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sentence in the past. >> it is a death sentence and a horrible way to die and we are -- we are really, really hopeful with this new drug that is going into human trials this year. >> fantastic. >> so exciting. >> ann romney, it's so great to see you again. >> thank you. >> you look beautiful. the paperback edition of ann's book "in this together" is out today. all the proceeds are going to the ann romney center for neurologic diseases. ann, thank you so much. by the way, bernie sanders is on the show tomorrow, so tune in to "morning joe" tomorrow. that does it for us for now. craig melvin picks up the coverage right now. >> hey there, mika, joe. craig melvin in for stephanie ruhle. step aside, growing calls for the republican leading the investigation. >> russia to recuse himself. >> i think it would be best if he would step aside. >> at issue, a secret meeting at the white house a day before his bombshell that the trump team may have been spied on. >> i'm sure that the democrats do want me to quit because they know that i'm quite effective.
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>> and breaking overnight, a massive rollback of president obama's climate change initiatives. president trump set to sign the executive order in a few hours. one group is calling it the biggest attack on climate action in u.s. history. and supreme showdown, democrats signaling they will try to take it to the brink and filibuster kneel gorsuch. >> this will be the first successful filibuster against a supreme court nominee in american history. he deserves a fair up or down vote. >> but we start today with the white house investigation sounding more and more like the backdrop to a cold war spy novel. i have a great panel with me to break it all down in just a few moments. first, let's break down all the new details that have come out on this story. the man in the middle, california, republican, devin nunez, currently leading the investigation into ties between russia and the trump campaign.
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on the evening of march 21st, last tuesday, we now know that he had a meeting at the white house, technically on the white house grounds, where he says a source showed him, quote, dozens of classified intelligence reports. nunez says that they show the trump aides had been surveyed by u.s. -- surveilled by u.s. intelligence. the next day he delivered that bombshell to the president and to the press. >> i recently confirmed that on numerous occasion, the intelligence community incidentally collected information about u.s. citizens involved in the trump transition. >> so then on sunday night, news of that secret meeting broke, including some of the cloak and dagger details "the washington post" reporting that, quote, nunez had been on his way to an event but after taking a brief phone call, he swapped cars. slipped away from his staff. nunez told bloomberg that he picked the white house grounds because it was a convenient, secure location, and added, that his source was an intelligence official.
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>> i needed a place that i could actually go and find this information and review it. there was no sneaking around. i walked on to the grounds, said hi to people. >> then monday afternoon the white house was asked whether nunez could have gotten his information from a source inside the administration. white house spokesman sean spicer wouldn't rule it out. >> i can't say 100% that i know anything what he briefed him on. >> so it's possible? as far as you know right now. >> anything -- i mean -- anything is possible. >> then by monday night nunez's democratic counterpart on the intelligence committee said he must recuse himself. >> i think it would be in the best interest of the chairman to step aside, at least as far as this investigation is kirnds. >> let's bring in casey hunt on capitol hill with the latest. they've now canceled all house intelligence meetings for the week. what do we know is behind that? >> they have, craig.
