing health care, he's turning to those he trusts the most. today the president asks if his son will have a new s.w.a.t. team that has been tasked with making the federal government run more efficiency. he's calling it white house government of american innovation. he enlisted his daughter and yet to be defined role at the white house in the west wing. according to politico in her unofficial role, she'll serve as the president's eyes and ears while providing broad-ranging advice, not just limited to
women's empowerment issues. ivanka's new position comes with a west wing office and top security clearance. it was only four months that president elect trump assured the public his family would not be receiving clearances. he tweeted, i'm not trying to get top level security clearance for my children, this was a typically false news story. nepotism is illegal, it's alive and well in the current administration. during the transition i warned our viewers against this becoming a big problem. >> but the law is the law. we need our president to obey it. we need to let him know, he has to. >> well for more i'm joined by white house reporter for politico broke this story of ivanka trump. >> i keep referring to the family that ruled russia. this guy giving us, you know, offering ivanka gets this, during the transition, kushner, his son-in-law, was in charge,
according to the testimony today, all foreign policy, not middle east where he had some interest, all of it. now he's been put in charge of over hauling the entire federal government. ivanka seems to have this roosevelt role anything she sees or hears she's going to report and act on with an official position. >> you know what's funny, we talked a lot about will donald trump change when he's presidency. will it become more presidential. the real thing, the presidency is becoming more donald trump. this is the way he always ran his company. he's doing the same set up in the white house. there's a lot more at stake here. >> the problem lies with this, this week the family went on a skiing vacation, i wish i had one this week, aspen, a great place to go, it was his sons and, of course, jared, while half of that traveling family unit.
>> at trump tower. >> is running trump's businesses and the other half is beginning to run the federal government and we're expected to believe they don't talk and we now find out they are talking about business. >> there was an article on forbes, that he does talk to his father and going to give him quarterly business reports about the company. ivanka's role creates another channel of connection between the company and the white house that there's never been a hard firewall between them. we've seen trump only go to trump branded properties since he got into the white house. when he's at maralago he's at his property. when he's been here, he goes to the trump hotel or his golf course, this is free advertising. >> royal family running the place -- >> i don't know. >> let me just say, you couldn't go to restaurt and hav eye contact with one of these guys not getting killed. these people are powerful. imagine getting into a fight
with jared and ivanka, they have enormous power. >> ivanka envision father's eyes and ears on the ground. that's a little scarey if you're regular who maybe wants to offer advice that criticizes the president, this is a person who loyalty is the number one the trump cares about. are they going to feel comfortable offering advice and that could mean that he's not getting advice that would benefit him and the country, potentially. i think that could be a concern more than a violation of the antinepotism laws which their lawyers can rule you can have advisers. >> any way, thank you. thanks for coming on. >> next, the white house ruling not be on that stunt last week by nunes, the round table is coming up to talk about the alley-oop, comes back and says guess what i got, mr. president,
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. the president needs to know that these intelligence reports are out there. i have a duty to tell him that. so administration don't think is aware of this i want to make sure i go over there and tell them what i know. you can ask me every single name that exist on the planet and i'm not going to tell you who our sources are. >> house intelligence committee chair nunes attempting to justify his decision to brief president trump on intelligence reports who he said shows members were incidentally surveilled. now we know he's actually got the information at the white house the night before and switched cars so his car -- so his staff didn't know where he was going and further calls his motives and behavior into question. u.s. congressmanes said tonight that he wasn't trying to sneak around or hide from anyone but he wouldn't answer who cleared him into the white
house. >> quite sure that people in the west wing had no idea i was there. i go over there a lot, often, for meetings and briefings to meet foreign dignitaries. the it was -- if i really wanted to, i could have snuck on to the grounds late at night and probably nobody would have seen me. but i wasn't trying to hide. >> sean spicer denied there was any deceptive coordination between nunes and the white house. >> it appears there was some degree of cooperation in this process that the white house granted chairman nunes making it not just an investigative action, but a cooperative one? >> we've asked both the house and senate and intelligence committee to undertake this review. so it is partially at our request that they're looking into this. number two, based on the public comments that he made to margaret's organization, he has said, from my understanding on
the record, that he did not meet with white house staff. so, again, i think you're trying to make something that he has himself, from what i've read, not actually been the case. >> now, former special assistant to president obama tells nbc news that it's just not possible the white house was unaware or uninvolved. late tonight ranking member of the house intelligence, adam ship, democrat, asked him to recuse himself of any conclusion between the trump campaign and russia during the last election. here he is just moments ago. >> i think it would be worthwhile for chairman to recuse himlf from any investigation involving either the trump campaign or the trump transition. he was a key member of the trump transition team. and i think that presents an inherent conflict. >> i'm joined right now by politico's and ayesha and fill
ruker. >> i mean -- first of all, let's go with the timing, why did he wait until 6:30 to explain he answered to this why he was snaeking, i don't care what he says, the night before, guess what, what i dug up, here and the trump know the whole thing, how can trump not know the whole thing. >> i think it raises more questions than answers. the more we hear, the more kind of confusing it gets. sean spicer said he didn't know anything. >> you think it's possible he was outside the loop. >> he said he didn't know anything. >> i don't know that they told them. >> it's unclear, where is this coming from. who cleared him in. >> what if you were president of the united states and you found out the guy getting all the information he just gave you, it makes you look like you're play ago game, pretending to learn all of this new information. guess what, the guy comes in, i've got alarms information, where did you get it, i got it here last night.