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we're trying to figures out exactly why some of these -- most of them are regularly scheduled meetings, they have them every week, the one that was supposed to have happened yesterday is known as the hot spot meeting. we know that they had asked director comey, and nsa director rogers to come in and talk to the committee on tuesday. apparently their schedules didn't allow it, so that's going to be postponed. so are all the other meetings this week. the reality is pressure has been increasing on the chairman devin nunez in the wake of all of this to take a step back from the russia investigation. actually just caught up with him here in the basement of the capitol on his way into the house gop conference meeting. he did say that he doesn't plan to recuse himself from the investigation. i also spoke with congressman peter king, a member of the intelligence committee, he said he thinks that this is not anything that anyone should be worried about. he used the same analogy that trey gowdy said, it doesn't matter if it was the white house or the house of pancakes, it's
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not relevant to whether or not dev vi devin nunez is able to conduct a fair and balanced investigation separate from the white house's interests. democrats disagree. here's a member of the committee on "morning joe" earlier today. >> this was done because the white house wanted it to be done and this is what a coverup to a crime looks like. we are watching it play out right now. >> so clearly you have had democrat after democrat come out call on devin nunez to recuse himself, but at this point, it's not clear exactly how he will continue as chairman or if he will continue to have the credibility of his colleagues to the point that pressure might increase enough for him to step aside or recuse himself. the house speaker paul ryan is the one that would have to make that decision or if he made that request. they still say they have full faith and confidence in mr. nunez. >> casey hunt, clearly in the bowels of congress for us this
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morning. there is a pipe just a few inches from your head there. casey, do be careful, for us. let's bring in the panel here. >> i'll look out for it. >> john nixon a cia analyst for more than a decade his book "debriefing the president the interrogation of saddam hussein" and with me mike, with "slate" and msnbc political analyst and "time" columnist alicia jordan. thanks for being with us on this tuesday morning. john, can you shed some light on this trip to the white house? again, nunez says this was no big deal, just wanted a secure spot to see these documents, so he picked 1600 pennsylvania avenue. does that seem reasonable to you? >> no. it seems a little unreasonable. it seems a little bit out of protocol. if a member of congress wants to look at sensitive compartmented information which is what i think the chairman was going to look at, you know, all he needs to do is walk across the street in his house office building to
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skiff, an acronym for sensitive compartmented information facility in the capitol building. what's unusual about this is usually the staffer who has the information, will bring it to the chairman, the chairman usually doesn't go to the staffer. so i don't know what was going on. i do know that this is something that, you know, congress often gets this -- is able to get this information, but it just seems to me that there were a lot of boundaries that were kind of broken in this process. >> john, there's at least one or two sciffs on the hill as i understand it and the congressman was asked about why he didn't use one of those. his response the documents had not been made available to members of congress so that was another reason he decided he would pour over these things on the white house grounds. does that not jive? >> you know, congress can look at anything they want to look at. now there may have been a
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problem in terms of getting this -- first of all if there was not an electronic version of whatever report he was looking at, then that would require a hard copy to be delivered, but that is -- it's not like it's impossible. all someone has to do is put it in a lock bag and they can bring it to the member and meet in a secure facility. so again, this is -- i'm really wondering what congressman nunez is talking about. >> lisa, i want to read part of this "washington post" report about these intelligence reports. this is just part of it. it reads in part, quote, in reality nunez appeared to be referring to legitimate intelligence operations against foreign individuals who were either in contact with trump associates or mentioned them in conversations that were monitored as part of routine u.s. surveillance. nunez reiterated monday that he has seen no evidence of illegality. why then all the secrecy? >> i think that congressman nunez is very compromised right
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now, and that he -- you know, is facing opposition even among republicans who are murmuring why is he the head of this committee anyway. he was appointed by john boehner, it's essentially a patronage position to someone who does a lot of fund-raising. he's a former dairy farmer. people are questioning why is he qualified to be in this important position when he was a member of the trump transition and now seems completely unethical and compromised. >> not just a member of the transition, at one point early in the campaign, he was one of the handful of folks briefing this administration on matters of intelligence and also at one point, if i'm not mistaken, admitted to "the washington post" or said at least, to "the washington post" he was fielding phone calls from foreign leaders who were trying to get in touch with general flynn. >> and maybe now if he was briefing the trump administration, the trump administration is briefing him. maybe he had to go to the white house, the person within the administration gave him the call
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and said meet at the white house, that's where i am now. we don't know. i do think we have to take the 100 foot view, which is, this is a weird and intriguing process. i would love to know all the details of it. but the thing is, it led to this statement which was muddying the waters about u.s. persons picked up on incidental contact. now, i think he may have mentioned that could mean that they talked to a member of the trump administration, but as that "washington post" report said it could mean their names were mentioned. >> right. >> that's all we could be talking about, that a russian, cut out, a spy, mentions the name of the trump administration, right. how does that add up to -- >> and ironically distribution. >> the trump administration being off the hook. >> congressman nunez has never opposed blanket surveillance where this kind of collection, he's always been a strong supporter of hard core surveillance. >> it's curious to me the guy continues to do tv interviews, all over the news last night, continuing to talk about it. >> and when he takes questions he can't stop.
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you know. >> there's a lot of that in washington these days. >> it's odd. >> let's turn here for a moment here, this could be a seismic shift in how this country deals with climate change. president trump set to sign an executive order today that would overturn president obama's efforts, much of those efforts, to address global warming. a senior administration official telling nbc news the order will, quote, serve the twin goals of protecting the environment, while also moving forward with energy production in the united states. nbc's kristen welker is stationed at the white house for us on this tuesday morning. what exactly do we know about what this executive order will do, kristen? >> it is a seismic shift, craig. that's the right way to cast this. president trump is calling for a couple of things here today when he signs this executive order. one, a review of president obama's plans to tackle climate change. he's also calling to lift the
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moratorium on coal and he wants to identify regulations that may be prohibiting domestic energy production. so really, an attempt to scale back, craig, some of these things that have limited coal production. now to put this into context, remember he campaigned on this issue. he said he's going to bring back jobs to coal country. so he has a lot of support there. he can argue he's fulfilling a campaign promise. there are about 75,000 coal jobs in the u.s., that's been on the decline for years, and the reality, craig, is that more states, more countries, are turning to renewables. so it's not clear what the future of coal will be, but what is clear, this president is reversing his predecessor on this key issue. remember, president obama, talked about clean energy and talked about tackling climate change as a key part of national security. on the campaign trail, president trump said, climate change was a hoax. these are two very different views, two very different ways of approaching what is a
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critical issue for this country. >> we are seeing a manifestation of that world view as well. kristen welker at the white house, thank you. mike and leigh standing by. this is something that president obama said the day that he signed the clean power plant. here it is. >> i am convinced that no challenge poses a greater threat to our future and future generations than a changing climate. >> it would seem as if this president, this administration, doesn't believe that to be true. >> yes. and this shows a pitfall of democracy. on the one hand donald trump got elected promising essentially to do this and he should be allowed to implement his agenda. on the other hand the people hurt by a rule like this, all of us, it's futuristic, it's defuse. the people who perceive these new trump administration dictates to be helping them, the coal miners, they feel it's so acutely, they'll vote for it. they're so motivated by it. so the benefits of trying to
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save the environment, maybe they help all of us in the future in 100 years, the costs of it or what the coal miners perceive as the cost, that drives them. >> at least, i have yet to hear from a reasonably intelligent person who has said that coal jobs are coming back. this is just halftime for coal. coal is the future. why continue to prey upon these folks in west virginia? not just west virginia. we always talk about coal in west virginia. pennsylvania as well. >> it's low hanging political fruit. it appeals at the time that their names are on the ballot and so, of course, they're going to, you know, pledge to be supporters of coal. it does a disservice to constituents when politicians are that backwards thinking that they're still allowing that myth to preserve instead of looking forward into the future into what it actually is going to take for there to be a sustainable economy in these hard-hit areas. >> stick around. john, thank you, john nixon for us in d.c., a big thanks to you.
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and kristen welker always good to see you as well. thanks friend. >> up next, should he go. a key senator weighs in on the man leading the investigation into russian meddling. what he says needs to happen. there's senator right there. should the guest list at mar-a-lago be made public? the new push from democrats to do just that. can i get some help. he s head. ♪ i'm so happy. ♪ whatever they went through, they went through together. welcome guys. life well planned. see what a raymond james financial advisor can do for you.