it doesn't make sense. >> it doesn't make sense, based on the facts of what we know, there's nothing actually that's wrong here. it's c it's he's trying to to be independent leader. he's already been a member of the trump transition team and here he is doing this activity at the white house and it makes a lot of people wonder whether he can be trusted. >> what about the changing of cars, i don't think in my whole life, i've had some interesting times, i don't think i ever switched surveillance or evade somebody chasing after me. it's like follow that cat. >> it's like a movie. it keeps us talking about it and in the news. it's like the russian investigation, like drip drip drip of information and we keep wanting to know more and it keeps it in the news. it's what we're talking about instead of the things he deeds to get done, the things he's following behind on. >> trump went friday politico
blamed the other party, i've been living through this all my life. i think it's boring. by sunday, he had to blame his own people, what did you think of that? he's going to fight with infrastructu infrastructure, tax reform, the same thing down the road is facing him. the red hot tea party people that don't believe in this government. >> loyalty is key to president trump. he values loyalty over everything. i have to believe that he's going to remember these people who he asked to vote for this and they didn't do it. >> you buy that bannon wanted to have a vote on friday, they didn't find out who their enemies were. >> they know who wasn't going to vote for them. i can't see them not remembering. >> president trump threatened in those negotiations that there would be retaliation or consequences if they didn't vote for this health care bill. he can't now makes nice, he has to retaliao keep his word. this is what he threatened he'll
dond i expect we'll see more of it. >> what would the tea party go alo along with that he would want? >> they're not going to do true immigration reform, they don't want to pass citizenship for 200 years. they're not going to do anything on infrastructure. anything they do on taxes would basically be cut taxes for the rich. that's the only vote you'll get from those 30 guys. >> right. >> what are they going to vote for. they're never going to be his friend. they don't want to do anything. >> what is it that's forcing them to go along with him, they're thinking about the own races back at home. he doesn't carry a lot of force or race. >> you know what he was for the election, 35. >> i mean, even before this happened, now that this has happened with the health care bill, he blinked. so, you know, he said they had to vote, they didn't vote.
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about this escapade, president finds himself in trouble for tweeting a lane brain charge that his predecessor wiretapped him during the campaign. when he can't back that up, he finds a member of the congress ready to come up and pick up some info that makes the president seems almost right and receives that, the president does with fanfare and self exonerating statement and the info that it somewhat clears him. what kind of character would agree to place such a supportive part, being escorted in, and then filled with exciting info, come heading back the next morning to share his alarm that the president was being mistreating. well senate democratic leader called for chairman nunes to step down. i think the larger question is whether this president will step up, the proper role of president, this whole story smacks of gimmick ri. skipped the tweeting and i'll
let you skip the masquerade. not tweeting means not having to say i'm sorry. all with chris hayes starts right now. that's it for "hardball." tonight on "all in." it's not just about making deals, a white house in crisis now calling its own health care bill a bad one. it's knowing when to walk away and knowing when there's a bad deal. >> tonight the threats, recrimination and blame game inside oval office. >> paul ryan needs to step down. >> then, the mysterious midnight run of nunes. >> if i really wanted to, i could have snuck on to the grounds late at night and probably nobody would have seen me. i wasn't trying to hide. >> the white house today struggling to explain why the house intel chair was visiting the night before he briefed the president. >> speaker ryan should replace chairman nunes. plus the president'