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. several democrats now calling on republican
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intelligence committee chairman devin nunez to lee cause himself from the russian investigation or step down altogether. i want to bring in maryland democratic senator ben card, member of the foreign relations committee. always good to see you. thanks for your time this morning, sir. let's start with the news of the day, do you believe nunez should recuse himself from the investigation or resign as chairman altogether even? >> well, chairman nunez's conduct is bizarre. he goes to the white house to get information that should have been made available to him in the capitol. then he has a press release or a conference and then briefs the president of the united states before talking to the ranking member of his committee or the members of that committee. that's not what a chairman does in an investigation. so no, he's lost all credibility. he needs to step down. it shows that it's going to be extremely difficult for congress to do its own bipartisan, nonpartisan investigation of what russia was doing in the united states and the contact to the trump administration.
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we need to have an independent commission look at this, but certainly the chairman has lost his credibility as chair of that committee. >> you mentioned an independent investigation. this what is your democratic colleague, mark warner, senator from virginia, this is what he said on msnbc last night. take a listen. >> now, the only challenge i have with an independent commission is, you would have to pass a law that would take months, you would have to have the president sign it, and then my fear would be, both sides would try to put their most partisan members on that independent commission. partisan outsiders. and that would push off this investigation for maybe close to a year. >> what do you make of that assessment, senator? >> well, first of all, we should have done that long before now. we can get this done. we need to get this done. the american people want an independent investigation. we are talking about nonpartisan states persons who could do this type of investigation for the credibility of the american people with broad jurisdiction. it doesn't replace the needs for
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congress to do its own independent internal investigations. that needs to be done. intelligence committee has a responsibility here. but as we did after our attack on 9/11 we set up an independent commission and need to do that again. >> there was bipartisan interest in that, senator. i mean there were -- i mean, safe to say, that pretty much everyone on the hill thought that was a good idea. also, safe to say, this time around, you would be hard pressed to find a whole heck of a lot of folks on the other side of the aisle that would think a bipartisan commission in this instance would be a good idea. >> i'm not sure about that. i do think there are a lot of republicans who have great concern about what russia was doing here in the united states. they knew -- they know we need to have an independent investigation. we've heard them say that publicly and heard them say it in our conversations. russia is trying to affect our system of government. we've got to take steps to protect this country. and yes, they did make contact to the trump administration. we need to know that. it's not about this president.
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it's about how we protect america from the -- from what russia's intentions are. we know they're now very actively engaged in europe and those elexz. so we got to protect america. i think there are democrats and republicans that agree on that, and the best way to get to that is through an independent commission. >> you are on the foreign relations committee. congressman nunez said something last night that caught folks by surprise, he said, quote, it's pretty common for members of congress to go to the white house grounds to view classified information. he said that it happens maybe once a week. is that true? >> no, at least in my case i've never gone to the white house and i've gotten a lot of information from the executive branch in a classified setting here on capitol hill. we have several locations that we go to where the information is brought to us in a closed, classified setting, we get a chance to review it, it's then taken back under the custody of the executive branch.
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so no, the traditional way that this is done, is through that information being made available to us here on capitol hill. >> before i let you go, one quick question here, yes or no, on judge gorsuch? >> i'm going to make an announcement a little later today. i think i better follow the protocol. >> why wait? you've got a national television audience, yea or ney? you can still send out your press release, senator. >> we'll have one out later today. >> give us a hint. >> you'll have a release out later today on this issue. >> you're no fun. senator cardin from maryland, we can expect something later today. thank you. >> up next, the opening bell, about six minutes from now, 6:30 from now roughly. what will we see on wall street today. will it be another down day. president trump expected to sign executive orders today sweeping away obama-era climate policies in the name of more jobs. but could clean energy actually be better for the economy?
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are you going to recuse yourself from this investigation, sir? >> excuse me. >> is that a no?
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>> that was casey hunt there asking a question and a follow-up question. craig melvin in for stephanie ruhle. just a few moments ago talking to chairman devin nunez that leads off our primer. congressman nunez has canceled all house intelligence committee meetings this week amidst renewed calls for nunez to recuse himself after the revelations he visited white house grounds to look at documents president trump claims vindicated his wiretap claim. attorney general jeff sessions called for an end to so-called sanctuary cities monday, threatening they could lose federal funding if they do not cooperate with immigration authorities. a massive storm injured one person and damaged a number of houses and cars overnight across the south. 15 million people remain at risk for large hail, damaging winds, and tornadoes through thursday. and the oakland raiders are going to sin city. nfl owners approved that move to las vegas by a vote of 31-1. the lone no vote, coming from
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miami, for some reason. the raiders will be staying in oakland until their $1.9 billion stadium is finished. and make it 111 in a row. the uconn women's basketball team crushed oregon by 38 on their way to their tenth consecutive final four. we are keeping a very close eye on the market opening this morning after the dow posted an eight-session losing streak monday, that's the longest losing streak by the way, since 2011. the market posted record gains when donald trump first took office. so what's behind these recent losses? for that we turn to cnbc's dominic chu. what's going on, dominic? what can we attribute these losses to? >> craig, first of all we know that markets take all kinds of variables and factors when they set price when the indices goes up or down. a lot of expert says sentiments
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about president trump and his ability to push through agenda items on his docket is a big reason why the markets are behaving the way they do. the contention, the stock market is 2% away from record high levels. we have seen a nice rally in stocks. the recent weakness, not a sell-off by any means, not panic, the recent weakness has been attributed to this idea that trump may not have as easy of a time pushing through agenda items. that's why you're seeing stocks poised for fractional losses. >> as we were having our conversation the market just opened there. it's been open for roughly 30 seconds. looks like it's down a bit. we're going to get some sort of executive order on climate change in just a few hours, dominic. at this point, any indication how that announcement could affect the markets? >> yeah. i mean first of all, the markets have been at least putting a lot of stake and a lot of attention in this trump trade, trump rally, so to speak, because of that you've seen a lot of stocks
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very much focused on over the course of the past few months, talking about names like infrastructure related companies, the bridge and iron workers out there trying to build bridges, steel companies, asphalt, concrete. energy also a focus as well if the intention is to, perhaps, loosen restrictions on the coal industry or promote more fossil fuel production in the united states, we're going to be watching for stocks tied to that. big energy companies, also companies engaged in the business of transporting coal, fuel, that sort of thing. so pipeline operators will be a big focus as well. that's going to be a big deal. >> we will do a deep dive into climate change in two or three minutes. before i let you go, the president once again using social media this morning saying, quote, big announcement by 4:00 today. major investment to be made in three michigan plants. car companies coming back to u.s. jobs jobs jobs! what's the truth here is? is this another instance where jobs have been announced and the
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administration is taking credit or are these new jobs and will they be able to turn around the losses we've seen? >> that's going to be a big question. the indications are this may not be a massive announcement but we will know more around 10:00 a.m., later on eastern time this morning, there's an announcement slated for later on today. the idea here ford may be looking to perhaps reinvest a little more in some of its existing plants. whether that creates jobs or jobs not previously announced that remains to be seen. we will get a lot more details later on this morning. with the auto industry certainly a target for president trump, both in his election, since the inauguration and everything else with regard to jobs, it will be curious to see whether the big three automakers, in this case ford in particular, will make some kind of a sweeping announcement. the indications right now from a lot of the experts we talk to, we're not going to see a massive announcement from ford. >> okay. dominic chu, cnbc, always good to have you. thank you, sir. let's turn back to climate change. we'll talk a little bit about how this climate change order might affect the markets, but let's get a reality check on how it is going to affect the rest
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of america. for that i'm joined by msnbc's cal perry. the president has been focused on coal for some time now. what do we know about how much our country actually relies on coal? >> we don't rely on coal anymore. in fact, a week ago, i want to read you a quote in ohio, they're shutting down two coal plants and the quote from the company, it has become clear without significant changes in market conditions the plants will not be economically viable. >> a coal company acknowledging coal is dieing. >> a week ago. shutting down two plants. >> one of the market conditions we use gas. gas is cheap. natural gas is also cheap. we're looking now at coal being the third, the number three, energy source in this country. that hasn't always been true. used to be number one. >> to be clear again, it's not as if coal is trending up, coal is trending down. >> totally down. almost flatlining. you talked in your a block about west virginia. we always talk about west virginia. i pulled montana, wyoming. a place we mine for a lot of
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coal. it's dropped almost to zero. all this before -- >> let's keep that up. >> today's executive order. >> this is 340. >> a lot of this is going to fluctuate with gas prices. >> right. gas prices. >> got you. >> it's dropped way off and doesn't account for jobs either. we're looking at 70,000 jobs via coal, compared to over 650,000 from renewable energy. so it is low hanging political fruit as one of your guests earlier -- >> this assessment that, you know, he's going to be bringing coal jobs back to places like west virginia -- >> it's not accurate. the idea that what's bad for the environment is good for the economy, or vice versa, doesn't make a lot of sense, because technology plays a huge part in this. you can have more coal plants and they can be run by machines as we talk with electric cameras around us. >> i know. don't say that too loudly. folks get very upset. thank you, cal. >> moments ago casey hunt, she spent some time talking to chairman devin nunez. does chairman nunez need to
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meddling in the presidential election. they believe his latest actions are clouding the investigation. is nunez making it hard for fellow republicans to claim that they are impartial? i'm joined now by former republican congressman of illinois, joe walsh, who is now, of course, a very popular nationally syndicated radio talk show host. joe, always good to have you. thanks for being with me. first off should nunez recuse himself? >> hey, craig, great to be with you. i said a week ago he should have recused himself. i mean, forget this latest thing. imagine look at what happened last week. he comes up with this bombshell information, nunez does, and the first thing he does, is go to the white house. the minute he decided last week to visit president trump and give president trump this bombshell information, i said right in there he ought to recuse himself. trump is a potential subject in this investigation. i think there's real uncomfort,
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discomfort, craig, among republicans right now. i think nunez is a dead man walking. >> so you say he should step down. do you think he will? >> i think the pressure is going to grow and i think he's going to have to. i think you're going to see, based on some of the conversations i've had privately with republicans up there, i think you're going to see more and more republicans coming out publicly. his job is to be impartial. craig, you know, that's one of the very few committees in congress that's sort of bipartisan, nonpartisan. his whole job is to pursue the truth. again, last week, when his first move was to go to trump, with his bombshell information, that right then and there disqualified him. >> former vice president dick cheney, has weighed in on russian meddling in the presidential election. this what is he said yesterday. take a listen. >> there was a very serious effort made by mr. putin and his
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government and his organization to interfere in major ways with our basic fundamental democratic processes. in some quarters that would be considered an act of war. >> how about your quarters? is that an act of war? >> absolutely it is, craig. see, this is what makes me so sad. we've been so distracted by so many other issues, of the leaking, the midnight meetings, and all of this, we are now, what, three or four months into what is the central issue, russia screwed with our election. that's not republican, that's not democrat. that should pist off all americans and it's unfortunate because again, as a trump supporter, i'll say this, president trump and too many people on his team have done way too much to distract us from that central issue. russia screwed with our election, that should anger everybody. >> let's talk about the president's agenda coming off
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that health care defeat. word now that he wants to, perhaps, consider putting forward some sort of tax reform bill and infrastructure and advancing those things simultaneously. is that a smart move? >> big mistake. big mistake, craig. this is what washington always does. they pile bills on top of bills and they create these big christmas tree bills. look, the infrastructure thing is a big deal. that should be voted on on its own. look, craig, you know, tax reform is a huge heavy lift that should be voted on on its own. my fear again is, donald trump is taking his anger out on my fellow colleagues, the freedom caucus. i think he's still angry about what happened last week -- well, you can understand why he might be. >> yeah, but he's picking the wrong group of people. think about this, craig, the freedom caucus, my buddies are getting a bum wrap.
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you know and i know moderate republicans hated that bill, scared to death to have to vote yes for that bill. but paul ryan and donald trump, everybody pointing at the freedom caucus because they're a much easier target to go after. trump is giving signals he wants to work with democrats even on health care reform. >> speaking of the freedom caucus, i'm glad you brought that up, at this point any idea whether your homeboys in the caucus will vote to raise the debt ceiling? >> i cannot imagine -- that's going to be a fight, craig. that's going to be another fight. and we're only a month away from this. >> if they don't raise it, and the government shuts down, you've got a republican president, republican senator, republican house, one would assume that blame would fall at the feet of the republicans? >> well, on that issue, craig, on that issue, i can guarantee you the freedom caucus will probably be alone in making sure that we don't just blow by another limit. look, they are the conscious of the republican party.
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i know they are a thorn in a lot of people's sides. thank god for what they did this past week. they did the country a huge favor. craig, nobody liked that health care bill, nobody liked it. >> the president liked it, joe walsh. he said he did. house speaker paul ryan. >> he didn't know what was in it. president trump didn't know what was in the thing. >> congressman joe walsh, we should note, a trump supporter. congressman, always good to have you, sir. thank you. >> thank you, sir. coming up more democrats joining the call to filibuster the nomination of judge gorsuch. is this the nominee to have them trigger the nuclear option. should president trump be forced to reveal who visits mar-a-lago when he is there? it's time for the your business entrepreneur of the week. niela ellis brown inherited a secret recipe for her tea. she bottles her grandfather's caribbean drink and trying to
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the senate votes for judge neil gorsuch's supreme court nomination will now be held april 3rd after democrats pushed for a one week delay. at least 19 democrats say they are voting no and have promised to filibuster. but, republicans have the votes to choose the so-called nuclear option, which allows gorsuch's nomination to proceed with a simple majority and with a vote of 51, instead of 60.
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the panel is back. are democrats here delaying the inevitable? is neil gorsuch, he's going to become a supreme court justice? >> i think they are. if you hear a calculation if we keep our powder dry perhaps we can use the filibuster effectively if there's another supreme court nomination. remember "let's make a deal" and the guy between curtain one and curtain two and i will take curtain one and it's a donkey and curtain two is a worse donkey. that could be the situation here. a filibuster won't hold up either way why not use it now and at least make a statement. appeal to the base, show you have some spine. >> this is senator chris koonce yesterday, a member of the judiciary committee, said on "morning joe" when asked if he thinks republicans will use the so-called nuclear option. here it is. >> almost certainly. and i think this is tragic. and in talking to friends on both sides of the aisle we've got a lot of senators concerned about where we're headed.
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there's republicans still very mad at us over the 2013 change to the filibuster rule, we're mad at them about shutting down the government. they're mad at us about gorsuch. we're not headed in a good correction. >> koonce didn't mention mayor garland there but a lot of folks mad about that as well. do you agree using debacle. and i think they need to do whatever it takes to get neil gorsuch confirmed and i think it's a huge mistake for the democrats to use this as their big battle and to use the filibuster just because, you know, yes, that might play well with the base but it doesn't play well with the voters they need to pull back into the democratic party. you can make the argument that is more of a risk and they're just moving their eye off of the ball by pursuing this as a big call.
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inaptly named. if they go back, what about rules, reconciliation. maybe all bets are off. i don't think -- strategically, i think that democrats have a bad hand. i totally agree that conservatives absolutely want him in and gorsuch could be the only lasting positive impact or lasting positive effect of the trump administration. but i do think it's really -- i don't think that swing voters will remember in three years and ten months or even at the mid-terms. i do think a mobilized base is at least as important as people who are, you know, able to be swung and probably voting on jobs and more material issues. >> you know, a lot of democrat voters are frustrated that congress seems to be not getting
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anything done, so this is yet another example of obstruction which, while republicans may be rewarded for that, democrats usually aren't. >> garland was obstruction too. this would be the case. i don't think voters vote on process. it's arcane. >> this report came up a couple of hours ago reporting the g.a.o. government accountability office, taking up a request from democrats to review costs associated with president trump's stays at mar-a-lago. these are some of the areas they're looking to include. measures used to protect classified information, security screening for mar-a-lago visitors and guests, and what measures the secret service and defense department have taken to ensure that the fees that they are charged for mar-a-lago trips are, quote, fair and reasonable. any reason to believe that anything substantial could come out of this, or is this just democrats fishing? >> i think neither. i think that it's a proper
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question. i have no idea what will come. i think his disclosure has been bad, his ethics have been bad. if there is nothing to hide, put it out there, and then you'll assuage the fears of people who would criticize trump. >> when i am a fiscal conservative like a lot of republicans, the cost of these trips, it's been staggering. why can't president trump just go to camp david. plenty of people are asking. instead of putting money into essentially his family's own pockets by patronizing his own establishments. >> there are probably also real and legitimate questions about precisely who is there when he is there. we saw the image of president trump dining with shinzo abe in plain view. >> especially since the membership fees doubled to $200,000 from $100,000 since trump won the presidency. >> the trump effect. 200 grand. >> yes. >> are we helping with brandon by saying that? the trump effect. >> i don't know. i'll stop there. up next, speaker paul ryan
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one last word with mike pesica and elise jordan. the panel that stuck around diligently for us on this
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tuesday morning. college basketball. you guys are huge fans. national championship monday night. who are we predicting is in the game and who are we predicting wins it. you were a sports guy. >> yes. i just hope south carolina makes it. >> my man! >> i love the player stormwell. he is awesome. >> it would be nice. >> women's basketball i am rooting for mississippi state clearly. >> that game against baylor was the best men or women's game in the tournament. >> have to be honest with you. i am from south carolina, pulling for the gamecocks in the men's tournament and also in the women's tournament. i wonder if we are at the point where any women's basketball team other an uconn winning would be good for women's basketball. >> i think so. i think it's always good to have the spoiler effect and to not not just one huge powerhouse but have other challenges especially from all over the country, come in and divide a conquer.
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>> when ucla was winning for the men nobody said that was bad for basketball. but uconn deserves it. >> the patriots of women's basketball. >> they're more dominant than the patriots. >> mike and elise. great to have you. i'll see you back here at 1:00 eastern. right now, though, hallie jackson is in the house. what's up? >> not much. that's not true. a ton is up on this tuesday. thank you, craig and thank you you all for joining us. to capitol hill where house speaker paul ryan is taking questions any minute. a lot of the questions focus on the calls from democrats demanding congressman devin nunes step down. not that he will. he was pretty defiant today. >> are you going to recuse yourself from this investigation, sir? >> excuse me. >> is that a no? >> we'll find out in a minute.
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still more questions and answers for the chair of the intelligence committee. who cleared him for the secret source committee? we expect to see president trump signing a big executive order to undo a bunch of environmental regulations. he is looking to get the spotlight back on his agenda. kasie hunt is there on capitol hill. peter alexander at the white house. on set, npr white house correspondent tamara keith. do we expect anything with devin nunes to change in a couple of minutes? >> we don't expect it will change. this has been a statement the speaker has put out for the last week or so whenever asked about the house intelligence committee chairman. it's not really something that ryan has been particularly eager to get involved in. the pressure is mounting

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